US Department of Homeland Security elevates national threat level to High (Orange). why?

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Anonymous Sat Feb 19 22:54:50 2011 No.2568884 [Reply] [Original]

US Department of Homeland Security elevates national threat level to High (Orange). why?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 22:54:50 2011 No.2568886 >>2568884 Something could happen somewhere.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 22:55:50 2011 No.2568887 Wait, did this happen, or are you postulating a hypothetical?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 22:55:50 2011 No.2568889 1/10

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 22:55:50 2011 No.2568893 http://www.dhs.gov/files/programs/Copy_of_press_release_0046.shtm

>>	Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. Sat Feb 19 22:55:50 2011 No.2568895 File: 81 KB, 450x336, 1262624858421.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] To keep you scared and to make you support the military industrial complex.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 22:56:50 2011 No.2568903 >>2568889 it's actually happening so why 1/10

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 22:58:50 2011 No.2568913 File: 127 KB, 525x686, deal_with_it.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 23:02:50 2011 No.2568952 I think it has something to do with all 17 NASA stereo telescopes being down, as well as SOHO telescopes. Both offline for past 2 days.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 23:06:50 2011 No.2568974 Cause the military doesn't want to get budget cuts

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 23:07:50 2011 No.2568977 it's actually at threat level midnight

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 23:07:50 2011 No.2568981 it's been severe since 9/11

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 23:08:50 2011 No.2568986 >>2568977 how do you know?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 23:09:50 2011 No.2568997 Alex Jones(i know, i know) called the number of this See something,say something campaign live on air and they turned out to be a dead end. No idea how trustworthy he is though, i haven't called them personally.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 23:12:50 2011 No.2569016 >>2568997 thanks

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 23:12:50 2011 No.2569018 File: 84 KB, 673x992, Hitler's chart.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The last I heard, they don't use the colors anymore, because they were useless. We now use scents, and have been on Lilac for 3 years.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 23:14:50 2011 No.2569040 >>2568952 Wouldn't it be bad ass if aliens invaded?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 23:15:50 2011 No.2569042 >>2569040 they have done so before

Upcoming Events Anonymous Sat Feb 19 23:19:50 2011 No.2569067

The threat level was increased on Feb 18 2011. I think it's because of the widely talked about polar shift that is due in the coming month. Look at all the cases of dead birds/fish and animals in general dieing. In addition, scientists also discovered a new series of planets in the far reaches of our solar system that orbit our sun elliptically. Now that they are coming closer, they could be effecting us. The sun has also been acting up a LOT lately. The past 2 days there has be not 1, but 2 of the largest solar flares in 4 years that the government openly admitted could cause power-outages, issues with GPS, satellites and radio.
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/02/15/scientists-telescope-hunt-massive-hidden-object-in-space/?hpt=C
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>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 23:22:50 2011 No.2569088 >>2569067 HOLY SHIT 2012 IS REAL! FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK!

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 23:23:50 2011 No.2569099 >>2568977 Haha, I love the office. What's up you fucking nerds?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 23:26:50 2011 No.2569119 >>2569099 A brown dwarf called nemesis is going to send a mass of asteroids our way on december 21, 2012 and it will be the end of mankind as we know it! Other than that its been pretty chill

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 23:29:50 2011 No.2569144 >>2569067 Go back to /x/ http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/science/tyche-a-jupiter-sized-planet-may-not-really-exist-51338.html Here at /sci/ we wait for validation until we treat theories as fact.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 23:29:50 2011 No.2569150 "The new alert system is currently in a 90 day implementation period that began on January 27, 2011 – until the end of the implementation period, the existing HSAS will remain in effect." just in time for mayday

Anonymous Sat Feb 19 23:32:50 2011 No.2569180

@ 2 above, it's not theory:

The threat level was increased on Feb 18 2011. I think it's because of the widely talked about polar shift that is due in the coming month. Look at all the cases of dead birds/fish and animals in general dieing. In addition, scientists also discovered a new series of planets in the far reaches of our solar system that orbit our sun elliptically. Now that they are coming closer, they could be effecting us. The sun has also been acting up a LOT lately. The past 2 days there has be not 1, but 2 of the largest solar flares in 4 years that the government openly admitted could cause power-outages, issues with GPS, satellites and radio.
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/02/15/scientists-telescope-hunt-massive-hidden-object-in-space/?hpt=C
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>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 23:33:50 2011 No.2569186 File: 64 KB, 640x480, dawson-crying.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2569119 I genuinely think it could be true guys What should we do?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 23:36:50 2011 No.2569211 >>2569186 Go rape someone so you can finally lose your virginity

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 23:36:50 2011 No.2569212 >>2569186 Use our incredible capacity for intelligence to adapt and evolve to the coming threat. Or we die.

Anonymous Sat Feb 19 23:39:50 2011 No.2569227

>>2569144
CNN confirmed the extra solar objects. Pole shift? HAARP has also suggested a massive polar shift in the coming month(s). As for the bigger picture, put the pieces of the puzzle together. You don't need to wait for someone with "official" status to confirm something. You have a brain bro, use it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 23:42:50 2011 No.2569246 >>2569212 We can't die... not now... We were so close to reaching a new era of technological utopia and longevity...

Anonymous Sat Feb 19 23:45:50 2011 No.2569267

Polar shift? Yeah right. Not only is there no way to predict this but it could happen in 5000 years so no one gives a fuck.

Solar flares? Oh dear the worst since 2006 I'm shivering in my boots!

I bet this thread elevation is a pre-emptive move that the government is noticing large masses of solidarity around the world and it's starting to happen in the US. The shitstorm could be great indeed.

