/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.2528216]

Tell me, /sci/entists, would it work?

[Anonymous No.2528233]

Sounds like a great idea, OP.
Except that everybody would be addicted to nicotine, and that they'd probably overeat (even salad will make you fat if you eat too much).

[EK !EKFQOBUFnQ No.2528266]

>>2528233
>even salad will make you fat if you eat too much)

lolno.

[Anonymous No.2528274]

>>2528266
errrr, wrong.
Eat enough of anything digestible and you'll get fat.
If energy in > energy out then you gain weight. It's real simple.

[Anonymous No.2528273]

Caffeine is addictive and suppresses the appetite (anecdotally anyway, it seems to suppress mine) yet that doesn't keep most people from getting fat.

[EK !EKFQOBUFnQ No.2528290]

>>2528274
you cannot 'build' fat without the appropriate raw materials. you need fatty foods to be able to deposit fat,
salad doesn't have any glycogen or fatty acids (not by itself)

so you cannot 'grow' fat, just by eating salad.

[Anonymous No.2528306]

>>2528290
Fair enough. I bow down to your superior knowledge on the subject

[Anonymous No.2528335]

>>2528290
The human body can convert simple carbohydrates into tri-glycerides for storage.

You can 'grow' your own fat. Just like you grow your own amino acids from composite parts.

[Anonymous No.2528378]

Sounds alright but no one would enjoy eating anymore.

[Anonymous No.2528382]

>>2528216
or you just get the fuck out of USA. No more obesity.

[Anonymous No.2528384]

eating nicotine will kill you

[Anonymous No.2528389]

Feed fat people to starving people - solve obesity and world hunger...

[Anonymous No.2528406]

>>2528389
im ok with this

[Anonymous No.2528440]

"If you eat fat you get fat! If you don't eat fat you won't get fat!"

*sigh*

[Anonymous No.2528441]

>>2528290
>you need fatty foods to be able to deposit fat

[Anonymous No.2528530]

>>2528441

[Anonymous No.2528543]

>>2528389

what are the consequences of cannibalism?

[Anonymous No.2528547]

>>2528543
kuru

[Anonymous No.2528562]

>>2528547
no, i mean, is it okay for a human to eat another human? a professor of mine once told me that human meat would be the best meat a human could eat, if it weren't for some kind of enzyme in it that could not be digested and would "eat you from inside".

is it really like that?

[Anonymous No.2528567]

>>2528562
not as far as I know

[Anonymous No.2528571]

>>2528562
Autointoxication. Seriously, that shit is deadly for you. If you don't roast human meat as good as possible, you'll die. Proven on practice in the Saint-Petersburg when it was sieged.

[Anonymous No.2528572]

>>2528567
see >>2528547

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuru_(disease)

[Anonymous No.2528577]

>>2528571
Oh wait, nvm. I used the wrong term. In english, autointoxication stands for a bullshit pseudoscience. I don't know the right term in English, as I'm not from England/Murrikka.

[Anonymous No.2528582]

>>2528543
Kuru.

As a general rule, the further up the food chain something is, the more likely it is to have dangerous levels of toxins in it.

(For example, Plankton consume 2 units of toxin each. Small fish each eat 200 plankton. Large fish each eat 20 small fish. We eat 2 big fish.)

[Anonymous No.2528586]

for me, it works
but without any salads or healthy food

[Anonymous No.2528588]

>>2528562
In moderation, but you will eventually die out. Human meat isn't the best meat to eat. For example, eating the meat of an individual who has an unhealthy diet isn't recommended.

[The Doctor No.2529934]

You can get fat from salad, but under normal circumstances you'll never be able to cover your normal energy needs just eating salad. We aren't rabbits.

[Rainbow Dash !!pGgXu8jfKhv No.2529942]

>>2528216
I vote you test it out on yourself.

[Anonymous No.2529946]

>you need fatty foods to be able to deposit fat

No.

[Anonymous No.2529950]

>>2528216

People would cover their salads with blends of vegetable oil and sugar (protip: they already do) and everybody would stay fat.

Besides, the best way to lose weight is to maximize fat and protein intake, minimize carbohydrate intake, and ELIMINATE fructose from the diet completely.

Salads=/=magic bullet

[Anonymous No.2529953]

>>2529946
Hey, it's
>>2529950
here. pic related.

