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Anonymous Wed Feb 23 07:21:28 2011 No.2590432 [Reply] [Original]

Have anyone ever asked themselves this question?
You are consciousness manifest in this body.
But why? and why in this body, in this world?
Why am I me?

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 23 07:23:28 2011 No.2590438 You should try to look into Solipsism, personally I think it's a load of bull and that "concioussness" is merely a biological construct but hopefully you'll find something in there.

>>	Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. Wed Feb 23 07:23:28 2011 No.2590437 Why is not a question that science can answer. About you being you, however, that is a combination of genetics, environmental conditioning and the structure your brain has from those two factors.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 23 07:28:28 2011 No.2590444 Hey OP, actually none of us exist and you're the only "conciouss" being in existence, every thing else is a manifestation of your all-powerful sub-concious, a self induced delusion. You are God.

>>	aether !B.0X4iZ/uM Wed Feb 23 07:30:28 2011 No.2590450 God.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 23 07:40:28 2011 No.2590470 >>2590432 >Why am I me? b-coz

Anonymous Wed Feb 23 07:43:28 2011 No.2590473

You are the product of monumental cosmic events and their gradual cooling. It isn't a purpose, it's a reason. Purpose is subjective, as it conscious perception. You are only you because your matter happens to be currently arranged in a form that permits you to think it you are. As a subjective consciousness you are free to assign your own values onto existence and meaning, but keep in mind that these are subjective bias and not absolute truths.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 23 07:44:28 2011 No.2590475 hey gabe u fat piece of shit go work on half life 3, faggot

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 23 07:45:28 2011 No.2590479 File: 36 KB, 480x640, 1298094213162.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Why am I me? Bullshit! Proof or it didn't happen!

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 23 07:53:28 2011 No.2590493 You fucking faggots OP here. I'm not asking what's the purpose of my life, I'm asking why is my concioussness attached to this physical body.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 23 07:55:28 2011 No.2590497 >>2590475 this

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 23 07:55:28 2011 No.2590496 >>2590493 >and why in this body, in this world? because a mind is a function of the body, not the other way around

Anonymous Wed Feb 23 07:56:28 2011 No.2590499

Awareness isn't some sort of universal constant that's been plugged into your body, OP.
It's as real as you leg or scrotum, part of the universe that just is.
Heck, hasn't it been proved thatthe feeling of awareness is just the result of chemicals dancing around your brain?

Anonymous Wed Feb 23 08:00:28 2011 No.2590505

It's better if you break it down like this OP:
Why is the sun here?
You can porbably rationalize the answer, the sun is a mass of incandescent gas, blah blah blah it is because it is.
Well, your sense of self can be rationalized just the same.
"I am a conciouss being, because this and that and that, why? because this and that and that" repeat ad nauseum and you've beaten existential crisis.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 23 08:01:28 2011 No.2590507 >>2590505 That's pretty cool and all but isn't it avoiding the question?

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 23 08:02:28 2011 No.2590510 >>2590499 Yes it has \thread

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 23 08:03:28 2011 No.2590512 If you weren't you, you wouldn't ask this question. Also that fucking makes no sense. Of course you're you, why would you be your dog?

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 23 08:04:28 2011 No.2590516 File: 30 KB, 640x480, 128448772010N0.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2590507 Nope, that is actually answering the question. How old are you?

Anonymous Wed Feb 23 08:05:28 2011 No.2590520

Are you asking why you think you are not a philosophical zombie? Look up Dennett (everyone is one) or Chalmers (functionally equivalent systems experience the types of qualia; thus there are no philosophical zombies).
Which to me either means that we're all zombies or none of us are. Since internally I have knowledge which I cannot communicate in a meaningful way, I can say that I am not a zombie, but physically from a 3rd person perspective, there is no reason to believe anybody experiences any qualia at all, and such a conclusion only happens because we experience qualia. Of course, someone saying they experience qualia is consistent with how the brain works, so that's no proof that we are not philosophical zombies.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 23 08:06:28 2011 No.2590524 >>2590499 But isn't my scrotum (and therefore, it's presence within your mother's mouth) an universal constant?

Anonymous Wed Feb 23 08:06:28 2011 No.2590526

Oh, and you think you are you because of your memories. There is no reason whatsoever that the illusion of continuity of consciousness is real, much less reason to believe so than the belief that qualia/phenomenal experience is real.

