/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.2655462]

Why is there so much hate towards engineers and engineering on /sci/?

All I see is "hur engineers are faggots" and I see no cohesive argument whatsoever.

[Anonymous No.2655472]

/sci/entists just mad they get payed less

[Anonymous No.2655485]

>>2655462

How would you feel if you spent all your life researching and making advances in your field only to have some guy who applies your research make 10x your wealth?

In other words, it's like them saying "ok you go find the food, we eat it"

[Anonymous No.2655488]

OP, a better question would be why do you think we hate engineers?

There's nothing wrong with being an engineer, you lot have your own parades and things, and pretty soon, if the politicians pull their heads out of their asses, you'll be allowed to marry!

We're very pro-engineer 'round these parts.

[Anonymous No.2655495]

>>2655462
/sci/ is homophobic

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[Anonymous No.2655500]

why are people always assuming faggot is derogatory? buttholes are not gonna fuck themselves people.

[Anonymous No.2655503]

actually I think sci is exact opposite

[Anonymous No.2655506]

>>2655488
PRIDE!

[Anonymous No.2655509]

>>2655485
Could as many scientific advances occurred if technologies weren't engineered to make the scientific process easier?

Are scientists capable of engineering a technological solution to a current problem? Are they not too distracted by the search for new answers to do so?

[Anonymous No.2655530]

>>2655509
>Are scientists capable of engineering a technological solution to a current problem?
yes and they almost always have

[Anonymous No.2655537]

>>2655530

[Anonymous No.2655543]

>I see no cohesive argument whatsoever.

Fact 1: All engineers love to suck cock
Fact 2: Everyone who loves to suck cock is a fag.
Conclusion: All engineers are fags.

[Anonymous No.2655551]

>>2655530
If both scientists and engineers can engineer technological solutions to problems, what is the distinction between engineers and scientists aside from the name and the education? What capacities and abilities do scientists have that engineers do not?

[Anonymous No.2655554]

>>2655543

[Anonymous No.2655562]

>>2655543

Well.. in that case.
>All engineers are humans
>Therefore.. all humans are fags
>If everyone is a giant faggot what's so bad?

[Anonymous No.2655564]

>>2655562
You fail at logic.

Engineers are a subset of humans.

[Anonymous No.2655567]

>>2655551
Engineers are specialized to solve certain types of problems
Their kind of like technicians that are good at math

[sage No.2655571]

>>2655551

Scientists contribute to man's understanding of the universe. They contribute to the body of human knowledge as a whole.

Engineers just build crap.

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[Anonymous No.2655574]

>>2655562
Way to logic fail.

[Anonymous No.2655591]

>>2655564
>>2655564

>Implying humans aren't engineered by nature
>therefore nature engineered us
>some humans are engineers
>those that are engineers are fags
>those that are fags love to suck cock
>if you are an engineer, you can engineer humans
>a fag engineered a human, who himself must be a fag.

therefore, we're all faggots, faggot.

[Anonymous No.2655590]

Enginiggers can't be all bad. Without them, there'd be no Dilbert comics.

[Anonymous No.2655585]

>>2655567
Would you say...
They solve...
Practical problems?

[Anonymous No.2655587]

>>2655551
>doesn't know the difference between homo and heterosexuals

How old are you?

[Anonymous No.2655600]

>>2655585
>engineering

Why would anyone be proud to do grunt work?

[Anonymous No.2655603]

>>2655571
So if I were to get an applied physics degree, would I have the best of both worlds, or is applied physics not real physics?

[Anonymous No.2655619]

>>2655551
well think about it this way
Imagine I want my building not to fall
I'll just hire an engineer to calculate the materials and such so it will not fall
Other types of engineers do the same thing but for other things
Like electrical engineers can calculate the amount of power the building will need, a mechanical engineer would tell you how much torque and other things in order to make a vehicle and a chemical engineer will tell you how to make toothpaste

[Anonymous No.2655621]

>>2655551

it's like the difference between an operator and a technician. they still work on the same damn production line.

[Anonymous No.2655624]

>>2655462
You're being trolled by a tired, forced meme.

[Anonymous No.2655629]

>>2655603

>applied physics = physics, science

>engineering = semi-skilled technician

what part are you not understanding?

