shit your educator says

[Anonymous No.2650797]

ITT shit your educator says

Inspired by how my biochemistry professor opened his friday lecture (quoting from memory):
>I'd like to tell you lot a little anecdote. Back in the communist days, you know, strict censorship and all, in [a neighboring village] a rock band - which were a rebellious novelty back then - was supposed to give a concert. It was quite a big event among the teenagers, the only problem was the band's name was - please pardon my language - "Fucking Morons", and the local party authorities wouldn't have that kind of profanity on a poster or stage. Still, the story has a happy ending as the band agreed to temporarily call themselves "Quite Obtuse" for the concert's duration and it all went off without a hitch. Now, you may be wondering if there's a point to my story and why I am telling it.
>I'm not quite done with grading your tests yet, but I've already come to one conclusion. It seems you are all quite obtuse.

[Anonymous No.2650811]

Funny if you consider, that actually he was the one, who failed at his job horribly.ta

[Anonymous No.2650818]

>>2650811
>dumb lazy students
>TEACHERS FAULT HERP DERP

[Anonymous No.2650823]

>Back in the communist days
What country?

[Anonymous No.2650824]

>>2650818
yeah, he failed at motivating his students. Besides, he is probably a fucking loser, otherwise he wouldn't have to work at university, where students are lazy.

[Anonymous No.2650827]

So he called you guys 'quite obtuse' as a nice way of saying 'fucking morons' because the administration wouldn't like him saying 'fucking morons' in the classroom, yet he says it anyway in his analogy of why he won't say it

that doesn't make any sense, and maybe that's the reason your class didn't do well on the test because he's incomprehensible and complicating.

[Anonymous No.2650830]

>>2650823
Poland maybe?

[Anonymous No.2650832]

>>2650823
Poland.

[Anonymous No.2650837]

>>2650823
poland

[Anonymous No.2650838]

>A-Level chemistry
>Just done mock exams and teacher was giving out the tests with our marks
>Calls the guy who does fuck all work out of the room to discuss his grade, a U if I remember correctly
>Having had this teacher for 2 and a half years He's never raised his voice
>From outside the room hear the teacher scream "GET OUT AND STOP WASTING MY FUCKING LIFE!" at the guy

[Anonymous No.2650844]

>>2650838
the fuck is a U

[Anonymous No.2650849]

>>2650844
an F in terms of britfaggotry

[Anonymous No.2650855]

>>2650827
>>2650824
>>2650811
They guy's actually a really good educator, but he expects lots of effort and is rather demanding.

Results just in, 7% of people taking the test got a passing grade. I got a 3.5 (3.0, 3.5, 4.0, 4.5 and the highest 5.0 are passing grades).

[Anonymous No.2650857]

>>2650797

i lol'd.

[Anonymous No.2650889]

I went to a professor in person to arrange some administrative matter (exam organization can be problematic), since he takes days to answer an e-mail:

>Knocked on door
>Heard the professors voice
>"If it's a student, tell him to fuck off."
>Grad student tells me to come in (it's several connected rooms, the professor's not in sight)
>"The professor's not in today"

MFW

[Anonymous No.2650909]

>AND RAPRACE TRANSFOM IS INTEGRA ZERO TO POZ IFFINITY OF EEDA MINE ESS TEE TIE EFFA TEE DEE TEE

[Anonymous No.2650914]

>>2650837
>>2650832
>>2650830
omg hivemind

[Anonymous No.2650913]

Why do you guys have such angry teachers? Dear lord, I couldn't imagine my professors acting like that. They're all great, laid back folks.

[Anonymous No.2650951]

>>2650818
What other outcome do you forsee to happen if the Educator had not done his job?

None. The only result of a lazy educator is the failure of his students, which is reflective evidence of just how terrible the educator was. If he wasn't lazy, his students would not have failed.

your high-and-mighty view of law and establishment < logical reasoning

cy@

[Anonymous No.2650956]

>>2650913
philosophy major detected

[Anonymous No.2650957]

>>2650913
I'm guessing it's because most of the students of these professors have been like the ignorant shitfuckers who are contaminating this thread, and so the teachers lose their pleasant, humane demeanor in favor of a bitter, cantankerous aneurysm in waiting.

[Anonymous No.2650958]

sup fags
teacher here
work at private school
kids boarding
spoiled by school so they can skip class and nothing happens
ehhhhhhh money's good
anyway, one day in my second year at the place, i noticed that about half of the kids were either not listening or looking at their phones
my words: "if you come here, then you are respectful and you listen and you make notes. if you want to play with your phones, then stay. in. your. fuck. king. dormitories"
shocked silence
breathed in and out, carried on with the lesson
never heard anything back from school admin
never had that kind of shit from that class again

[Anonymous No.2650960]

>>2650827
OP here. "The administration" wouldn't lay a finger on a professor in Poland unless he pulled some really extreme shit.

As an example, another story I have (wasn't an eye witness this time though):
My roommate's electronics lecturer made a habit out of quipping dirty, usually sexist jokes all the time, which annoyed the (rather few in number) female students to no end. Eventually two of them snapped back at him and said they're just gonna walk out if he keeps this shit up. He apologized profusely and went back to the lecture. Then, after a few minutes...
>I'm sorry, but I just HAVE to say this one. You know, it's a medically proven fact guys in Sosnowiec have enormous penises, that's because...
(the girls rise and walk out in anger)
>Hey, where are you going? The train to Sosnowiec doesn't leave for another hour!

