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2486211 No.2486211 [Reply] [Original]

> Taking 4-5 years for a bachelor

I heard rumors this is pretty common among people, is it true?

>> No.2486224

>>2486211
4 is standard, and for more people take longer rather than shorter to complete bachelor's degree, therefore the average is above 4. Shoot for 4.

>> No.2486228

I thought 3 was bach, 5 was master.

>> No.2486230

If you spend more than 3 years on a bachelor's you probably don't belong in college/university

>> No.2486236

I did it in 3.5
Many of my friends are doing it in 4 or 4.5

>> No.2486237

It will take that long if you changed focus in your second year of college and started from scratch. That's what I did but I coul easily have finished in 3 if I had been in this major from the start. You just need to work your ass off.

>> No.2486238

3 is bachelors. 4/5 is a masters.
wtf OP??

>> No.2486241

>>2486228
It usually is unless you fail so many courses you're not able to practice for the exams over again while taking other courses

>> No.2486242

Pretty much what he said >>2486224

At least in US, every program is built to be easily done in 4 years. That being said I have lots of retarded friends who took 5 years, so that's hardly uncommon.

>>2486228
There are many BS/MS programs in US that take 5 years, but doing them separately is about 6 years.

>> No.2486246

My gf never changed her major. Through taking summer classes and above standard credit hours, she's graduating in 3 years. This is also on top of internships, etc.

>> No.2486251

3 is standard for bachelor and an extra year for master

>> No.2486260

>>2486211
4 is considered standard. Think about it. Freshman, Sophomore, Junior, Senior. Promising students go faster, late bloomers certainly exist and go on to have profitable careers. While I'd encourage you to go as fast as you can handle and still keep a good GPA, it's not the end of the world if it takes you another year, especially if you enter college directly out of high school.


>>2486230
Condescending a bit?

>> No.2486262

>>2486228
>>2486230
>>2486238
>>2486251
I assume all of you got degrees outside of america, and I assume all of those masters are useless. No wonder everyone comes here for grad school.

>> No.2486266

I took a minimum of 18 credit hours every semester and did summer classes and it took me 3.5 years.

5 years is considered the standard in the US, but universities claim it's 4.

They continually raise the required number of credits required to graduate, and most of the time it's shitty general education classes they force people to take.

This is an easy way to squeeze more money out of students.

Combine that with the fact that most students refuse to take more than 12 credits a semester and you have a money printing machine

>> No.2486277

>>2486262
Oh really?
Where I come from a bachelors takes 3 years (3*8 courses) and a masters degree takes 5 years (5*8 courses).

How many courses do you americans have to take in order to get your degrees, and if our masters are useless then why are they all acknowledged abroad?

>> No.2486278

I took 6 years. I had a full time job though and 2 school reforms during my university days.

>> No.2486282

>>2486277
3years*8courses*3credits/course=72credits. Are you serious? My bachelors was 130 credits and it involved very minimal gen ed (ChemE here).

>> No.2486285

>>2486277

Most colleges now require between 120-130 credit hours to graduate.

Your average college student takes the bare minimum of 12 hours to be considered full time.

>> No.2486286

>>2486277
Sure they may be acknowledged, acknowledged as equivalent to a US bachelors

>> No.2486292

>>2486285
I think 15 is more the average. Many scholarships/funding in general require successfully completing an average of 30 credits/yr

>> No.2486303

>>2486282
what do you mean by 3 credits per course and what is a credit hour?

>> No.2486313

>>2486303
Everything is measured by credits here, an average course is 3 credits (for semester long courses). Each credit equals about 1 hour lecture (or 3 hours of lab) a week. If you're going to school for 12 credit hours it means you have 12 credits of class that semester.

>> No.2486318

>>2486277
Shit son
I take 18 a semester + the 16 I came here with (although all but 7 of those are redundant)
and I'm still going to be here 4 years (B.S. in chemistry woooo)
although where I go it is frowned upon taking over 4 years, even though 5 is the national average.
hooray peer pressure?

>> No.2486332

>mfw I'm finishing my master's after 4.5 years and I had to get 300 credits overall. If you don't realize time is your most important ressource, I feel sorry for you.

>> No.2486338

>>2486332
>mfw troll

>> No.2486341
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2486341

>>2486262
>Take 2 years longer to learn the same stuff
>Claim amerikkka is better

>> No.2486342

I'm doing a Bachelor with Honours in 4.

>> No.2486346

>>2486342
Welcome to average town.

>> No.2486350

>>2486342
All bachelors are honours unless otherwise stated

>> No.2486352

>>2486266
this. in the end i will have dedicated an entire two semesters to those general classes. i already know what i want to fucking do with my life, just let me do it already

>> No.2486353

>>2486341
If you don't think America's graduate schools are better, I'll just leave you be. Say what you will about our grade schools, it's definitely terrible.

