Time for yet another: TECHNOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF SCI thread Narrowed the location down to SW Tasmania, still need to find exact coordinates of the ideal position for our capital city

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Anonymous Sat Jan 15 23:07:05 2011 No.2355870 [Reply] [Original]

Time for yet another:

TECHNOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF SCI thread

Narrowed the location down to SW Tasmania, still need to find exact coordinates of the ideal position for our capital city

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 23:09:05 2011 No.2355878 Why would you want to found your technocratic republic on Tasmania?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 23:11:05 2011 No.2355890 Why don't you join the other group of anons who are trying to make their own country? They already have a place picked out and have started setting shit up to begin this summer.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 23:14:05 2011 No.2355898 ITT: Zeitgeist Movement 2.0

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 23:16:05 2011 No.2355908 >>2355870 Ok have you advanced robotics to the point we can automate our factories yet?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 23:18:05 2011 No.2355910 >>2355870 That fucking picture looks like Vageta

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 23:19:05 2011 No.2355915 >>2355910 Holy shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 23:20:05 2011 No.2355920 >>2355910 OH GOD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE

>>	Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q Sat Jan 15 23:22:05 2011 No.2355927 >>2355910 It looks like a face looking down. A female face.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 23:23:05 2011 No.2355930 >>2355910 whathassciencedone.gif

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 23:26:05 2011 No.2355940 >>2355910 I wanna live on his nose!

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 23:28:05 2011 No.2355943 >>2355910 >I don't se-OH DEAR LORD

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 23:28:05 2011 No.2355944 >>2355910 Im on the goddamn floor jesus

>>	Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q Sat Jan 15 23:29:05 2011 No.2355949 >>2355944 >>2355943 >>2355940 >>2355930 >>2355920 I don't get it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 23:32:05 2011 No.2355959 >>2355949 Have you ever seen dbz? look at the land as a side profile of a face looking down. looks like vegeta.

>>	Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q Sat Jan 15 23:33:05 2011 No.2355962 >>2355959 I saw the guy on the Internet but it doesn't really look that much like him.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 23:34:05 2011 No.2355963 >>2355962 Just shut the fuck up and go away

>>	Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q Sat Jan 15 23:37:05 2011 No.2355972 >>2355963 FINE.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 23:37:05 2011 No.2355973 You now realize the the coast is a profile of a man's head looking down and to the left.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 23:38:05 2011 No.2355978 >>2355973 ......fucking idiots need to read the fucking thread.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 23:39:05 2011 No.2355981 >>2355962 You would probably have to see the show to see the resemblance. It looks like him screaming like he's going super sayian.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 23:45:05 2011 No.2356000 OP >hey guys TRS thread... Anon >zomg vegeta Anons >HORY SHET >whathassciencedone.jpg >oh god what the fuck >what has been seen OP >..guys?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 23:46:05 2011 No.2356003 File: 36 KB, 427x434, stupid thing.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2356000 Fuck OP and his worthless thread.

>>	Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. Sat Jan 15 23:47:05 2011 No.2356006 File: 16 KB, 470x336, 1259131915489.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2355910 What. The fuck. >>2355908 2039

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 23:51:05 2011 No.2356014 >>2356003 holy shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 15 23:55:05 2011 No.2356040 Best thread on /sci/

>>	Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. Sun Jan 16 00:01:05 2011 No.2356067 File: 152 KB, 950x873, tasmaniaTRS.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] OP, I already found the best coordinates.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 00:01:05 2011 No.2356068 Inurdaes, I think if the city is anywhere on this map we have to call it "Vegeta" now. Or at least name the whole thing "Vegeta Coast"

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 00:02:05 2011 No.2356069 >>2356067 I still see Vageta at the bottom.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 00:02:05 2011 No.2356073 >>2356067 Aren't there a bunch of aboriginals in the Aircastle area?

