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2568958 No.2568958 [Reply] [Original]

I'm just fascinated by the idea that humans might someday colonize this beauty.

>> No.2568963

You will die before that happens.

>> No.2568978

>>2568963
and thus, I become the sad frog

>> No.2568979

>>2568963
Noouu dey'll make teh manhettan beech projekt

>> No.2568987

>>2568963

Not if I can transfer my brain into a computer. Learn 2 singularity, nubtard.

>> No.2568991
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2568991

I can't wait.

>> No.2568992
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2568992

>>2568963
>>2568978
http://www.hplusmagazine.com/articles/forever-young/manhattan-beach-project-end-aging-2029

http://www.sens.org/sens-research/research-themes

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3329065877451441972#

http://www.nature.com/news/2010/101128/full/news.2010.635.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/nov/28/scientists-reverse-ageing-mice-humans

>> No.2568993

It'd be a lot simpler just to figure out how to make reusable condoms so that we won't have to resort to colonizing strange celestial bodies.

>> No.2569006

>>2568987
You will die, that computer just holds your memories and personality.

>> No.2569015

>>2568993
Let's skip a step and start sterilizing people.

Or we could avoid bullshit population control and just let the third world industrialize, thus solving the problem.

>> No.2569029

We have everything we need on Earth. Why would we colonize Mars? For what benefit? More room for people to sit around and eat tacos? Or would we do it just for that nice self-gratification that 99.9% of people will feel despite having nothing to do with us actually colonizing it? Humans will never get along, and all they'll try to do is create a perfect society on it, which will end up causing some major shitstorms.

Not to mention it's impossible to colonize Mars.

>> No.2569032

This looks like the derpiest presentation of Mars I have ever seen. Nice face.

>> No.2569036

Don't we have to restart the core of Mars? I always hear people talking about creating a new atmosphere etc. But won't the planet die again w/o a magnetic field?

>> No.2569044

>>2569029
>Why would we colonize Mars?

Because it's there.

>Humans will never get along

Debatable, but probably.

>and all they'll try to do is create a perfect society on it

wat

>Not to mention it's impossible to colonize Mars.

wat

>> No.2569050

>>2569044
There's a fire.

Go die in it.

Because it's there.

>> No.2569054

>>2569029
We will do it because it's natural for us to do it. Thousand years later, I bet ya we'll be surfing the oceans in some other galaxy.

>> No.2569057

>>2569036
You could have bubble habitats in lieu of an entire atmosphere. Getting an entire planet's core going again is beyond the ability of current engineering and likely will remain so for a while

>> No.2569060

>>2569015
Sorry, can't let the third world industrialize. Then there won't be enough rare earth minerals for us honkys!

>> No.2569061

>>2569036
I believe the time it would take for the planet to 'restart' is long enough not to cause any significant problems

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>>2569054
Dude imagine surfing on 6m waves on a moon around a gas giant with only 0.80G

DO WANT

>> No.2569069

>>2569036
You can maintain an atmosphere without a magnetic field if you replace it fast enough. The hard part is getting one in the first place; this will be a resource-intensive project. Even with a relatively thick atmosphere, the lack of a magnetic field will make standing unprotected on the surface a bad idea due to radiation. Any colony will obviously have to be properly shielded.

Starting the core would require an enormous amount of energy, which we don't have at the moment.

>> No.2569070

>>2569006
Uh....
>>2568987
YES. This, exactly this.
Can any Kurzweil worshipping trekkie please explain to me how you don't see this point? Even if a computer has a Perfect image of your brain and IT thinks that it is you, YOUR brain will still one day die. Sure to the outside observer the computer acts just like you did, but to you... Oh wait, you're rotting in the ground.

>> No.2569074

>>2569070
Who cares? the copy is close enough to you.

>> No.2569077

>>2569060
Which is why we need to go to Mars.

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>>2569074
Are you fucking serious.

