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This whole "the good thing" stuff is odd. Does sex give us 'pleasure'? Does success give us 'pleasure'? Does social advancement make us 'happy'? Or are those three happinesses three entirely unrelated sensations - sex just feels like sex, success just feels like success, it's not the same sensation so you can't really say they both 'make us happy'.

Is happiness the name of a great collection of feelings, or of a single sensation which is triggered by many different stimuli?

>> No.2659997

you want an entire lesson of neuroscience or something?

>> No.2660008
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2660008

I think maybe it's both. Maybe both is happening at the same time.

>> No.2660009

A discussion.

>> No.2660108

It's subjective, if it feels good to yourself then it feels good

>> No.2660349

read sam harris

>> No.2660358

>>2659997
this.

also, in most cases it is the same sensation triggered by diffrent stimuli at varrying degrees.

>> No.2660387

chemically, sex is pleasure, right? and i guess if success could be considered realizing a goal, that would have a similar effect

>> No.2660413

> sex
Yes. Try it and you'll see why. It feels good and released a whole lotta them brain chemicals that feel good too.

> success
Yes. Self esteem, respect, these are all positive social constructs that arise from success. In caveman/animal terms, they lead to becoming alpha.

> social advancement
See above

> unrelated sensations
Somewhat. You don't get the same pleasure from an orgasm as you do from a promotion. That could be awkward. But all fall under the category of "positive"

>> No.2660424

>>2660413
OP, forgot this thread existed, glad it does. I don't disagree that you could group them all together as 'good things', I just question whether they're actually related in any way other than that we like them all.

>> No.2660433

>>2660424
they're pretty unrelated

as much as mourning and injuries are "bad things" but are still unrelated

>> No.2660435

Success and social advancement both build self-esteem, which is pleasurable. Sex is something separate.

>> No.2660452

If you can't tell the difference between pleasure and happiness, then you have problems to start with. But certainly there are different and incommensurable kinds of pleasure. Most of the common so-called bodily pleasures are nothing more than the perception of a restoration of the body's natural or healthy state. Social status is another matter is it involves another element of the mind which is not generally even aligned with the state of the body. But there are other kinds of pleasure as well, such as the pleasure of knowing.

>> No.2660456

that dog looks pretty happy. Not sure about the pig, though.

>> No.2660458

>>2660452
And to say that these are all different forms of pleasure is not to say they are different aspects of pleasure, and that they are all 'pleasure'? Are they really so related?