[Anonymous No.2655634]

>>2655621
Yeah its like in NASA
scientists will design the spaceship and the mission and all of that while engineers take care of the details and whatever so scientists can worry about more important things

[Anonymous No.2655637]

>>2655619
Also scientists are very often forced to do a little impromptu engineering and vice versa.

R&D engineers do the usual design of experiments stuff. Formulate hypothesis and gather data on things so they know the stuff they're working with better.

Scientists need custom-built tools every now and then so they get an engineer to do it or try to jerry-rig a solution themselves.

[Anonymous No.2655639]

>>2655485
>mfw someone actually thinks like this

[Anonymous No.2655642]

>>2655603
>Best of both worlds

What is the good part about homosexuality?

[Anonymous No.2655644]

Engineers do the "applied" grunt-work that might otherwise fall to the mathematicians or physicists so the real scientists are free to use their superior intelligence more productively.

[Anonymous No.2655660]

>>2655642
I'd like to be employed and making more than minimum wage after getting a bachelor's, thanks.

[Anonymous No.2655663]

>>2655644
>more productively forever alone on $35k a year

[Anonymous No.2655670]

>>2655660
As long as you pick anything other the liberal arts, you will be fine then.

Why aim so low though? Engineering? Really? Have you always been such an underachiever?

[Anonymous No.2655697]

>>2655670
Ever since junior high. Been kicking it up since I tested out of high school, though.

The promise of 50k straight out was attractive. Been considering applied physics and computer sci instead lately, though.

[Anonymous No.2655699]

>>2655642
Economics can certainly be studied scientifically, and in those cases it should be discussed on /sci/

[Anonymous No.2655714]

ITT
>>implying engineers take all the money
>>implying it isn't the top leaders and economists

Don't hate on them engineers!

[Anonymous No.2655784]

>>2655462
i'm an engineer.
i like pussy.
-0-

[Anonymous No.2655796]

>>2655784
Bullshit

[Anonymous No.2655797]

>>2655784
lesbo

[Scientist No.2655800]

>>2655462
It's a couple of trolls who should be perma banned. Try not to feed them.

[Anonymous No.2655807]

>>2655642

>/new/

Where does everyone go now that it doesn't exist? (like god lol)

[Anonymous No.2655808]

>>2655784

[Anonymous No.2655821]

ITT

>mad pure sciences
>engineers take information/knowledge gained and put to practical use
>hur dur I study pure science therefore I am more intelligent than you

[Anonymous No.2655835]

Just a /sci/ thing. In actual schools most people think engineers are smart and do alot of complex Maths.

[Anonymous No.2655836]

Great thread guys.

[Anonymous No.2655860]

It's a fucking meme, you damn dullard.

[Anonymous No.2655868]

non-scientists (aka lozers) think engineerfags are actually smart. those of us in math, physics, chem, bio, or other sci departments know that engineers are so full of shit.

[Anonymous No.2655879]

I'm an engineer and I love these threads. The fact is, pure scientists would have you believe that they are superior because they contribute important knowledge to humanity. In reality most of them shit out papers with little importance, or meaningful conclusions. Anything that they do contribute is usually extremely obscure and useless.

Engineers may not undertake such a pursuit of knowledge, but we actually make a difference in the world outside of academia. Any cool device you have ever seen, ever, was designed or build by an engineer.

Also, regardless of sexual orientation, the average engineer does not have the social skills to get sex from anyone. The more appropriate joke would be calling us asexual.

[Anonymous No.2655892]

>>2655879
What's the best branch? Which degree program has the coursework that's the most fun?

[Anonymous No.2655902]

>>2655892

Aerospace. That's what I do. It's the most focused of all the disciplines, so you get a lot more opportunities for R&D as a student than you would in, say, MechE or ChemE. You also get to learn a lot of analytical math (at least at my school).

[Anonymous No.2655912]

>>2655892
The Mystery Method.

[Anonymous No.2655919]

>>2655637
>Also scientists are very often forced to do a little impromptu engineering and vice versa.
exactly. as an engineer you're still taught scientific method and need to understand and analyze systems you're working with.
Not to mention that as an engineer you are often required to do what has not been done in that form before. So we have to make predictions, observe, refine.
It's just that we often work in a less formal manner and do things by ear when more rigorous approaches would be too time-consuming. And our publications are patents, not academic papers.

