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What came before God?

>> No.2332361
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2332361

He has always been.

>> No.2332367

>He

>> No.2332376

>>2332361
That image makes me crack up everytiem.

>> No.2332391

IF WE ASSUME GOD EXISTS, AND GOD CREATED EVERYTHING, THEN IT STANDS TO REASON THAT GOD CREATED TIME.

THEREFORE, THERE IS NO "BEFORE" GOD, AS GOD WAS THERE AT THE BEGINNING OF TIME (WHEN HE CREATED IT), AND THE QUESTION IS RENDERED NONSENSICAL.

IF YOU MEANT TO ASK "WHAT WAS IT LIKE BEFORE TIME EXISTED", WELL THAT'S A VERY STRANGE THING TO IMAGINE INDEED. THERE'S NO "BEFORE" OR "AFTER", EVENTS DIDN'T "HAPPEN", AND SO ON.

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2332424

So there was nothing before God?
>>2332391

>> No.2332434

SO WHY CAN'T WE JUST ASSUME THE UNIVERSE STARTED ITSELF, THEN?

>> No.2332435

>>2332424

I'M SAYING THAT A GOD WHO CREATED EVERYTHING WAS THERE BEFORE THE CONCEPT OF "BEFORE" EXISTED, SO EVEN IF SOMETHING PRECEDED GOD, IT WOULDN'T REALLY BECAUSE TIME AS WE KNOW IT DIDN'T EXIST.

SO BASICALLY, YES. BUT AGAIN THIS IS ALL ASSUMING GOD EXISTS, GOD WAS THE CREATOR OF EVERYTHING INCLUDING TIME.

>> No.2332447

>>2332356
Man

>> No.2332464

>>2332447
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>> No.2332469
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2332469

MIND = BLOWN

>> No.2332470

>>2332356
In the beginning, you are at the beginning.
There is no middle ground. So, in the beginning, you either have:
- a single unit of matter-energy, which will then expand (why?), creating time
- a single unit of awarized-energy (you can call it God if you like), which will then expand, creating time.

>> No.2332476

>>2332424
>>2332424
>Implying God isn't the concept of Zero, One, and Infinity (the wholy trinity)

>> No.2332493
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>> No.2332498

>>2332356

potatoes

>> No.2332508

>>2332424
According to its press release, no.

>> No.2332515

>>2332356
God's dad, in God's mother's vagoo.

>> No.2332520

>>2332356
Man created God in their own image, fashioned out of Mankind's own fears and inadequacies; this is why God is Fail.

>> No.2332523

God creates man, Man creates God.
Man creates God, God creates Man.

You've got me there dude who posted it, thanks for the entertainment.

>> No.2332527

god is the drawer in the kitchen where you throw all the little shit that doesn't go anywhere else. It's a collection of odds and ends wrapped in ignorance smothered in stupid sauce.

>> No.2332534

>>2332520
That's the best way to put it that I've ever read.

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>>2332515

>> No.2332545

>What came before God?

Confusing ontological priority for temporal priority.

Rookie mistake

>> No.2332549

>>2332527
That's a rathe large drawer.

>> No.2332552

>>2332435

This.

/thread

>> No.2332604

But then there are the people who say that the universe has always been there. What of it?

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2332671

Infinity. God creates Man, Man creates God, God creates Man, Man creates God, God creates Man, Man creates God, God creates Man, Man creates God, God creates Man, Man creates God, God creates Man, Man creates God, God creates Man, Man creates God, God creates Man, Man creates God

>> No.2332701

>>2332545
Can somebody put that into pirate laymans words? I don't understand. Arrr.

>> No.2332710
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2332710

Master Chief.

>> No.2332730

>>2332710
O yeah?

What came befrore HALO then?

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>>2332671
God Creates Dinosaurs, God destroys Dinosaurs, God Creates Man, Man Destroys God, Man Creates Dinosaurs.

Simple.

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2332739

>>2332731

DOOM CAME BEROFE MASTER CHIEF

COCKMOUTHER

>> No.2332742

>>2332545

this

>> No.2332754

>>2332710
You're seriously a mind fuck bro. ;)

>> No.2332770

>>2332701

htsti.com/?q=orthogonal.priority+OR+temporal.priority

>> No.2332850

As an atheist, you most likely believe that you are the product or creation of the universe. By asking this basic GCSE level philosophy question 'what created the creator' you are simply begging the same question. I am an agnostic, but a god that created the laws of physics and is the architect of the universe would not be tied down by its individual restraints.