[Anonymous No.2650964]

>>2650957
An asshole's decline into being an asshole is obviously the fault of his peers, right?

[Anonymous No.2650974]

>>2650951
But that's just one possibility. What if the students ARE genuine morons? Who are you to deny them the ability of failing even the greatest educator through sheer idiocy?

[Anonymous No.2650978]

>>2650964
No.

But a non-asshole may act as an asshole in response to assholes.

[Anonymous No.2650992]

My structures professor is Egyptian. He's an old, fat angry fuck who is amazing at structures but not so great at teaching.

He also used to be an Egyptian Air Force captain.
So naturally, one day during the massive Egyptian riots someone asks him what his feelings about the situation are. He gives this long, rambling story about how one day President Mubarak came to his base to meet the officers. our professor even shook his hand.
He ends his story with

"I should have shot that asshole when I had the chance."

[Anonymous No.2651008]

well, I can't understand my linear algebra professor for shit...he is an immigrant from Rwanda or some african country you never heard of...speaks with a heavy accent...picky grader

[Anonymous No.2651012]

>>2650992

Your professor is awesome.

[Anonymous No.2651017]

>>2650978
So its his fault for responding that way.

[Anonymous No.2651042]

>>2651017
He's the one responsible for what he says, that's always true.

What he says may be true and appropriate, if not nice, though.

[Anonymous No.2651053]

Gentlemen, if you want quotable professors, look no further than Longwood University in humble Farmville, VA. There's a story nearly every week from the Math and Computer Science department. Hell, one of the Comp. Sci professors completely lost his mind years and years ago. Now he tells stories about how he used to kill people around the time of Vietnam. Once lifted a guy into some chopper blades to kill him.

[Anonymous No.2651058]

I heard this one from a friend of mine who I consider trustworthy.

>Guy goes to apply to study abroad
>Paperwork gets lost in translation, assistant director tells him she'll be sure to get it to the director
>Director gets it but it's apparently not flagged as "Accept despite lateness"
>Director sends him a letter saying "Never apply to anything I am in charge of again, as I will remember your name for being so incompetent as to apply late to a program like this. I expect to deal with adults in this office, not immature children like yourself."
>His face

[Anonymous No.2651077]

>>2650956
If by philosophy, you mean computer science, then yes.

[Anonymous No.2651084]

>>2651077
Lucky you. My CS school only had two types of people:

-Hard-chargin' accomplishment freaks
-Former hard-chargin' accomplishment freaks who got tenure and decided to be assholes instead

[Anonymous No.2651468]

>I'm finishing my degree in finance
>I'm not sure what title we'll have (Quantitative Analyst, Financial Engineer, whatever)
>Go to professor in charge
>"Pardon me sir, when we finish our degree, what will we be?"
>"Alcoholic"
mfw

[Anonymous No.2651487]

>>2651468
Bad joke.
Try telling an actual story next time.

[Anonymous No.2651504]

>Straight outta Compton, crazy motherfucker named Ice Cube, from the gang called Niggas With Attitude, when I'm called off, I got a sawed off squeeze the trigger, and bodies are hauled off

I believe we were talking about W.E.B. Du Bois...

[Anonymous No.2651515]

>taking philosophy for lol general ed.
>Teacher says that philosophers "discovered" atoms hundreds of years before scientists did.
>Physics major calls him on his bullshit.
>he insists, quoting some old philosopher fag I'm not going to bother trying to remember his name
>physics major tries to explain the difference between the idea of an "atom" as in tiny building blocks that make up matter and an actual atom
>phil teacher doesn't put up with it, tells him to get out of class and somehow says this is proof that philosophers are smarter than scientists because "hurr we came up with atoms first"

[Anonymous No.2651538]

In middle school I had this teacher...

>"LOL Martha eats shit on toast."
>"Kim, that's absurd. I know for a fact Martha doesn't like toast."

[Anonymous No.2651543]

>>2650960
Crushed it.

[Anonymous No.2651570]

"Some one who doesn't know the answer the question"

"It should be clear..."

"should be obvious to the most casual observer."

[Anonymous No.2651578]

>>2650960
haha

[Anonymous No.2651584]

>how many of you can visualize the fourth dimension?
>raise my hand
>put your hand down, the truth is nobody can
>mfw

[Anonymous No.2651644]

>>2651584
Fourth dimension is easy. X, Y, Z, and color.

[Anonymous No.2651674]

>>2651644

lolno

[Anonymous No.2651714]

>>2650951
Speaking as a recent graduate, the majority of American undergrads are - I hate to use this loaded word that always seems to be applied to my generation - self-entitled. They complain constantly, don't put enough effort into learning the material, always ask for handouts in the form of homework answers, need professors to hold their hands through everything, etc. Sometimes when challenged they just need to ramp up their efforts instead of complaining to the administration about how the professor is too harsh or something. I attended a good university too, so I can't even imagine how bad it must be at lower tier institutions.

[Anonymous No.2651725]

>>2651714
Oh, found the perfect image to go with my post. And I'm not even a grad student, I can't imagine how they feel.

[Anonymous No.2651752]

>>2651644

bitches don't know bout my spacetime

[Anonymous No.2651755]

>>2650951

You try teaching mathematical proofs to a compsci class.