[Anonymous No.2529982]

>>2528290
THIS IS A SCIENCE BOARD
YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT NOT SCIENCE

Pic related, it's now you make fat out of carbohydrates you dumb shit.

[Anonymous No.2530034]

just checking what is the get
>>2530000

[Anonymous No.2530074]

>>2529982
>>2529953
>>2529950

Let us feast, my brothers in arms!

[Anonymous No.2530165]

>>2529982
>YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT NOT SCIENCE
This is the most accurate description of EK I've ever heard.

also ITT:
>implying oral nicotine consumption is addictive
The only mode of absorption short of injection that is known to be addictive is smoking it.
The fast response time from inhaling to getting the "kick" is key in nicotine addiction.


Nicotine patches don't work, they are, from a scientific basis, disproven. Neurology knows how nicotine addiction works. This is not how.

[Anonymous No.2530329]

Tomatoes and Potatoes are 2 of the many vegtables that naturally contiain nicotine.

You addicted to them?

[Anonymous No.2530338]

dose is too low, tobacco companies worked this shit out in the 50's

[Anonymous No.2530349]

>>2530165

this is a load of crap. nicotine patches are not effective in getting people to stop cigarettes, true.

but what is being discussed is getting normal people addicted to food, not getting smokers to eat salad instead of smoking.

oral nicotine will absolutely be addictive in the right dose.

and to the idiot who said salad can't get you fat...lrn2dressing

[Anonymous No.2530357]

just remove gustative receptors from tongue and people will stop eating junk delicius food!!!!!!!!!!

[WonderfulCheese !.wLnap9ejs No.2530361]

>>2530329

I love me the shit out of sum tomatoes. I eat them like apples.

Also putting nicotine in salad? Why do that when you can lace it with cocaine?

[Anonymous No.2530366]

>>>/v/86735608

are you on drugs?
gtfo.

[Anonymous No.2530378]

>>2530361

cocaine will really make you lose weight, and it's effects would probably scare many people out of eating it and your ruse would be blown

[Anonymous No.2530383]

>>2528335

10/10. No one called you on it.

[Anonymous No.2530385]

Alright, all you fags who say that calories in - calories out = weight gain get in here and explain poop.

I'm not kidding. Tell me why you think that, with a caloric surplus, the body will continue to store lipids in adipose tissue unnecessarily (in the absence of metabolic syndrome or fructose/alcohol consumption) rather than just shitting out what you don't need.

[Anonymous No.2530392]

Or maybe we could just exercise more

[WonderfulCheese !.wLnap9ejs No.2530402]

>>2530385

Because we wouldn't survive as a species if our bodies didn't store excess energy.

[Anonymous No.2530405]

>>2530349
you're full of shit.
It is known that nicotine when inhaled is highly addictive. Please show me the study that shows the same levels of addictiveness for *ANY* other form of consumption. (Oral usually (for pretty much every drug, with exceptions of course) induces the lowest "rush".)

[Anonymous No.2530407]

>>2530385
Oh you think you're so smart with your big words and your snide university ways. Little did you know that poop is at least 90% bacterial biomass.

[Anonymous No.2530414]

>>2529950
>>People would cover their salads with blends of vegetable oil

Which is a good thing, as most of the vitamins, antioxidants, minerals etc. are fat soluble.

Now, if only people would eat more butter and less oil and margarine, everybody would be better off.

To everybody else in this thread:

What you think you know about cholesterol and saturated fat, is bullshit. The last thing you should do is listen to any American source on this issue.

[Anonymous No.2530416]

>>2530402
Of course that's true, dumbass. The question says "unnecessarily" and "what you don't need."

Try again.

[Anonymous No.2530424]

>>2530414

butter is the anti-christ of health foods.....

ghee on the other hand, is a whole nother ballpark

[Anonymous No.2530428]

>>2530414
>vegetable oil
>good thing

NOPE.JPG

Pic related; it's what we ate for the 100,000 years of evolution before we had the ability to extract vegetable oil.

[Anonymous No.2530430]

everyone in here thats arguing about salads is fucking retarded. notice, this picture says in salad.OR IN ANY HEALTHY FOOD.

[Anonymous No.2530440]

>>2530424
Which is why I told you to forget everything you've ever learned about nutrition, ESPECIALLY if you're from the US. If you investigate this matter for about an hour, not only will you become enlightened, you will also realize that 99 % of the human population is nutritionally retarded.