>> No.2332881

>>2332604
The Universe has always existed since the beginning of time. But time is also relevant. There for time is has an affect only on those who perceive it. There for time only exists in our minds its our way of rationalizing the universe and giving order to our own lives. So "does time really exist?" is the true question.

>> No.2332898

if god didn't exist one would have to invent him

>> No.2332921

Time only applies in our Universe. Such as any physical law we know -causality, for example.
Therefore, "before" the Universe, causality could not apply. Then God, such as our Universe, could have been without any first cause.

>> No.2332940

>>2332850
actually, you are making a logical fallacy in assuming that the Creator is Himself a created being, which He is not

He is the Great I Am, the alpha and omega, the beginning and the end. By Him were all things created, and without Him, nothing was created.

>> No.2332948

>>2332940

But that makes him indistinguishable from the universe itself. So all you've done is taken the universe and called it god.

However, deities do not behave like universes.

Always funny how theists always change to deists or pantheists when their beliefs come under fire.

>> No.2332965

>>2332948
Plus, pantheism doesn't mean shit.

>> No.2332967

>>2332850

Special pleading.

How can you have an event preceding the start of time? It's impossible by definition, seeing as how an event has duration.

>> No.2332971

>>2332940

sic! ... and without creation [he] would not exist.

>> No.2332974

>>2332948
not at all. there is the earth and three heavens.

the first heaven is the air we breathe; the second heaven is outer space. both of those heavens were created in the beginning.

the third heaven, where God resides, always has been.

so from the third heaven, which has always existed, God, who has always existed, created the heavens (1 and 2) and the earth.

the creation is separate from the Creator

>> No.2332978

>>2332965

Pantheism is scientific naturalism dressed up in spiritual mumbo jumbo.

>> No.2332986

>>2332978
pantheism is usually the coward's way of covering all of his bases, on the chance that he might worship the wrong god and/or not worship the correct god

>> No.2332989

>>2332967
Time is only a dimension of our Universe. "Outside" of it it doesn't mean anything.

>> No.2332991

>>2332948

Are you discounting the possibility that these things are not related?

Omnipresence, omniscience, terms that are used to describe the christan God.

The universe is also this. As far as we understand, unlimited by space or dimension, everywhere at once.

>> No.2332993

>>2332974

If the creation is seperate from the creator, how can he influence us at all? If god is 'outside the universe' nothing he does can affect us.

Furthermore, you need time to perform actions. Still waiting for an answer on that one.

>> No.2332998

its pretty obvious the world rides upon the back of a giant tortoise.

>> No.2333002

What came before the God, OP speaks about? This "Christian" God?

Another god. A god formed in the minds of humans in another religion. A deity that has been created to fill in gaps and assume responsibility.

What came before that? Another god. Another god to satisfy those people to fill in their own gaps.

This cycle continues until deities and gods don't exist. What came before 'God' then?

Everything that was before homo sapiens had evolved, or from the separation of their ancestors.


I can play this game too. Don't think I'm done, but this is a troll thread so either way, it doesn't matter.

>> No.2333009

>>2332998

No you fool, it's a turtle! Tortoises can't swim through space.

>> No.2333010

>>2332993
time is the measure of decay. before the heavens and the earth were created, nothing decayed; there was no time measurable, and nothing with which to measure time.

once things were created, day and night, and the seasons, you could speak of time passing, because something was changing; decaying in a sense. prior to that, with God and the angels existing in the third heaven, there was no means by which to tell time; no means to measure decay or change.

>> No.2333017

Either God applies to logic and physical laws of our Universe -which means he's not God-, either he does not and that means science is a worthless piece of crap.

>> No.2333020

me duh

>> No.2333025

>>2332993
most of God's influence comes through the Holy Spirit. After He sent His son to die for our redemption, the Holy Spirit came to bind us together in the same way that the Holy Spirit binds God and Jesus together into one triune being.

God can, has, and will influence people; some by striking them dead, some by plagues, some by miracles of healings, or even being raised from the dead.