[Anonymous No.2651762]

>>2651725
>I can't imagine how they feel.
Aggravated, but trying to be tolerant and helpful.

[Anonymous No.2651765]

>>2651752

Oh come on. You know what the man was talking about.

[Anonymous No.2651766]

>>2651714

It's pretty bad everywhere, as far as I know. Maybe it's different at top-tier, but I'm at a decent university and if you try to go get help with a general concept from a TA they're too busy being harassed for specific answers to actually explain anything to you. Same thing at professor's office hours most of the time, which is even worse. It really pisses me off because there's no time for the people who want to ask questions about things that are only lightly touched on in the course (oftentimes my professor's actual area of research) because their time is being taken by students trying to browbeat the professor into getting an A. Some of us are here to learn, dammit.

[Anonymous No.2651780]

>>2651755

compsci here. Taking math classes at a top 10 mathematics department.

mfw I know more than you ever will

[Anonymous No.2651797]

>>2651780

Keep dreaming, kid. You'll go to code Java at some shitty start up and I'll stay right here and keep proving my theorems.

[Anonymous No.2651818]

>>2651797
Already have a job waiting for me at Amazon, when I graduate this summer.

Have fun at your shit-tier school, by the way.

>mfw I know more math and make more than you ever will

[Anonymous No.2652640]

>>2651762
>a student can do no wrong

[Anonymous No.2652657]

>>2651766
As a long-time TA (too long), I countered this by never ever giving points back to those kinds of students (you know the ones, they get a 98% and want the other 2.) It always made the first couple weeks harder for me, but better off the rest of the semester.

[Anonymous No.2652661]

>>2650855
>They guy's actually a really good educator,

Sounds average at best if only 7% of the class passed.

Regardless of what people think it's an educator's job to get people to understand the material. Fuck offs who won't pay attention are an outlier and should be treated as such.

tldr Even a mediocre student who pays attention should never fail if they have a good teacher.

[Anonymous No.2652671]

>>2652661
>Regardless of what people think it's an educator's job to get people to understand the material. Fuck offs who won't pay attention are an outlier and should be treated as such.

See, this isn't necessarily the case. I did undergrad at a mid-tier kind of state school, and the real problem was the freshman stuff. Those lazy morons were catered to, and as such, passed into the higher level courses when they really shouldn't have. They then had that sense of entitlement, and they definitely weren't outliers. Yes, there was a small handful of students that were excellent, but they got drowned out by people that shouldn't made it.

It's why phdcomics rings so painfully true.

[Anonymous No.2652675]

My old chemistry teacher was great. If a student was being too loud, or was wasting time etc. he'd get them to fetch the long weight from the stockroom upstairs. When they got there, the admin would take half an hour to find it and usually by the time the student had lugged this thing down the stairs the class was basically over, and we'd all share a big laugh.
Also we did the screaming jelly baby experiment. He ripped the head off an orange one, the body from a black one and stuck them together. This was an effigy of one ginger kid who aways wore a black tracksuit to school.

>mfw he made me get the long weight after hiding his packed lunch

[Anonymous No.2652685]

>>2650909
loled at that one

>>2651644
I also use color

[Anonymous No.2652695]

>lecture on laboratory safety
>prof talks about all the accidents he has caused in his life
>people laugh at some of them
>prof prof tells us that its always funny until someone gets hurt
>the laughter dies down and everyone feels bad about laughing
>awkward silence
>prof adds: "...then its fucking hilarious"

[Anonymous No.2652698]

>>2651766
I don't recognize that at all. I can always go to a professor's office for just about any question remotely connected to the subject he teaches as long as he is in his office and not in an active meeting.
I've heard it said that this is a big difference between American and European university culture. Are you American, by any chance?

[Philebus No.2652716]

>>2652685
Dumbass here...how do you model the fourth dimension as color? I understand that color is just another variable, like displacement in one of the 3 dimensions you can visualize in a 2-D diagram with foreshortening, but I can't visualize changes in the color of the diagram representing a fourth spacelike dimension.

[Anonymous No.2652725]

>>2652698
not him, but in my american universities, profs have been nothing but generous with their time. and triply so when you ask a smart question instead of "why'd you take points off."

[Anonymous No.2652730]

>>2652685
as do i

I imagine you mean in a hue kinda way? Like i'm currently seeing in hue X, but a step into the fourth and i can't see hue X any more i'm now in Hue Y. Its hardly perfect but its very simple to see that way.

[Anonymous No.2652733]

>>2650827

He called them that as a way of being tongue-in-cheek polite. Are you slightly dim?

[Anonymous No.2652736]

>>2650958

Holy shit are you Peter Baron?

[Anonymous No.2652750]

>>2652716
imagine a 3D space, at a point xyz you want to have 1 more direction (call it c) so as c = 0 that point is translucent, as c increases the color at that point changes (doesn't mater how), now say ou want to move from (0,0,0,0) to (0,0,0,1) then to (1,0,0,1) then to (1,0,0,0) . this gives the overall movement from (0,0,0,0) to (1,0,0,0) by moving in the 4th dimension. to do this :

(0,0,0,0) to (0,0,0,1) : color changes from translucent to red at that point
(0,0,0,1)to (1,0,0,1): red dot moves from 0,0,0 to 1,0,0
(1,0,0,1) to (1,0,0,0) red dot becomes translucent again.

hope this helps

[Anonymous No.2652755]

>>2652661
The problem is, the guy only leads a single course, and not their education from the start. By the time they reach his course they may well not have enough knowledge to do good on it. And getting a passing grade is

This is doubly visible in Polish universities (which are mostly public), which usually are easy to enter, hard to graduate from (huge drop out rate). It's a political thing (everyone gets a chance), but horribly inefficient (many hours of education effectively go to waste) IMO. It also means educators will often get sub-par students with the expectations to weed them out. And with a baby bust generation now entering higher education, entry standards get even lower.

