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Tautoulogic !fcsdUrivQ. Thu Jan 20 17:35:15 2011 No.2382960 [Reply] [Original]

Mathematics, equivalent to God and shining in the divine Mind. Gave God the pattern... by which he laid out the world so that it might be best and most beautiful and finally most like the Creator.

Solipsism implies there is, by defenition NO divine entity or "god" in the external world.

Considering there is NO divine entity in the external world(solipsism) requires just as much assumptions as considering there IS a divine entity(theism).
So why consider solipsism a possibility while theism would be a rediculous idea ? ?

God is to the world around us what a soul is to your inner self.

Quantum physics makes a non-deterministic universe with a strong role for consciousness or, as some people call it "souls" the most elegant and most likely sequel theorie.

Just because there is no absolute prove doesn`t mean no suggestive hints can be seen.
>Quantum Enigma: Physics Encounters Consciousness
Is a good book on this.

Denying the possibility of immaterial aspects of consciousness and free will is like putting the reliability of scientific method and observation into doubt.
The logic one has to fallow in order to defend this position is verry complex and unlikely.

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Krakengineer !!5XY+x7grkpt Thu Jan 20 17:43:15 2011 No.2382991

>>Considering there is NO divine entity in the external world(solipsism) requires just as much assumptions as considering there IS a divine entity(theism).

Although theism in its most basic of forms is: "An all powerful being exists", that's not the only assumption made by 99.9% of thesists: God created the universe, God cares who I have sex with, God is responsible for disasters, God is responsible for diverted disasters, God tells me what is right and wrong, etc. Atheism makes none of these assumptions.

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Tautoulogic !fcsdUrivQ. Thu Jan 20 17:45:15 2011 No.2383001
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Would a janitor delete this opening post ? ?

Im afraight we have few days left until /sci/ will become the most superannuated message board in the world.

Don`t even try to think about the threads where atheists and nihilists mentally mastrubate each other, while deleting every counter argument.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 17:50:15 2011 No.2383014 >>2383001 delete it yourself you colossal faggot learn to spell, FUCK!

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Anonymous Thu Jan 20 17:52:15 2011 No.2383020

>>2383001
Possibly. It's pretty borderline. It's not religion versus science, but it's only tangentially related to science (that one line about quantum mechanics).

>Don`t even try to think about the threads where atheists and nihilists mentally mastrubate each other

Religion threads not related to science are against the rules regardless of the poster's stance on the topic.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 17:53:15 2011 No.2383029 >>he thinks atheism = solipsism >>he thinks quantum physics = souls Made of fail.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 17:55:15 2011 No.2383035 >>2383020 Anyway, I've marked it as a "bad post" on 4watch.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 17:58:15 2011 No.2383050 >>2383035 Whereas I marked aether's latest post as rule-breaking. Users can select what they want to hide.

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Anonymous Thu Jan 20 17:58:15 2011 No.2383054

>Quantum physics makes a non-deterministic universe with a strong role for consciousness or, as some people call it "souls" the most elegant and most likely sequel theorie.

That sounds like bullshit... I hate all the pseudoscience discussions that employs wantonly quantum physics.

Non-determinitsics don't imply free will in any logical way, like many people say. To justify free will you need some entity that is independent in a certain way of the system an its physicals laws. So a "soul", if there really is free will, must be isolated of physics. It doesn't matter if my action is unpredictable if I cannot control the stochastic process.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 17:59:15 2011 No.2383055 > solipsism > is the philosophical idea that only one's own mind is sure to exist. > theism > is the belief that at least one deity exists One of these beliefs is skeptical, and the other asserts something that cannot be disproven. HURR

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 18:01:15 2011 No.2383064 File: 21 KB, 153x227, science.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Oh look, another Philosophy thread. Why don't you take your science for retards and GTFO tripfag.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 18:07:15 2011 No.2383104 File: 828 KB, 1600x1200, 1272638091351.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] bump

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 18:25:38 2011 No.2383228 File: 40 KB, 648x486, pink.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 18:35:15 2011 No.2383289 bumo

>>	sage sage Thu Jan 20 18:41:15 2011 No.2383326 File: 17 KB, 262x313, successful_troll.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Tautofaggot posts the same shitty bullshit ever other day WAY TO FEED A SHITTY TROLL SCI FEED THE TROLLS FAGGOTS FEED THE NOW!

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 18:43:15 2011 No.2383335 OP, why do you compare atheism to nihilism?

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>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 18:56:15 2011 No.2383427 >>2382991 You're talking about conclusions, not assumptions. It's nothing to brag about that you haven't made similar conclusions. That is, unless you have some sort of evidence suggesting the conclusions are false.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 18:59:15 2011 No.2383435 Can't wait until we've got janitors. Hopefully it will be a competent and caring individual that deletes religion threads on sight.

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Anonymous Thu Jan 20 18:59:15 2011 No.2383437

>>2383001
I don't think so. It's not a science vs religion thread. It's not a religious troll thread. It asks legitimate philosophical quesitons, and philosophy is a kind of science (not in the "scientific method" sense of "science", but it's surely closer to science than most the scifi/transhumanism/immortality/singularity threads)

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 19:01:15 2011 No.2383444 >>2383020 >Religion threads not related to science are against the rules regardless of the poster's stance on the topic. It depends on what you call a religion thread. If it's philosophical, it's not necessarily off topic.