But God created us for communion; to be together with Him. Love, not rape. Seeing the Holy God in His splendor would leave us choiceless and bereft of our senses, and probably our lives.

>> No.2333026

Oh my fucking God. This shitstorm can easily be avoided through logic.

What created the Universe?
>god
What created God?
>god isn't created
If beings can "always be", the Universe being just that, then logically, the Universe could also "always be", not requiring a creator.
>the Universe operates on physical laws, god does not
Then it is pointless to ask any question that requires empirical evidence of God.

/thread

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>>2333010
Kid, adults are talking. Go pray and then go to bed.

>> No.2333034

>>2333017
science as a means to understand how He did what He did, and how He does what He does, is a wonderful thing.

science assuming He doesn't exist and explaining Him away into meaninglessness is not.

>> No.2333038

>>2333026
In our Universe everything is logic or nothing is. No exception for God.

>> No.2333039

>>2333027
i accept your argument, and raise you one "your mother."

>> No.2333041

>>2333010

Time is a dimension, kid. Learn to Relativity.

>> No.2333044

>>2333038

Which is exactly why it is meaningless to ask questions of God. Agnosticism is the only truly logical way to go about our Universe.

>> No.2333046

>>2333038

This. If god is illogical he can't exist.

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>>2333034
> everything has a meaning.

Please go to bed now.

>> No.2333048

>>2333026
you cannot put inanimate matter into a tube and produce life, yet science holds that abiogenesis happened

you cannot create something from nothing in a lab, yet science argues that is what happened

science has gone off the rails; it seeks to explain a universe where there is no need for God

maybe you should ask yourself why that is so, rather than if that is so

>> No.2333050

>>2333025
That would mean, if I destroyed and killed every Christian citizen, a genocide, and destroyed all evidence of them ever existing, God wouldn't give a fuck. I have no free-will, he knows everything and knows it before it happens.

Therefore, it does not matter to you or anyone of your beliefs that I exterminated your religion. Why? An act of God. Whether you like it or not, from your standards, it must be an act of God whether or not it's for the 'good or evil'.

This can also be applied to the false labeling of 'science'; as a religion. From this, it doesn't matter what science does, because 'God' knows what will happen. Therefore, it is neither your problem to interfere with it, if it is the act of God.


>inb4someonecommitsthechristianholocaust.

>> No.2333052

>>2333044

>Which is exactly why it is meaningless to ask questions of Santa. Agnosticism is the only truly logical way to go about our Universe.

>> No.2333053

>>2333041
verified in a lab? recreatable?

no, that is a hypothesis, a way of explaining why everything doesn't happen at once

time is a shared perceptual illusion demarked by decay, nothing more, nothing less

>> No.2333054

>>2333052

Lol'd. I'm on your side, troll. I don't believe in Santa either.

>> No.2333056

>>2333050

actually the christfag god has a habit of punishing people for things he coerced them into doing.

He would care, because he's a fucking troll god who enjoys fucking with people's heads.

>> No.2333059

0101010101010101001010101010101010

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>God is One, and is the same at the beginning and the end of time.
>he is omniscient
>humans have still free-will

>> No.2333061

>>2333056
He doesn't have emotions. He doesn't have logic. He doesn't even understand what he does, but apparently he does.

So why does he know what he is doing, if what he is doing doesn't make him an omnipotent being at all?

>> No.2333064

>>2333050
That would mean, if I destroyed and killed every Christian citizen, a genocide, and destroyed all evidence of them ever existing, God wouldn't give a fuck.

>quite the opposite; doing so would remove the Holy Spirit from the earth, and the Holy Spirit is He Who Restrains. Without restraint, the world would descend into the apocalypse in 3.5 years. to the day.

you are confusion the will of God with the acts of God; the will of God is what is being played out in heaven right now, not on earth. we pray for it to be carried out here on earth, but satan still holds the keys here.

in the next earth, the will of God will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

>> No.2333066

>>2333053

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativity_of_simultaneity

There ya go.

>> No.2333068

>>2333048

>inanimate matter into test tube and produce life
Neither can we accurately reproduce the conditions of the young Earth quite yet.
Abiogenesis had to have happened at some point in time - it is supported by the facts of evolution and the fact that you are here today.