>>	Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. Sun Jan 16 00:03:05 2011 No.2356077 >>2356068 I am okay with there being a Vegeta Coast

>>	Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. Sun Jan 16 00:04:05 2011 No.2356079 >>2356073 Last time I checked all the Tasmanian aboriginies were killed a couple hundred years ago.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 00:04:05 2011 No.2356082 >>2356079 >>2356073 >>2356067 Fuckers need to gtfo out Vageta thread

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 00:06:05 2011 No.2356090 >>2355890 moar?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 00:07:05 2011 No.2356092 >>2355890 What? More information please.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 00:12:05 2011 No.2356111 >>2355890 >implying I want to do as much as even look at those fucks from /b/.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 00:14:05 2011 No.2356121 >>2356079 >>2356067 What about robotics? Have you advanced it yet? Have you done simple things like making industrial robots that can assemble things without being programmed to do so?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 00:19:05 2011 No.2356138 ITT: OP who doesn't know anything about economics and thinks technology can get around the economic calculation problem. Also Vegeta.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 00:20:05 2011 No.2356143 File: 101 KB, 510x362, Vegeta.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2356067 The capitol should be called Vegeta City. Population: Over 9000

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 00:23:05 2011 No.2356157 >>2356138 >HE THINKS TECHNOLOGY ISNT THE ANSWER TO EVERYTHING

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 00:27:05 2011 No.2356176 >>2356138 It can, we're just not at that point yet.

Anonymous Sun Jan 16 00:27:05 2011 No.2356177

>>2356157
Only it's not. The USSR was full of brilliant scientists and engineers, but collapsed because of the problems inherent with socialism. Technocracy is essentially taking this concept and saying "yeah but this time it'll work because we'll have more technology and a catchy name hurr duurr".

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 00:29:05 2011 No.2356179 >>2356176 >It can, we're just not at that point yet. Great, and argument as unfalsifiable as the keynesians and their "IT WASN'T BIG ENOUGH" cries. When your attempt fails I guess you'll just say we still weren't at that point then?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 00:29:05 2011 No.2356181 Is that Vegeta spitting blood?

>>	Samefag !SHjzCSZsqE Sun Jan 16 00:29:05 2011 No.2356182 >>2356177 Unlimited, unpaid workforce Scarcity free society Humanity is free to take its place among the cosmos. The USSR was united by labor. The TRS will transcend labor.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 00:33:05 2011 No.2356195 File: 329 KB, 576x432, SSJ3_Vegeta_by_hulkty.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2355870 Can we build a statue of Vegeta in Vegeta City with the words "It's over 9000!" engraved at the bottom?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 00:36:05 2011 No.2356206 >>2356182 Well it can't truly be scarcity free. There's no way we'll truly have infinite energy. We'll need some form of pseudo-money to limit consumption of goods and what not.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 00:36:05 2011 No.2356207 >>2356195 No, because this isn't the "Herder Nation of /b/"

Anonymous Sun Jan 16 00:37:05 2011 No.2356215

>>2356182
>Unlimited, unpaid workforce
So are you a) enslaving all of humanity or b) expecting people to work for nothing?

Also wages are an important signalling mechanism, just like every other price in the market. You're just planning to arbitrarily abolish them.

>Scarcity free society
Society will never be "scarcity free" in an economic sense. And you can't say that your idea will work because it will abolish scarcity. Circular reasoning much?

>Humanity is free to take its place among the cosmos.
I guess you didn't feel your post was long enough so you included another nice sounding but meaningless statement.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 00:41:05 2011 No.2356230 IT IS SPELLED VEGETA WITH AN E STOP SAYING VAGETA IT LOOKS LIKE VAGINA

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 00:41:05 2011 No.2356231 File: 56 KB, 640x480, ManufWorkcell.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] So why tasmania? Why are we choosing an area we want to colonize now instead of advancing robotics?

Anonymous Sun Jan 16 00:43:05 2011 No.2356240

>>2356215
You're missing the whole point of the TRS. It's not about devising the perfect labor system or the perfect economic system or anything like that. It's about creating a society in which people can live with little if any work required of them and focus all of their efforts on advancing the cause of science. All the nation's practical needs will be taken care of by super awesome robots that do everything and have no problems ever.

Anonymous Sun Jan 16 00:48:05 2011 No.2356260

>>2356240
>You're missing the whole point of the TRS. It's not about devising the perfect labor system or the perfect economic system or anything like that.
Go on...
>It's about creating a society in which people can live with little if any work required of them and focus all of their efforts on advancing the cause of science. All the nation's practical needs will be taken care of by super awesome robots that do everything and have no problems ever.
Oh wait, you mean it actually does have to do with economics?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 00:50:05 2011 No.2356268 >>2356240 >It's not about economics >It's about abolishing scarcity and human labour derp

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 00:54:05 2011 No.2356284 Economics is the distribution of scarce resources. If robots do everything and a post-scarcity society is possible, there are no more scarce resources, and thus economics is obsolete.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 00:58:05 2011 No.2356299 >>2356284 So again your argument boils down to "scarcity won't exist in our society because our society will abolish scarcity"? Fucking circular logic, how does it work?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 00:58:05 2011 No.2356300 sigh. nanotech. Give it a few more decades. the whole world will work like that soon enough.

