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Does anyone else think that it's amazing and unbelievably lucky that we're alive at a point in time where medicine and science have advanced to the point that immortality doesn't seem all that far-fetched a possibility?

Incredibly unlikely? Certainly. Impossible? Not a chance.

I find this exciting.

>> No.2364310

But it will probably take another 100+ years to finally reach that state in which we can become immortal (or at least very close to it). We probably won't be alive. :\

>> No.2364311

Sea Anemones figured it out long before us, bro.

>> No.2364312

youwillliveto3000s.jpg
Feels damn awesome, bro.

>> No.2364313

Cancer will always ensure it never happens. Enjoy your failed fantasies.

>> No.2364316

>>2364310

Average lifespan's still growing I think...I may be wrong though. It's still POSSIBLE.

>>2364311

Have you read about that jellyfish that legit just lives forever? The ocean has some of the most interesting stuff in it, it's amazing.

>>2364312

=D

>> No.2364317

>>2364313
Why would you ensure that?

>> No.2364324

>>2364317

OP here, I was going to respond to him but I was way too enthralled with your post. You are winsauce.

highfive.jpg

>> No.2364327

>>2364317
> ensure: to guarantee

>> No.2364332

>>2364313

immortality doesn't necessarily mean in human form. Once mankind achieves singularity, it will only a matter of time before we are able to download our consciousness into a another object.

>> No.2364333

>>2364327

Not sure if troll.

>> No.2364336

>>2364332
rapture_for_nerds.jpg

>> No.2364357

>>2364332

If we were able to do that, wouldn't the "original" mind die and the new one would just be a copy?

I mean, you would never be able to tell, but assuming that you have two bodies, one with a mind one without, and you transfer the original mind to the second body, it would essentially just be a copy of the mind and erase the original (assuming the transfer is not an actual physical transfer of the "brain", but rather some sort of digital transfer, sort of like burning a disc).

I could go through and trim that sentence and clarify it to make it sound less like rambling, but I don't have the attention for that right this moment, and I feel it conveys my idea clearly enough.

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2364368

http://www.hplusmagazine.com/articles/forever-young/manhattan-beach-project-end-aging-2029

http://www.sens.org/sens-research/research-themes

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3329065877451441972#

http://www.nature.com/news/2010/101128/full/news.2010.635.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/nov/28/scientists-reverse-ageing-mice-humans

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>>2364368

Awesome.

Picture related, also awesome.

>> No.2364418

pmub

>> No.2364424

>>2364357
I've thought the same thing. The idea is really cool, but wouldn't transferring your "mind" to a computer kill you? You wouldn't be experiencing the consciousness, if there is one, and it's not even running on a biological system. It's not alive, although it's a brilliant expression/simulation of life.

>> No.2364459

>>2364424

Hmm...

That depends.

Let's say you alter a brain. You put some sort of mechanical thing in it, maybe to fix a problem, repair a stroke, I dunno something. That's fine.

But let's say you have some sort of brain damage and you can no longer form memories, so you repair it, again with something mechanical, so you're now forming memories via a machine, but still storing them in your own brain. Also fine imo.

But now let's say you get MORE brain damage, and you can form memories via the machine, but you cannot store them without a new machine. So now, the process of forming and storing memories is all mechanical. Still a human? I say yes.

Now let's go one step further. Now EVERYTHING in your brain has been turned in to a machine. You're essentially a robot, but a robot with all the memories and abilities of the human you once were. You can transfer your brain to different bodies and such via computers, because all of your memories and everything that makes you YOU are stored digitally.

Ok I totally lost where I was going with that, but I'm going to post it anyhow just to bump the thread...

>> No.2364482

>>2364459
I think you wanted to say that _gradual_ transformation of the brain will work.

>> No.2364529

>>2364459
Someone used the exact same concept against me before. Still, how would that work? Once the region of the brain responsible for consciousness is replaced, doesn't my previous take on it still remain valid?

>> No.2364531

>>2364299
Ho Anonmus. Im a time travl° from the yer 2267. I want to warn yu about anti-aging technologs. The' will fuck up all democracies on this planet, putting rich businessmen into the position of immortal kings and queens. The Eternals are the new owners of the world and the Insurg° are about loosing the civil war. Yu must prevent the rise of anti-aging technologs.

>> No.2364548

>>2364531
What, you implie there is no technocratie?
Wait, maybe we already are a lot of light-year away.

>> No.2364605

>Incredibly unlikely? Certainly. Impossible? Not a chance.

Yeah, but remember - winning the lottery is a similar proposition. Do you expect to win the lottery? No. Then you shouldn't expect to be alive when they beat aging. Give up on it and don't get your hopes up. Certainly don't plan your life on it, assume you're going to die at 65.

>> No.2364631

>>2364605
No it's going to happen in 30-40 years broskie

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>>2364631
Providing that American society doesn't degenerate into a civil war and become balkanized, the oil crisis holds off for another several decades, no kind of overpopulation problem crops up, the market doesn't fuck itself into oblivion, we find replacements for current sources of rare earth metals, the gap between the rich and the poor doesn't ruin the currently steady stream of science graduates, religious fundamentalism doesn't massively stand in the way of advances in medical science, AND we are lucky enough to get a whole bunch of genius biologists at once, then MAYBE it could happen. Yeah.

>> No.2364673

There have always been shucksters like Aubrey convincing people they can make them immortal and bring people back from the dead or other ridiculous claims. There's nothing particularly interesting about living at the same time as one particular shuckster.

>> No.2364690

>>2364673
Mr. DeGray is not a snake oil salesman, just an optimist. Optimists, however, are usually wrong.

>> No.2364753

bump

>> No.2364827

Transhumanist/Singularitan status:

[x] Told
[x] Told-school
[x] Knights of the Told Republic

>> No.2364871

Nah, but seriously? Few things are more up-in-the-air than that at this moment. It's really all a matter of luck for most of us, at this point. Namely: Will we be able to figure out advanced techniques for protein design, and how soon? How many geniuses will go into biology? What will happen to the world economy?

All hard things to predict. Could go either way.