>> No.2333071

>>2333053
Actually, with computer, you can create an other kind of dimension which replace the time.

>> No.2333073

>>2333061
He indeed does have emotions; He is love. He is also a jealous God, and his wrath is horrific. He gets angry, and He is pleased, and He exhibits quite a few other emotions as well.

As for your free will, how much free will do you think you have stuck in the one place in the universe where the concentration of evil is complete? do you see who is running things down here? do you want to be with him/them forever?

>> No.2333075

>>2333064

Theists: continuously reshaping their god to wriggle out of whatever flaw is presented.

ie, there's something wrong with your god, so you make up a bunch of hypothetical bullshit on the spot. Apologetics in a nutshell: assume god exists and work from there.

>> No.2333078

Atheists/Theists = butt hurt emotional fags. Existence of god can never be truly known just surmised. God (if real) exists outside of our reality and can never be proven or dis proven. Even if we figured out everything there is to know about our reality all we can do is have a more educated guess about what god is.

>> No.2333080

This is what you need to know:

God creates dinosaurs, God destroys dinosaurs. God creates man, man destroys God. Man creates dinosaurs, dinosaurs destroy man.

>>Johnomy condition

>> No.2333081

>>2333078

THANK YOU.
THREAD SHOULD BE DONE NOW.
/thread

>> No.2333082

>>2333073

>anger, jealously, genocide are sins

>god is angry, jealous, instigates genocide.

>god is all loving.

Wut. Inb4 he has a different moral standard, that's relativism.

If there is a god it is our solemn duty to become his moral superior.

>> No.2333083

>>2333066
>in physics, the relativity of simultaneity is the concept
>the concept
>concept

>> No.2333087

>>2333080
uh, wasn't that Jurassic Park?

>> No.2333089

The "What was before X?"/"What created Y?" arguments in no way, shape, or form give any weight to the existance of any of the homocentric dieties (Greek, Hindu, Abrahamic), but only the raw concept of a God-like entity.

If you are going to argument for their existance, use an argument that utilizes the traits surrounding the deity in question, otherwise the various "human" gods will be just be considered bunk, seeing as they are by their very nature beings with properties and personalities that would make reality a far less "stable" place if they actually existed.

>> No.2333090

>>2333078

YOU CANT DISPROVE THE FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER!

GIVE ME EQUAL TIME! MY BULLSHIT IS AS VALID AS SCIENCE!

>> No.2333093

>>2333083

Inb4 the bible trumps the laws of physics.

>> No.2333096

>>2333082
Oh, has God displeased you with His actions? maybe you should take it up with Him in court. only, how will you get Him there? who will be the judge? who will be the jury?

if the potter makes a pot that displeases him, he throws it onto the scrap heap.

you're the pot, not the potter. for the pot to tell the potter what to do and how to act is unseemly and incongruent. just pray you don't get thrown on the scrap heap.

>> No.2333102

>>2333090
The flying spaghetti monster would in theory exists in our universe so yes lack of evidence does disprove it. But as for god there would be no evidence except the universe its self even then you still could not say he exists or doesn't

ATHIESTS=0
THEISTS=0
AGNOSTICS=1

>> No.2333104

>>2333096

God says he loves all of his creations. Why then, throw them onto the scrap heap?

>> No.2333105

>>2333090
indeed, you are a free agent, and can worship the FSM at your leisure.

anything you make can be a god; people make gods all the time. some out of stone, some out of bronze, or gold, but all shaped by man's hands.

hell, the israelites made a golden calf and worshipped it for freeing them from Egypt while Moses was gone for 40 days getting the 10 commandments.

so yeah, there are a lot of false gods, and only one true God. narrow is the way that leads to life, but broad is the road to destruction.

>> No.2333108

I made this thread for a nice discussion and it ended up filled with Atheist/Theist trolls...

>> No.2333109

>>2333102

WHO FUCKING TOLD YOU THAT! LIARS! HEATHENS! THE FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER CAN HOP IN AND OUT OF THE UNIVERSE AT WILL!

ABSENCE OF EVIDENCE IS NOT EVIDENCE OF ABSENCE! YOU CANT DISPROVE IT, SO TEACH OUR DOCTRINE IN SCHOOLS!

>> No.2333112

I really have to wonder why people still think that religion and science oppose each other directly.

