/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.2642816]

>Tesla was critical of Einstein's relativity work, calling it:
>
...[a] magnificent mathematical garb which fascinates, dazzles and makes people blind to the underlying errors. The theory is like a beggar clothed in purple whom ignorant people take for a king ... its exponents are brilliant men but they are metaphysicists rather than scientists ...[77]

u mad metaphysicists

[Anonymous No.2642830]

tesla was an engineer

/story

[Anonymous No.2642841]

Tesla was right.
Today we know for a fact Einstein was full of shit.

After all, Kurt Gödel's sodomy of Albert's equations was a bad omen for relativity.

[Anonymous No.2642862]

I was reading about this just last night. Tesla was WAY AHEAD of his time, and way ahead of Einstein.

He thought that the idea that "matter had energy" was ridiculous. Tesla thinks of energy just like he thinks about electricity: it comes from something else, not matter itself.

Why did they try to make Tesla forgotten? The man literally invented the modern age and few people know of him and his inventions.

[Anonymous No.2642867]

>>2642841

>After all, Kurt Gödel's sodomy of Albert's equations was a bad omen for relativity.

Fucking truth.

[Anonymous No.2642929]

>>2642841
I was not aware that Einstein's theories were disproved. Could someone tell me why relativity is bullshit? I know little of these things.

[Anonymous No.2642953]

>>2642929

Einstein's theories are pretty but they don't fucking like any other theory and is a thorn in the balls.

[Anonymous No.2642955]

>>2642929

Kurt was feeling like he should troll someone. He was bored in his office at Princeton. Being a lvl 9999+ mathematician, he felt like whipping his cock and thrusting in and out of someone else's equations.

He played Rick Astley in his Ipod while he proceeded to write a paper proving that Albert's equations allowed the possibility of time travel.

Alby's mind was blown so hard that it spread to his lacrymal ducts, and he cried himself to sleep until the end of his life.

True story.

[Anonymous No.2642974]

I've done 6 years of engineering classes at University (BS and MS) and at no point did I use Relativity, even for my orbital mechanics...it's virtually useless in the real world.

[Anonymous No.2642978]

>>2642974

E=mc² is useful, if only to know how nukes work.

[Anonymous No.2642998]

>>2642974

Oh hai, u must be a civil douche.

Aerospace here, use it all the time when we send satellites to Andromeda.

[Anonymous No.2643005]

>>2642998

Andromeda is one quadzillion light years away from the Milky Way =/

[Anonymous No.2643007]

>>2642841
>Today we know for a fact Einstein was full of shit.

Um, no.

>>2642862
>way ahead of Einstein.

Also no.

>>2642929
>I was not aware that Einstein's theories were disproved.

They weren't.

>>2642953
>Einstein's theories are pretty

...and have yet to make an inaccurate prediction.

[Anonymous No.2643012]

>>2642998

I AM aerospace...but I work with aircraft and road vehicle aerodynamics.

[Anonymous No.2643016]

>>2643007

Kurt Gödel, do you speak it?

[Anonymous No.2643022]

>>2642974

You...do realize GPS satellites are so accurate that they must take GR into account. Like, your car GPS wouldn't work if satellites used only classical physics.

[Anonymous No.2643025]

>>2642974

MOAR

[Anonymous No.2643028]

>>2642816
I have a lot of respect for Tesla, and I really wish he hadn't gone splat. I would have like to understand why exactly he was critical of Einstein's relativity work.

[Anonymous No.2643032]

>>2642974
>it's virtually useless in the real world.

Almost, but not quite. For example, GPS wouldn't work properly if it didn't compensate for relativistic effects.

[Anonymous No.2643036]

>>2643007

Butthurt detected.

[Anonymous No.2643041]

>>2643032

Indeed. But that's about the only application I can think of it, really.

[Anonymous No.2643042]

>>2643016
>Kurt Gödel, do you speak it?

I understand that you read an article or whatever, but the fact is that relativity has passed every experimental test we've been able to put to it.

[Anonymous No.2643046]

What about the photoelectric effect? Useless, huh!??

[Anonymous No.2643048]

>>2643042

Because any test is based on these very theories. How could it fail?

[Anonymous No.2643050]

>>2643028
He went splat?

[Anonymous No.2643060]

>>2643042

Read an article ?
I'm a physicist, I'd like to think I've read more than one article.

Einstein's relativity is flawed. Terribly flawed. Results that remain incoherent with his theory just get pretty names : dark energy, dark matter, etc.

[Anonymous No.2643064]

>>2643041
>Indeed. But that's about the only application I can think of it, really.