Anonymous Sun Jan 16 01:05:05 2011 No.2356329

Last I checked, we were going to set up a low/no-tax government system with a free market microeconomy to handle the scarce resources, but the economy would be mostly energy-driven, in that people who can produce more energy than they consume will get rewards for doing so.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 01:06:05 2011 No.2356337 why tasmania ? why not Antarctica theres hardly anyone there except penguins.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 01:08:05 2011 No.2356342 >>2356300 This hinges on diamonoid mechanosynthesis working though.... Diamonoid mechanosynthesis might not work....

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 01:08:05 2011 No.2356344 >>2356207 But the area looks like Vegeta. And /sci/ would be screwed without /b/ so I don't mind paying them homage for the shit they've put up with.

Anonymous Sun Jan 16 01:09:05 2011 No.2356350

>>2356284
>>2356300
no
your nanomachines require energy and time
it wouldnt be feasible for the nanos to create unlimited things for everybody

there would have to be constraints on what people could demand from the nanos, thus creating a scarcity in both time and energy

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 01:10:05 2011 No.2356351 >>2356329 >Free market economy >Economy totally centered around the government distributing resources based on some arbitrary notion of "if you make more energy than you use" wat

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 01:11:05 2011 No.2356360 Southwest Tasmania is a national park you fools. Ignoring the huge issue of funding this pipe dream, how are you going to convince the Australian government to not only privatize a conservationist region, but secede it to another country?

Anonymous Sun Jan 16 01:15:05 2011 No.2356378

>>2356360

We move right the fuck in. What, you think they're going to mobilize their military to take a few dozen fags out of a conservation site when they're just building shit on the coastline?

This stuff happens all the time. Most governments that aren't the US, UK or other power-hungry nations don't even bother with it. More hassle than it's worth, and the worst thing that'll happen is that it will make international news and boost their tourism.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 01:15:05 2011 No.2356379 >>2356179 >>2356179 When your attempt fails I guess you'll just say we still weren't at that point then? Isn't that what everyone does? Find me a system that never failed.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 01:15:05 2011 No.2356382 http://technocraticrepublic.freeforums.org/

BEYOND THE IMPOSSIBLE IS KNOWLEDGE AND TOASTIES. Anonymous Sun Jan 16 01:18:05 2011 No.2356395
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>>2356360
Beat the opposition with slide rules.
Fuck yeah slide rules.
Look at this guy. You can only dream of looking this professional.
Now look at those fucking guys behind him.
Study that intense look of serene calculating.
You will never look that intelligent.
Fucking pessimist.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 01:19:05 2011 No.2356399 >>2356378 Hahaha and you actually think a modern government is not going to care about people setting up a rival government inside its borders, collecting taxes, and building infrastructure on a nature preserve?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 01:19:05 2011 No.2356401 >>2356395 >150 extra engineers Damn, what kind of freaky gay orgy were they trying to set up?

>>	ALSO LOLFLOODS Anonymous Sun Jan 16 01:19:05 2011 No.2356404 >>2356360 Aus is practically begging for money right about now.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 01:24:05 2011 No.2356423 >>2356404 Australia has a debt to GDP ratio of 17.6%. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_public_debt You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

Anonymous Sun Jan 16 01:28:05 2011 No.2356436

>>2356299

What people like you fail to realize is that the important kinds of scarcity are easy to deal with.

Food, water, and electricity are the essentials of modern living and are fairly easy to make not scarce given a proper set-up. Further a good many consumer goods are only scarce due to marketing and advertisement tactics. I'm referring to planned obsolescence and perceived obsolescence of course.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 01:29:05 2011 No.2356446 >>2356379 >Isn't that what everyone does? Find me a system that never failed. Only retarded systems make unfalsifiable excuses like "it would've worked if we just had more (stimulus spending/technology/etc.)