>>2655879
>The more appropriate joke would be calling us asexual.
sad, but true ;_;

[Anonymous No.2655935]

>>2655919
Memes and group-specific, group-induced senses of superiority for both groups aside, I have the utmost respect for engineers and scientists.

[Anonymous No.2655939]

>>2655902
>so you get a lot more opportunities for R&D
>(at least at my school)

[Anonymous No.2655943]

>>2655939

I don't even know what you're trying to say.

[Anonymous No.2655946]

>>2655551 What capacities and abilities do scientists have that engineers do not?
>>2655551

Their anal capacity is distinctly less than an engineers.

[Anonymous No.2655953]

>>2655943
cool argument bro

[Anonymous No.2655954]

>>2655485
>mfw you don't know basic economic principles of supply and demand

[Anonymous No.2655963]

>>2655462
lol not at all?

Engineers design things.
Scientists deal with theory and generally small scale "perfect" problems. (ignore astrophysics lol, that's BIG scale.)
A physicist will deal with a problem in perfect conditions, where nothing goes wrong.
A civil will make a building that has to deal with not just the distributed masses in the building, but also external changing forces, like wind, or even natural disasters.

Engineers are NOT just smart technicians. Techs FIX things. Engineers CREATE things. As a matter of fact, almost everything of great importance is an engineering marvel. From the cars we drive and buildings we live in to the computer you are looking at.

As for the "smarts," engineers have to understand all the science/math a scientist needs to know WELL, because they need to APPLY that science. Additionally, engineers need to account for the "reality" of the situation. ChemEs need to deal with the fact that doing a reaction with 10,000 lbs of a chemical will create problems that wouldn't occur in a test tube.

Why do engineers make all the money? Because they are USEFUL to the people. Yes, scientists are useful....but really only to engineers. Only engineers can apply that science to become useful.

As an engineer, I do love scientists. I appreciate and admire the work they do. But they are useless without engineers. But then again, an engineer can only do so much without the advances of scientists.

And yes, to a point, engineers do some scientific study (depends on the classification of engineer), and occasionally the scientist will do some engineering. I personally consider scientists and engineers under the same category, as engineers are also scientists, just merely on a macro scale. Think like this: Organic Chemists, Biopharm Scientists, and Chemical Engineers are all Chemists. Just different types.

[Anonymous No.2655967]

>>2655953

that second quote, (at least at my school), was about learning higher level math, not about research opportunities?

troll? or just illiterate.

[Anonymous No.2655971]

Here are the reasons I tend not to like engineers:
1. They tend to be really arrogant.
2. They call themselves scientists, but know next to nothing about the philosophy of science.
3. They don't care about why a scientific principle holds true, they only want to know how to use it. In other words, they're not very curious about science the subject.
4. They're glorified calculators.
5. They only care about money.

And that's why I switched my major away from engineering.

[Anonymous No.2655977]

>>2655967
baseless argument much?

[Anonymous No.2655990]

>>2655902
hurr durr my engineering major requires more math than yours. Hurr durr therefore I'm on the same level as a scientist/mathematician.

[chemE No.2655993]

>>2655971
1. Sure, fine, i'm arrogant. no more than a scientist.
2. We ARE scientists. And don't you fucking tell me i don't know about the philosophy of science. I follow a life of science and learning. The theory is what truly interests me. That's why i'm going to be going into R&D. I want to learn, expand, AND apply the scientific field of chemistry.
3. Again, false. I LOVE science. I only want to apply what I understand.
4. How is this true? Calculators don't design things.
5. I don't care about the money that much (duh, i need money to live, so i care a little). It's nice, but it's not what drives me.

[Anonymous No.2655996]

Can you guys help me?

use law sines and suitable identies to show that for any triangle

(a-b)/(a+b)=tan((A-B)/2)/tan((A+B)/2)

[Anonymous No.2655999]

>>2655990

someone asked me directly which branch was the best, so i responded.

does /sci/ really not bother reading? or are there just really awful trolls everywhere?