>> No.2486354

>>2486313
Do you really only have 3 hours of lectures per week in each course? The norm here is 5-6, but most countries in Europe have a common system called ECTS where a typical semester yields 60 pts.

How many points each individual course yields depends on the depth of the courses you are taking, or in some cases all courses yield 7.5 pts so that you are forced to take at least 4 courses per semester regardless of depth

>> No.2486371

>>2486354
It can vary, but yeah on average courses are 3 hours of lecture a week. I've had many 4 hour ones that include problem sessions for engineering courses (end up being 6 hours a week of class time). I've also had 3 credit labs where you're in lab 9 hours a week (plus report writing outside of class).

Typically the courses that get away with only the 3 credit, 3 hour a week were the gen ed type ones.

>> No.2486372

>>2486318
How the hell can you take 18 courses per semester?
I am assuming each course requires you to work at least 5 hours a week in order to have a shot at getting an E at your exams.

Are you superhuman or something?

>> No.2486377

>>2486372
He's amerifag, 18 credits, not 18 courses. 18 is slightly above average. 21+ is where it starts to get gross.

>> No.2486379

>>2486372
that's 18 credits, champ. not courses.

>> No.2486383

20 Credits needed to graduate
5 Credits every year.
Full Year courses =1 Credit
One Semester courses = 0.5 Credit
I take 5 Courses a semester.

University of Toronto.

>> No.2486401

>>2486383
They really should standardize the American credit system so that it would be possible to understand exactly how much a person has studied based on their credits.

What happens if you guys decide you want to study abroad or go complete your degree at another university than the one you started your degree at?

>> No.2486417

Are you all fucking idiots?

>4yrs Bachelors
>2yrs Masters
>2yrs Doctoral

>> No.2486419

>>2486401
You mean they should standardize the world's credit system. America's pretty standardized within itself, we have accreditation groups that police that stuff.

If you study abroad I think there is usually a system where that course shows up on your transcript with its equivalent amount of credits.

>> No.2486425

>>2486338
Here I get 60 credits per year,
so 3 years for 180 credits, 1 year for 60 credits 1st year master, 1 semester for 30 credits, and last semester is an internship for 30 credits , basically given to you. If you think you really have to study as many hours as the credits require, then you don't adapt well to university. I've gotten so many credits by just working some days before the exam. If you really go to courses this is your first mistake. You have to distinguish between useful courses and courses where the teacher reads his slides that are available.

>> No.2486436

>>2486417

Only at some universities. For example, I did:

>3 year Bachelor's
>1 year Master's
>3 year Doctorate

>> No.2486438

>>2486401
We talk to admissions, they evaluate our credits on a fairly case by case basis, and we get totally fucked in the rear.

I actually got my associates degree from one college and then moved to get my BA in a better one (I'd raised my GPA substantially from my highschool days to get this done) - and they accepted me as a junior because I had a degree, but they evaluated my credits at 87.5 - meaning I was 2.5 credits off from being a junior in their credit system. It's fucking bizarre.

>> No.2486448

>>2486417
>>2486436
I think the standard is
>4 yrs bachelors
>2 yrs masters
>4 yrs doctoral
However in many technical fields (in america) you can just skip the masters, aka 8ish years total.

>> No.2486461

>>2486448

I'm British, so that's probably why it took me a different amount of time - I was able to enter undergrad as a sophomore, for example.

>> No.2486470

>>2486461
Many people here who took advanced courses in high school enter as the equivalent of a sophomore. It's just that most of those credits don't help their degree so they still take 4 years. But you get perks of being upperclassman...

>> No.2486473

>>2486448
Maybe for retards but for normal people >>2486436 is standard

>> No.2486478

>>2486473
If you're getting a doctorate in 3 years then either
1) you're a god awful grad student and your adviser wants you out of there (unlikely)
2) you're fucking awesome
3) you got a fake degree

>> No.2486482

>>2486230
Not everyone goes to a community college, shit scrub.

>> No.2486483

>>2486417
>2 yrs doctoral
Trying my hardest not to get trolled

>> No.2486490

>>2486448
In Norway at least the standard is:
3 years for a bachelor
5 (3+2) years for a masters (in some cases you can skip getting a bachelors first, in some cases you can't)
8 (3+2+3) years for a Ph.D

>> No.2486493

>>2486483
What's the matter, fag, can't advance the scientific knowledge of humanity in 2 years?

