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Why did non living things turn into living things?

>> No.2718664

SCIENCE

>> No.2718675

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6QYDdgP9eg&feature=feedf

>> No.2718686

CHANCE.

>> No.2718692

>>2718658
God, basically

>> No.2718687
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2718687

fucking miracles.

>> No.2718702

According to Ben Stein's Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed about why evolution was wrong, it was made by Lightning and Water.

>> No.2718703

Because God needed action figures to entertain himself

>> No.2718705

Because there are no non-living things. Even atoms are alive, just of a different type of life. See, that's evolution.

>> No.2718707

>>2718658

Gravity.

>> No.2718714

Determinism

>> No.2718724
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2718724

>>2718702
"lightning striking a mud puddle"

fucking ignorant jewwy ben stein..i hate his fucking face almost as much as his fucking droning voice..

>> No.2718731

Billions of years ago, chemical elements that were necessary to life were present on earth and formed very simple and microbial life forms. From there, life took off and evolved.

>> No.2718732

Hope

>> No.2718759

it didn't, this solar system is your personal delusion. your own brain created it because you are in a coma.
nothing that happens here is real.

hope you get well soon.
love Dad.

>> No.2718770

The better question is, are you truly alive if you have no recollection of being alive at the time?

Inb4 Mindfuck.

>> No.2718772

>>2718707
>Gravity.

Indeed, plus consciousness.

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>>2718759

>> No.2718791

what was that theory that astronaut poo might float of somewhere and start life some where new?

>> No.2718809
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2718809

We have souls
I'm right and you're wrong
I laid the foundation for calculus and invented cartesian products bitches
Go on and play with your particle accelerators and shit I don't give a fuck

>> No.2718827

>>2718809
I believe you Mr. Descartes

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peanut butter

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>>2718809
Yeah, and you also believed the defining trait of humanity is language, because animals obviously don't communicate.

>> No.2718872

chemistry.

>> No.2718875

As soon as people let go of "life" and just rank things in terms of complexity, things will make more sense.

Nothing is "alive". We're only "alive" relative to how alive we think we are. We're just a pile of chemicals that's programmed to think it can think.

>> No.2718884

>>2718675

there goes my entire day

>> No.2718904

>>2718884
Not so bad. Everybody is like that, too. It didn't suddenly ruin your life, did it?

>> No.2718910

>>2718791
Panspermia. I really don't get it, I mean, even if life came from another place it still doesn't explain how it started.

>> No.2718916

Life is an illusion, along with free will and your sense of self.

We are as "alive" as everything else in the universe.

>> No.2718919

>>2718916
>>We are as "alive" as everything else in the universe.

herp derp
lrn2biology

>> No.2718931

>>2718919
>arbitrary labels invented by humans

yes, fuck off

>> No.2718978

My theory is that given some conditions which can allow that, the laws of physics (be they quantum or more) will eventually lead to more complex organic compounds and eventually to life. When those conditions are absent, they produce something else, but not life.

>> No.2719001

>>2718978

In the end it's just us calling different sets of chemical reactions different names.

Fundamentally we're the same as the ground we walk on, there's just more different chemicals in us.

>> No.2719016

String theory - vibrating LightMatter creates random chemical reactions forming quarks then atoms, cells, jizm

>> No.2719040

>>2718919
he's sort of right. Living things are just systems. Applying the words living and not living to basic particles and atoms that make up these systems doesnt really make sense. Ie its not the atoms or molecules that have changed, its they way they are arranged into the self replicating systems that makes the system alive.

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>>2718658

>> No.2719101

A living thing would be defined as something with a metabolism. 'Why' is a philosophical question.

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2719172

Entropy

>> No.2719186

well op, let me blow your mind.
You know how kids think everything is alive, well, that's basically right:
THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LIVING AND INANIMATE THINGS.

Theres no way to differentiate a human being from a deterministic, mechanical machine.
Did I hear somebody say free will? Define free will. Decisions are either completely deterministic or random, there's no other option.
If they are deterministic than there's no difference between us and a computer. If randomness exists, then it affects inanimate objects too.
If your car fails at a random, unpredictable moment, does it mean your car is alive?