Anonymous Sat Feb 19 23:46:50 2011 No.2569276

>>2569119
Even if the asteroids hit impact the earth covering the skies with dirt and ushering a new ice age, we still have the technology to bypass these inconveniences by using technology to create artificial means for the cultivation of plants and keeping ourselves warm.
Unless the earth implodes we are not going anywhere

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 23:48:50 2011 No.2569291 >>2569276 Well, I mean sure the elite will probably survive, but the likes of you and I will certainly be left to die.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 23:48:50 2011 No.2569299 File: 44 KB, 496x384, 1281026413001.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I don't wanna die guise :(

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 23:49:50 2011 No.2569304 >>2569227 HAARP, polar shift? wtf? sauce

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 23:51:50 2011 No.2569309 >>2569267 there is no fucking threat elevation where are you guys getting this shit?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 23:51:50 2011 No.2569311 >>2569267 you're opinions are misinformed. and i guess tens of thousands of birds & fish dieing, who's survival heavily relies on their 'internal compass', means nothing to you. you should do research before you make uneducated posts.

>>	Scientist Sat Feb 19 23:52:50 2011 No.2569316 >>2569311 That might mean something if these events were odd or rare. They are not. They happen all the goddamned time. Try to learn a thing or two from a respected news agency.

Anonymous Sat Feb 19 23:52:50 2011 No.2569318

>>2569311

the animals dying are weird, but the solar cycle "most in 4 years" well fuck, the cycle goes in and out most in 4 years because 4 years ago it was at a minimum; now we're moving up towards another maximum

it's not fucking magic; this shit is supposed to happen

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 23:53:50 2011 No.2569321 I wouldn't pay any attention to the threat levels. They've never gone below "elevated" since they were created and have never gone above "high" either.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 23:53:50 2011 No.2569323 >>2569304 http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/02/15/scientists-telescope-hunt-massive-hidden-object-in-space/?hpt=C 2

Anonymous Sat Feb 19 23:53:50 2011 No.2569327

>>2569309
http://www.dhs.gov/files/programs/Copy_of_press_release_0046.shtm

>>2569311
Mass extinctions happen all the time. Natural disasters happen all the time. Only your perception has increased lately because of a better online social and news network.
Do your research before you sound like a full retard panicking about a couple birds dying somewhere in the world.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 23:54:50 2011 No.2569331 >>2569321 It was raised from green -> orange on feb 18, 2011.

Anonymous Sat Feb 19 23:54:50 2011 No.2569332

>>2569316

no, they don't happen all the time in those numbers and with that frequency

you can check the govt.'s own site for the history; they keep track

what happened in the past couple months is extraordinary, by any statistical standard

it's not completely out of the water, but it is exceptional

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 23:54:50 2011 No.2569335 File: 16 KB, 240x271, 240px-Red_alert_box.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] solar maximum + pole shift + Yellowstone super volcano + nemesis + Mayan calendar + Middle east revolutions + peak oil = Shit is getting real

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 23:56:50 2011 No.2569345 >>2569335 THIS

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 23:56:50 2011 No.2569347 File: 215 KB, 640x480, 1296842523311.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2569335 LETS PUT ON OUR TINFOIL HATS GUISE holy shit i thought when did /sci/ get such an influx of idiots

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 23:56:50 2011 No.2569350 >>2569327 no, shit is culminating food and commodity prices at record highs revolutions spreading thru out various govts. of the world you can pretend this is all normal but the stats don't back it up

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 23:57:50 2011 No.2569360 >>2569327 no. this shit does't happen all the time. when's the last time you saw the ground level of yellowstone raise 15 feet?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 23:58:39 2011 No.2569373 >>2569309 From here: http://www.dhs.gov/files/programs/Copy_of_press_release_0046.shtm It was elevated yesterday.

Anonymous Sat Feb 19 23:58:50 2011 No.2569374

>>2569350
You're semi right about the food shortage, but it's still not exceptional that this is happening now.

There is also much more solidarity in the world and social networking is shifting the power balance. But to hear you chirp on about something being amiss about polar shifts and your idiotic conspiracy theories really shows how immature and ignorant you are.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 19 23:59:50 2011 No.2569380 >>2569331 >>2569327 it was "elevated" it wasn't raised seriously, do you have any proof? news article? i searched and found nothing you guys are making shit up

Scientist Sat Feb 19 23:59:50 2011 No.2569382

>>2569350
>government revolutions rare
Ever heard of France? I think they have had more governments than the number of years of their existence.

Because, with the industrial revolution, all this shit is changing. It's hard to predict the future because the past is so different.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:00:50 2011 No.2569393 File: 34 KB, 450x381, 1295036988709.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >polar shift I guess you could say the Earth's feeling a little....bi-polar

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:00:50 2011 No.2569396

>>2569374

i'm not the one talking about polar shift homey

i'm talking about shit that's actually happening

real world, like record food prices

high incidence of social unrest

you can blame it on this or that; why it's happening doesn't have anything to do with that it's happening

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:01:50 2011 No.2569399 >>2569374 1. get a calculator 2. solar maximum + pole shift + Yellowstone super volcano + nemesis + Mayan calendar + Middle east revolutions + peak oil 3. Shit is getting real

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:01:50 2011 No.2569400

>>2569350
Are you kidding me? You think shit is bad now?

We have seen worse, Black Plague, Genocide, 2 World Wars, thousands of conflicts, revolutions and civil wars, weapons of mass destruction, hundreds of economic slumps, hundreds of great empires that have risen and died, Ice Ages, massive droughts and much more. This shit is all normal. The world is, and always has been, it doesn't mean the end is near, it means that shit is happening in the world just as it always has, now we just see it all.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:01:50 2011 No.2569405 >>2569374 The way people behave is irrelevant But the cosmos is not The fact that asteroids hit the earth millions of years ago and caused mass extinction for the dinosaurs didn't happen by chance

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:03:50 2011 No.2569421 >>2569399 faggot + dog + poptart + DiCKS = you're a fucking retard hey i can do math too!