Well sure, as far as practical applications go. It only matters when something is very fast and/or very massive. So it matters for space exploration and particle accelerators, but not much the average person will ever encounter in real life.

[Anonymous No.2643072]

>>2643060

This anon fucking PAWNS the world. MOAR!

[Anonymous No.2643078]

>>2643048
no. tests use the theory to make predictions and then see if they match observation, they do.

[Anonymous No.2643081]

>>2643048
>Because any test is based on these very theories. How could it fail?

Please tell me you're trolling, and you really do know what an experiment is.

[Anonymous No.2643088]

>>2643060
>>2643072

This anon is SAMEFAG, and NOT REALLY A PHYSICIST.

[Anonymous No.2643097]

>>2643060

Your'e trollin'

[Anonymous No.2643102]

>>2643088

Nope. I'm really a physicist and I don't quote myself. I don't like myself that much, to be honest.

[Anonymous No.2643107]

>>2643097

Trolling? Do explain.

[Anonymous No.2643110]

>>2643081

Name ONE experiment that proves Einstein was right. Just one.

[Anonymous No.2643112]

>>2643050
he accomplished a lot, but he's not very well known and a lot of the stuff he did has kind of been forgotten

for example, I believe he thought that he could send very large amounts of energy through space without wires, but I don't think that this was every advanced, seeing as how we still use goddamn wires all over the place

[Anonymous No.2643119]

>>2643072

I posted that, I'm not the physicist. We're not same fagging. I know nothing about physics.

[Anonymous No.2643132]

I admire and respect Tesla but he was wrong
Relativity has been proven to be correct multiple times
Perhaps he disagreed with it for the same reason Einstein disagreed with Quantum theory
It was counter intuitive

[Anonymous No.2643133]

Comparing apples to oranges all up in this bitch. This is a stupid argument from the very beginning, and you are all wasting your time.

>>2643060
>>2643072

Also, fucking samefag.

[Anonymous No.2643137]

>>2643133

i smell jelly

[Anonymous No.2643142]

>>2643110
He made a prediction that during a solar eclipse the sum the gravity of the moon and sun would bend light and make stars appear in a different position.
It was after this experiment that Einstein gained credibility and was launched into stardom

[Anonymous No.2643145]

>>2643112

Tesla's material, confiscated by the FBI in 1940, after he died, containing more than a wagonload of notes and material, IS STILL CLASSIFIED.

Explain why this shit would be CLASSIFIED in 2011? What's so fucking amazing about Tesla's final works that the government should keep it a secret even 71 years later?

[Anonymous No.2643146]

>>2643110
That one where they found the sun distorted light during a solar eclipse.

[Anonymous No.2643153]

>>2643110
Take clock, put it on airplane, fly around the world. Clock ends up with slightly less time on it than one that sat still. Therefore: time dilation occurs, so special relativity fits.

What were tesla's ideas about spacetime? We're comparing Tesla as a scientist and dude we know and love to Einstein's predictions that pertain to general relativity... This is dumb.

[Anonymous No.2643154]

>>2643145
bureaucratic inefficiency.

[Anonymous No.2643159]

>>2643145
>What's so fucking amazing about Tesla's final works that the government should keep it a secret even 71 years later?
HAARP

[Anonymous No.2643160]

>>2643142

Proof of that?

[Anonymous No.2643162]

>>2643145

MHD

[Anonymous No.2643167]

>>2643160
I saw it on a documentary...

[Anonymous No.2643169]

>>2643153

That's just silly.

[Anonymous No.2643180]

>>2643162

What's MDH?

[Anonymous No.2643187]

>>2643167

Awesome proof...

[Anonymous No.2643188]

>>2643180

MHD => Magnetohydrodynamics, is a whole field of science that is classified, and where 99% of the research reports to the Pentagon (Russia still has some labs).

[Anonymous No.2643191]

>>2643154

You're extremely naive if you think that. Why would they even classify the stuff to begin with, retard.

[Anonymous No.2643202]

>>2643188

Thanks!

[Anonymous No.2643204]

>>2643191
They classified to begin with so the soviets wouldn't get a sneaky peek.

[Anonymous No.2643209]

>>2643191
Because there was shit in there like a vibrator that could supposedly bring a building down. It's all worthless garbage, and the government doesn't care enough to declassify it. Nobody should.

[Anonymous No.2643211]

>>2643204

If that were true, why weren't these documents declassified in 1991?

[Anonymous No.2643212]

>>2643110
>Name ONE experiment that proves Einstein was right. Just one.