[Anonymous No.2656003]

>>2655971
>1. They tend to be really arrogant.
that i am. towards normalfags.
>2. They call themselves scientists, but know next to nothing about the philosophy of science.
i understand and apply scientific method. if you mean something else by philosophy of science that will require further discussion.
>3. They don't care about why a scientific principle holds true, they only want to know how to use it. In other words, they're not very curious about science the subject.
au conrair, mon amis. I love understanding the underlying principles of everything that piques my interest. understanding concepts is so much more rewarding than just memorizing facts. you start to see patterns and see how everything fits neatly into each other and if you run into something you haven't heard about before you'll at least have a rough idea what it relates to.
>4. They're glorified calculators.
No, that's what computers are good for.
>5. They only care about money.
i don't care about the money at all. i do it for fun.

[Anonymous No.2656008]

>>2655999

*branch of engineering i meant. also, check the trips.

[Anonymous No.2656022]

>>2656003
>that i am. towards normalfags.

ya thats the problem. Most of you guys that go into the oil industry are utter shit. Field engineers with no degrees are 10x better than you.

[Anonymous No.2656031]

>>2655996
Come on engineers please solve this

[engineer !1BuTTsexks No.2656034]

[Anonymous No.2656044]

>>2656022
>ya thats the problem. Most of you guys that go into the oil industry are utter shit. Field engineers with no degrees are 10x better than you.
>Field engineers with no degrees are 10x better than you.
>Field engineers with no degrees
>engineers with no degrees

wat

i dunno what world you are from, but you NEED to know your shit to be an engineer, and i'm pretty sure that you won't be hired without being able to prove that. and good luck doing that without a degree.

[Anonymous No.2656052]

>>2656022
>Most of you guys that go into the oil industry
I detest working for big industry. You're valued about as much as the systems that you're working on. Usually even less.

Also, what made you think of the oil industry?

[Anonymous No.2656055]

>>2656031
ask a math major, not an engineer.

i'll take a look at it though.

[Anonymous No.2656074]

>>2656044
My Dad has work in the oil field for over 30 years. 10 of those years as an engineer. He has engineers with master degrees working under him and even asking him for help with MATH. All the shit these kids learned in school is of zero use to them out in the real world. All they're good at is presentations. They can't manage a project for shit and have no people skills. They truly are pathetic. And the irony of all this that he even makes more money than them with no degree.

[Anonymous No.2656076]

>>2656074
very cool story bro

[Anonymous No.2656079]

>>2656074
>my daddy says

[Anonymous No.2656091]

>>2656079
I'm gonna be honest I work their too(as a laborer). I once aske an engineer that worked there for some calculus 1 help. He got the answer completely wrong. My dad made a comment to him saying that if he doesn't know shit in the field and doesn't know his school shit then what the fuck did he know. The engineer just stayed quiet. I loled hard. Poor guy,

[Anonymous No.2656095]

>>2655902
>more focused
>therefore, more research opportunities

I'm not so sure about that. I'm a mechanical engineering student, and I know people who've done research ranging from essentially aerospace (since aero is like a specialized subfield of mechanical) to essentially electrical (robotics and whatnot) to essentially chemical (controls related, mainly), and of course all of the main stuff like thermo, strength of materials, etc. I think being broader lets you have more opportunities to find something you like to research.

[Anonymous No.2656105]

>>2656091

[Anonymous No.2656123]

>>2656095

fair enough. I guess it might be because aeroE makes students more specialized (and therefore, in a way, more competitive) for certain projects.

although any decent engineering student from a good-tier or higher school should have no trouble getting R&D projects.

[Anonymous No.2656125]

>>2656055
are you an engineering major?

[Anonymous No.2656133]

>>2656074
Sounds about right
If engineers were actually smart they'd be able to make money out of patents or products they created instead of working 60 hours a week doing stuff for someone else

[Anonymous No.2656134]

>>2656091
>'their'
>doesn't know calc 1
>makes fun of others who were probably too busy to focus on your infantile question

[Anonymous No.2656135]

Mech E here

looking to suck some cocks

[Anonymous No.2656142]

>>2656091 laborer
>>2656091 calculus

Confirmed for troll

[Anonymous No.2656153]

>>2656074
The difference of course being that your dad had to get 30 years of experience whereas most of these engineers with master's degrees you're referring to are probably fresh out of 6 years of school. Experience makes all the difference... an engineer with a BS and 30 years of experience is almost certainly more useful than an engineer with a PhD and zero experience fresh out of grad school.