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:04:50 2011 No.2569433 >>2569382 Scientist, again, you are really fucking dumb when's the last time France had a revolution god damn moron

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:04:50 2011 No.2569436 >>2569405 >didn't happen by chance so god did it? Or is there a race of aliens launching asteroids at us from thousands of lightyears away?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:05:50 2011 No.2569437 >>2569380 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrKZMzK1oZs

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:05:50 2011 No.2569441 >>2569400 i didn't say it's bad now; it's getting there tho

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:05:50 2011 No.2569442 >>2569360 >when's the last time you saw the ground level of yellowstone raise 15 feet? Holy living fuck. Sauce?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:05:50 2011 No.2569444 File: 53 KB, 384x476, 13c851e09ac1271c9cd963fc77a30d80.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >set the threat level to "high"

Scientist Sun Feb 20 00:06:50 2011 No.2569445

>>2569433
It's been a while. Did you not read that part about the industrial revolution changing the rules?

Also, revolutions were common in developing countries, like France. Now the revolutions are happening in the Islamic shitholes. Should one be surprised? Not really.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:07:50 2011 No.2569452 >>2569442 http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/01/110119-yellowstone-park-supervolcano-eruption-magma- science/

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:07:50 2011 No.2569453

>>2569400

look, i didn't say end of the world

nor did i say this shit is unnatural; but it's not usual

sure we have wars from time to time, but storms don't last that long; the prevailing dynamic is peace and calm

with the weapons we have now the next war will take a greater toll than previous ones; its' basic common sense

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:07:50 2011 No.2569454 >>2569442 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrKZMzK1oZs

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:09:50 2011 No.2569463 >>2569437 i didn't ask for proof on yellowstone i already read that shit i asked about proof for threat level raised i haven't found any myself so i will continue to assert you guys are simply making that shit up

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:09:50 2011 No.2569465 >>2569437 No!!!! Not KAKU!! I just got trolled

Scientist Sun Feb 20 00:09:50 2011 No.2569466

>>2569405
I want you to participate in a little thought experiment with me.

Let's go to Vegas, and play poker for a whole week, 8 hours a day, and record every single hand which we were dealt. Now, after that week, I want you to calculate the odds that you were dealt those exact hands in that exact order, from the perspective of you just before you went to Vegas. It's pretty damn low. It's an absurdly small number.

Now, here's the 64 USD question, what are the odds that you were dealt those exact hands in that exact order, from you perspective after you came back from Vegas? One. The answer is one. While the odds of it happening again are ridiculously low, you are in a universe where it happened and you observed it, which means that it /did/ happen, probability of it happening be damned.

This is called the Anthropic principle, btw.

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:09:50 2011 No.2569469

>>2569380
here u fucking go buddy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrKZMzK1oZs

here is it again so u can take ur misinformed opinions and fix them
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrKZMzK1oZs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrKZMzK1oZs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrKZMzK1oZs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrKZMzK1oZs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrKZMzK1oZs

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:10:50 2011 No.2569475 File: 61 KB, 1205x881, 1249590633653.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2569454 >volcanoes >guest expert Michio Kaku

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:11:50 2011 No.2569477 >>2569475 I feel like I just got trolled too.

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:12:50 2011 No.2569494

>>2569453
Actually your completely wrong. Wars are now fought with UAVs and incredibly precise and advanced technology designed to minimize civilian casualties. Seeing as civilians always make up most of the death toll, we could reasonably predict significantly smaller death toll in a future war. Especially considering new medical technology etc.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:13:50 2011 No.2569495 File: 4 KB, 344x325, 1296443337966.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2569454 >640 millions years go >640 million >million >mfw

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:13:50 2011 No.2569496 >>2569445 industrial revolution is not causing revolutions in these countries what the fuck is this

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:13:50 2011 No.2569502 >>2569475 if you aren't going to believe it from a scientist, who are you going to believe it from?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:14:50 2011 No.2569510 File: 64 KB, 308x322, 12744851227811.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2568977 Oh man, I just watched that episode WE MUST CALL MICHAEL SCORN

Scientist Sun Feb 20 00:15:50 2011 No.2569518

>>2569496
You're being dense or stupid. I said that
1- revolutions in shitholes are not rare
2- most islamic nations are shitholes
3- the world after the industrial revolution is sufficiently different than the world before that we shouldn't use the history of governments and revolutions to make predictions so easily

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:19:50 2011 No.2569544 >>2569469 number one, i'm not your "buddy" faggot number two, can you fucking read? see >>2569463

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:19:50 2011 No.2569545 bump for interest

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:20:50 2011 No.2569549 >>2569544 www.dhs.gov/files/programs/Copy_of_press_release_0046.shtm

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:21:50 2011 No.2569554 >>2569494 dude, you are so dumb you think what we got going on in pakistan is a war? lmao pure and simple, the last great war ended with nukes. the next real war will start with them

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:21:50 2011 No.2569555 File: 8 KB, 397x167, ctl.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] for the stupid people out there

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:22:50 2011 No.2569561 >>2569544 shut the fuck up. you have the IQ of a chimp and you're shitting up this board

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:22:50 2011 No.2569564 >>2569554 >Hurr nuclear war is imminent What is this shit?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:22:50 2011 No.2569567 >>2569554 Fuck off, Algae fag.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:24:50 2011 No.2569578 >>2569544 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrKZMzK1oZs buddy, listen to what she's saying "causing miles of ground to rise dramatically" faggot

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:26:50 2011 No.2569593

>>2569554
Are you fucking kidding me? The nuclear era is over. That shit is nothing but a deterrent, no nation is dumb enough to nuke another one. It would just be a shit storm. Even if, worse case scenario, those shit holes nuke each other, nothing of value was lost.