Anonymous Sun Jan 16 01:36:05 2011 No.2356464

>>2356436
>given a proper set-up

That is the catch. Such a society will require huge amounts of input and capital in order to reach sustainability. You will need millions upon millions to obtain land, build factories, acquire state of the art robotics, and establish infrastructure. And this government will collect next to no taxes to recoup those costs.

This technocracy is a fool's dream.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 01:36:05 2011 No.2356465 >>2356436 >Food, water, and electricity are the essentials of modern living and are fairly easy to make not scarce given a proper set-up like what? 3rd world countries (even those with money) are struggling to fulfill these needs

Anonymous Sun Jan 16 01:36:05 2011 No.2356466

>>2356436
What people like you fail to realize is that the important kinds of scarcity are easy to deal with.

>Food, water, and electricity are the essentials of modern living and are fairly easy to make not scarce given a proper set-up.
And what people like you fail to realise is that having running water, reliable electricity and not starving to death =/= abolishing scarcity.

>Further a good many consumer goods are only scarce due to marketing
Cool story.

>I'm referring to planned obsolescence
You mean where increased product life isn't worth the additional cost of production?

>and perceived obsolescence of course.
Like when something new and better comes out? Well we better stop all technological progress then. I'm sure that won't cause problems for your idealogy.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 01:38:05 2011 No.2356471 >>2356465 >like what? Generally speaking, a somewhat free market as opposed to some socialist pipe-dream like technocracy.

Anonymous Sun Jan 16 01:54:05 2011 No.2356535

>>2356464
>Such a society will require huge amounts of input and capital

All the nations of the world required huge amount of influence over resources and manpower to set up. Are you suggesting that no nations exist?

>>2356466
>And what people like you fail to realise is that having running water, reliable electricity and not starving to death =/= abolishing scarcity.

Those are the essentials upon which life in the modern world are built, deal with them and it's possible to reduce scarcity to a near non-existent level.

>You mean where increased product life isn't worth the additional cost of production?

I mean where despite better and better manufacturing equipment and materials goods last a fraction of what they did 20, 30 or 40 years ago.

>Like when something new and better comes out?

New =/= Better
Better =/= Improved
Improved =/= Improved so little it can't be noticed.

If you understand that you'll understand why what you said was self-defeating. Just look at cell phones and video games, those "new and improved" every six months these days but the milestones of actual improvements are no where near that rapid.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 01:59:05 2011 No.2356557 File: 393 KB, 533x399, 1284864864775.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2356535 >Are you suggesting that no nations exist? No. I am suggesting you and a handful of internet denizens lack the ability or funding to create a modern nation.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 02:15:05 2011 No.2356611 >>2356557 Are you suggesting that you possess the clairvoyance to know our IRL capabilities and finances?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 02:18:05 2011 No.2356621 >>2356611 Not the other guy; You're a dick.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 02:20:05 2011 No.2356627 >>Just look at cell phones and video games, those "new and improved" every six months these days but the milestones of actual improvements are no where near that rapid. So you're ignoring moore's law?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 02:22:05 2011 No.2356637 >>2355910 lmaoo now thats all i see

Anonymous Sun Jan 16 02:25:05 2011 No.2356645
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>>2356611
Yes. I am omniscient. You must have missed the memorandumb.

If you possess the wherewithal and capital to achieve this venture you needn't my support to create this glorious republic run by technocrats.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 03:04:05 2011 No.2356791 1) buy land 2) construct vertically PROBLEM SOLVED.

Anonymous Sun Jan 16 03:11:05 2011 No.2356815

>>2356535
>Those are the essentials upon which life in the modern world are built, deal with them and it's possible to reduce scarcity to a near non-existent level.
You don't even understand what scarcity means in an economic sense and why it is relevant here. You think non-scarcity means "not starving".

>I mean where despite better and better manufacturing equipment and materials goods last a fraction of what they did 20, 30 or 40 years ago.
And cost a fraction of what they did compared to wages, and are generally superior products.

>New =/= Better
>Better =/= Improved
>Improved =/= Improved so little it can't be noticed.
Here I was thinking that consumers knew a bit more about what they desire than you do. Forgive me all-knowing one.

Anonymous Sun Jan 16 03:28:05 2011 No.2356878

>>2356627
Moore's law does not occur in six month intervals.

>>2356815
When talking about food scarcity it means exactly that. When talking about energy scarcity it means having abundant means of producing power. When talking water scarcity it means the ability to produce clean water, from even normally undrinkable sources.

