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Hey sci/ what you think of this guys?

He has crazy theories like QM is incomplete and needs to be modified. So QM will look more like CM in the future. Also, he thinks imaginary numbers will play a big part in this.

Plus he has crazy theories like consciousness is QM based. That computers will never be like humans because they are Turing complete and the mind is based on QM that is random and can go beyound incompleteness to see the platonic world.

>> No.2552092

Who the fuck is he?
>> Also, he thinks imaginary numbers will play a big part in this.
Must be a retard seeing as QM is inherently on the complex plane.

>> No.2552106

>>2552092

Roger Penrose.

Also, I explained that bit bad.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Road-Reality-Complete-Guide-Universe/dp/0224044478

He wrote that book.

>> No.2552107

>>2552070
>>Hey sci/ what you think of this guys?
Who the fuck is that guy?

>>QM is incomplete and needs to be modified.
Looks pretty complete to me.

>>QM will look more like CM
Why?

>>he thinks imaginary numbers will play a big part in this.
Only idiots think there is some special or magical property to imaginary numbers. I can do basic kinematics using imaginary numbers if I so choose.

>>consciousness is QM based.........
Complete derp.

>> No.2552130

>>2552107
>Who the fuck is that guy?

A mathematical Physicist that works at Oxford University. He is famous for proving with Stephen Hawking the singularity theorem.

>Looks pretty complete to me.
He argues in his book using thought experiments. That QM is incomplete as the picture it provides is nonsense.

>>QM will look more like CM
He was taught general relativity. Some hate him for that and see him as one of the old Physicists.

>Only idiots think there is some special or magical property to imaginary numbers. I can do basic kinematics using imaginary numbers if I so choose.
Well, they do have magical properties. He even has a chapter on it. I can link you to how to download the book and the chapter. He talks about how imaginary numbers are magical.

For example, a complex function if differentiable once, is infinitely differentiable. Not true for real functions.

>Complete derp.

http://plus.maths.org/issue18/features/penrose/

>> No.2552133

>Plus he has crazy theories like consciousness is QM based. That computers will never be like humans because they are Turing complete and the mind is based on QM that is random and can go beyound incompleteness to see the platonic world.

Can't speak for the other points, but I know this has been disproven. Due to the nature of the brain, a wave function collapses within picoseconds, so there's really no time for any 'hurr durr quantum concsiousness i know it i watched What the bleep do we know?? hur dur' stuff to happen.

>> No.2552144

http://rapidshare.com/#!download|74l35|150122971|Roger_Penrose_-_The_Road_to_Reality.pdf|14511

Here is his book. Basically, 1,000 pages.

>> No.2552157

>>2552130
>That QM is incomplete as the picture it provides is nonsense.
No. That was an objection to QM to begin with. Guess what? THE FUCKING EXPERIMENTAL RESULTS CONFIRMED THE "NONSENSE"

Nothing short of hard contradiction means anything in thought experiments.

>> No.2552159

>>2552133

Why do I come to this forum when it's full of fucking trolls and idiots like you.

>> No.2552162

>>2552133
This, Penrose is a great guy, but he was wrong about this theory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_mysticism#Legitimate_Texts

QM *does* play a role in the low-level details of light-harvesting in plant chlorophyll, however.

>> No.2552172

>>2552159
You may not like him as a tripfag, but what he said is correct. All evidence suggests that superposition cannot exist on length or time scales sufficient to influence the outcome of neurological processes, and is certainly too limited in effect to be the fundamental principle of the human brain.

>> No.2552179

>>2552172
>All evidence suggests that superposition cannot exist on length or time scales sufficient to influence the outcome of neurological processes
In a body-temperature human brain, I mean of course.

>> No.2552204

>>2552162
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19826544.000-do-birds-see-with-quantum-eyes.html

Birds use qm too. I'd be more surprised if qm didn't play a part in consciousness

>> No.2552224

>>2552172
All evidence suggested that something couldn't come from nothing, u-turns are common

>> No.2552232

>>2552224
And what evidence has countered this?

>> No.2552234

>>2552204 consciousness
You've got to prove consciousness exists before you go trying to explain how it works.

>> No.2552237

>>2552204
> I'd be more surprised if qm didn't play a part in consciousness
Why?

>> No.2552248

>>2552234
Reported for one of the worst trolls ever seen

>> No.2552874

that pic is fucking hilarious