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/sci/, why are we conditioned by society to hide our sexual organs?

>> No.2590859

Well, old-fashioned customs. You think it doesn't make sense?

>> No.2590861

Religion

>> No.2590865
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2590865

Because this science related stuff

>> No.2590868

It makes them harder to aim at.

>> No.2590873
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>>2590861
Most cultures did that shit way before religion rolled along thugh

>> No.2590874

Do what you want, but I'll be protecting my sensitive bits.

>> No.2590876

>>2590856
Do you actually want to see them? I could understand wanting to see them for an attractive member of the opposite sex, but think about all the things /you most certainly don't want to see while randomly walking on the street/

>> No.2590877

because frostbites are bad for sexual reproduction

>> No.2590878

because it's a symbol of our inherent nature. it reminds us that we are animals. the fact is we are more than that. Whether you believe in God or not, we have transcended that basic nature. In public discourse, nature and society are always dealt with as opposite sides of a scale. In fact, sex is probably the one thing remaining that is entirely natural. Everything else from eating to sleeping we do differently in some way. of course you argue that even with sex we've altered it. socialised it through technology with contraception and all but consider how controversial that is. it's obviously still done in very much the same way as it has been done for thousands of years.

So yeah, we hide our bodies to make us seem as existing over and above nature.

>> No.2590882

So they don't get infected.

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2590883

OP here
>>2590878
I agree, this is my view too.

>> No.2590884

Clothes prevented us from becoming desensitized to sexually attractive features as nudists and hunter gatherer communities in hot countries are, to keep social discord resulting from sexual misadventures at a minimum most societies employed laws to keep women from baring sexually attractive features and men to keep their sex organs concealed lest they reveal intentions others may deem unfit.

>> No.2590885

>>2590861
Modesty, whether it involves explicit covering of the genitals or not, is a fucking human universal. Don't pass this one off onto religion, you pseudo-intellectual troglodyte.

>> No.2590889

>>2590885
> Modesty, whether it involves explicit covering of the genitals or not

We're not talking about modesty in general. This topic is specific to covering genitals. You're going off-topic.

>> No.2590890

>>2590878
additionally, also for the practical purpose of warmth.

but it has in effect come out of the distinction we have made between ourselves and nature. we've done this mainly through our use of objects. our invention of tools. A monkey can hit things with rocks to crack open a nut or whatever but they don't have the same relationship with technology whereby the delegate responsibility to artefacts

>> No.2590891

ask Google motherfucker...

>> No.2590895

>>2590884
nothing to do with a process of becoming desensitised . humans can make a very clear distinction between the sexually provocative and the mundane even when everything is on show

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>>2590891
but I want to ask /sci/.

>> No.2590905

because capitalism and the jew

/truth

>> No.2590907

I think its mostly to hide boners

>> No.2590936

Some people get offended about things such as breastfeeding in public. It's ridiculous.

I think it's because sexual organs are affiliated with sex, which isn't seen as appropriate in public.

>> No.2590940

>>2590936
inb4 breasts aren't sexual organs

>> No.2590955

cause you don't want to see your gradparents naked in the park or in the shop or ever!
people are ugly they better hide behind clothes and makeup and shit like this

>> No.2590961

>>2590895
This isn't about what people think, we have little to no control over our feelings. In the past most people lived in poverty under oppressive violent regimes and with so many stressors people are more likely to flip out, they must have thought that regulating sex and relationships did more good than harm.

>> No.2590963

Tribal people at least wear some kind of loin cloth to protect their sensitive junk.

>> No.2590965

>>2590955
lol you shallow stack of shit

>> No.2590967

>>2590963
In tropic areas? Mostly no. Most pictures however will show loincloths so as not to offend the western viewer.

>> No.2590975

so they don't get cold

>> No.2590977

>>2590975
then why do women wear bikinis on the beach under the summer sun?

>> No.2590980

Clothes came about to protect man from the elements.