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:26:50 2011 No.2569596

>>2569518

you're still saying nothing

you say "not rare" but look at the countries that have been revolting

mubarak was in power for 30 years
tunisian guy was in for around as long a time

ghadaffi like 40 years
yemen guy same deal like 30 years

this shit is relatively rare
the region has been stable for at least a generation

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:27:50 2011 No.2569601 >>2569567 algae?

>>	Scientist Sun Feb 20 00:27:50 2011 No.2569606 >>2569596 Sudan would like to have a word with you. Zimbabwe would like to have a word with you. Really. What is happening now might be a little unusual, but so was the second world war. It's nothing like "OMG the world is ending!"

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:28:50 2011 No.2569607 File: 205 KB, 620x631, 1280185907418.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2569596 SHUT THE FUCK UP i have never raged so hard on 4chan, please god i hope this is a master troll

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:28:50 2011 No.2569608 >>2569549 you guys are impressively dumb that link has been posted at least twice already it says nothing

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:29:50 2011 No.2569616 >>2569555 "elevated" IS the level it doesn't mean it was elevated god damn; or if it does mean what you think it does, find me a news article on it ......

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:30:50 2011 No.2569624 >>2569607 stfu & alt + f4 thx bro :)

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:31:50 2011 No.2569628 >>2569561 suck a dick faggot i'm not the one who can't read and keeps posting the same shit that doesn't even prove anything

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:32:50 2011 No.2569634 march 4 the goverment shutdown over buget >>2569267 march 15 the polls shift to fredom april "The Shit Gets Real" when welfare don`t come in mail

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:32:50 2011 No.2569641

>>2569596
I'm a history minor, and I can tell you, with confidence, that we NEVER try to predict the durability of regimes based on how long the regime in-power has existed.

History doesn't work like that.

This was a demographic event.
Young populations + College educated + Unemployed/Underemployed = Volatility

Whether the regime is old or new is relatively inconsequential. Sage for not science.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:33:50 2011 No.2569644 >>2569616 IT WAS CHANGED TO YELLOW ON FEB 18TH 2011. IT WAS CHANGED TO 'ELEVATED' ON FEB 18 2011 IT WAS NOT YELLOW BEFORE THIS GOD DAM

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:33:50 2011 No.2569645 >>2569578 you have got to be the dumbest motherfucker alive i didn't say shit about yellowstone, again i said proof on threat level

>>	OilwhatOil? !tkJh0c3Ss2 Sun Feb 20 00:34:50 2011 No.2569648 >OP post >"Hey /sci/ national security hurp derp 80 posts later >"FUCKING KILL YOURSELF YOU STUPID FAGGOT >RAAAAAAAAAAGE lol wut

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:34:50 2011 No.2569650 >>2569644 proof find me proof faggot you can't jsut say it find me a news article with proof that threat level was changed there should be one, this shit gets reported faaggggggggot find proof or stfu

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:35:50 2011 No.2569659 >>2569650 reported

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:35:50 2011 No.2569666

>>2569593
>>2569564

you don't understand war then do you?

war is the total loss of restraint; read von clauswitz

the impulse to destroy is the will to self-destroy; it is not deterred by your ability to kill them

threaten a suicide bomber with death; they just lulz and blow your ass up too

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:37:50 2011 No.2569675 File: 4 KB, 126x122, 1268664821133.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:37:50 2011 No.2569676

>>2569606

sudan is a couple hundred thousand dead people

ww2 was near 100 million

and if actual war breaks out today we're talking about much higher casualties

it's reality, sorry you're a pussy about things, but you're not going to survive unless you have a proper understanding of the risk

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:39:50 2011 No.2569688 >>2569641 i didn't say the duration was consequential other dude said it wasn't rare i said it was relatively rare, on account of the duration lrn2 logic faggot

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:39:50 2011 No.2569693 >>2569650 faggot use ur brain it says current threat, updated 02-18-2011, is changed to yellow. are u actually that stupid wow..

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:40:50 2011 No.2569699 >>2569676 >if actual war breaks out today we're talking about much higher casualties Yeah no, wars of the past were meat throws because they were relatively low-tech. A full blown world war of today between super-powers would be a much different story.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:40:50 2011 No.2569700 >>2569659 ?

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:40:50 2011 No.2569703

>>2569666
Oh, Christ. A fucking 19th century theorist said that.

You are beyond fucking stupid if you think things are the same, and don't give me that "hurr human nature" bullshit. You couldn't define human nature if your pathetic life depended on it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:41:50 2011 No.2569705 >>2569641 wair go poltick post wair go 15/3/11 post

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:42:50 2011 No.2569709 >>2569688 >i said it was relatively rare, on account of the duration Which is why you're a fucking moron. It's not rare at all. If you knew anything about logic, you'd understand why.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:42:50 2011 No.2569710 >>2569693 just find a news article that link doesn't say it was changed the page may have been updated today it's always fucking updated day by day just find a news article you should be able to or stfu kthx

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:44:50 2011 No.2569722 >>2569067 all planets orbit the sun elliptically grumblegrumble

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:45:50 2011 No.2569728

>>2569703

yah and if you had actually read the book "on war" you might have an idea; but you haven't you're just talking shit

herp they spoke english in the 19th century too; some shit stays the same

human nature is human nature; the fact that humans go to war is pretty much constant

i could tell you a thing or two about human nature, but you wouldn't recognise it

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:45:50 2011 No.2569729 >>2569699 exactly, somebody can think up in this bitch

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:47:50 2011 No.2569743 >>2569729 He's not agreeing with you, kid. He's saying the days of total war are over. Economic integration means that wars will likely be robotic scuffles in third-world shitholes, not bombs over Berlin. Human loss will be minimal. Get a clue.