[Anonymous No.2652774]

Comp sci fucktards usually fail math courses, because, yes, because they're lazy.

The lecture is there to help you understand the stuff, but you have to learn it for yourself.
Mathfags do it, physicsfags do it. Comp sci idiots are so used to not having to work that they think every lecture must be this way.

ITT: lazy idiots who failed easy exams due to acute fucktardation try to place the blame on the lecturer.

protip: If I have a lecture that sucks I do not attend it and learn with a book. There's no excuse for failing a lecture besides being lazy.

[Philebus No.2652776]

>>2652750
Very helpful indeed. Thanks. If you have a moment for follow-up: is there any way to move from (x1, y1, z1, c1) to (x1, y1, z1, c2)? Or is that beyond the representational resources of this system?

(In case I've stepped on my tie again--given only one spot on the page satisfied (x1, y1, z1), I'm inferring there's only one spot on the page that satisfies (x1, y1, z1, cn) for all n.)

[Anonymous No.2652782]

The problem is, the guy only leads a single course, and not their education from the start. By the time students reach his course they may well not have enough knowledge to do good on it. And getting a passing grade is supposed to be a sort of certificate of having learned what the course teaches. You can't just lower standards, since later courses are created with the expectation that the student obtained this knowledge (which creates the same problem later in education if a teacher earlier was lax). No amount of good intentions will allow you to teach a student quantum mechanics if he has troubles with calculus.

This is doubly visible in Polish universities (which are mostly public), which usually are easy to enter, hard to graduate from (huge drop out rate). It's a political thing (everyone gets a chance), but horribly inefficient (many hours of education effectively go to waste) IMO. It also means educators will often get sub-par students with the expectations to weed them out. And with a baby bust generation now entering higher education, entry standards get even lower.

[Anonymous No.2652787]

>>2652782
*Meant as an answer to:
>>2652661

[Anonymous No.2652794]

>>2652776
yes, the only way to represent more than 1 point cn with the same zxy coordinates are to imagine them kind of like a superposition of colors. that's why you cant use this method outside of your imagination.

[Philebus No.2652803]

>>2652794
This is probably the most interesting conversation I'll have today.

[Anonymous No.2652808]

>>2652661
>Regardless of what people think it's an educator's job to get people to understand the material
that's complete bullshit, see >>2652774

[Anonymous No.2652835]

>>2652661

>American sense of entitlement.

Teachers are meant to force you to learn material by whatever means necessary.
Professors point you in the right direction.

You're an adult now, so stop behaving like a petulant child.

[Anonymous No.2652841]

>>2652794
I usually use a more imperfect method.

In my imagination, a three dimensional space is enclosed in/envisoned as a sort of cuboid (obviously possibly with an infinite volume, but fuck that, it's my imagination). Then, a fourth dimension would be a "line" of such cuboids. Many such (parallel) "lines" form a "plane", giving a fifth dimension. Then many such parallel planes form a larger "cuboid", giving a sixth dimension. Then you could further make an even higher-order line of such "cuboids" etc., yielding whatever number of dimensions you need.

Now, obviously such a Matrioshka-intuition has problems - such a being discrete, but it doesn't strain my mind that much to imagine transitional forms between all objects.

[Anonymous No.2652848]

>>2652774
So being lazy is an excuse? Whew, i'm saved!

[Anonymous No.2652855]

>>2652848

Stop being facetious.

[Philebus No.2652858]

>>2652841
Very interesting. So, if you have a moment: suppose I imagine two cubes next to each other, each with some function graphed in it. Now I want to use this to understand, say, a discrete change in c that leaves xyz untouched. How do I map the graph from the cube 1 to cube 2 so as to show that points a1 and a2 are identical in the xyz axes but differ in c?

[Anonymous No.2652881]

>>2652855
You think i'm being facetious? So that earlier was just anon being retarded with her formulation?

Disappointment.

[Anonymous No.2652886]

>>2652858

Yeah I'm having the same problem (different Anon here). It's great for understanding the function changing x,y,z over time, but that's not the same as a 4th dimension changing leaving the other 3 intact.

[Anonymous No.2652889]

>>2652858
If it's a four-dimensional problem (so, a line of cuboids each representing three-dimensional spaces), a change in the fourth dimension would shift all the points along the line of cuboids - that is, they would move from one cuboid to another (say, next or previous).

[Anonymous No.2652895]

>>2652881

No. What he meant by "excuse" was "reason". Being lazy is an excuse for failing in the respect that it is a reason for failing. It's not an acceptable excuse, however.

[Anonymous No.2652908]

>>2652889

Oh I think I understand. Each cuboid would represent 1, 2, 3... on the axis, and the ones in which the 4th dimension intersected them would be filled with the 3-dimensional x,y,z function and the others would remain empty, right?

[Anonymous No.2652912]

>>2652671
I didn't say they should move along if they don't know their shit, I said they should definitely know their shit if the teacher has to explain it 50 different ways.