>> No.2486496

>>2486478
If you're getting a doctorate in over 3 years then
1) you're a god awful student
2) you're fucking rich and they want to milk you
3) you got a fake degree

Also
>either
>3 options

>> No.2486498

Because I didn't meet some retarded standards, I couldn't take any maths/physics related courses this semester (compsci lol) so I took anything and everything that I could without those and I got... 13 credits.
>Fuck
I plan on taking some retarded algebra-trig test this semester so I can just register for maths+physics courses+programming courses next semester for at least 16 credits, I'd go for 18-20 if I could.
If I didn't have to work part time to support for college, I'd aim for 25.
There's no limits to what you can do if you have free time and lots of motivation.

>> No.2486509

>>2486496
I'll point you back to where I stated american grad schools are the best overall. With that said 5 years is pretty common. You don't pay to go to grad school here (for real degrees). They pay you. I'm getting a living stipend and free tuition for up to 7 years.

>> No.2486518

>>2486509
>Implying you don't get funded phd all over the world

>> No.2486521

>>2486518
I was talking to this dude >>2486496
>2) you're fucking rich and they want to milk you
Sounds like he's paying for it.

>> No.2486522
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2486522

Why am I attending a top 10 school (which means most of you here can't even hold a candle to the students like me), and virtually noone is getting their Bachelors in less than 4 years?

I mean, if people went to the same shit-tier diploma mill as you, then yeah - getting Bachelors in < 4 years would be a piece of cake.

But not everyone is such an academic failure as you. Just keep that in mind.

>> No.2486531

>>2486522
>Thinks where he goes to school for bachelors matters
Come talk to me when you're going to a top 10 for a PhD

>> No.2486539

You can also get a high school diploma in three years instead of four. Golly gee willikers. That must mean 4yearfags suck. I bet they can't even triforce.

>> No.2486547

>>2486531
>Amerikkka
>Not based on nepotism

0/10

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2486557

>>2486539
>Spent 6 years getting an ordinary bachelors

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2486564

>>2486531
>Implying school is meant only for Doctorates
>mfw
Not sure if serious.

>> No.2486578

>>2486522
Why am I attending a top 10 shitest school (which means most of you here can't even blow out candles as well as students like me), and virtually noone is getting their Bachelors in less than 8 years?

I mean, if people went to the average uni as you, then yeah - getting Bachelors in < 4 years would be a piece of cake.

But not everyone is such an academic failure as potato. Just keep that in mind.

>> No.2486621

>>2486564
A bachelors in mechanical engineering from say caltech is equivalent to a bachelors from iowa state (insert any state school).

>> No.2486636

>>2486621
Whatever makes you feel better about being at a shit school, buddy.

>> No.2486645

>>2486636
No I'm the guy doing a PhD at a top 10. Sorry for bringing the real world crashing down on you. Have fun interviewing and realizing they care more about your personal skills and technical knowledge than where you went to school.

>> No.2486664

>>2486645
And I've completed a PhD at a top 1 school. Sorry for bringing the real world crashing down on you. Have fun interviewing and realizing they care more about your personal skills and technical knowledge than the level of your degree or where you went to school.

>> No.2486682

>>2486664
Nope they care about your publications. Have fun with that bachelors, buddy!

>> No.2486686

>>2486645 is either a pathetic troll for saying >>2486621

Or doesn't know the disparities that exist in American education.

I think it's the former.

>> No.2486700

>>2486686
Haha I'll leave you guys to your delusions if you think the school listed on that resume of yours matters. Doing well is what matters.

>> No.2486704

>>2486682
Have fun still being stuck at school.

I'll enjoy my stable $85k/year income with the bachelor's degree.

>> No.2486718

>>2486704
>$85k
Uhm, starting wages for most engineers is at around $100k or more

>> No.2486719

>>2486700

And doing well usually means attending a decent school.

>> No.2486726

>>2486718
Nope

>> No.2486737

Stop feeding the troll please.

>> No.2486739

>>2486718
>>2486704
The average starting for many engineering degrees out of school is 50-60. 80 isn't unheard of, but those are the people top of their class kind of thing.
>Have fun still being stuck at school.
I'm gonna have fun doing high tech stuff for the rest of my life, and making more than you in a few years anyway.

>>2486719
You're right, but that's why I said state school, any big state school has an adequate engineering program.

>> No.2486770

Yeah I'll probably take 5 instead of 4 years
It kind of sucks though, because when I came to the US I was held back a year in elementary school for immigration bullshit issues. So I'll be actually 2 years older than the average when I graduate

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2486772

>>2486739
>Implying you need a doctorate to be doing commercial research

>> No.2486781

>>2486739
>any big state school has an adequate engineering program

Like I said, has no idea about disparities in American education.

>> No.2486783

>>2486772
There are no definite rules in the world. But have fun being in product R&D versus technologies R&D.

>> No.2486798

>>2486781
I'm pretty sure the all states have public universities with adequate resources for things like engineering.

