/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.2515449]

Discuss.

[Anonymous No.2515455]

Whatever Earth's "carrying capacity" may be, the best way forward is to quickly industrialize the third world. It's the only way to fix population growth.

Fortunately, it is already happening, the global population is expected to peak at 9 or 10 billion and go into decline before the end of the century.
http://www.ted.com/talks/hans_rosling_on_global_population_growth.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population

[Anonymous No.2515457]

Malthusianism is fucking retarded.
Neo-malthusianism is even worse.

[Anonymous No.2515458]

>>2515455
So...the solution for a planet that's collapsing under the weight of 6 billion...is to increase that number to 9-10 billion?

Got it.

[Anonymous No.2515460]

Ridiculous.
We have the capability to provide for probably billions more people before we're even near overcrowded. All that's needed is an unselfish attitude toward life and living. We need to kick the fossil fuel habit and move to something that can provide more energy than we could ever need; fusion perhaps?
Food wouldn't even be an issue if we can all stop throwing hissyfits about GM foods and whatnot.
But if we stay as we are now? With a reliance on finite energy and primitive agricultural methods? Then I doubt there's room for even another billion.
But I have faith in humanity, I'm sure we'll all pull together.

[Anonymous No.2515462]

>>2515460
>>2515457
>>2515455
Oh look, hippies.

[Anonymous No.2515466]

>>2515462
Instead of just claiming we're hippies, why don't you elaborate on that? Show your side of the argument, baseless statements aren't productive to anybody.

[Anonymous No.2515469]

>>2515458
You don't seem to get it. If we don't quickly industrialize third-world countries (which they are doing), their birth rates won't drop.

[Anonymous No.2515470]

>>2515466

You mad?

[Anonymous No.2515472]

>>2515455
>http://www.ted.com/talks/hans_rosling_on_global_population_growth.html
This talk. Watch it.

[Anonymous No.2515481]

If there's too many people they'll just fall off lol.

[Anonymous No.2515482]

>>2515470
Yeah, you're done now.

>>2515457
Yeah, this "humans are bacteria" thing was always really, really stupid. As countries industrialize, birthrates plummet. Doesn't matter how much food there is. The growth rate has been decelerating since the 60s thanks to industrialization of the third world, and the trend is expected to continue. Let's not fuck it up. At this rate, population growth will turn into population decline sometime shortly after 2050.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:World_population_increase_history.svg
http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=wb-wdi&met=sp_pop_grow&tdim=true&dl=en&hl=en&amp
;q=global+population+growth

[Anonymous No.2515489]

Obviously, the thing to do is to take hostages at the discovery institute and get shot by a police sniper after launching a nonsensical and retarded harangue of the human race.

[Anonymous No.2515492]

>>2515489
Yeah, his manifesto was pretty lulzy. And I looked up some videos of the guy he idolized. Batshit neo-Malthusian who thinks that people reproduce just as fast as they can find food. Moron.

[Anonymous No.2515494]

>>2515492
al gore?

[Anonymous No.2515497]

>>2515494
?
Oh, no, it wasn't Al Gore. Just a sec, and we can all facepalm.

[Anonymous No.2515506]

>>2515489
Found a copy of the manifesto. LOL
http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/savetheplanetprotestcom-demands-discovery-c
hannel-gunman
>7. Develop shows that mention the Malthusian sciences about how food production leads to the overpopulation of the Human race. Talk about Evolution. Talk about Malthus and Darwin until it sinks into the stupid people's brains until they get it!!
>Saving the environment and the remaning species diversity of the planet is now your mindset. Nothing is more important than saving them. The Lions, Tigers, Giraffes, Elephants, Froggies, Turtles, Apes, Raccoons, Beetles, Ants, Sharks, Bears, and, of course, the Squirrels.

[m1ckey !dkJI/P7Y32 No.2515509]

>>2515497
I'm pretty sure he was joking.

[Anonymous No.2515523]

>>2515497
Ah, found it. One of his major idols was David Quinn.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPRJQpWhE0o

[Anonymous No.2515526]

the world just needs to be nuked, that would solve every problem

[Anonymous No.2515532]

>>2515506
>Froggies
>and, of course, the Squirrels.
lolwhat

[Anonymous No.2515567]

>>2515472
>implying that the global economy won't collapse before 2050
seriously, that guy didn't even bother thinking about different factors. When the economy collapses, birth rates will soar (though most children will die do to starvation) and you will see the population decline as the old and sickly die off.