That's not how science works. You don't prove things right. You try to prove them wrong and fail. As for experiments, that's super easy to Google, but here ya go:

http://www.phys.ncku.edu.tw/mirrors/physicsfaq/Relativity/SR/experiments.html

There's lots.

[Anonymous No.2643218]

>>2643209

CIA agent detected. (Or a massive faggot.)

[Anonymous No.2643224]

i love this
every time gravity comes up
>but dark energy, dark matter so gravity is wrong
if any of you who do this were physicists you would know that since the discovery of dark matter in the 1930's people have been trying to correct Einstein's equations to compensate even star again, more so with dark energy
but to no success
and yet relativity is confirmed in more and more precise experiments (pulsar timing, the gravity probes...)
so yes dark energy and dark matter are annoying but that doesn't mean they aren't physical
much smarter people than you have been trying for a long time and haven't improved on Einstein

[Anonymous No.2643226]

>>2643212

Prove this article says the truth.

[Anonymous No.2643229]

>>2643209
>vibrator that could supposedly bring a building down

My cock can bring a building down, no batteries or classified secrets required.

[Anonymous No.2643231]

Relativity fails on gravity waves

[Anonymous No.2643232]

>>2643224

You guys know nothing of what's really going down. There is such a thing as hyperdimensional physics, and it is occulted by the powers that be for very good reasons (good to them).

learn2torsionphysics

[Anonymous No.2643239]

>>2643226
>Prove this article says the truth.

0/10

Caught you. Nobody is that stupid.

[Anonymous No.2643242]

>>2643224

Yeah, I said that earlier on. Your point?

[Anonymous No.2643250]

>>2643188
magnetohydrodynamics isn't classified it's a huge part of plasma physics and solar astronomy
recently did a project using it

you can't just classify bits of a large topic in science like MHD or pretty quickly people notice its missing and more and more people publish

its not classified try again

[Anonymous No.2643251]

>>2643239

Easier to go hominem than to actually prove this article is true.

[Anonymous No.2643262]

>>2643209
>vibrator that could bring a building down
Source here.

[Anonymous No.2643273]

>>2643231
no gravity waves have not been directly observed yet but that doesn't mean they aren't there
pulsar spin down rates are consistent with them
current detectors simply are not sensitive enough yet
give it a few years nobody expects to see them until LIGO is upgraded again so it can achieve it's design sensitivity

[Anonymous No.2643282]

>>2643226

Well, it cites dozens of well known experiments. Are you suggesting it's all part of a massive conspiracy? What sort of proof are you looking for?

[Anonymous No.2643288]

>>2643273
>No proof
>Still believe in them
>Creationist detected

[Anonymous No.2643291]

>>2643232
shut the hell up
leave the crazy tinfoil shit out of this board please
if you have solid evidence of anything you're saying go ahead if no piss off

[Anonymous No.2643293]

>>2643250

Wasn't precise enough, sorry.

Call it RMHD, R standing for Relevant.
That is, cold plasma MHD.

[Anonymous No.2643313]

>>2643288
creationism has direct evidence against it and no theoretical backing

gravitational waves is based on a theory which has stood for 90 years and has indirect evidence of pulsar spin down in evidence

just because you haven't seen it yet doesn't mean it isn't there

0/10

[Anonymous No.2643317]

>>2643291
>crazy tinfoil shit

Any mention of Tesla makes that inevitable. For some reason, he has become their patron saint.

[Anonymous No.2643322]

>>2643262
All they proved is that vibration can be felt from one end of a bridge to the other, and then theorized that maybe it would have come down eventually but who knows.

Tesla's "earthquake machine" was notable because it was able to produce a very pure sinusoidal forcing function, but if really only had a magnitude of five pounds it couldn't bring down a building. At least as long as it wasn't made out of paper.

[Anonymous No.2643331]

>>2643282

Pointing out that since I don't know these dozens of experiments, I have to take your word for it, and the words of the people who made them.

In other words, we must rely on faith.

Problem?

[Anonymous No.2643343]

>>2643291

You're the scientist, not me, you prove to me hyperdimensional physics is bullshit and why, and how.

If you can't, then you shut the fuck up and go away.

[Anonymous No.2643353]

>>2643343

Time to look up scepticism, babby.

[Anonymous No.2643365]

>>2643353

A skeptic doubts and asks questions. That's what I do. Prove me wrong, faggot.

