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2641294 No.2641294 [Reply] [Original]

>He thinks the arts are useless

>> No.2641295

>he thinks politics is not a science

>> No.2641297
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2641297

>>2641294
Well it certainly doesn't guarantee any career opportunities, my fine gentleman.

>> No.2641298

What is this meme called? 'Sensible he'?

>he thinks race is not a social construct

>> No.2641301
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My history teacher is an intelligent, open minded woman always ready to receive a rebut to what she says and counters it with a civil debate.

My neuroscience teacher chucked a tantrum when one of the adult learners presented a (good) pro-creationist arguments.

For a field that claims to be unbiased, it sure has a lot against God/theism/the arts/philosophy etc

When I want a piece of technology built I'll turn to science, when I went to discover the true meaning of the Universe, or tackle the human equation, or build practical relevant theories I'll turn to the arts. theology, philosophy or the social sciences.

Both are good, fuck off faggots.

>> No.2641303

>>2641297
There are never any guaranteed career opportunities. Your opportunities are entirely decided by your own efforts to create those opportunities.

>> No.2641309

>>2641301

> a (good) pro-creationist arguments.

It was about time they had one. Could you spill it for the rest of us?

>> No.2641313

>>2641309
I don't remember, but our teacher called her a "close minded, arrogant fool" and pretty much threw his microphone to the ground like a baby. It was pretty embarrasing day for science.

>> No.2641319

>>2641298
It started with pictures of laughing girls saying things like:
>He (does something immature or stupid, etc.)

>> No.2641330

>>2641309

> I don't remember

Well then until you remember, creationism still has no valid arguments going for it.

The argument must have been pretty retarded if a neuroscience teacher flips the fuck out. I highly doubt your history teacher is as intelligent and open minded as you make her out to be. I predict her to be as retarded as that woman in that interview with Richard Dawkins.

>> No.2641332

>>2641330
Now you're being an even bigger baby then my professor.

>> No.2641335

>>2641332
in that case your professor wasnt a baby at all because >>2641330 didnt act like a baby

>> No.2641342

>>2641330
>>2641335

Obvious samefag

>> No.2641340

>>2641335

I second this person's reply. I am not acting like a baby. I stated a fact about the arguments of creationism, followed by a prediction of the validity of your history teacher's argument, which you have forgotten but still seem to find of importance.

>> No.2641346

>>2641335
Oh really? Well let's see then.

>creationism still has no valid arguments going for it.
Ignoring plenty of arguments that are still being debated until this day.

>The argument must have been pretty retarded
Assuming the argument was retarded based on nothing

>I highly doubt your history teacher is as intelligent and open minded as you make her out to be
Assuming that my teacher isn't smart.

>I predict her to be as retarded as that woman in that interview with Richard Dawkins.
Calling someone who doesn't agree with your opinion a retard.

You're a fucking sooky baby.

>> No.2641350

>>2641346

lol you suck at spotting samefags

>> No.2641351

>>2641342

If you are the OP then I can't help but feel somewhat sorry for you. You have been, as far as I can tell from my point of view, utterly crushed in this debate. Whether or not I'm samefagging, which I'm not, but feel free to believe whatever you like, doesn't matter. Take it like a man and learn something.

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They're useless when wasted on you because you have no talent. You are why modern art is pseudo-intellectual uncreative bullshit and the taxpayer shouldn't foot the bill for your narcissism.

>> No.2641360

>>2641346

> Ignoring plenty of arguments that are still being debated until this day.

Debated by no-one but creationists themselves.

> Assuming the argument was retarded based on nothing

I assumed the argument was retarded because not only did a neuroscience teacher flip out upon hearing it, but it seems to be of so little importance that the guy has completely forgotten about it.

> Assuming that my teacher isn't smart.

That assumption is based on my previous conclusion.

> Calling someone who doesn't agree with your opinion a retard.

Natural selection is not an opinion, it is a fact. Someone disagreeing with facts is indeed a retard.

> You're a fucking sooky baby.

The need to attack my person proves that you are incapable of attacking my arguments.

>> No.2641422

>>2641360
Well how about you shut the fuck up for a few minutes and analyse my arguments?

>> No.2643220

Disregarding the first greentext I like the fact that when studying science you don't have to debate or try to push anything.
What you learn is truth. If someone tries to contradict you, you can simply tell them "Well if you do not agree with me, reproduce the experiment."
Scientists might sound smug but what is fact is fact.
It's been actually quite a while anything science-proven has been proved wrong.
In science you're always very careful of the words you're using so that you're never wrong. You say "correlation" before saying "causality" and you'd rather say you do not know yet than throwing a tantrum.

>> No.2643257

>>2641346
>Ignoring plenty of arguments that are still being debated until this day.

Like?

>> No.2643278

>>2641330
>Richard Dawkins

I'd say "Stopped Reading There!", but that was the end of the sentence.

Fuck you.

>> No.2643292

Arts aren't useless. They're just... of lesser value.

