/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.2509077]

Question. Im curious if all the planets have their orbits on 1 plane ? I mean if we take an Earths orbit and Mars and Jupiters are their orbits on one and the same plane ?

[Anonymous No.2509080]

no

[Anonymous No.2509086]

then Ive found a flaw on educational systems all over the world.

[Anonymous No.2509091]

Regular planets like Mars and Jupiter? Yes. Well, so near that we can say it's pretty much on the same plane.
But most things are not. Asteroids, comets, and stuff like Pluto pretty much go wherever they feel like.

[EK !EKFQOBUFnQ No.2509095]

are all pretty much in the same plane except pluto (and hence why it is not a true planet...it was an asteroid captured later)

[Anonymous No.2509099]

>>2509091

Are you a fucking idiot? No, not everything is on one plane, not even in our solar system, it is only presented that way for convenience.

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.2509108]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inclination

[Anonymous No.2509113]

"Pretty much" isnt "is", right ? I mean I think it influences movement and route which is sun going, all those planets moving on different orbits of sun.

[Anonymous No.2509118]

>>2509086
>>2509086
>>2509086

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie-to-children

Buddy, you're just scratching the surface.

[EK !EKFQOBUFnQ No.2509124]

>>2509113

well i said 'pretty much' because asteroid collisions and such like will probably slightly alter the planets orbit, so it will be on a slightly different plane.

[Anonymous No.2509128]

>>2509099
I never said they are, but since the biggest deviation is Mercury with 6º, unless you want to be really picky on shit or we are talking serious business astronomy, you can say that they are on the same general plane and not make a very huge mistake.

People like you probably look at newtonian physics and say it's wrong because hurr relativity.
Fuck man, at some scales or arguments it doesn't really matter.

[Anonymous No.2509129]

>>2509124
>EK
>Die in a fire

[Anonymous No.2509130]

>>2509095
>>2509095
This is what people actually believe in.

[Anonymous No.2509136]

They're "pretty much" in the same plane yeah. Reason being the accretion disc around the sun back when it formed was concentrated on the same plane, much like all the little rocks floating around Saturn gathered to form rings in a common plane too.

[EK !EKFQOBUFnQ No.2509138]

>>2509130
perhaps because it is correct.
http://www.physlink.com/education/askexperts/ae588.cfm

[Anonymous No.2509139]

>>2509128
Im sorry but I cant agree with you, you claim that inclination of 6° can be omitted, I think that if we are going to understand "how things work" we need to take all things into account. We should eliminate potential error, not create it and say "oh it doesnt matter cause its small".

[Anonymous No.2509141]

All of the planets (no more exceptions!) and their moons orbit on nearly the same plane, but not exactly. I think it's within +/-6 degrees of the elliptic, but I can't recall and I'm too lazy to go to wikipedia

[Anonymous No.2509143]

>>2509138
Not the way is represented there.

[Anonymous No.2509145]

>>2509139
That depends on the context doesn't it? If I ask you what the temperature outside is you'll round it off to at least the nearest integer. But if you're measuring the temperature to track climate change you'll want a more accurate measurement than that.

So sure, in some cases a 6 degree deviation can be omitted. Like in everyday conversation when someone asks you "Hey do all the planets orbit in the same plane?" and you say "Yeah, pretty much" like a normal person would.

[EK !EKFQOBUFnQ No.2509148]

>>2509141
moon orbits earth at about 5 degrees off the standard planetary plane.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=istxUVBZD2s

GOTO: [2:00]

[Anonymous No.2509156]

>>2509148
So within +/-6 degrees, then.

[EK !EKFQOBUFnQ No.2509161]

>>2509156

yep.

...shame really. we would get a solar eclipse once a day it it were on exactly the same plane...

[Anonymous No.2509167]

>>2509095
>it was an asteroid captured later)
No.

The accretion disc that formed our solar system goes very far out, and there are many small objects that stretch out very far. Some of this matter is still clumping together, and pluto and other TNOs are an example of this. You don't find much of this among the planets because this matter either collapsed into the planets themselves, or were cleared out of their paths.

Some still exist as asteroids, but Pluto is not among them, and its composition is fundamentally different. It is consistent with bodies that distance from a star.

[Anonymous No.2509169]

>>2509139
How many decimals do you use when you multiply things by pi?

[Anonymous No.2509174]

>>2509169
I just use the one dot, personally

[Anonymous No.2509178]

>>2509169
I tend to use ratio, not some approximations.

[Anonymous No.2509183]

>>2509169
Depends on the significant digits of the multiplicand

[Anonymous No.2509185]

>>2509174
THEN STOP BITCHING ABOUT FUCKING DIGIT DEGREES

We all know it's not quite in the same plane, but it's in the ballpark. Unless we are doing really complex calculations and considerations, it really doesn't matter much.

Yes, I slightly raged.

[Anonymous No.2509187]

>>2509178

[Anonymous No.2509191]

>>2509185
3.14159265
^ There's only one decimal point. Why use more?

[Anonymous No.2509196]

>>2509191

[Anonymous No.2509198]

>>2509161
you mean once a month

[Anonymous No.2509201]

GOD DID IT!

Wait, what was the question?

[Anonymous No.2509206]

>>2509191
nigga you just went full aspie

appropriate degrees of accuarcy

as measured in sig figs

6 degrees from a possible +/-90, or +/-180 if we consider retrograde orbits, is about 3.3 percent or 1.7 respectively.

in answer to the OP's question, this is enough to say, pretty much the same plane

[Anonymous No.2509214]

>>2509206
/thread

[Anonymous No.2509215]

>>2509191
you're a dick