They then began to serve the secondary functions of decorative display, and hiding signs of sexual arousal. People like this because they like to show off, and they like to fit in. Wearing unique or similar clothes fills this need. They also like to keep members of the opposite sex guessing as to whether they are interested in them or not, so that they may hold off on making the move until they are sure they will be reciprocated.

Now that nudity is something only normally seen in the context of an intimate relationship, it has become fetishised.


Seriously, you guys. We know this stuff.

>> No.2590988

>>2590980
This doesn't explain why tribes in tropical regions don't care about their genitals showing, and will sometimes actually show them pridefully.

Your whole explanation depends on the argument that clothes are necessary for protection from the elements, when in fact in many parts of the world that isn't needed.

>> No.2590992

>>2590980 here

In response to
>>2590977
and regarding my comment of
>Now that nudity is something only normally seen in the context of an intimate relationship, it has become fetishised.

Because nudity has become fetishised, exposing it, granting a viewing of it, to people who could share a sexual interest is a minor sexual act in itself. This carries over to situations where nudity would make more sense from a pragmatic point of view.

>> No.2591002

>>2590988

It does explain it. Tribes in tropical regions don't care about genitals showing because they never developed clothing, initially for protection from the elements, that hides their genitals, and so they never develop a fetish for the exposure of their genitals.

They do other things to protect themselves from the elements. One tribe I heard of uses a technique that inverts the penis, to protect it from snagging on branches or whatever.

>> No.2591004

>>2590965
don't be stupid
people are meant to live in society
you won't be able to live the society if for example
some mutant sits naked next to you in the restaurant
or some amputee is waving his half limb though the room
these things are fucking disgusting and you find them disgusting for a reason
evolution made us this way it's because if you don't live in the pack you fucking die, its as simple as that

if you have used you're brain you wouldn't need to ask this question....

>> No.2591007

1) Ever tried jogging or doing jumping jacks in the nude? It's much more comfortable with undies on.
2) By hiding our sexual organs we're saying "I AM NOT ABOUT TO START HUMPING THINGS". Given that before the introduction of prophylactics and contraceptives having lots of casual sex was generally a bad thing for society, it's usually best not to send the message "I AM 100% READY TO BONE YOUR WIFE AND DAUGHTER"

>> No.2591009

>>2591004
> implying packs are equivalent to society
> implying societal norms are evolutive in nature
> lol at "you're brain"

>> No.2591012

>>2590988
>>2590884
I'll sound like an egotistical faggot but I wish people would read my replies more...

>> No.2591014

>>2590988
>Clothes came about to protect man from the elements.
>They then began to serve the secondary functions of decorative display, and hiding signs of sexual arousal.

you just support his point, by asserting that tribes in tropical regions(hot/moist) do not wear clothes. Clothes keep you warm and less likely to get sunburned for our fairer friends. If its always hot and humid why would I need to keep warm? Maybe then clothes become symbolic of status, or become something protective from physical harm.

>> No.2591016

>>2591007
It's funny how perceptions have changed in western society.

70 years ago it would have been "YOUR WIFE AND DAUGHTER IS 100% READY TO BE BONED AND POOR MEN MUST BE PROTECTED FROM SUCH VIEW".

At least now we put the blame properly on the aggressor :)

>> No.2591021

>>2591016

>implying wives and daughters don't want to get boned just as much as men want to bone them

>> No.2591023

>>2591014
Yeah, I screwed up. But this is /sci/ so I'm not allowed to recognize that. So instead I'll make some silly argument and act like I have been misquoted.

>> No.2591029

>>2591021
Yeah, no. Men and women are slightly different in that regard.

>> No.2591035

>>2591029

I don't think we need to get into that here.

I'd imagine we could come to an understanding that the sexual drive is roughly equal, but shaped somewhat differently. And then we could argue about how much of that is due to biology and how much is due to culture, and get nowhere.