>> No.2486800

>2 years for an associates degree
>18 months to finish my bachelors
>18 months to finish a masters
>Get a job I like and be happy, work on teaching certificate and possibly doctorates if I care to

My school uses a quarterly system, so I'll be taking 3-4 classes a quarter and through the summers. Next year I'll be finishing my BS in international security and intelligence, less than a year later from that I'll be able to finish up a BA in history after taking four more classes, then once I get the money I can go back to the same school and go through a program for a MS in international security and intelligence.

>> No.2486810

>>2486798
Yeah if he wrote more than one sentence I might be able to understand what he's getting at.

>> No.2486816

>>2486798
And BTW that's the case with any technical bachelors, in case you're one of the scientist vs engineer elitists so common on /sci/

>> No.2486818

>>2486783
I'm having fun working full time at Watson Research Center, while you're being nothing but a slave working for a piece of paper, which you believe is the only way to achieve your dream. Worse yet, you're thinking that everyone else needs that paper to achieve theirs.

I pity you.

>> No.2486834

>>2486818
Lol show me where I said "YOU KIDS MUST GET PHD." I'm having fun doing what I do, that's all I give a shit about.

And everywhere needs janitors, so saying you work somewhere means jack shit. In all reality my guess is you're a lab monkey for someone smarter than you.

>> No.2486835

I took 5 years for my bachelor because I loved every minute of it, therefore wanting it to take as long as possible. I could easily have done it in 3 years, but why bother? Why speed up something you enjoy so much?

>> No.2486849

>>2486835
Amen. The only good argument against that is if someone is having to take loans out for school or something. If that's the case then get the fuck out ASAP. Otherwise just enjoy your time. No one will think less of you for taking 5 years.

>> No.2486856

>>2486835
Wisdom

>> No.2486869

>>2486834
Nope, doing full time research along with everyone else and getting paid just like my PhD coworkers. Doing the same thing other PhD students are doing - research, and studying.

> lab monkey for someone smarter than you
No, that's what YOU are. I am not you.

Once again you're thinking that a piece of paper is a sign of intelligence. And once again I pity your sad view of life. Have fun being a lab monkey sucking your advisor's cock.

>> No.2486870

took 4 years to get my bachelor's, but had to go back another year for a certificate to make me employable (English degree fag here).

still plan on completing a Master's after I land a job teaching, which will probably take another 3-4 years since I'll work simultaneously.

>> No.2486913

>>2486869
NOM NOM if that's what you think grad school is like I can definitely tell you're not speaking from experience.

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2487021

It's funny to see how people with whatever degree don't even mention where they are from, creating a lot of "no u!" when talking about who's better and worse.

Will you "smart" people continue that shit when you move on to a real job and realize that there are other people, cultures etc. on this planet?

>> No.2487035

>>2487021
Before the thread fell into pure troll most people were doing a decent job of listing countries.

>> No.2487107

>>2486870

also, Ameritard here

>> No.2487162

>>2486800
United States here.

Private Uni

>> No.2487181

Well, considering not everyone goes into college knowing right off the bat what they want to major in I say that's reasonable.

I started off Undecided. After a year declared an Anthropology major. Half a year later declared Art History as my second major. Dumped that, went to Psych. Dumped that, declared it as a minor. Now in Bio. Should be able to finish my Bio major next spring. Been in school 4.5 years. Already done with Anthropology major, should be able to finish my second major soon for a grand total of 5.5 years.

So... Anthro/Bio double major, Psych minor in 5.5 years... not too bad I guess.

But if youre saying that it takes someone 5 years to complete one major then... yeah that's a bit silly.

>> No.2487234

>>2487181
>But if youre saying that it takes someone 5 years to complete one major then... yeah that's a bit silly.

Not really

>> No.2487840

>>2486522

Cambridge Maths here.

I'm getting the best undergrad maths degree in the world in 3 years. American students need extra training to even be eligible to get on it. Fuck you.

>> No.2487883

>>2487840
A little cocky; the MIT course has many superior qualities. Anyway, I did Parts I-III of the Cambridge maths tripos and I'm now on a PhD, same place. I'll have a bachelors, masters and PhD over 7 years of education.

>> No.2487901

>>2487883

I'm guessing you're not the guy I'm replying to? That's pretty impressive though, so kudos to you.

>> No.2487904

>180 units - Engineering, 15 units per quarter for 4 years
>90 units - Philosophy, 10 units per quarter for 3 years.

>MFW

>> No.2489158

>>2487840

No I think this is because of all the electives American colleges throw out to balance out the rest of the education. Takes longer.

>> No.2489179

ive been at uni for years.. started out in psychology but switched out because i hated it. i dont regret it. i have friends who went on to complete their psych degree, and now are looking for jobs or not doing anything with it

i might not have a degree yet, but when i do finish it'll be something i want to do, and finding a job will be that much easier