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:47:50 2011 No.2569745

>>2569709

it is actually relatively rare

they've been around for a generation

all of a sudden they're falling like dominos

that's relatively rare

war happens every generation or every other generation as well

it doesn't make it unnatural but it is relatively rare

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:48:50 2011 No.2569753

>>2569693
if u want a news report go watch fox news

i bet thats where u get all ur information from

a mainstream news agency that has to publicly apologize for mixing up a tape of ron paul

yeah, go watch fox news u might learn something

and ur an idiot for thinking a mainstream news agency can produce an entire broadcast +24 hours of this happening

this isn't live shit

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:50:50 2011 No.2569763

>>2569728
You can't be a day over 15 if you feel the need to mention "On War" when I JUST told you what century Clausewitz is from.

Very little of practical value exists within its pages these days. It's a mainly a source of wisdom, not of strategic importance.

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:50:50 2011 No.2569764

>>2569743

he's right about
>wars of the past were meat throws because they were relatively low-tech. A full blown world war of today between super-powers would be a much different story.

whether it happens or not, well you're betting that it won't. that goes against all of history which has seen full blown war in the past

you think somehow "today is *different*"

righhhhhtt

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:51:50 2011 No.2569772 this is what happens when high schoolers find out about 4chan

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:52:50 2011 No.2569776 >>2569764 What part of >Economic integration did you miss? You wanna talk about history? Tell me a single moment in history where human beings were this intertwined. You can't.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:52:50 2011 No.2569777 >>2569753 you're wrong about fox news, but at least you're being wrong is consistent what's that, can't find an article on the elevated threat level? that's what i thought you were wrong on that too faggot but feel free to keep talking shit

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:53:50 2011 No.2569783 >>2569745 You're still missing the point. It can't be "rare" if every symptom of societal decay exists prior to the fall. It was inevitable, not rare. The only question was time.

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:53:50 2011 No.2569784

>>2569776

international trade is nothing new

that we're this intertwined jsut increases the risk

but to say that "herp we're intertwined so we won't have war" is foundationless and contradicts all of history

think about it, you have to be intertwined with someone in order to go to war with them

if completely separate, no war

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:54:50 2011 No.2569790 >>2569777 >He takes Faux News seriously Annnnnnd the thread is over.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:55:50 2011 No.2569794 >>2569763 right because only people who publish today are worth anything god you're fucking stupid emerson was 19th century too; wisdom is timeless and i'll repeat, unless you've actually read it you don't know what you're talking about

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:55:50 2011 No.2569795 glenn beck's retarded mongrel son has found /sci/

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:55:50 2011 No.2569797 >>2569790 no you misread that; not surprising let me clarify: he was wrong and so are you about suggesting i watch fox news

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:56:50 2011 No.2569803 ITT: pussies projecting their fear of war and hope that it doesn't happen onto the future wake up

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:56:50 2011 No.2569804 >>2569784 >contradicts history >>explain why history isn't entirely relevant anymore >hurr, HURRRRR human nature plbllblblbllfffft

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:57:50 2011 No.2569813 >>2569784 You've never read the poverty of historicism by Karl Popper, have you? I can tell you haven't, because you have the gall to assume that history is predictive. Get the fuck out.

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:58:50 2011 No.2569815

>>2569783

inevitable and rare are not mutually exclusive, what are you trying to say?

that things have causes is not saying anything

that these leaders have all lasted a generation and all of a sudden they're falling and/or being challenged to fall is relatively rare

simple

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:59:50 2011 No.2569818 >>2569804 riiight, history isn't relevant? lulz wishful thinking pussy we're not robots

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 00:59:50 2011 No.2569822 >>2569815 >inevitable and rare are not mutually exclusive They are, you tremendously stupid fuck. If something is GOING TO HAPPEN, it cannot be considered RARE when it HAPPENS!

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:00:50 2011 No.2569827 >>2569777 we found a glitch in the matrix you're brain is in an infinite loop denial

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:01:50 2011 No.2569834

>>2569813

yah you can predict history, to a limited extent

if i look at my window and see storm clouds i'm thinking it might rain

also things recur thru history. we have cycles for many things, sunspots, seasons, day and night

war recurs as well

your wishful thinking cannot escape this basic fact of human nature

too simple for you tho apparently

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:01:50 2011 No.2569835 >>2569818 >history isn't relevant anymore? >>not entirely relevant Reading comprehension, son. Also: >>2569813

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:02:50 2011 No.2569839 >>2569818 IT'S PRECISELY BECAUSE WE ARE NOT ROBOTS THAT HISTORY IS NOT PREDICTIVE, AS YOU ASSUME IT TO BE, YOU MIND-BLOWINGLY STUPID FUCK!

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:03:50 2011 No.2569845 >>2569822 rare is a statement relative to frequency, not whether something was determined or not everything that happens is determined does that mean nothing is rare? what do we have the word for then genius?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:03:50 2011 No.2569847 >>2569839 he who cannot draw on three thousand years is living from hand to mouth

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:04:50 2011 No.2569851 >>2569827 what? still haven't an article of proof? still talking shit tho somehow....? typical

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:04:50 2011 No.2569852 >>2569834 Thank you for one of the most easily reportable posts of all time. Farewell!

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:04:50 2011 No.2569854 >>2569753 as soon as i read "you're wrong about fox news" i laughed

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:05:50 2011 No.2569859 >>2569835 not entirely relevant or not relevant say what you mean to say homey no pussy footing

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:06:50 2011 No.2569863 What did I miss? What's happening?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:06:50 2011 No.2569866 >>2569839 the seasons aren't robots either and yet they recur........ some things are predictive i know after winter we're going to see spring, barring a geological catastrophe if history is cyclical then it is predictive

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:07:50 2011 No.2569873

>>2569834
What's going on here? Is this like a history major trolling? There are no laws to history. History, contrary to popular belief, does not repeat itself. We come to that conclusion in hindsight, which only leads to a diluted understanding of the event itself.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:07:50 2011 No.2569876 >>2569852 reportable; damn you really are a pussy go cry to mommy and run away while you're at it faggot

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:08:50 2011 No.2569879 >>2569859 Not entirely relevant, and in case you're missing the point of that statement, only one relevant factor need be different to reach an entirely different outcome. Never thought /sci/ harbored such irredeemably retarded people.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:08:50 2011 No.2569880 >>2569854 see >>2569797

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:09:50 2011 No.2569885

>>2569866
>if history is cyclical then it is predictive
I had a great history professor for one of my GEs in college I would love to run this past.