>> No.2591037

>>2591016
They still would worry about that though. I mean Fred down the street's a stand up guy, and Bill's been your buddy since you were kids so he'd never do anything bad (even though his wife is a little clumsy). But you never know what those niggers might get up to if they get out of hand, and God help us if those Nips or Chinks start moving into this town.

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>>2591009
>implying that a pack is not a social group
>implying that social groups are not evolutionary advantage
>implying that you don't know that my english is shit

>> No.2591040
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2591040

Because it's cold outside and my cock gets particularly cold. I got to cover that thing up in order to maintain my manly persona.

>> No.2591044

If we don't hide our sexual organs, what's the joy of undressing someone then?

>> No.2591061

>>2591044
I'll... never know.

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2591101

>somewhere in a nudist colony
Oh hey anon. Nice looking wife you got there.

>> No.2591394

>>2591016
>At least now we put the blame properly on the aggressor :)
Oh look, a frigid puritan blaming men for sexuality.

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2591403

Greys proved themselves superior to us once again.

>> No.2591411

Because the vast majority of people's sexual organs (and the surrounding area) ain't pretty.

Clothing is one of the few forced social conventions that I can fully get behind. Imagine haveing to see every fat person's hairy and pimply public region. No fucking thanks.

>> No.2591421

women having to cover their tits is sexist

free the melons

>> No.2591489

It's got to have something to do with one's status in a hierarchy. Why do bushmen of the congo wear codpieces? If we can answer that we can probably come pretty close to explaining our own instinct in this regard.

>> No.2591524

>>2591411

you probably woudn't care if the standard was being naked. just think of primitive tribes, they didn't care that everyone walked around naked.

IMO clothing came from the need to protect yourself from the climate

>> No.2591540

you are conditioned to find public nakedness undesirable.

if you were used to it, and this had always been the way things were done, you would see it as perfectly normal, and have no problem with it.

>> No.2591607

>>2590878
>sex is probably the one thing remaining that is entirely natural

go take a look at /b/ for a second ...

>> No.2591706

The need to conceal sexual organs presented an evolutionary advantage to our ancestors.

>> No.2593746

BECAUSE.

>> No.2593826

"the apple fall cause earth is down" = pretty much all the answer i can see here. Well, except we don't speak about physics.

>> No.2594379

>>2590856

To deter men from knocking up women and leaving them to with a child and without support. So things like promoting virginity and wait until marriage is practical for a stable society.

>> No.2594407

>>2594379
Depends on how the support system in the society develops really. There is an island in the Pacific where children are considered as belonging to their mother's brothers rather than their biological father so the women tend to slut around a lot, rarely sticking with one man for more than 2 weeks. I don't think anyone actually told them where babies come from though.

>> No.2594424

Ever catch a tree branch in your junk? Get a penis sheath. Tits? Get an apron.

>> No.2594466

we wear clothes because it's fucking cold out. we cover our genitals in particular, often even in kind climates, because they are particularly sensitive. even a light covering creates a constant temperature environment, which is better than if they are exposed to air.

it's mostly just culture, though, of course.

>> No.2594530

So, OP, you want your dick to be fucking cold all the time and shrink to half an inch?

>> No.2594946

>>2594530
They should make penis thermals. That way you can keep your cock out but also keep it warm.

>> No.2594955

>>2594946
long live the codpiece!

>> No.2594956

because we ain't black

>> No.2594973

I don't believe people are conditioned by society to hide their genitalia and secondary sexual characteristics.

Humans don't go into heat, we fuck year 'round and get pregnant regardless of seasons. If humans had the distraction of sex cues then we'd be constantly fucking, pumping out babies and starving ourselves with overpopulation.

Being demure is about survival more than it is about social mores.

>> No.2595022

I wonder if anyone actually reads the thread for a proper response, or skims it, thinking they have the ultimate answer, and then posts their hastily reasoned idea to something that's been answered 4 or 5 times.

Seriously, read the goddamn thread before replying. It saves everyone the headache.

>> No.2595061

>>2595022
you and your dubs can suck your dead father's dick, david