[Anonymous No.2652920]

>>2652895
In that case i simply must disagree. I do not at all believe that laziness is the only possible reason for failing. That's idiotic.

[Anonymous No.2652926]

>>2652920

If you have a bad professor you teach it yourself. The professor barely teaches anyway, they just explain it once or twice and point you to what you should be reading.

[Anonymous No.2652933]

>>2652912
But that's the problem... TA's/profs in higher level classes then have to deal with a shitton of people that shouldn't have made it to that class. We try to teach those people, but really, they don't know the prereqs well enough to actually learn what we need to teach.

We can't teach applied aerodynamics to students that don't understand the basic vector calculus they were supposed to have learned in a prior course.

[Anonymous No.2652936]

>>2652926
Your point being?

[Anonymous No.2652937]

>>2652920

In the UK we have about 12 lectures a week (at least in my university), each around an hour long. Added to this is 2 supervisions, between an hour and 2 hours. For a lot of the rest of your time you're meant to be studying. If you don't you'll fall badly behind.

[Anonymous No.2652942]

>>2652936

That if you're lazy you won't do very well. It's almost always the reason for failing.

I'm trying not to patronize you here, but I seem to have to be spelling it out.

[Anonymous No.2652961]

>>2652942
Of course you won't do well if you're being lazy. I know that very well from experience. That's not the issue.

I simply took objection to the statement that there is no OTHER possible reason for failing, besides laziness.

Of course we are going to seem dense to each other when where not even discussing the same issue.

[Anonymous No.2652962]

>mfw you'll spend all this time in school to get a degree and never get the job you are studying for anyway.

[Anonymous No.2652966]

>>2652908
More or less. Pardon my paint.

[Anonymous No.2652969]

>>2652962
>implying i'm studying to get a job and not because i want to know all things

[Anonymous No.2652970]

>>2652961
of course there are other reasons to fail.

A brick for example is unlikely to ever pass an abstract algebra course.

Is the brick just lazy? I don't think so.
Is it the lecturer's fault? Not the case either, here.

But what about the brick that stops it from succeeding academically?

I think you've hit a main nerve here. Great argument.

[Anonymous No.2652993]

>>2652808
All I see is
>generalizations, generalization everywhere

This is different from my statement which should be an undisputed fact.

If the difference between teaching myself and going to college is the fucking price tag then what the fuck are the teachers getting paid for?

You'll note I said "who pays attention" specifically to not suggest people who don't want to learn can be taught.

>>2652782
Should be a major test at the start of class just like at the end, over the fundamentals that will be neccessary for the class.

Saves everyone time and helps students know what areas they need to brush up on instead of leaving them confused as to why they don't understand the lessons.

[Anonymous No.2653009]

>>2652993
Let's not grow redundancies here. The "major test at the start" are the final tests of prerequisite courses or the entrance exam for initial courses.

Also, it's not an alternative between "being taught at college" and "teaching yourself". You're supposed to do both.

[Anonymous No.2653048]

>>2652835
And as an adult I'm paying for a service, perform it or fuck off.

>>2653009
Not really, a final covers material that was covered in that particular class. Are you saying that all classes build on each other in a perfectly linear order and that it's impossible for a higher level course to let a lower level skill atrophy by underusing it?

Really the whole 'they don't know the prereqs' is just an avoidance of the problem. If the problem is really that, then a massive review needs to be conducted of education to find the specific institutions letting people through.

Also yes that is the two conclusions being presented here. If I'm paying a college to teach me it's employees should be teaching me, not telling me what part of a book that cost .005% of the course cost the next test is on.

[Anonymous No.2653103]

>>2653048
>And as an adult I'm paying for a service, perform it or fuck off.
You fucking idiot. You're studying so you'll get a job at some point. What you're paying for isn't profs holding your hands, it's a certificate saying you own a certain education.

>If I'm paying a college to teach me it's employees should be teaching me
See above. Another anon also put it succinctly:

>>2653009
>it's not an alternative between "being taught at college" and "teaching yourself". You're supposed to do both.

I'm really puzzled about what lectures you've been visiting.

I haven't had a single lecture where *not* learning on your own with a book was even an option. Seriously.. Your passive
>I paid monis, gimme edumacation
attitude is retarded. It's YOU that wants an education, the lecturer couldn't give less of a fuck if you end up sucking dick for money.

I repeat: you're paying for the degree. Self-teaching is (in terms of acquiring knowledge) a perfectly fine alternative, but it won't get you a degree.

So stop your bitching you fucking child and grow up.

[Anonymous No.2653126]

>>2652993

People don't like tests because "you should be taught that in the course anyway".

This is why I prefer the British system - the courses you take beforehand are more specialised and taken to a higher level (you only take 3 to 5 of them), and they are consistent throughout all schools as they're distributed nationally. This means the university courses are tailored to pick up where those left off, so they're a great indication of how well you'll do on the course (although not perfect).

[Anonymous No.2653139]

>>2653048

It's a two-way system , and you pay them to point you in the right direction. Stop blaming other people for your own failings.

[Anonymous No.2653148]

>>2653048

A good professor will make his course so that it picks up exactly where its prerequisites left off. Otherwise how can they expect their students to do well? If they don't, they should at least say that it is mandatory to have read books x, y and z before starting the course in addition to the prerequisites and should hold a test at the beginning of the course to weed out those that aren't up to it.