He'd probably laugh and tell me to watch out for Roman Legions on patrol.

Anyway, I take it I missed a good troll thread.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:10:50 2011 No.2569890 >>2569873 see >>2569866 for example, you say it's impossible to predict: i predict the sun will rise tomorrow i predict spring will follow winter pretty easy actually

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:11:50 2011 No.2569899 >>2569890 >Comparing physical laws to human activities Apples and oranges at best.

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:12:50 2011 No.2569901

>>2569879

sure, cycles don't necessarily last forever

but they do recur; and history is relevant

i know the sun will rise tomorrow because historically it has always followed night

we know spring will follow winter because history is relevant, and that's what happened in history

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:13:50 2011 No.2569907 >>2569885 see >>2569890 what, you don't think the sun will rise tomorrow? i'm predicting it. can i not predict it? wanna bet on it?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:14:50 2011 No.2569914 >implying humans aren't subject to physical laws humans must be magic then lmao

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:14:50 2011 No.2569916 this is way off topic

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:14:50 2011 No.2569917 >>2569901 You know, I think you're onto something. For instance: I know that since you have nothing of consequence to say, you'll continue posting the same irrationalities over and over. Goddamn history repeating itself.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:14:50 2011 No.2569918 >>2569914 that was for you>>2569899

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:15:50 2011 No.2569920

>>2569901
History has nothing to do with the sun rising. I don't need to know the sun has risen before to calculate that it will. That's because science is falsifiable and operates under given conditions I can examine.

If human beings were as simple as you portray them to be, it would make a lot of economists happy.

Their dismal science would be far less dismal.

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:15:50 2011 No.2569925

>>2569067
dude the birds died becouse the doucche bags where fucking up farmers crops 10 miles away from where they died.

so the farmer put posion out and the douche bag birds ate it. THEN i know this might seem shocking to you but the birds flew form 10 miles. into the town and they all fell dead from the sky becouse of the poision the farmer put in his field to kill the douche bag birds.

HARPP pole shift ect ect NWO did not kill the fucking birds the farmers did u tin hat waring massive faggot

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:16:50 2011 No.2569929 >>2569914 Human behavior is not to the extent that we can predict it. Maybe in the future, but certainly not now. Give neuroscience a chance though.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:16:50 2011 No.2569933 >>2569917 true, and you continue to be a pussy see, it's easy

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:18:50 2011 No.2569942 >>2569925 Actually, in both of the large die offs the birds died from multiple blunt traumas (before hitting the ground).

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:18:50 2011 No.2569943

>>2569920

you're twisting

what happens in the past is what we're talking about; patterns

history of the sun's rising, for example

history is not just human history

some patterns are easier to see than others

sun rising every day is easy

human patterns are not so easy to see, obviously, but that doesn't mean they don't exist

for example, you cite economists; certain people make a lot of money off of other people because they see the patterns and exploit them

it is possible to see human patterns, tho maybe not for you

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:19:50 2011 No.2569945 ITT: Normalcy Bias >Deal with it

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:19:50 2011 No.2569947

>>2569901
you are misguided

wars are more or less poisson distributions, part of a chaotic system

the virtually infinite factors that lead to a interoceanic war can't even be expressed mathematically, and aside from the overly conspicuous factions, most of the components of conflict are non-additive, that is they are non-linear and free to succumb to intense oscillation and variation

the sun and the moon offer no such similarities to human behavior

would you supposed flipping 10 heads in a row would increase the probability of getting tails on the 11th toss?

history is irreconcilable with predictive models because human behavior is chaotic,

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:19:50 2011 No.2569949 >>2569925 did fox news tell u that? if so, i don't care to argue it >I don't care to argue against Fox.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:20:50 2011 No.2569950 >>2569929 human behavior is more complex, but we are subject to physical laws as well, and certain tendencies repeat

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:21:50 2011 No.2569956 >>2569945 exactly. these pussies are afraid of change, especially severely disruptive change but the only way you're going to make it thru is if you deal with it; ignorance may be bliss but it will also get your ass killed

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:22:50 2011 No.2569958

>>2569943
Please

Stop

Typing

Like

This

Anyway, you ignored the gist of my post. Is human behavior predictable, or even understandable, to the extent the physical universe is?

No. It is not. It's nonsensical to say that through the mere reading of history I can predict, with certainty, what will happen tomorrow. There's not a single historian in the world who would believe something so ridiculous.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:22:50 2011 No.2569961 >>2569947 chaotic is an abdication on your part you're simply saying because we can't see and measure all the strings they must not exist just not true

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:23:50 2011 No.2569964 >>2569950 Tendencies that are irrelevant to the predictability of something as complex as war.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:23:50 2011 No.2569965 >>2569956 agreed, some people can't accept life-changing facts

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:23:50 2011 No.2569968 >>2569949 nope i read about it online some where but i forget where. but it is ture mr tin hat

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:24:50 2011 No.2569970 >>2569961 >abdication What?

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:24:50 2011 No.2569972

>>2569958

there is always uncertainty, even in the physical universe; which is why scientists change their minds so often

the same can be said about human behavior; we can't predict with 100% accuracy anything; the sun may not rise tomorrow, but patterns do exist and i would bet you that it will

some things are easier to see than others; human behavior is more complex but equally patterned and determined;

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:25:50 2011 No.2569973 >>2569965 Your IP says you just quoted yourself. Stop that.