You are you because of your synapses.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 23 08:08:28 2011 No.2590532 >>2590505 Cool but how do I beat regular Crysis? I'm stuck at the part with the tentacled alien and am low on ammo, I'm too lazy to play all the way from my last save spot.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 23 08:09:28 2011 No.2590533 >>2590516 Old enough to do your mom.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 23 08:10:28 2011 No.2590535 >>2590524 >>2590533 This is the third thread on /sci/ that derails into "your mom" jokes. I'm starting to believe this is a regular ocurrance amongst your brainy folk.

Anonymous Wed Feb 23 08:11:28 2011 No.2590537

>>2590499
You misunderstand. Chemicals or even quantum effects are not the reason you have raw consciousness (experience qualia/phenomenal experience). Or what I meant to say is that they are the reason you work at all, but they are too low of a level of abstraction here and you can't really talk expect apparently non-physical things like phenomenal experience to be the result of chemicals or QM - they are the result of information processing in the brain, however that doesn't mean that those chemicals are your consciousness (if such a thing exists at all!). If qualia exists, it's probably because of information processing in general, not because some chemical says you have x qualia.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 23 08:13:28 2011 No.2590545 File: 11 KB, 312x353, 47389768.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2590535 >implying /sci/tards are 'brainy folk' and not just a collection of slightly-above-average-intelligence, socially awkward narcissists.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 23 08:13:28 2011 No.2590546 Why does existence occur? Why aren't I a philosophical zombie? How do I understand thoughts?

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 23 08:15:28 2011 No.2590555 There are infinite combinations of atoms to compose a brain, but your specific combination is unique, let's assume u can convert ur brain atoms into a string, that string is you. That's how i see it though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 23 08:15:28 2011 No.2590556 Okay, why I am me? Why couldn't my conciousness manifest somewhere else, in a different body?

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 23 08:17:28 2011 No.2590560 >>2590556 I know it's hard to understand but AWARENESS IS NOT SOMETHING SPECIAL

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 23 08:21:28 2011 No.2590566 >>2590556 because >>2590496 to say it again differently: if your mind developed in another body, it wouldn't be your mind

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 23 08:22:28 2011 No.2590567 >>2590566 MIND = BLOWN

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 23 08:24:28 2011 No.2590574 >>2590566 Are you the same person you were 5 minutes ago?

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 23 08:24:28 2011 No.2590573 your brain is a unique material structure in the universe that has an unique place , as part of the cosmos, nothing else can be you

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 23 08:26:28 2011 No.2590577 >>2590574 nothing in the universe is the same as 1 second ago kid

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 23 08:27:28 2011 No.2590580 >>2590574 there is a continuation of consciousness and the information content of my brain hasn't changed much, so I would say yes. Even more so since no core data has changed.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 23 08:27:28 2011 No.2590581 >>2590545 This. I realized this on the 2nd day of /sci/s existence.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 23 08:29:28 2011 No.2590586 >>2590581 That's unfortunate, considering the second day of /sci/ was the height of intelectualism considering what it has become now.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 23 08:32:28 2011 No.2590591 >>2590566 gg circular reasoning, lit. you are because you are because you are is consciousness a function singularly derivative from physicality?

Anonymous Wed Feb 23 08:36:28 2011 No.2590597

>>2590591
Yes. Change the physical characteristics of the brain and you change the charateristics of the mind.

This is not new. It has been known for at least one hundred and fifty years.

Body-mind duality is the domain of religion.

There is no mind without a body, but there can be a body without a mind.

Mind is nothing but software running on the hardware of your brain.

If you can't deal with it, then stop talking about it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 23 08:38:28 2011 No.2590602 >>2590597 mind is not software the mind is the hardware, you can't just see that hardware from inside, but you are it

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 23 08:42:28 2011 No.2590617 >>2590602 Yes it is. It can be changed with simple addition of data, unlike hardware.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 23 08:49:28 2011 No.2590633 File: 127 KB, 1024x768, 1295551947440 (1).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2590602 Software is the social programming you receive until you are abour 25 years old.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 23 08:50:28 2011 No.2590636 File: 32 KB, 500x621, 1294430915417.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2590617 By that logic hard drives are software because you can change them with simple addition of data. Learn 2 computer knowledge n00b

Anonymous Wed Feb 23 08:59:28 2011 No.2590651

>>2590597

It's an interesting hypothesis - one implies the the other but one is not necessarily the sum of the other; configuration, composition or otherwise.

I feel this argument is; philosophy is to the brain as quantum physics are to the the table.

Both arguments are invariably true one way but unprovable in the other.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 23 09:20:28 2011 No.2590714 >>2590636 The physical change is negligible compared to the change in data. Your comment is irrelevant.

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