[Anonymous No.2515575]

>>2515526
> that would solve every problem
except for the mutations that would occur in babies.
And the permanently destroy arable land.
And the destruction of the ecosystem.

Please don't run for president.

[Anonymous No.2515576]

>>2515567
Yeah, about that. How about making an argument instead of baseless FUD?

[Anonymous No.2515584]

>>2515576
>baseless FUD
Please do some research before passing judgement.
Just about every economist will agree that we're on the verge of a economic collapse.

[Anonymous No.2515596]

It's not a matter of over population, it's a matter of resource efficiency
What do we need 7 billion people for anyway? Wouldn't 700million do just fine for us as a species, too?

[Anonymous No.2515600]

>>2515584
>Just about every economist will agree that we're on the verge of a economic collapse.
Yeah, [citation needed], 'cause my bullshit-meter is off the scale. Also, how about something that's not just argument from authority?

[Anonymous No.2515602]

Overpopulation is not a problem.

Bad government/leaders is the problem.

[Anonymous No.2515603]

>>2515596
Depends on what you want to accomplish. If you don't overtax your resources, more is better.

[Anonymous No.2515610]

>>2515600
>anything I say you will disagree with
>any source I give, you will doubt its credibility

I've played this game far too many times on /sci/.
Believe what you want to believe. I really don't care.

[Anonymous No.2515617]

>>2515610
You haven't done anything but spout a doomsday prophecy. You didn't even give a reason for the collapse.

[Anonymous No.2516467]

>>2515610
No seriously, give me something.

[Anonymous No.2516475]

>>2515455
Why do we have to industrialize them, what if we just stopped sending them food and help?

[Anonymous No.2516488]

The problem is obvious.
The solution is simple.

[Anonymous No.2516504]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkgDhDa4HHo

[Anonymous No.2516513]

>>2516475
Then they'll develop huge populations and we won't be able to industrialize them given the resources we have available, and their masses will be recruited into large armies to storm their more civilized nations and destroy everything.

[Anonymous No.2516529]

>>2515482

The growth rate is still increasing, actually, although it's expected to slow after 2020 and go into decline towards 2060.

[Anonymous No.2516540]

>>2516513
I don't think you understand how dependent they are. The population of Africa has more than quadrupled since the World Food Program began in 1962. I'd imagine without Western aid we see a return to ~220M on the continent

[Anonymous No.2516561]

>>2516529
Source or are we expecting another world war?

[Anonymous No.2516624]

1. Kill niggers
2. Burn corpses in power plant
3. Free NIGGAWATT energy + saving the world

[Anonymous No.2516629]

everybody on the planet could live four to a 1,500 sf house in Texas.

we have plenty of room yet.

[Anonymous No.2516635]

>>2516561
if you're not expecting another world war, you might want to come out from that coma you're in and panic with the rest of us

[Anonymous No.2516666]

>>2516635
Source.

[Anonymous No.2516670]

>>2516666
can't argue with quads. i give up.

[Anonymous No.2516694]

>>2516624

reported for racism.

Learn rule #3.

pic related.

[Anonymous No.2516715]

>>2516694
NIGGER SPOTTED

[Anonymous No.2516722]

>>2516715

yeah, i'm totally black. reporting this too.

[Anonymous No.2516737]

>>2516635
If by panic you mean rejoice then panic it up.

[Anonymous No.2516740]

>>2516694
But black people are inferior.
You're only contributing to the problem.

[Anonymous No.2516741]

>>2515449
Go to google Earth, zoom to Tokyo, Japan, zoom in, zoom out.(Turn on 3d buildings too)

Now imagine the whole Earth is like that...


Of course with vertical integration, land usage could be decreased by a factor of a lot.

[Anonymous No.2516742]

>>2516722
you would.
nigger.

[Anonymous No.2516758]

>>2516529
You're wrong. The rate of growth is decelerating.

[Ms. Anthrope No.2516764]

>>2516624
Actually this would be inefficient, separating Africans from the general population takes energy. It'd be far more energy efficient to simply burn all races equally.

[Anonymous No.2516777]

>>2516764

hardly silly, thats what race specific viruses are for!

[Anonymous No.2516781]

>>2516764
And contrary to what /stormfront/ would have you believe, genetic diversity is a good thing.

[Anonymous No.2517018]

>>2516781
Up to a certain point, after that it become redundant. Also having certain genes can be particularly bad for a species. Take for example Tay Sachs, we'd be better off removing the genes that cause it from the gene pool. Also race diversity is not the same as genetic diversity.

[Anonymous No.2517132]

>>2516781
It's a good thing for black people and a nightmare for white people.