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:25:50 2011 No.2569978

>>2569970

abdication, as in throwing up your arms and claiming "chaotic" is taking the easy way out

humans are a part of the universe, just as stars are

we follow the same laws that govern all nature

nature does repeat itself; there are patterns, and humans are no exception

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:26:50 2011 No.2569982

>>2569972
>there is always uncertainty, even in the physical universe; which is why scientists change their minds so often
Gonna need a citation on that. Scientists can experiment with the universe to come to falsifiable conclusions. This is something we can't do with human behavior. Not yet at least.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:26:50 2011 No.2569984 >>2569964 because it is more difficult does not make it impossible

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:26:50 2011 No.2569988 >>2569968 foxnews.com? LMFAO..

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:27:50 2011 No.2569989 >>2569978 Definition of ABDICATE transitive verb 1 : to cast off : discard 2 : to relinquish (as sovereign power) formally ?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:28:50 2011 No.2569991 >>2569973 not true; some people on /sci/ can apparently think for themselves, you apparently not included

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:28:50 2011 No.2569993 >>2569978 >abdication I don't think this word means what you think it means

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:29:50 2011 No.2570001 >>2569973 bullshit.. i'm not even a part of this argument i could care less if history can repeat its self stop trying to make yourself look more valid

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:29:50 2011 No.2570003 >>2569982 are you claiming scientists don't ever change their minds about the universe?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:30:50 2011 No.2570007 >>2569989 i think the word applies, but i clarified it "taking the easy way out" now stop arguing semantics and get to the point

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:30:50 2011 No.2570009 >>2570003 Not because of uncertainty. Because theories are falsifiable. I just said that.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:30:50 2011 No.2570012 >>2570001 either way you're wrong about IP

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:31:50 2011 No.2570018 >>2570007 >semantics does not mean language an example of semantics is arguing whether a foul ball or foul tip is the same thing, not a blatant misuse of a word

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:32:50 2011 No.2570019 >>2570009 no because evidence changes sometimes more evidence is gained that contradicts old evidence the picture is never 100% complete

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:33:50 2011 No.2570026 >>2570018 still arguing semantics i see? i didn't use the word wrong you just don't understand the way i used it apparently abdication, as in giving up as in taking the easy way out as in being a pussy

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:36:50 2011 No.2570044

>>2570019
Right. Evidence changes, and theories are tested, retested, and either kept or discarded. This is the basic principle of falsifiability, which is one of the building blocks of the scientific method.

Can you apply the scientific method to human behavior? Can I predict how raising taxes will change consumption next year? I can probably guess, but I can't really predict it. This is the problem with the social sciences. Until we can totally predict human behavior, it's kind of useless to say that something will absolutely happen, much less that a basic understanding of history can help.

Not that history is bad, just that, aside from wisdom, there isn't much substantial there (not to mention its subjective). People who say it is predictive suffer from confirmation bias.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:37:50 2011 No.2570049 >>2570026 >i didn't use the word wrong you just don't understand the way i used it apparently You're inability to properly grasp the English language isn't our fault.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:38:50 2011 No.2570055 >>2570049 i explained how i used it instead of responding to the conveyed meaning you insist on harping on technicalities as perceived by you you're getting nowhere

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:40:50 2011 No.2570066 I have a feeling someone who would have loved a certain dearly departed news board is taking out his frustration here.

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:41:50 2011 No.2570070

>>2570044

science is also guilty of confirmation bias

the idea to test a theory to begin with is self-selecting

human behavior is predictable; not as easy as the sun rising, but we exhibit patterns

not 100% sure; again, that is also true in science; which is why, falsifiability or not, scientists change their minds.

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:44:50 2011 No.2570089

>>2570070
>not 100% sure; again, that is also true in science; which is why, falsifiability or not, scientists change their minds.
There's so much you're not getting, so I want you to review this:
http://blogs.hbr.org/front-burner/2008/11/funny-thing-about-predictive-e.html
and try to reflect on your arguments.

Good luck.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:45:50 2011 No.2570097 ITT: A retard who doesn't understand we are living in a globalized society

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:46:50 2011 No.2570103 >>2570089 Oh, and the New York Times article mentioned. It's good stuff.

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:46:50 2011 No.2570107

>>2570089

you seem to think the scientific world is different from the human world

same world, same laws

some simple, some complex; same nature tho

for example, mcdonalds can predict people get hungry and are willing to pay somebody else to feed them

business models rely heavily on an understanding of the patterns in human nature

obviously the mcdonalds example is simple, but the point remains

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:47:50 2011 No.2570111 >>2570055 >implying you conveyed something by improper usage of word(s) words that already have meaning do not manifest new meanings in order for anon to convey something

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:48:50 2011 No.2570117

>>2570089

also, the article mentions the housing collapse as an example of not being able to predict human behavior

it's true, most people didn't see it coming; but some people did, which proves it is possible, just difficult, which is what i've been saying all along

wiki john paulson

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:48:50 2011 No.2570119 >>2570107 Just read the articles. Hopefully you'll understand what I'm saying. Also, if you want more on the faults of economic models involving behavior, read: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/06/magazine/06Economic-t.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:49:50 2011 No.2570121 >>2570117 also, Nouriel Roubini

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:49:50 2011 No.2570124 >>2570117 people that anticipate events that appear entirely random and sudden are people that merely fade the consensus little to no predictive power can be gained by analyzing past behavior

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:49:50 2011 No.2570125 >>2570117 It's not about seeing things coming. It's about being able to PROVE that they will happen, with precision. Please read the articles.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:50:50 2011 No.2570128 >>2570119 look, it's simple; check out john paulson and roubini the fact that people make money on models of human behavior and do so consistently means it can be done

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:51:50 2011 No.2570132 >>2570111 either way i clarified the confusion; i explained the meaning i was trying to convey but you just keep harping .........