[Anonymous No.2653156]

>>2653139
>and you pay them to point you in the right direction.
AHAHAHAHAHA NO.

I pay them to educate.

If I needed pointed in the right direction I could just buy the text book outright. Read that and grab some related texts.

Also I like your attempts at ad hominem
>Stop blaming other people for your own failings.
>implying I'm not giving reason I won't waste money on college when I can teach myself better and for less money.

[Anonymous No.2653175]

>>2653156

Right, so you expect them to hold your hand throughout the entire course? I don't think you know what I mean by "pointing in the right direction". It means they'll explain it to you, show you what it is and tell you to read up on it.
Your money is also going into far more than the salaries of the professors. You get access to a constant assessment, massive amounts of resources that you'd not be able to use otherwise (labs, libraries etc.), the opportunity to make connections, the list goes on. I don't think you understand what the point of university is.

You /are/ blaming others for your own failings. You refuse to accept that it's not always the professor's fault that someone is failing a class.

[Anonymous No.2653183]

>>2653156

You don't know what ad hominem is.

Ad hominem is trying to discredit someone's argument based on an unrelated aspect of them. Such as "they don't know what they're talking about because they're a nigger" or "why would an electrician know anything about good literature" etc.

I simply pointed out a flaw in you that is the direct reason for your bad argument. Therefore it is not ad hominem.

[Anonymous No.2653215]

>>2653183
Ad hominem is any attack against the person instead of against their argument.

Further you assume that I have some sort of shortcoming which I don't have.

I simply am explaining why I would not waste money on college. I'm also explaining in a simple form the basic principle of an educator's role in education to people with their heads up their ass.

>>2653175
>I don't think you understand what the point of university is.

In America it's a social affair where people get drunk on a nightly basis and get alcohol poisoning on the weekends.

[Anonymous No.2653222]

mfw americans seem to think that university is no different from another 3 years of school that you do starting at age 18.

[Anonymous No.2653254]

Lol whoever is saying you pay them to point you in the right direction is retarded.

If you don't pay to have someone to teach you material at college, why the fuck are you even going? Do it on your own time.

[Anonymous No.2653263]

>>2653254
PROTIP: you do in fact do most of the studying in university in your own time. Lectures and instructions and shit are only a small part of it.

[Anonymous No.2653267]

>>2653263
No shit. That doesn't mean it isn't the fucking professors or tas job to suck your dick and answer every single fucking question you have.

[Anonymous No.2653270]

>>2650827

There's a difference between swearing and using swearing to directly insult students. Herp derp.

On top of that, it's University, not a High School.

[Anonymous No.2653271]

>>2653254
>Laboratories
>Libraries
>Magazine subscriptions
>Contact with people conducting actual research

[Anonymous No.2653275]

>>2653271
You can do all of that one your own.

[Anonymous No.2653298]

Wow, a real confidence builder, be a shit teacher then blame the kids for failing. What a swell guy.

[Anonymous No.2653302]

>>2653254
you don't get a degree, see >>2653103
Also as others have mentioned, there's a few things that you can't get access to easily if you want to teach shit yourself (like laboratories etc.).

>>2653222
yeah, just look at >>2653215
>In America it's a social affair where people get drunk on a nightly basis and get alcohol poisoning on the weekends.
... fucking idiot. Actually, this explains a lot. Have fun with your career at Mc Donalds.
inbefore he calls that remark "ad hominem"

>I pay them to educate.
>If I needed pointed in the right direction I could just buy the text book outright. Read that and grab some related texts.
You should really stop having strong opinions on subjects you know nothing about.

[Anonymous No.2653303]

>>2653271
>Laboratories
The usefulness of such things varying highly by what you're studying.
>Libraries
>Magazine subscriptions
Surely you're not serious.
>Contact with people conducting actual research
How vague, there are varying degrees of research some of it's vary easy to get involved with.

[Anonymous No.2653341]

>>2653303
see >>2653103

[Anonymous No.2653349]

>>2653302
>thinks American colleges aren't factually about partying hard until graduation

I've tried to give you the benefit of the doubt but you have got to be a troll.

As far as my career goes though, $30k-100k is actually the income range I'll be working in starting next year.

>>2653103
Wow how'd I miss this one.

This post contains probably the only legitimate alternative to my conclusions.

And it's this part only
>What you're paying for isn't profs [teaching anything], it's a certificate saying you own a certain education.

[Anonymous No.2653375]

>>2653275
>$5 000 000 biochemistry lab I'm taught at.
>You can do it on your own.

I do agree that for some majors, you could just just as well learn on your own and it's a pity any certification proving you have done so won't carry as much weight as an university education.

[Anonymous No.2653406]

>>2650837
>>2650832
>>2650830
>post-communist country
>asshole lecturers
>everyone instantly knows it's poland

Is there some meme about Polish higher education that I'm unaware of? I didn't even know they had one.

[Anonymous No.2653439]

Seriously I'm tired of this notion that it's always the educator that has to do everything. I've seen this mentality throughout gradeschool, highschool and now college. It's always convenient to blame the teacher for failing a course/test.

Why are you fucks so self entitled?