So far I have only found a couple of issues in assorted religions, and they are normally quite minor, or you need to nitpick to find it.

I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.

God want me to do SCIENCE, and by golly, I will.

>> No.2333113

>>2333078
Agnostic = self-proclaimed smarter than everyone because it's became trendy to ignore it's emotions and opinions about God.
Most of atheist don't past their time to complain about religious people and argue with them, most of theist are not proselyte and simply try to live their live in agreement wth their belief.
But, yeah, you're such a smart guy, aren't you ?

>> No.2333114

>>2333104
He is a just and Holy God; you cannot forgo that in favor of a loving and caring God. He is primarily just and Holy, and it is not just nor holy to allow sin to enter into His presence and dwell with Him; sin and God are mutually exclusive.

the broken pots are unrepentant sinners; then there are pots beautiful to look at, used as ornaments, and pots to be used as chamber pots.

we live in the potter's world; it pays to listen to what He says He will and will not do

>> No.2333115

>>2333105

Zeus is the one true god. You will suffer in Hades for your heresy!

>> No.2333120

>>2333104
He is a just and Holy God; you cannot forgo that in favor of a loving and caring God. He is primarily just and Holy, and it is not just nor holy to allow sin to enter into His presence and dwell with Him; sin and God are mutually exclusive.

the broken pots are unrepentant sinners; then there are pots beautiful to look at, used as ornaments, and pots to be used as chamber pots.

we live in the potter's world; it pays to listen to what He says He will and will not do.

wtf mistype mistype mistype flood. fuckin' captcha

>> No.2333123

>>2333115
Zeus is too busy banging your wife right now.

>> No.2333124

>>2333114

So let me get this straight. If I was to make a sapient, sentient robot, capable of suffering and philosophising, then subjected it to agonizing torture for fun, it would be okay because I created it?

GET. FUCKED. This is why divine command ethics are cancer.

>> No.2333125

>>2333115
LOL I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND YOU

>> No.2333126

>>2333112
exactly. unfortunately, you are now in the minority, rather than the majority, of self proclaimed scientists.

watson & crick reasoned that God was an orderly being, and that He would use order in regards to the elements, and so went looking for that order and found it.

>> No.2333128

>>2333120

Have you no pride, man? You sound like someone happy to live under an admitted absolute dictatorship as a slave.

>> No.2333129

>>2333124
if you could make such a thing, consider for a moment what its God would be

and what its universe would be, were you its God

>> No.2333133

pascal>>2332356 What came before God?

>> No.2333136

>>2333128
i am a servant of the most High Lord; that is enough for me. to hear the words "well done, my good and faithful servant" is the thing i most cherish. alas, i fear i will not hear them, but still, i press on, in hopes that in finishing strong, my other failings will be forgiven.

>> No.2333140

>>2333089
Cont.

The further theists attempt to prove or at the very least make their brand of the divine seem a fraction more sensible, the further away from it's original form they inevitably take it, (de)evolving the argument to the point that the god-concept is impossible to recognize from where it became.

The various philosophical arguments are at their end-point nearly always about the deist's god, spinoza's brainchild, the force of nature with a brute name slapped onto it for the sake of brevity alone.

>> No.2333141

>>2333129

Its god would be me, since I created it.

Of course were this to actually happen, I would not enslave the guy but treat him with comradeship and respect as a fellow sapient being, with the same moral bounds as myself.

>> No.2333143

>>2333113

What is "it's"? We never proclaim to be smarter just based upon the fact that we are agnostic. We are simply more logical than those who base their deductions off emotions and opinions. Doing so would be a fallacy.

You are just an idiot troll, however. 4/10 for getting me to reply.

captcha says: Zieloved thinkers
The loved thinkers, eh? Sweet.

>> No.2333144

>>2333141
correct. you would be its god, and then you would die, and it would be in a universe without a god. that is a hard, cold place indeed

>> No.2333146

>>2333144

You completely ignored the main point because you cannot come up with a logical, reasonable response.

>> No.2333147

>>2333136

Its reasons like this that religion is opposed to socialism on a basic level.

If you get rid of heirarchy and exploitation, you must also get rid of churches and gods, for an egalitarian and comradely society

>> No.2333152

>>2333144

"cold hard place indeed"

>implying the universe isn't awe inspiring in its epicness

>implying we can't overcome the tyranny of nature.