>> No.2569080

>>2569070
Welcome to the standard ethical questions of replicator-style transporters.

>> No.2569078

We should do archaeology on Mars first imho.

>> No.2569079

>>2568992


>implying the money elite will allow common people to live forever.

>implying if people live for ever, the world's population won't get worse.

>>2569015

>and just let the third world industrialize, thus solving the problem.

The Western world industrializing already raped the environment I'd rather just reduce the world's population instead of allowing third worlders to go on a energy binge of epic proportions.

>> No.2569093

>>2569079
Thank non-existent deity you're not in charge, then.

>> No.2569094

>>2569083
You believe in a soul or something?

>> No.2569105

>>2569093

Thank god people who share my beliefs have all the power

>> No.2569111

>>2569094
No I think it's retarded him feeling fine dying while an exact copy of him goes on.

>> No.2569113

>>2569093

Not reducing the world's population IS evil.

What to do, when a ship carrying a hundred passengers suddenly capsizes and there is only one lifeboat? When the lifeboat is full, those who hate life will try to load it with more people and sink the lot. Those who love and respect life will take the ship's axe and sever the extra hands that cling to the sides.

>> No.2569118

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZ5sWfhkpE0
Has this been posted yet? Seems obligatory.

>> No.2569124

I have to agree with the rebuttal to Kurzweil-ey stuff. It will be an exact replica of your mind, true, but that's what it will be: a replica.

>> No.2569131

>>2569094
Not samefag, but I just want to tell you how funny it seems to me that someone would believe he's just a sum of information. We're not fucking computers, mate. You can't be "stored" onto a computer and even if you could be, that's just not how the universe works. To live and to die is equally important.

>> No.2569126

>>2569113
That's such a retarded metaphor on so many levels.

I agree that an ethical way to reduce the population would be a great idea for the rest of us, and our children, etc.

>> No.2569137

>>2569113
The two situations are not equivalent.

>> No.2569164

>>2569137
It is. More people on earth means more resources being consumed. More resources being consumed, means they last shorter.

Less people, means the human race lives longer

The longevity of the human race is more important than 90% of today's humans

>> No.2569174

>>2569131


Religious fag detected.

>> No.2569175

>>2569113
Tell me what flights you're going to be on. I don't want to be stuck on the Andes with you.

>> No.2569182

>>2569164
>Less people, means the human race lives longer
>The longevity of the human race is more important than 90% of today's humans
I think that's an incredibly evil idea. I do not care at all about the survival of the human race, only human individuals.

>> No.2569185

If it werent for the church we would have colonized it already, how does that make you feel?

>> No.2569199

Its a barren wasteland of a planet people
Chill the fuck out

>> No.2569198

>>2569164
No. If the situations were equivalent, then the presence of an additional, arbitrary number of humans would result in the death of the entire species, necessitating the death of that number of humans. This is not the case, and it won't be, because the carrying capacity of the planet exceeds projected growth of the population.

>> No.2569202

>>2568958
derp 9/10.

>> No.2569201

>>2569182


I think it's incredible evil to allow the world's population to go uncheck without any regulations. The human race has done a lot of progression over thousands of years. I'll be damned if it's all for nothing, just so individuals can have there precious right to reproduce without any regard to future generations

>> No.2569206

>>2569201
That's nice. I think your ideas are evil.

>> No.2569215

>>2569198


>because the carrying capacity of the planet exceeds projected growth of the population.

First of all. Source needed.

Secondly, lets assume thats true. That doesn't change the fact that more people = more resources being consumed. More resources being consumed = they don't last as long. Which means our race doesn't live as long


If the human race would be capped at 500,000 it would take us longer to go extinct than if it was 7,8,12,20 + billion

>> No.2569222

I'm fascinated by the human need to go somewhere else, when 60% of our own planet is still not fully explored.

Finish what you started before moving on to something else.