[Anonymous No.2653452]

>>2653406
polandball is high tier meme

[Anonymous No.2653491]

>>2653439
>mfw I just realized grade school and grad school are just a letter apart

[Anonymous No.2653537]

>>2653452
about being assholes? i think not

[Anonymous No.2653544]

>>2653439
Ya, because the person who grades and teaches you has NOTHING to do with you passing a course, regardless of their quality.

>lol

[Anonymous No.2653636]

>>2653544
>NOTHING
Less than you in any case.

[Anonymous No.2653753]

>>2653215

Wrong. An ad hominem attack is using an aspect of the person to discredit their argument. There is a difference.

[Anonymous No.2653770]

>>2653303

Enjoy your local library whilst I bask in the glory of 12 million books!

[Anonymous No.2653774]

>>2653544

I've people lectured by Stephen Hawking fail a fucking course. They still said he was a shit teacher. I lol'd.

[Anonymous No.2653778]

>>2653303

>HURR DURR VAGUE OBJECTIONS WITH NO GROUNDING

Get real, you know this to be true but you're too up your own ass to admit it.

[Anonymous No.2653787]

>>2653349

It's because your courses are too fucking easy. We have an exchange program between our uni and MIT, and their students are a year ahead of us studying the same material (Galois Theory, Algebraic Topology etc.). It's a fucking joke.

[Anonymous No.2653972]

>>2653774
wheelchair bound celebrity does not an educator make

[Philebus No.2654772]

>>2652966
I just got back from being gone all day and I wanted to say THANKS for taking the time to explain this. Sadly, this WAS the most interesting conversation I've had all day.

[Anonymous No.2654783]

>>2654772
it is extremely sad that the most interesting conversation you had was on sci, but I also have those kind of days...alot

[Anonymous No.2655113]

>>2654772
No problem bro.

I've always found it interesting to learn how people envision/map out concepts they know. Some can be quite inventive.

[Anonymous No.2655145]

A true story that happened to a friend of mine.
>Chemistry professor demands 1 inch margins on papers.
>Measures with a ruler.
>Deducts 5 points for every page with an incorrect margin.
>Friend writes final paper with 1 and a quarter inch margin.
>Gets -40 on the essay.
We laughed about it for days.

[Anonymous No.2655231]

>>2650960
Fucking lol.

[Anonymous No.2655306]

>>2652774
THIS THIS SO MUCH THIS

[Anonymous No.2655307]

>>2655231
>>2650960
There used to be a time when we could have such lulz as well, no harm done. Now it would be a scandal which could cost a brillaint man his job. Sad thing is, I'm sure Poland will soon join us in our retardedness.

[Anonymous No.2655309]

>>2655145

What the fuck?

[Anonymous No.2655318]

>>2650960
What an asshole

[Anonymous No.2655330]

>>2655307

People can't laugh at themselves, especially in America. Whenever they come over here (UK), they're very friendly but incredibly easy to offend. It's a shame, really.

[Anonymous No.2655354]

>>2655307
Those were the times Jebediah, them Negroes also had to know their place.

[Anonymous No.2655372]

>>2655354

There's a difference between a joke and outright discrimination. It's your attitude that's created the ridiculous "political correctness" environment that we live in today.

[Anonymous No.2655374]

>>2655318
>be female
>study electronics
>be angry the field is dominated by males

[Anonymous No.2655383]

>>2655372
Because accusing you of chasing after huge dicks isn't discrimination, rite?

[Anonymous No.2655385]

>>2655374
No, he's just an asshole.
Insulting the girls because they were offended by his jokes.
If you weren't bright enough to get it, the punchline was "because women from Sosnowiec are huge cunts", and those girls were from Sosnowiec.

[Anonymous No.2655437]

>>2655383

It's called taking the piss. He obviously wasn't being serious.

Are you slightly dim, or just looking to take offence on behalf of someone else?

[Anonymous No.2655447]

>>2655437
Not really "someone else", misogyny is insulting to all females, not only the particular victim.

[Anonymous No.2655460]

>>2655437
If I were in his class I would have punched him in the face just for being an immature asshat.
Screw him being sexist, I just don't want my professor acting like a moronic high schooler and making shitty jokes all the time while I'm trying to learn.

[Anonymous No.2655501]

>>2655447
>>2655460

Learn to take the piss out of yourself. I'm a girl and I find that sort of shit hilarious.

[Anonymous No.2655527]

>>2655501
Read my post woman, or get back to the kitchen.
I don't give a shit about sexism, I just don't want my professor acting like a moronic child.
I go to class to learn, not to listen to crass, unfunny jokes

[Anonymous No.2655531]

>>2655447

You /are/ dim then.

You don't understand that he wasn't being serious, only making a joke.

[Anonymous No.2655540]

>>2655527

Enjoy you're boring classes then.

[Anonymous No.2655553]

>>2655447
>>2655527

you go to class to find a man who will look after your financial and physical needs

any incidental learning is a bonus

it's not like you're going to get anywhere with a science career is it now dear? you'd need a dick of your own for that

[Anonymous No.2655575]

>>2655540
lrn2english

[Anonymous No.2655583]

>>2655553
Hi there.

pic related

[Anonymous No.2655588]

>>2655527
Indeed.
With educators like these it's no wonder that there are so many stupid Polish people

[Anonymous No.2655594]

>>2655540
I am boring classes? What?

[Anonymous No.2655608]

>>2655575
>>2655594

Oh /sci/, I am disappoint.