>> No.2643310

>>2641294
>he thinks that failing organic chem makes you able to say what is and isn't useful

>> No.2643316

>>2643292
Nope.

Visual and performing arts, maybe. But Philosophy is the original science, bro, and chemistry and psychology only go so far in understanding people and the environments they make for themselves. There are other things worthy of study (assuming you aren't an aspie)

>> No.2643354

>>2643316
>There are other things worthy of study
Things that cannot be studied by scientific means cannot be studied at all, though. Philosophy does not/can not provide definitive answers to anything.

Besides, I wouldn't put philosophy under the umbrella of "arts" in the first place.

>> No.2643360

The arts are very useful, life in first-world countries would suck without them.

Art degrees, on the other hand, are quite useless.

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>>2643354
>Things that cannot be studied by scientific means cannot be studied at all, though.
>Philosophy does not/can not provide definitive answers to anything.

>Besides, I wouldn't put philosophy under the umbrella of "arts" in the first place.

>> No.2643379

>>2643316
The social sciences and philosophy don't count as "arts". What are you on, bro?

>> No.2643386

>>2643363
>Word count: 38
>Argument count: 0
I see dat philosophy is working wonders for you.

>> No.2643415

>>2643386
I'm starting to wonder if this is Aether. It's not quite stupid enough but then again he CAN only use semantic arguments, so who knows.

>> No.2643484

>>2643379

they fit under the umbrella of 'liberal arts'.

also lol at the creationist fag in here. 'he had an awesome argument i just cannot remember or reproduce it.'

how these people manage to figure out how to use computers is a mystery to me.

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>>2643484
I don't think that was the point of his post. More like how science people are rabidly defensive over SCIENCE like a religious fanatic would be about their faith

>> No.2643531

>>2643498
With the main difference being that the science people have arguments where the religious fundamentalist have fallacies.

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>>2643531
both have their time and place

>> No.2643583

>>2643566
I don't think there's ever a time and place where religious fundamentalism isn't a bad idea.

>> No.2643622

>>2643531

this. the beautiful thing about science is that once a fair amount of evidence against something has been gathered and/or enough evidence for a competing viewpoint has been gathered, the belief shifts.

this is the fundamental difference between science and religion.

>>2643566

explain to me the time when logical fallacies and fundamentalism is good.

look, i have zero problem with people being religious and believing whatever the fuck they want to. i have a massive problem with them lobbying to get their religion taught in science classes or using pseudo science to attempt to debunk real scientific knowledge.

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>>2643583
I meant religion/the arts and "science"

>>2643622
>the beautiful thing about science is that once a fair amount of evidence against something has been gathered and/or enough evidence for a competing viewpoint has been gathered, the belief shifts.
actually it is notoriously difficult to get a theory accepted in the scientific community even if you've got adequate data and all that. biology is the worst about this, iirc. For every Michio Kaku, there's a gros of professors who got denied for research grants and the like because their ideas didn't fit into whatever's popular

meanwhile, go ask a Rabbi about your gay son and he'll probably say something along the lines of "Well, the Torah says it's a no-no, but we've all agreed that it's sorta silly today so I hope you choose this synagogue for the boy's wedding when he finds a hubby!"

you should stop treating "science" as though it's the end-all be-all of everything you should believe in the world. hell, you should stop treating "science" as a single fucking entity, sorta like how "religion" isn't all one big thing that's responsible for every crisis in the world ever

>> No.2643691

Look: there is no science of how to live. There is no science of what is of real value and what is idle. There is no science of government, of ethics, of family life, of love. There is no science of history, of beauty, of loyalty, of courage. Science is untouchable for the rational understanding of what we can observe and measure reliably and repeatedly. But there's a hell of a lot more to think about than that.

ITT a bunch of nerds pretending to have ideas about human life.

>> No.2643724

>>2643622
>>2643622
>>2643622
>>2643622

>this is the fundamental difference between science and religion.

>implying there are no shifts or evolution in religion

Might I say, Christianity was a shift from Judaism, as was Islam. And each of these religions has kept evolving through the centuries.

Fundamentalist Christianity is rather new in the history of Christianity.

I recommend you stick to what you know, and stop making such a fool of yourself.

inb4 "you're religious" etc.

>> No.2643783

>>2641294

We don't think the arts are useless.

We do think it's useless to spend obscene amounts of money studying nothing but the arts when you're at uni. What humanitiesfags always forget is that studying the arts is different from creating them. Most English graduates are not particularly creative and the greatest writer in the English language had no formal education beyond high school.

The true master race concentrate on a science subject at uni and learn about the arts in their spare time and/or (depending on their uni) as their minor.

>> No.2643814

>>2643671
>For every Michio Kaku, there's a gros of professors who got denied for research grants
Well, not paying for a dissident is different from ignoring his procured evidence.

>> No.2643822

>>2643814
You're right, it's more like taking his evidence and shitting on it

>> No.2643832

bump