>And cost a fraction of what they did compared to wages, and are generally superior products.

Compared to who's wages?
Also superior is a vague description, they have superior technology but they lack life time and are not easily recycled or upgraded in many cases. It's equivalent to saying you'd be okay with living til you turn 15 if you can live like a millionaire's kid.

>Here I was thinking that consumers knew a bit more about what they desire than you do. Forgive me all-knowing one.

Consumers desire what they've been led to desire on an unconscious level. The success of that fast food industry and it's advertising methods are enough proof of that; if you can't understand or accept that you can go back to your creation museum.

Anonymous Sun Jan 16 03:57:05 2011 No.2356971

>>2356878
>>they lack life time
does it not makes sense for a product like a cellphone to use as little resources possible because it will be replaced with superior technology in 6 months time?
>>can't be upgraded
this is because it's very very difficult to be forwards compatible, because we can't know the future.

Also products that are likely to have short lifecycles like cellphones, computers, and electronics could still be produced in TRS.

Right now, the technologies of electronic circuitry 3d printing, lights out chip fabs, and maskless lithography are being developed, which would allow for the automatic construction of electronics.

Anonymous Sun Jan 16 05:08:05 2011 No.2357143

Does anyone know of any high-res shots of the selected areas? Might not be the best idea to build right on the coast because then it's easier to see our location and the more hidden we are, the better. But it'd be nice if we could actually start planning the city out

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 05:14:05 2011 No.2357154 >>2355870 >TECHNOCRATIC confirmed for retard

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 05:17:05 2011 No.2357161 >>2356240 Yea, that's the problem, because it's a pipedream in every meaningful sense of the word. Get back to me once we invent strong AI. Then I'll blow it up to prevent it from becoming skynet. (Joking, sort of.)

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 05:20:05 2011 No.2357163 >>2357154 I love constructive criticism!

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 05:22:05 2011 No.2357167 >>2357163 See my other post at: >>2357161

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 05:25:05 2011 No.2357169 >>2357167 Because blowing up technology is really constructive as well.

Anonymous Sun Jan 16 05:25:05 2011 No.2357170

has any consideration been given to the long term demands of a nation; even if it achieved sustainability?

for starters, this theoretical nation could only survive with a self driven work force of higher thinkers; and humans don't work hard for very long if they are taken care of regardless.

in a no-scarcity economy, there is no drive to ensure long term diligence; and what about immigration of lesser workers to this new nation?

Anonymous Sun Jan 16 05:33:05 2011 No.2357179

>>2357161
I don't know how long it will take for strong AI to be invented, if it's possible at all, but human-level of intelligence should happen well within our lifetimes by modeling biological-like neural networks in hardware (which is getting more efficient each day, however it will reach fundamental physical limitations within our lifetime as well, moore's law doesn't have that long to live). Still, it would be questionable if enslaving such AIs would be moral, even if one were to design some reward pathways which benefit humanity (for example, for cheap slave labor). Possibly a better use of such an AI would be to allow it to generate much more deep information hierarchies than humans do (the prefrontal cortex was increased in the monkey->human transition which led to much increased capability of retaining associations about the world and eventually much increased intelligence. Imagine if you could further repeat this process as much as you'd want, get much better sensors and have the ability to have your neurons work some 1000-10000 times faster (with the possibility of slow down for practical reasons)), which would result in a psuedostrong AI, which is much smarter than humans, but still limited by the issues that plague such architectures.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 05:33:05 2011 No.2357182 >>2357169 Blowing up a sentient computer system bent on the destruction of humanity seems like a good plan to me.

Anonymous Sun Jan 16 05:39:05 2011 No.2357187

>>2357179
> continued
And then have the AI build less sentient robots, which could be less morally objectionable.

>>2357182
Why does everyone assume that it would do this? Such AIs would only go as far as you'd want them to go. Skynet-like AIs are not possible since most of the network is just slow sequential CPUs and slow networking, not very suitable for running itself. Besides humans would design some reward pathways to motivate it to do their bidding.
I know this is a nasty analogy, but you do realize that controlling a human by getting it addicted to drugs or certain rewards is perfectly possible. It's just a perfect example of how one subverts the reward pathways to ensure enslavement of some individual. The typical mammal's reward system is hardwired for sex, food and sleep (of course, with drugs, or direct neural stimulation, it's perfectly possible to subvert this). An AI's reward system could be hard-wired for whatever you want.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 05:40:05 2011 No.2357188 >>2357182 You didn't say it was bent on destroying humanity. >Then I'll blow it up to prevent it from becoming skynet. You'd blow it up "just in case." Like a religious nutjob would.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 05:46:05 2011 No.2357194 >>2357188 See: >(Joking, sort of.)

