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Science can't explain the rabbit hole that is DMT!

>> No.2670870

Chemical Reactions. Done.

>> No.2670873

Firsttimer, huh? Tell us what you experienced that would not be explainable.

>> No.2670879

>>2670870
No

>>2670873
Fuck me if I knew

>> No.2670982

>>2670873
It felt like I was finally sane for a moment after years of insanity spent on this Earth

>> No.2670986

you can't explain, that's all

>> No.2671023
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2671023

of course you can't explain your mind being fucked with, because what you use to explain, is the tool that was fucked with to begin with.

>> No.2671033

>>2670879

Why is it not?

>> No.2671048

get the fuck out my sci hippies

>> No.2671072

the general theory is that dmt is naturally produced by the body. many people believe that it is what causes dreams when you sleep, but nobody knows for sure. so it is believed that smoking the synthesized chemical induces a dream-like state.

>> No.2671142

>>2671023
Nice

>>2671033
Because it simply isn't, it has to do with your world view that gets distorted beyond reasoning

In other words, its a subjective thing and it's really irrelevant what caused it

>> No.2671155

its a fucking drug

it mindfucks you, it's explainable by the FACT ITS drug operating on your brain.

you're tarded op

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>>2671155

>has never tried DMT

>> No.2671174

>>2671155
That doesnt explain how it is able to teleport you to a totally different world that's completely unknown and bizarre to the modern man

>> No.2671184

>>2671174
That happens to me every night while I'm in bed.

>> No.2671183
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>>2671162
You're no better than theists. No matter how much you think you're special, you're not. DMT doesn't magically make the rules of the universe invalid. It fucks with your PERCEPTION of the universe. Perception is subjective, and comes from your brain. DMT affects this, causing distortions in how you normally see things. This doesn't mean its real, this means your high. Y'know the only special thing about people like you is that you'll never contribute anything to anyone beyond your blabbing because you're actually egotistical enough to believe that taking a drug is a massive life changing event that everyone needs to know about and be able to explain.

For the record, I've done just about every drug worth trying besides DMT and mescaline. DMT is something I'll save for my brain to release and enjoy, mescaline I'll do as soon as I can find some. Everyone likes to explore, don't be the dumbass to think you're special for it.

>> No.2671197

>>2671184
the experience of dmt is completely different to dreams. i wont even talk about it here because its just too hard to explain and yes its a chemical reaction, but it also gives you a wider perspective on certain things.

>> No.2671206

>>2671197
As someone who hasn't taken it and is trying to understand what it's like, how does it compare to Mushrooms or LSD? Or is it totally different from both?

>> No.2671212

>>2671197
Except that you explore dreams frequently, you don't go out to DMT voyages much (or at all)

>> No.2671216

>>2671206
It's much stronger than mushrooms. People say LSD feels more "plastic" than DMT, but I wouldn't know.

>> No.2671254

>>2671216
How did you ingest it? Did you smoke or eat it>

>> No.2671256

>>2671183

Hey dickhole I'm not the OP but I'll respond to your stupid post anyway.

>You're no better than theists

Broad, all-encompassing put-down of a very diverse group in order to appear as a part of the antithetical binary and assert some kind of perceived intellectual superiority?

Check.

>No matter how much you think you're special, you're not

Ad hominem with literally zero content relevent to the discussion?

Check.

>DMT doesn't magically make the rules of the universe invalid.

Responding to a claim I've never made?

Check.

>DMT affects this, causing distortions in how you normally see things.

Yes, yes - how we 'normally' see things - a normality which is, for all intents and purposes, regulated by chemicals much like DMT - most of our sensory reality is regulated by the specific neurochemistry that we have been equipped with by evolution - there is no reason to believe this specific combination of chemicals lets us view things as they "really are", that is provides the whole picture, or even allows insight into a fraction of the whole picture.

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2671262

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/486593

I have the full text, it's quite a read.

>> No.2671264

>>2671256

>This doesn't mean its real, this means your high.

I would never say that it's a "real" experience - it has the appearance of often being even more real than reality itself (before you laugh, keep in mind that you've never even tried it yourself) and this can be incredibly revealing about 'real' reality (concensus reality) and shape the way in which we perceieve things and make us evaluate our preconceptions and what we believe we "know". Guess what else is a result of being "high" - reality itself.