[Anonymous No.2655631]

girls are given dolls because they like dolls not the other way around

ffs

bitches and logic, what a fucking travesty

[Anonymous No.2655654]

>>2655631
>implying toddlers have opinions

[Anonymous No.2655678]

>implying toddlers don't have gender

[Anonymous No.2655703]

Girls can be engineers. Just raise them in front of a television until they're autistic.

[Anonymous No.2655710]

An English teacher of mine in high school said that men design phallic inventions because they make them look like penises.

I shit you not, her examples were airplanes and swords.

[Anonymous No.2655741]

>>2655710

Ask her for non-phallic alternatives and watch her face.

[Anonymous No.2655742]

>>2652774
Compsci students are coming from a field with a coherent terminology and actually well-written textbooks. When they actually face other subjects their usual, spoiled, approach tends to collapse due to inexperience.

[Anonymous No.2655775]

>>2655741
helicopters and axes fuckwit

[Anonymous No.2655781]

>>2655703
HACK MY ANUS

[Anonymous No.2655785]

>>2655775
A helicopter is not a viable alternative to an airplane. Both have their uses, but they are not interchangeable.

Same goes for axes.

[Anonymous No.2655793]

This kind of shit makes me terrified to take a science course beyond gen. eds in college.

[Anonymous No.2655819]

>>2655775

BECAUSE HELICOPTERS CAN GO SUPERSONIC AND AXES ARE MORE EFFICIENT THAN SWORDS AT HAND TO HAND COMBAT, RIGHT?

[Anonymous No.2655832]

>>2655785

they fly

they hurt

end of

[Anonymous No.2655847]

>>2655832

Republitard detected.

I'd like to see your 800 seat helicopters that can cross the Atlantic in 5 hours.

[Anonymous No.2655877]

>>2652698

Doubt you'll see my response, but yeah, I'm an American. However, I didn't mean that my professors are unwilling to give their time (though of course some are). It's simply that they're bombarded by tons of people during their office hours bitching about tests being too hard or trying to find out what's going to be on the final, etc. I still can, and do ask them questions by e-mail, but I never get to know any of them, which is a problem because I really wanna do research with my current ochem prof (he does research in organometallics, which I think is just about the coolest thing ever) and it's hard to get the opportunity to ask if he's only ever talked to me face to face twice. He also thinks my first name is my last name and vice versa because they're both common first names and via university email my name shows up as: Surname, Forename.

[Anonymous No.2655906]

>>2655877

It seem to be the American culture to complain until they get what they want. I don't think they realise that this requires more effort than actually doing the damned work.

[Anonymous No.2655915]

>>2655906

Given how litigious we've become as a society, I can't really argue against the point.

[Anonymous No.2655934]

Email him for an appointment and suck up you lazy bitch.

Life don't wait for you to sit around. Nevermind, somebody else just got the internship. Go back to /b/

[Anonymous No.2655936]

>>2655915

It's like the rich couples who argue over the money in a divorce that both come out penniless as they've spent it all on legal fees.

[Anonymous No.2655945]

>>2655710
Should have corrected her logic. It's more to say that 'phallic' shaped objects tend to be of the most simple structure that is of a lot of use. So the penis is shaped a that way for a reason, rather than to say objects are shaped like a penis. In lesser words if you are more gifted with words than I.
tl;dr your teacher is a sexist cunt (not that men aren't sexist either, but I digress)

[Anonymous No.2655973]

>>2655934

Assuming you were replying to >>2655877

Set up an appointment for what? "Hey Professor, wanna chill and drink some beers so you can get to know me as a student and potentially deign to accept me as an undergraduate research assistant?"

I could ask at any time, it's about improving my chances that he'll accept me.

[Anonymous No.2656004]

>>2652962
>>2652962
>>2652962
>>2652962
>>2652962
>>2652962
>>2652962

pretty much. get your overpriced piece of paper, that doesn't hold any weight in a good percentage of jobs.

experience will always dominate

[Anonymous No.2656015]

>>2656004

Maybe in American Uni's.

Down here we actually learn pernitent shit, as well as the theory.

[Anonymous No.2656423]

>>2655877
>>2655973

Knuckle down bitch. Drop everything you would spend your time doing for a week that isn't other classes and write some kick ass questions about your next assignment. Go to office hours. Ask good questions about assignment, then his work. Mention interest.

You'll never impress him with your total knowledge. That's why he is teaching you. Look better than the other dumbfucks who spent their week getting high. He'll want you in that lab if you ask.

Or suck his dick and get it on videotape.

[Anonymous No.2656580]

>>2656423

That's pretty much what I've been trying to do, however, I can only make his office hours once a week due to conflicts with lab and his general lack of office hours. It's good advice though, and I would follow through with it if this upcoming week weren't dead week for me (fucking quarter system). We also rotate professors for each of the three terms, so this week's office hours are my last chance for regular office hours. Any advice on bugging him with questions outside of that and not coming off as an annoying waste of time? He has been generally much nicer to me than some other students I've talked with who submitted email questions, if that helps you gauge it.

[Anonymous No.2656590]

>>2655583

feminists cannot into understanding the difference between causality and correlation.

i wonder how long they will have to have massive incentives and lower standards for females in most technical fields with no major progress towards 50% 'equality' before the feminists (who 99.99999% of freely choose to not go into said fields) realize that women are just not interested in them for various reasons.

[Anonymous No.2657616]

>>2656580

bumping for more advice.