[Anonymous No.2656156]

>>2656134
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/there

look at the first definition you dumbfuck. Also maybe you're right they were to busy taking orders from my dad to focus on my homework.

[Anonymous No.2656174]

>>2656142
actually no. I was always smart I just dropped out in high school. Now I'm in community college finishing my 2 years getting ready to transfer to a real uni.

[Anonymous No.2656179]

>>2656156
>doesn't know the difference between 'their' and 'there'

[Anonymous No.2656190]

ITT: Engineers getting mad at their own stupidity

[Anonymous No.2656199]

>>2656174

you were always smart then you dropped out of hs?

[Anonymous No.2656201]

>>2656190
ITT;
Scientists getting mad that engineers are up to par with them.

ad hominem doesn't exactly help the scientists case of looking smart.

[Anonymous No.2656203]

>>2656091
your dad should be fired for talking to a fellow coworker like that. Even if the engineer was working under him he still had no obligation to help with your math homework. Seriously your dad is a dick.

[Anonymous No.2656204]

ITT: Broad generalizations of two groups of people that are far more similar than different from each other.

[Anonymous No.2656209]

>>2656199
girls,girls,girls...actually just 1 girl who I lived with when I was 15.

[Anonymous No.2656210]

>>2656199
Not who you're replying to, but I tested out of high school as early as possible and did the CC->Uni thing.

Not because I'm particularly intelligent (I'm not), but because I was afraid of literally getting murdered by a classmate at some point :(

[Anonymous No.2656232]

http://browngay.com/

[Anonymous No.2656236]

>>2656232

[Anonymous No.2656242]

>>2656232
i gotta admit

i loled

[Anonymous No.2656256]

i always figure the people who say that shit are just jelly of engineers :)

[Anonymous No.2656264]

>>2655993
We are NOT scientists. Scientists apply the scientific method to achieve as accurate and repeatable results as possible. We're engineers, we try to get within +/-5% of the desired outcome, then hope for the best

>>2655495
That's actually a really funny picture

[Anonymous No.2656277]

>>2656232
Did you become gay or were you just browned that way?

[Anonymous No.2656304]

>>2656209
You make such excellent decisions, I cannot but take your word re: intelligence!
I wish that I'd dropped out of school because of a girl and now attended community college; everyone would know my brilliance - indubitably!

[Anonymous No.2656315]

>>2656264
Often true, but not for every discipline.

A civil makes a bridge....he has one shot for the real thing, but he has to make a bunch of scaled down models first, to get the best result.

chemEs can research, and basically work as a scientist untill they want to apply their science.

mechEs make robots and machines over and over untill the most effective one is created (and there is no such thing as MOST effective...)

EEs make circuits over and over untill it works correctly every time.


Engineers apply the scientific method, just on a non-theoretical scale.

[Anonymous No.2656318]

>>2656304
Ok ya anyways point is that you engineering faggots aren't that smart. While in school you can look down on the normalfags all you want. But out in the field and in the real world you aren't the hot shit you think you are.

[Anonymous No.2656340]

>>2656318
>my daddy says

George Junior! Stop embarrassing the family in public!

[Anonymous No.2656348]

>>2656340

Listen to your mother, boy. You were a failure in the fields and have no right to speak to real men like that.

[Anonymous No.2656371]

>>2656340
againg faggot I said I work there I see these engineering fags in action. I've seen operators kick them the fuck out for being stupid fucks.Facts are facts and the fact is engineers are faggots.

[Anonymous No.2656382]

>>2656371
annnnnd those guys in charge are also probably engineers....

[Anonymous No.2656388]

>>2656315
>>mechEs make robots

MechEs are rednecks, dude. At least at my school.

[Anonymous No.2656395]

>>2656340
the reason I even replied to this thread was because of this faggot >>2656003
I raged at his comments about being arrogant only with normalfags. I really don't give shit about engineering since thats not my major. Also you guys are faggots peace.