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2333153

Hey Christfag, I have a question. No circular arguments whatsoever.
If god knows the future, it's means that the future is determined. If the future is determined, it's means that we don't have any control over our future actions and behaviour. Then why are we judged by our actions ?

>> No.2333154

>implying hades is dark energy

>> No.2333157

>>2333146
that you would treat your creation better than God treated you?

Really?

Would you be tortured to death for your creation, in the hopes that your creation would believe in your sacrifice, and be redeemed?

Would you die for your robot?

>> No.2333160

>>2333113
Agnostics can still have beliefs without claiming to have true knowledge of the something that is unknowable. Almost all agnostics take part in discussions about theology for the simple fact of developing their own beliefs not to change others and have an argument. So to put my way of viewing the objective world in front of me as a trend and saying i am pretentious for not choosing a side of an argument so i can take part in a discussion is just small minded.

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2333165

>>2333160
>implying all atheist and theist claims they have the absolute knowledge.

>> No.2333166

>>2333157

Would I die for my robot? Perhaps. I cannot say.

However, I would most definitely not subject it to eternal torture under ANY circumstances. Nor would I pretend not to be there and demand it rely on faith through an inconsistent and ridiculous holy book. I would not demand that he believe the impossible without evidence.

>> No.2333170

>>2333166

Fucking win. +1 to you good sir.

>> No.2333171

>>2333160

Most atheists and agnostics are agnostic-atheists.

>> No.2333173

>>2333153
if you are being judged by God for your actions, you are on your way to Hell. you are at your trial for your life, and every thought, word and deed you did in life will testify against you. there is an entire set of books on your life, and those books will be opened, and you will be allowed to make your defense.

you must prove to a just and Holy God that you are perfect and holy yourself. one little sin, one little imperfection, and off you go to the slag heap.

insofar as being predetermined, preknowledge is not predetermination. say you roll a fair 6 sided dice to where you cannot see it, but God knows you rolled a 4.

as a matter of fact, God knew yesterday that you were going to roll a 4.

indeed, God knew before He created the earth that you were going to roll a 4.

did he force you to roll the 4? or did He just know from his vantage point outside of time that you were going to do so?

what you do matters; everything you do matters. just because God knows what you are going to do does not take away from you your right to act in the manner you see fit.

gtg, christfag out

>> No.2333175

>>2333165
If you don't claim that you know god exists or doesn't exists means you are an agnostic.

>> No.2333178

>>2333173

This is what christfags actually believe.
God also knew that you would consider and carry out the action of rolling. You are trying to argue the same point that has already been refuted.

>> No.2333182

>>2333166

Samefag here.

There is a brilliant essay called "the tale of twelve officers" which demonstrates the immorality of the christian god by having human characters instead of divine ones use its excuses.

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/mark_vuletic/five.html

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>>2333173
>I'm talking about freewill
>You're talking about physical causality
>You didn't even answer the question

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>>2333175
And that's why it's always paired up Atheism or Theism.

(A)Gnosticism is a question of percieved knowledge in regards to the subject, (A)Theism of belief of the personal belief in it.

Agnostic Atheist due to lack of evidence thusly not making belief seem reasonable, Gnostic Theist from the belief that considering the properties of reality there must be a deity, etc etc.

If you think Agnosticism is some kind of third stance perfectly seperated and wholely "above" the others, you've already lost the game, and hard.

>> No.2333192

>>2333175
No, it makes me an agnostic-atheist.
And I'm pretty sure you are one too.

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>>2333190
agnostics=2
atheists=0
theists=0

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>>2333203
Looks like you're not even try to make a good troll.

>> No.2333207

>>2333203

Cool trolling, bro.

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>> No.2333231

>>2333192
actually i lean more to agnostic theist. But being in the agnostic group is still common ground.

>> No.2333282

I told God he's a fucking faggot and to come down and kick my ass. I then told him his son was a pansy limp wristed faggot and the holy spirit is probably sucking him off and fingering his palm holes

Accoridng to some stupid book it means I'm going to hell. Umad, athiests?

>> No.2333366

>>2333282
Aren't you the same guy who is damning himself so he won't chicken out at the end?