We're all just things, 'living' things are just things that can do more stuff and can move. The question still remains, how did rocks and liquids turn into moving and acting things? I cant answer that. Not yet. There's a science that studies that, don't remember the english name, tho.

>> No.2719187

>>2719101
>>2719101
What qualifies as a metabolism?

Mineral deposits (crystals, for example) cannibalize surrounding minerals and use them for their own purposes in ways eerily similar to digestion. Take it from a geology minor, metabolism is the wrong definition of life.

>> No.2719194

^^ ]

>> No.2719298

Biochemfag here, this is Bio 101.

1. Earth was fire, lava, ash and lightning or some
shit like that.

2. Meteors start hitting Earth giving Carbon to
Earth.

3. Lightning, which we know are electrons begin
helping with reactions such as the formation of
Methane and other organic chemicals.

4. These organic chemicals generally begin to
have more complexities (i.e. Butane, Hexene,
Ethyl Alcohol, etc.).

5. Eventually they form the first few cells, and
then evolution occurs.

6. Evolution.

7. Science.

8. Biochemistry

9. Me.

10. My explanation.

>> No.2719307

>>2719186

And randomness does exist actually, it's called quantum mechanics.

>> No.2719310

>>2719298
I N C E P T I O N

>> No.2719325

>>2719307
Randomness also occurs in evolution.

>>2719310
No, because he was awake at the end. In the
dreams he has his wedding ring on his ring
finger, but when he's awake he doesn't.

Your mind blown?

>> No.2719341

>>2719307
mmm, i know that's what they say. I'm not sure if I believe that.
I miss the passage from:
>you can not know both the precise speed and position of a particle
to
>particles don't even have a precise speed and position

>> No.2719363

>>2719298
When you say biochemfag, what do you mean?

If you would, mind giving me your opinion on biophysics at the graduate level? I'm about to get my BS in biochem, and I'm tossing the idea around to move in the biophysics direction for grad school.

>> No.2719353

>>2719325
nah, I've read that on reddit like yesterday. Not sure if that theory is plausible, should download it and watch it again i guess

>> No.2719368

>>2719341

Well really it just defines that, for example, a particle moves "somewhere over there" instead of trying to asses it's trajectory by the picometer.

And well, safe to say randomness does exist.

>> No.2719385

>>2719353
Just look at scenes on YouTube while they're in the
dream and the ending.

>>2719363
You know more than me, I'm only into my 2nd
year of my Bachelor's. I haven't noticed a huge
discrepancy between Biochemistry and
Biophysics to be honest.

>> No.2719400

>>2719363

what do you like more, physics or chemistry?

tah-dah.

>> No.2719428

>>2719400
Not really the case here, at least from what I gather. Biophysics is a relatively new discipline, sort of a quantitative approach to biochemistry. I think a lot of it has to do with the computing power necessary to handle that is relatively new.

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>>2719400

>> No.2719439

>>2719428
>>2719435

sorry, I only had microbiology and such in the first half year of my study :(

>> No.2719443

>>2719307
Possibly, though I suspect the uncertainty principle is simply a mathematical aberration that will be corrected when the next genius points out something we're doing wrong.

>> No.2719451

>>2719443

The next rockstar genius is going to be the one who gets started with dark matter.

>> No.2719485

>implying there's an important distinction between living and nonliving things

>> No.2719493

>>2718658
they didn't; they couldn't; they never did

but you're supposed to believe it on blind faith anyways

>> No.2719496

>>2719307
it's on a scale that doesn't really affect anything humans perceive as "random"

>> No.2719498

>>2719493
>didn't happen
So you're saying we're not alive?
or are you saying the entire universe is alive?

>> No.2719501

>>2719496

interactions in the brain? pretty fundemental

>> No.2719504

>>2719496
>>2719307

I think what the original post was trying to say is that whether it's determinism or randomness, free will doesn't exist either way.