>> No.2569223

>>2569206


Thats nice. Morality is subjective. But thank god the current power brokers share my belief.

>> No.2569224

>>2569185
If it weren't for the shortsightedness of damn near everyone involved in the Cold War.
If it weren't for the Black Death.
If it weren't for the invasion by the Mongol Horde.
If it weren't for the fall of the Roman Empire.
If it weren't for the Dark Age of Greece.

Why blame the Church when all of history can share the blame just as well?

>> No.2569228

>>2569174
Ignorant fag detected

>The quantum mind or quantum consciousness hypothesis proposes that classical mechanics cannot fully explain consciousness, and suggests that quantum mechanical phenomena, such as quantum entanglement and superposition, may play an important part in the brain's function, and could form the basis of an explanation of consciousness. There are several quite distinct quantum mind theories, and these are discussed in the sections below.

~ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_mind

>> No.2569238

>>2569228


Someone who thinks that Wikipedia is a reputable source of infomation fag detected

>> No.2569249

>>2569238
It's more reputable than 4chan, that's for sure

Also, type "quantum mind" into google and see what happens

>> No.2569251

>>2569228

First of all, it's a hypotheses.

Second of all, Penrose's arguments have been disproven (Pic related): At the temperature of the human brain, wave functions collapse within 63 picoseconds or so, too short for any sort of quantum event to have any sort of meaningful effect on the brain.

We are not magical pseudoscience New Age quantum computers.

Your turn.

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>>2569251

Forgot pic.

>> No.2569274

>>2569251
There are certain states of entanglement that have been shown to not be able to be extended across neurons due to the brain's temperature. But that's an extremely narrow model that is shown not to work. The statement
>too short for any sort of quantum event to have any sort of meaningful effect on the brain
is extremely ignorant.

>> No.2569275

>>2569251
Ok, how about: computers can't have emotions. Like this argument any better?

>> No.2569281

>>2569275
No. I think that's even more retarded. What basis do you have to conclude that the human mind isn't a computer?

>> No.2569290

>>2569215
http://www.worldometers.info/population/
http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/idb/worldpopinfo.php
http://www.un.org/esa/population/publications/popnews/Newsltr_87.pdf

>More resources being consumed = they don't last as long. Which means our race doesn't live as long

You seem to think that, at a certain point, we're just going to run out of everything we need to survive. Unless you're talking about a good few billion years into the future, you're incorrect.

>If the human race would be capped at 500,000 it would take us longer to go extinct than if it was 7,8,12,20 + billion

Not necessarily. Lower absolute resource consumption is not the sole factor in the length of time a species survives.

>> No.2569312

>>2569281
Well, I have personal experience. But that doesn't help me make a point.

Sincerely speaking, I _know_ that consciousness is the basis of reality and not the other way around. I'm just sad that it might take a lot of time until the entire planet understands this simple concept.

>> No.2569314

>>2569290

>If the human race would be capped at 500,000 it would take us longer to go extinct than if it was 7,8,12,20 + billion
>500,000

Oh, look, another Georgia Guidestones nutjob.
NEXT.

>> No.2569313

>>2569198
>>No. If the situations were equivalent, then the presence of an additional, arbitrary number of humans would result in the death of the entire species, necessitating the death of that number of humans. This is not the case, and it won't be, because the carrying capacity of the planet exceeds projected growth of the population.

*Sigh.* I can't go through entire physics and biology textbooks here--but if I did it would tell you how retarded your reasoning is.
When we eat an orange, none of the atoms magically disappear, okee? When we burn petroleum, no carbon or hydrogen magically disappears either, otherwise we wouldn't be worried about climate change, okee?

>> No.2569320

>>2569312
That sounds like the Traveler's explanation.

Anyway, science, evidence, etc.

>> No.2569328

>>2569312
You have personal experience that demonstrates that the human mind isn't a computer? Could you please share that? Of course, it's eye witness testimony, which means it doesn't really count, but it's better than nothing at least. What personal experiences do you have which show that the human mind isn't a computer?