[WonderfulCheese !.wLnap9ejs No.2530442]

>>2530416

The only energy we need is the energy we use to move and keep our bodies alive. If an excess fat stays on a person, the energy stored in it is completely unecessary.

But poop just contains what our bodies cannot digest and whatever is picked up from our bodies on its way out.

[Anonymous No.2530452]

>>2530424
PLEASE EXPLAIN.

Does this have to do with whey proteins?

[Anonymous No.2530460]

>>2530440
so where would you suggest we research on the subject for us americans?
future nutrition grad here

[Anonymous No.2530463]

>>2530428
Except we ate it raw, and not cooked. Also our bodily ecosystem was different.

Face it: civilization is a derived force of evolution.

[Anonymous No.2530499]

>>2530463
We have been cooking food for a retardedly long period as it increases the bioavailibility of the nutrients in it. That is, the skill to cook food is an evolutionary advantage.

The retard you replied to however assumes that lard and animal fat have been availible in the same quanities as today: It haven't, even without extracting vegetable oils we can eat them simply by eating whole vegetables. Meat and animal fats have for most time been a luxury, hell, it still is a luxury in many parts of the world(to the point where people eat rats and small birds and other animals which we consider vermin or nonworthy food items(insects etc)).

[Anonymous No.2530618]

Part one:

>>2530460
You can start by checking out where the fat hysteria began (America), and whether or not it had any scientific evidence backing it up (it didn't, and still doesn't).

It all began when some retard politicians in USA decided that fat was bad for you, and that they had to warn the American public of the "dangers" of fat consumption. The rest of the world's governments jumped the wagon, of course, since they are all not only retarded, but follow USA's actions religiously, we got a world-wide fear of fat.

The video of the meeting in which the American politicians decided that fat was bad for you, is pretty hilarious. A group of scientists that had been charged to find out why fat is bad for you (no, they weren't charged to find out what fat does to you, they were charged to find out why it is bad for you, lol) presented their report; fat isn't bad for you in any way. They were completely disregarded by the politicians, which obviously have a much better understanding of nutrition than a specialized research team of doctors and nutritionists, amirite?

[Anonymous No.2530621]

Part 2 (final part):

It's a really old video, and it's on Youtube somewhere (I can't be assed to search for this, maybe some other anon knows what I'm talking about and has a link?).

Now, fat is more energy dense, I'll give you that. However, the deciding factor of whether or not you store your ingested foods as fat or not, is insulin. As it turns out, pretty much anything (for instance, drinking water) triggers an insulin response. However, the insulin response from eating carbohydrates are far, far, FAR higher than eating fat or proteins (or anything else). Proteins are also much more filling than carbs (in any form, fuck your high-fiber bullshit, I'd start another rant about why fiber is totally unneeded and bullshit, but I'll refrain from doing so for the time being), and any diet with a lot of fat is also going to have a lot of proteins (unless you like drink pure butter, which I would still regard as healthy).

Now, the membrane of every last cell in your body consists of what? Sugar? I think not. The membrane consists of saturated fat, some of which the body is unable to produce itself. How much fucking sense does it make that saturated fat (or any fat save shitty margarine/artificial shit that's been proven to be harmful) is bad for you?

Short comment on cholesterol:

You could eat something consisting of 100 % pure cholesterol all day erry day for your entire life, and it would not affect your blood cholesterol levels. Blood cholesterol != dietary cholesterol. Also, the only macronutrient that happens to rise blood cholesterol levels is, you guessed it, carbohydrates.

PS: I'm not saying that carbohydrates don't have good sides. Carbs are good for building muscle, and they are good for quick energy. They are bad for energy levels (directly related to insulin spikes), cholesterol, bodyfat, lifestyle disease (diabeetus), etc.

[Anonymous No.2530632]

>>2528290
You have to be the worst tripfag ever. Everything you say is either completely wrong or completely stupid. I hope you get banned and/or die horribly tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.2530664]

>>2528543
prions, mad cow disease, kuru, and kwasikor, also the ousting from the global community, but I am all for it.

[Anonymous No.2530692]

>>2530664

you were right up to kwashiorkor, that is just wrong, it is not a consequence of cannabalism, its a consequence of malnutrition,