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:51:50 2011 No.2570134 >>2570128 Why are you not reading the articles? You don't know shit about Roubini, or you'd know he was the one against the sub-primes BECAUSE THEY ATTEMPTED TO MODEL BEHAVIOR!

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:52:50 2011 No.2570138 >>2570124 lulz, no it just says that most people are incapable of it some people are

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:53:50 2011 No.2570143

>>2569400
I'm pretty sure that during many of those events, people genuinely thought the world was ending. Even if I give some of the crazy theories the benefit of the doubt, it's nothing in comparison when you imagine millions of people dying at the hands of an unknown and incurable plague, witnessing the power of the atom bomb or seeing the mighty city of Rome failing to repel an enemy army for the first time. I find it both dreadful and intriguing to imagine how it would feel like to be alive at such a time.

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:53:50 2011 No.2570144

>>2570134
Oh, and here is his assault on the system, a system based on crude modeling of human behavior:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/financialcrisis/7675641/Nouriel-Roubini-forget-sub-
prime-mortgages.-Its-the-sub-prime-financial-system-we-need-to-fix.html

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:53:50 2011 No.2570145 >>2570138 this conversation proves the same thing <shrug> but you can't see what you can't see can you?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:54:50 2011 No.2570153 >>2570125 people prove it when they consistently make money doing so it is the future tho, so proof only happens when it is realised that said, again, some people consistently make money studying and exploiting human behavior patterns

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:55:50 2011 No.2570161

>>2570138
You are so terribly misinformed. Please read these articles and prove that human beings are capable of learning from their mistakes.

Then again, you probably don't want to. It'll ruin all the nice quotes you have about human nature that revolve around failures to understand ;_;

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:55:50 2011 No.2570162 >>2570134 you miss the point the collapse was predictable; paulson and roubini predicted it, as did others but then there are those who say "nobody could have seen it coming". people like you

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:56:50 2011 No.2570165 What in the fuck is going on here?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:56:50 2011 No.2570171 >>2570162 Oh God, why are you so stupid? The articles refuting everything you say ARE IN THIS THREAD. Are you afraid of learning?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:58:50 2011 No.2570177 >>2570144 Here's a better one, actually: http://www.roubini.com/globalmacro-monitor/260428/why_are_we__irrational___the_path_from_neoclassica l_to_behavioral_economics_2_0

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 01:59:50 2011 No.2570181

>>2570161

"learn from their mistakes"??

you imply that we could somehow change our patterns

not true and not what i'm saying

i'm saying certain people can observe our tendencies, i wouldn't even call them mistakes; i don't see history in accidental terms

the financial crisis was entirely predictable even tho most people were not able to predict it

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 02:00:50 2011 No.2570187

>>2570171

no they don't otherwise you would be able to refute

you can't make the arguments yourself? because this is where we are now

the fact that you cite roubini proves my point

he called something that other people have siad was impossible to call

that he is calling for the system to fix itself is irrelevant

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 02:01:50 2011 No.2570193 >>2570181 >>2570187 This one. This one article. I'll link it again, just for you: http://www.roubini.com/globalmacro-monitor/260428/why_are_we__irrational___the_path_from_neoclassica l_to_behavioral_economics_2_0 READ. THIS.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 02:03:50 2011 No.2570200 >>2570171 being against subprime doesn't mean shit; you're conflating one thing with another hell, i'm against war but that doesn't mean it's not going to happen

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 02:05:50 2011 No.2570214

>>2570193

most people are irrational

predictably irrational

that's why people consistently predict their irrational behavior and profit from it

you really are dumb; ignoring reality, which is that most people act one way, and a select few see things that they don't

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 02:06:11 2011 No.2570227 we've always been at war with eastasia

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 02:06:50 2011 No.2570223 >>2570214 >Reads the title >Immediately twists the article to confirm his preconceptions You are fucking textbook.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 02:06:50 2011 No.2570224 >>2570193 this article doesn't contradict what i'm saying daniel gilbert has written similar things again, people are irrational predictably irrational

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 02:08:50 2011 No.2570236

>>2570223

i skimmed it; it's not saying what you think it does

are you familiar with the work of daniel gilbert?

people are individually irrational; he has statistics that model this behavior in its various forms

for example, people play teh lottery; that is mathematically irrational but people do it; and other people make money on it

behavior is predictable, get over yourself

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 02:09:50 2011 No.2570251 This is still here? Fucking tinfoil hats from /new/.

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 02:11:50 2011 No.2570260

>>2570193

nearly all successful businesses and investors contradict your point

successful business requires modelling human behavior, deriving patterns, and projecting those patterns onto the future; ie. predicting future consumption

it is possible of course because people do it!

then again, most people are just consumers

>>	Dwayne !wJK.u.eKr6 Sun Feb 20 02:35:50 2011 No.2570419 Nerds raging

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 02:40:50 2011 No.2570451 >>2570419 this is /sci/, and you're here and no

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 02:50:50 2011 No.2570485 >>2570451 Nerd

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 03:03:50 2011 No.2570540 >>2570485 no

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 03:04:50 2011 No.2570541 The fuck happened here?

Anonymous Sun Feb 20 03:05:50 2011 No.2570544

http://lubbockonline.com/interact/blog-post/may/2011-02-15/was-wmd-found-san-diego

It's because of the WMD found at a harbor in San Diego, and the fucking news confession of a security guard saying it wasn't the first time, just before an army public affairs officer shuts him up. I was watching this shit on fucking tv, and the story disappeared.

Also probably has something to do with the entire middle east erupting in chaos right now.

This is what happens when we nuke /new/

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 20 03:13:50 2011 No.2570583 >>2570544 well, for one, I never went to /new/. I'm the one saying war is inevitable similar to FBI saying attack by WMD is inevitable http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/zawahiri-weapons-mass-destruction/2011/02/14/id/386055

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