Anonymous Sun Jan 16 05:50:05 2011 No.2357200

the problem with an AI is that we would have no way of predicting its thought patterns and conclusions.

sure we could watch them via screen interface, but the point of a true intelligence is that it can adapt and evolve based on its environment and goals.

we may end up having to reset it every couple of years or months based on where its thoughts stray

unless we are talking about a complex program that exists within strict parameters, thus being next to useless as an AI

Anonymous Sun Jan 16 05:55:05 2011 No.2357202

>>2357200
You could probably inspect its thoughts to some degree, or make an AI to inspect it.
Besides, why would one be so afraid? They'd still be as limited as humans can be, even moreso because they'd be at our whims as to what resources they can get. If the AI only plays a supervisory role, it'd probably be useful and harmless. If you give it too much power in the real world, it could be a problem, at least if you have no way of controlling it.

Anonymous Sun Jan 16 06:10:05 2011 No.2357229

I'm curious about what kind of standards you're going to hold your population to. How much money invested to immigrate? Any standards of intelligence, education, race, religion? If I was going to make a society I think I would in the very least stipulate that it be religion free.

Anonymous Sun Jan 16 06:10:05 2011 No.2357230

my biggest concern is information control

if an AI got onto the internet and was able to replicate itself into backups and set those to run autonomously, there would be no controlling it.

we could be set back hundreds of years based on how the world is moving to digital storage; if it became malevolent

additionally, an AI to watch an AI? thats like putting inmates on an honor system.

Anonymous Sun Jan 16 06:13:05 2011 No.2357233

>>2357202
>If the AI only plays a supervisory role, it'd probably be useful and harmless. If you give it too much power in the real world, it could be a problem, at least if you have no way of controlling it.
Yeah, well, the technocrat pipe dream is to put the AI in charge, not in a supervisory role.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 06:15:05 2011 No.2357237 create sarogates to power the military force major funding supplies infinite sarogates to be manned by minimal man and do all the manual labor constructing cuz your all pussies

Anonymous Sun Jan 16 06:16:05 2011 No.2357238

>>2357230
You don't understand that current CPU architectures are highly unsuitable for running such an AI. They are limited to their hardware as we're limited to our brains.

The only major thing you have to worry is if you give it manufacturing capabilities, it produces more of itself and wages a physical war against you.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 06:20:05 2011 No.2357248 Computer scientist here. Can you guys stop talking about strong AI as if it's just around the corner? It's kind of embarrassing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 06:22:05 2011 No.2357250 >>2357248 computer scientist my ass. SINGULARITY AT MY HOUSE TOMORROW GUYS BYO DRINKS

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 06:27:05 2011 No.2357256 at least we are off the topic of an independent techno-socialist nation on tasmania

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 06:30:05 2011 No.2357260 If I ever make millions I'll build an Arcology in the middle of the desert and invite all you guys for free.

Anonymous Sun Jan 16 06:30:05 2011 No.2357261

>>2357248
Strong AI maybe not, but some AI modeled on the human neocortex? Surely, models are getting better and (efficient, low-power) hardware to run (biological-like) neural networks of the size of the neocortex will be here in about 5 years. I can't imagine it will take more than some 10-20 years for a mammalian-like or human-like AI to be reached. The current thing to do is to improve models while waiting for the neuromorphic hardware to get done (multiple labs, commercial, state-owned, etc are working on such hardware). It may not be the strong AI you saw you movies, but it should be good enough for now.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 06:31:05 2011 No.2357262 >>2357260 that would cost billions, perhaps trillions

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 06:55:05 2011 No.2357297 Bump for /sci/ence sake

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 07:03:05 2011 No.2357307 File: 38 KB, 264x354, technocrats_mag.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] childish escapism confounded Skisno

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>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 12:40:05 2011 No.2358263 this will never happen

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 16 12:45:05 2011 No.2358283 I want this to happen, but it wont. Although it is fun to consider, and if some billionaire gets some ambition and brains, and happens to stumble across this idea of a whole place dedicated to science, then this may be worthwhile.

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