[Anonymous No.2656403]

>>2656371
>againg
>gagging

FTFY

Also, are you so terrifyingly 'roided that you simply cannot hit the correct keys?

[bleedingedge !!OBNkFn9BVXZ No.2656405]

>>2656388
My school too bro.

[Anonymous No.2656413]

>>2656382
Operators are not engineers. They're roughnecks with lots of field experience who don't take shit from some whiny little faggots with a little piece of paper that makes them think they're gods amongst "normalfags".

[Anonymous No.2656428]

>>2656315
What's focus of course work in undergrad ME and CE programs?

[Anonymous No.2656433]

>>2656388
Rednecks how?

[Anonymous No.2656434]

>>2656371
>>2656395
>>2656318
The word of the day is faggot everyone.

[Anonymous No.2656436]

>>2656413
I will get around to obsoleting their jobs with robots as well. Just not immediately - I'm a little busy automating this factory at the moment.
Besides, roughnecks are the last badasses of industry left, along with the high-risk welders. I half don't want to drive them out of work and into alcoholism, but the profit curve's demands cannot be ignored forever...

[Anonymous No.2656439]

>>2656433
their necks were red?

[Anonymous No.2656446]

>>2656434
hey lissen faggot notbody askd your gay faggot little opnion

[Anonymous No.2656449]

>>2656413
If they are like pipe fitters, they usually have degrees and certifications out their ass.

[Anonymous No.2656454]

>>2656446
I'm sorry, but did anyone ask you for yours?

[Anonymous No.2656466]

>>2656449
Well pipefitters have to be really good at trig and some have to even know how to weld. They're more useful in the oil industry than most engineers and get paid better too.

[Anonymous No.2656473]

>>2656454
implicitly, brah.

[Anonymous No.2656477]

>>2656466
Out of curiosity (and not condescension), what do pipefitters need trig for?

[Anonymous No.2656497]

last time i checked, engineers weren't pipe fitters. they design the pipe system. other people build it.

[Anonymous No.2656499]

>>2656477
Things like rolling offsets,simple offsets etc.
pic related

[Anonymous No.2656505]

>>2656499
hrm. all that school, and I could be making 600k a year fitting pipes in the field, with only good ol' Pyfagoras.

[Anonymous No.2656524]

>>2656505
actually no...more like 90k to 100k a year. They fuck with the csc function alot. The math gets more heavy when they have to miter angles and shit. Also pipefitting isn't all math.You need to be a good welder.

[Anonymous No.2656539]

>>2656232
lol

[Anonymous No.2656574]

>>2656074


I love random hatred towards engineers, even though the people attacking them have contributed nothing except boasting about their superiority.

Chances are none of you math, science or chemistry majors have done anything remotely useful or new. You just like to bitch about engineers doing things.

[Anonymous No.2657348]

Special delivery for everyone in this thread

[Anonymous No.2657363]

that "engineering is gay" guy must be pretty happy at what a shitshow this thread turned into

[Anonymous No.2659015]

did someone say engineers?

[Anonymous No.2659025]

>>2657363
>(Mon)02:10

>>2659015
>(Mon)12:57

Ok, this is pathetic.

[Anonymous No.2659051]

>>2659025
>implying you should only lurk the first page of /sci/

Newsflash, the first couple pages of /sci/ are always filled with trolls. The good shit gets ignored and pushed back.

[Anonymous No.2659069]

>>2659051
>implying this thread is good shit and not filled with trolls
>implying >>2659015 didn't just search through 15 pages of threads to post gay porn in an engineering thread

[Anonymous No.2659072]

and what about people who have a degree in engineering (a true one that is to say a European one) and a PhD ?
Bi-curious guys ?

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.2659097]

[Anonymous No.2659174]

>implying they don't take radically different kinds of thinking and science would've gotten fucking anywhere without the engineers that put it to work
>implying a scientist that builds shit isn't ALSO an engineer

[Anonymous No.2659188]

I'm Engineering Physics. Best of both worlds?

[Anonymous No.2659198]

>>2659188

That's a fucking engineer.

I can't believe my fellow engineers are this dense...it's a fucking meme you asshats.

[Anonymous No.2659266]

>>2656232
>>2656232

lol'd

[Anonymous No.2659270]

>>2659198
Told you that engineers were gay