>> No.2569333

>>2569328
Also, please watch:
>Neil Tyson talks about UFOs and the argument from ignorance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfAzaDyae-k

>> No.2569343

>>2569313
>okee

What are you, twelve? I mean, good God, sir. Nice name though, I haven't seen that show in forever.

>> No.2569358

>>2569314
Except the guidestones set an upper limit 1,000 times greater. He's even worse.

>> No.2569372

>>2569328
Been messing around with psychedelics way more than I should. And no, don't start talking about them if you haven't had the opportunity to try some. You simply have no idea of the power that is You.

>> No.2569391

>>2569372
That's not even eye witness testimony. That's you just ranting about mind altering drugs. What specific /experience/ or /observation/ makes you think that the human mind isn't a computer?

>> No.2569392

>>2569328
Listen, of course the brain in the computer would be exactly the same as yours. It would have the same emotions and all that shit. I don't think that should be the subject of the rebuttal to Singularity. It should be that it will make people no longer human. Besides, there will be little point to living if one is ruminating in suspended digital animation in perpetuity.

I can only imagine...Ted Kaczynski would have a heart attack if he even heard of this sort of thing.

>> No.2569397

>>2569358

Oh God I was off my an order of magnitude.

This is not supposed to happen.

>> No.2569404

>Been messing around with psychedelics way more than I should.

Drug use is not reputable information on how the brain works

>> No.2569420

>>2569391
They have eyes but to not see
Ears but do not hear

It's irrelevant what kind of argument I might have to support my claims, your ignorance would just naturally answer it with something that came straight out of your ass. I for one do not intend to be a part of this cycle.

>> No.2569424

>>2569392
Someone argued that computers can't have emotions. I assumed that he believed humans have emotions, and thus humans aren't computers. Thus I asked what evidence he has that human minds are not computers.

Go look back through the post chain.

>> No.2569428

>>2569420
So, your argument is "I'm right because of this evidence I have, which I'm not going to share, but I'm going to keep saying that I'm right."

Is that about the jist of it?

>> No.2569467

>>2569428
Nope, it's more like this: I have no evidence whatsoever, but I do have personal experience which I already mentioned cannot help me support my claims (at all). So it's either you trust that I attained some sort of higher wisdom that you're unable to perceive because your ass is wrapped too deep in whatever the culture taught you, or you can go ahead and call me a bunghole. Whichever you prefer (probably everyone will go with latter).

>> No.2569476

>>2569467
Personal experiences are evidence. Eye witness testimony is evidence. It's just really really shitty evidence. Have you watched this 10 min video yet? You should. It's required for anyone on /sci/.

>Neil Tyson talks about UFOs and the argument from ignorance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfAzaDyae-k

>> No.2569524

>>2569476
Don't get me wrong, I love Neil Tyson and I love science. I watched the video as well.

But I believe you have no fucking clue as to what I'm talking about. And that's exactly why I can't explain anything to you.

Let me just end this with a thought that you all really are biological machines. There's nothing to dispute about it. But to think that we're _only_ that is foolish and incredibly ignorant of who we actually are. It's a shame so many lives are wasted in self-repeating patterns, instead of glorifying life and exploring the true nature of our existence.

I've said what had to be said, don't expect me to reply again.

>> No.2569535

>>2569524
Ok. My position is that your evidence is almost certainly non-existent or bullshit, just like someone who said they just saw a UFO, err alien spaceship.

Of course, you seem rather wed to your delusions, and you are even unwilling to share them, so there's not much I can do to persuade you away from the delusions.

>> No.2569579

>>2569535
I changed my mind, this needs another reply.

You see if I've just sparked the tiniest doubt in you that the reality we live in is a poor description, then I really accomplished something here today.

Let's agree to disagree :)

>> No.2571941

double Farts