>Y'know the only special thing about people like you is that you'll never contribute anything to anyone beyond your blabbing because you're actually egotistical enough to believe that taking a drug is a massive life changing event that everyone needs to know about and be able to explain.

lolol more ad hominems. I would neveradvocate that everyone can benefit from an experience with a powerful hallucinogen, but there are countless personal testimonies of people having positive mystical/transcendent/spiritual/religious/transformative experience with psychedelics, so I think I can safely say you are a mong.

>> No.2671269

>>2671206

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYDgmpiE-U0

>> No.2671273

What the fuck? Yes it can. I use it monthly, this thread is bullshit, go die OP. Fucking stupid faggot.

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>>2671256
0/10
Thank you for wasting everyones time troll.

By the way you might want to learn what a ad hominem is. You also might want to learn that subjective experiences are not science, and that's why I lumped you in with theists. You claim something is happening that isn't based off your experiences with a drug,

The latter parts are in case you're not a troll and you just happen to be retarded.

>> No.2671279

>>2671264
>>2671256
You're cool

>> No.2671288

>>2671274

>subjective experiences are not science
Never said they were
>You claim something is happening that isn't based off your experiences with a drug,
Never claimed anything of that sort either.

>dismissing what I've said and claiming I'm a troll instead of thoughtfully responding to my points.

That's when I know I've won an argument.

But I'm sure you will disagree. Enjoy your false sense of having accomplished something here today and just walk away muttering to yourself "YEAH THAT GUY SURE IS RETARDED."

Just keep in mind I might be thinking the same thing. Things look pretty differnt from the outside looking in than they do form the inside looking out.

>> No.2671296

>>2671273
>I use my penis monthly,
fix'd

>> No.2671300

>>2671269

Bla bla bla "DMT produces different patterns than LSD" bla bla bla "spiritual entity" bla bla bla

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>>2671264
Plz GTFO

>> No.2671304

>>2671300
lol

>> No.2671327

>>2671288
>subjective experiences are not science
Never said they were


Then get this shit off the board. Didn't read past here btw

>> No.2671357

>>2671327

So I can leave you guys to your endless and constant debates about the existence of your completely infantile and one-dimensional conception of 'God'?

Nah, I think I'l stay right here and I hope I make you mad in the process.

Faggot.

>> No.2671364

http://www.tripzine.com/listing.php?id=dmt_pickover

long but good.

>> No.2671365

>>2671300

Bla bla bla "i am a retard on 4chan" bla bla bla "i know more about the way things really are than that accomplished mathematician" bla bla bla

>> No.2671369

>>2671357
Maybe you can take more DMT and experience a dimension where you're not retarded.

>> No.2671378

>>2671364
>>2671364
This. read this and both of your little arguments look retarded. You're both wrong

>> No.2671381

>>2671369
>>2671357
I lol'd
+10 internets goes to both of you

In all seriousness, why can't we get along with people who don't share our beliefs? I find this rather odd.

>> No.2671396

>>2671381
Because this is /sci/

Not /hippy faggot/

Go to /x/ or /b/

>> No.2671413

>>2671369

I think you are retarded. Who is right?

I think I'm right.

I bet you think you're right.

Damn, that just proves to me that you're retarded.

But I bet that proving to me that you're retarded proves to you that I'm retarded, doesn't it?

Well guess what buddy, that's just even more proof to me that you are in fact the retarded one.

Checkmate, retard.

>>2671381

Because people that do not agree with us are retraded and often faggots and very very often retradedfaggots.

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2671423

>God

>> No.2671448

>>2671423
The word "God" lost its meaning some 5,000 years ago

It's just an expression nowadays

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>>2671413

>> No.2671471

>>2671450

I don't expect you to, but I know you will.

Why do you keep coming back bro? Do you just find me irresistable?

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2671488

>>2671471
Nah just extremely bored and my calc hw site is down.

>> No.2671515

>>2671488

Even if you were bored, you wouldn't subject yourself to something you got absolutely nothing out of. I know you just get a kick out of being antithetical - don't worry, I get the same smug satisfaction out of accomplishing nothing while appearing apathetic.

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2671540

>>2671515
>Implying implications

>> No.2671554

>>2671365

I don't care who he is or what he's done. Personal experience is the WEAKEST standard of evidence. And extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, not just recalling about some kinda pseudo-spiritual experience you had.

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>>2671554
This is going to sound very unscientific but

Extra-ordinary things also require some faith

>> No.2671576

>>2671571

Then you have a weaker standard of evidence than i do.

>> No.2671815

>>2671488
What site? Taking Calc III and it could be of some use.