>>	Tautoulogic !fcsdUrivQ. Thu Jan 20 19:01:15 2011 No.2383448 File: 64 KB, 600x750, atheism1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2383335 >why compare atheism to nihilism? They`re both hypes based on the persuit of a social-image that appears smarter then you actually are.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 19:04:15 2011 No.2383454 If I become a janitor, I will not be deleting thoughtful intelligent posts like OP's. They are not cancer.

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Anonymous Thu Jan 20 19:15:15 2011 No.2383525

>>2383448

"Hypes"? What? "Pursuit of a social image that appears smarter than you actually are"? Seriously? Atheism is the default state. We're all born atheist. People don't reject religion to appear smart, they reject it because they don't find anything redeemable in it. Claiming that asshole in your pic is representative of all atheists is no more accurate that claiming that the Westboro Baptist Church is representative of all religious people.

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Anonymous Thu Jan 20 19:19:15 2011 No.2383549

>>2383448

Oh give me a break.

The whole WILL TO GOD(s) is of the most NIHILISTIC DRIVE known to man, the WILL TO NOTHINGNESS.

MEN WOULD RATHER WILL THAN NOT WILL AT ALL, even if that will is turned towards NOTHINGNESS.

Thus men will A FINAL SOLUTION and A FINAL BEGINNING called "God" who represents nothing less than the END OF QUESTIONING, the END OF STRIVING.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 19:22:15 2011 No.2383566 >>2382960 Trust me baby, you don't require any artificial sweetener.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 19:23:15 2011 No.2383570 fractals remind me of God; so simple in equation form, so beautiful and infinite in solution. the study of pure math and the study of God also contain the search for perfection, as well as the search for order and rationality.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 19:29:15 2011 No.2383597 >>2383570 >rationality >god pick one.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 19:32:15 2011 No.2383605 >>2383064 Saved pic for future use. Thanks.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 19:36:15 2011 No.2383627 >>2383597 i take it you do not believe in God; however, if you were to assume for the sake of argument that God actually did exist, would you then argue that He is not rational?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 19:38:15 2011 No.2383634 >>2383627 If he/she was the monotheistic god of judaism, islam and christianity, yes, he/she is very irrational, spiteful, bigoted, angry, jealous (by own admission), hypocritical, schizophrenic and sadistic.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 19:39:15 2011 No.2383641 >>2382960 Saved pic for future use, thanks.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 19:39:15 2011 No.2383642 >>2382960 Dat dern shifting of the burden of proof again eh? Also could you please define what you mean by the word "soul" OP?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 19:39:15 2011 No.2383643 >>2383627 >rational god >create a universe where particles can be in 2 places at once pick one

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Anonymous Thu Jan 20 19:44:15 2011 No.2383660

>>2383634

In other words, the Gods were created by STRONG human beings who tried to will beings as WORTHY AS THEY WERE and EVEN MORE SO.

Remember, the use of power was not a sin until we got the image of Christ, the crucified God! Christ, the ultimate revenge of the slaves in not only the physical BUT THE MENTAL REALM. Values being turned upside down and all that

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 19:45:15 2011 No.2383665 >>2382960 Also, if you're taking "soul" to mean consciousness...we already have a word for that..it's consciousness.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 19:48:15 2011 No.2383718 >>2383660 By 'strong' I see you mean 'warmongering', and 'authoritarian'.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 19:48:15 2011 No.2383734 >>2383660 If god is never wrong then why did he change his mind? What about the thousands who died on now-invalid orders?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 19:49:15 2011 No.2383741 >>2383385 >>2383385 >>2383385 Best Rhino on /sci/ you ugly

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Anonymous Thu Jan 20 19:50:15 2011 No.2383754

>>2383718

Yes, warmongering and inflicting authority REQUIRES STRONG SPIRITS. The human animal is something that delights in games of warmongering, cruelty, and malice.

It does not preclude kindness and compassion but those traits are bought with EONS of terrible acts by our predecessors.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 19:51:15 2011 No.2383769 bump for not rhino

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 19:52:15 2011 No.2383778 >>2383734 I'm not saying I believe in God you douchetard. I'm saying that Gods were made up by strong spirits, strong enough to IMPOSE judgement onto the world. How did such an obvious point GO OVER YOUR HEAD?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 20 19:52:15 2011 No.2383783 'bitch aint a rhino.. gtfo ...sage

>>	Tautoulogic !fcsdUrivQ. Thu Jan 20 19:57:12 2011 No.2383825 File: 40 KB, 550x375, 1295202740941.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] My defenition --> soul = immaterial part of a living being not claiming it a soul exactly as described in the bible

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Tautoulogic !fcsdUrivQ. Thu Jan 20 20:00:15 2011 No.2383838
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>>2383642
>>2383665

My defenition -->
soul = immaterial part of a living being

not claiming it a soul exactly as described in the bible

now im gonne need some sleep its 2:00
good night /sci/

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Anonymous Thu Jan 20 20:22:15 2011 No.2383928

>>2383838
Let's say for the sake of argument, I accept your definition. Assuming that you're taking one's "soul" to be a unique entity, what do you make of split brain patients? Do they each have 2 separate souls housed in the same body? Also, what about cases where a traumatic brain injury has caused such a complete change in one's personality, memory, etc. that they're unrecognizable from the person that they were before? What happened to their "soul" there? Did they get a new one?