[Anonymous No.2643368]

>>2643293
there is plenty of work into MHD in cold plasma check arxiv

you can't censor science
after the first atomic bomb test a physicist calculated the yield of the blast using dimensional analysis and was correct to within 10%
the military tried to prevent him from publishing and it ended up on every news paper in the world

sections of science don't disappear
there are researchers in almost every country and many with private funding not everyone is under control
and scientists are a stubborn people

and whose word are we supposed to go on that this field is censored
tesla and his fanboys
the man was a serial liar and egomaniac he made up so much shit its unbelievable
he was brilliant ill give him that but some stuff was pure fantasy
even when he was alive people proved his inventions bullshit but he wouldn't have it

he was a liar there is no censored field of physics

[Anonymous No.2643381]

>>2643368

How was Tesla a liar?

[Anonymous No.2643382]

>>2643313
>Theory makes a prediction
>All evidence proves prediction wrong
>Other predictions are proved wrong
>Still believe in theory
>Creationist detected

[Anonymous No.2643383]

>>2643368

Quit being so naive, will you.
Relevant MHD labs don't exist outside of military control.

You censor science by cutting funding.

[Anonymous No.2643389]

>>2643343
>hyperdimensional physics
google search
>“Vortex atoms” -- tiny, self-sustaining “whirlpools” in the so-called ether
>envisioned by William Thompson and James Clerk Maxwell
both of whom abandoned the aether after the The Michelson–Morley experiment

there bullshit

[Anonymous No.2643395]

>>2643383
yes and what i'm saying is not every one is funded by the us government now are they

[Anonymous No.2643400]

>>2643389

Is it impossible that they abandoned something that was viable?

I'm reading science on aether currently. Shit has been doctored to sound retarded.

[Anonymous No.2643401]

>>2643382
and which predictions of general relativity have been confirmed false?

[Anonymous No.2643403]

>>2643395

Unless some major agency with major fundings can finance you, you won't be doing much in modern science.

[Anonymous No.2643413]

bullshit on this whole no censored science.

there is a shit ton of censored science. most of it is private corporations, particularly pharmaceuticals, but also every other major industry as well. the public will never see the VAST majority of merck's research, or boeing's, or monsanto's or conagra's, or yum brands', or wal-mart's...it just won't happen. its all censored from the public

[Anonymous No.2643414]

>>2643401
Gravity waves and >>2643060

[Anonymous No.2643421]

>>2643400
no its was retarded then as well
the world is not a global conspiracy you can buy the books by these people on the aether and you can check they are the original text

and no the The Michelson–Morley experiment pretty much rules out the aether unless you reinterpret the aether as not a fluid in which case it is now space

[Anonymous No.2643437]

>>2643421

I interpret the aether as not a fluid.

[Anonymous No.2643444]

>>2643414
dark matter and dark energy do not violate relativity they may be awkward but so were the strong and weak forces it doesn't meant they aren't there

and as i said before gravity waves have not been directly observed but they have indirectly
there is no lack of results the instruments just aren't sensitive to detect the order of fluctuations predicted by relativity yet

try again

[Anonymous No.2643452]

>>2643444

What are "gravity waves"?

[Anonymous No.2643453]

>>2643444

Okay, so being violated is just "awkward" sex for you? Luckily for you, there are no wimminz on /sci/.

[Anonymous No.2643457]

>>2643437
then it's not the aether any more
the aether was theorized to give light a material to propagate in
it would have to be a fluid otherwise how could objects move
if you say it is not a fluid then it is nothing it is just ordinary space
like current theory

[Anonymous No.2643464]

>>2643452
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_wave

[Anonymous No.2643466]

>>2643444
>Prediction fails
>BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWW EQUIPMENT IZ BAD BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW
>GIEFS MOAR MONEES!!!!1!!@!@!!@11!!!!!@!@@2!!!!!!
0/10

[Anonymous No.2643481]

>>2643016

Do you even know what the incompleteness theorems are? They have nothing to do with physics.

[Anonymous No.2643487]

>>2643481

I'm refering to time travel within relativity.
Derp derp.

[Anonymous No.2643489]

>>2643466
shut the fuck up
the instruments were designed to achieve a level of sensitivity which original they did not meet just like any other sensitive experiment
once they reach that level there will either be gravitational waves or there wont

then you can say relativity is false but not before

[Anonymous No.2643494]

>>2643489

Shut up already. Einstein is invalid in 2011. End of discussion.

[Anonymous No.2643509]

>>2643489
>Fail predictions
>Fanboys defend theory that has been shown to be wrong

Just accept the truth and start working on a theory that doesn't fail

[Anonymous No.2643533]

You sci-guys like to rate each other.

Homos.

[Anonymous No.2643579]

I thread full of trolls and retards, a sad sight to behold...

[Anonymous No.2643616]

>>2643579

Troll detected.