/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.2284910]

I've got a problem here /sci/

I was thinking the other day about the universe from its beginning to its end (or is cyclical process). Then I realized something. No matter what possibly occurs or will occur, there exists something in the observable universe that is eternal.

Eternal in the sense that it is fundamentally unchanged and exists forever.

So I thought about being able to explain the universe if nothing was eternal. I thought about the life of universe from beginning to end. After it ends, is it just over? Nothing? The nothing is forever? Unchanged? Eternal. It repeats in some cyclical pattern or any pattern at all? The pattern is eternal. It simply just is forever? Eternal.

The universe, nay more then that, can not be described without an eternal aspect, think about death and the various theories, theists, atheists. It's irrelevant, they all have to take up an eternal assumption.

My problem /sci/ is I feel like there is more to this but I just can't figure it out, I can't derive anything from it further.

[Anonymous No.2284934]

>>2284910
>there exists something in the observable universe that is eternal

Sounds like you're just making up bullshit kid. Please justify your shitty assumptions or GTFO!

[Anonymous No.2284940]

>>2284934
...Read the post? Think? Troll less?

[Anonymous No.2284974]

Son, you can smoke weed or you can do science. But you can't do both at the same time.

[Anonymous No.2284975]

If there was something in the universe that was eternal there would be an infinite amount of time before you were born and you would not exist.

[Anonymous No.2284980]

Well, the only thing that is certainly eternal is the afterlife......... which may be heaven, hell, that place where vikings fight forever or the big void of nothing (which isn't big or small, it's just nothing).

[Anonymous No.2285063]

OP, I came to the same conclusion, through the same reasoning. I then applied Occam's Razor which led me to believe in God.
What's that, logic and theism in the same sentence?
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[Anonymous No.2285096]

>>2284975
You're assuming time is the object that is eternal.

What if energy is eternal (i.e. in the most basic level it is fundamentally unchanged). It is infinite already.

>>2285063
None sense, just because something is invariably eternal does not mean that thing has to be God, same as the thing does not have to be time.

>>2284974
Son, you can give a counter argument or keep reverting to informal fallacies.

[Anonymous No.2285124]

sounds silly

[Anonymous No.2285158]

>>2285063
You realize that according to Occam's Razor, you go for the answer with the least complex assumptions...believing in any type of god requires there to be so many unexplainable, complex assumptions...I really don't care if you are theist or atheist or whatever, but I just wanted you to know that I'm pretty sure that's the idea behind Occam's Razor. I could be wrong though.

[Anonymous No.2285178]

>>2285158

When you have two theories with equal explanatory power you go for the more parsiminous one, ie the one with the least assumptions. Theists will say that god is a simpler reason and therefore a better theory, but this causes a problem with explanatory power.

However, saying 'god did it' is just replacing the unknown with another unknown, because no mechanism is proposed for god to work. Furthermore, any god hypothesis is unfalsifiable; if they can hypothetically do anything, nothing can be ruled out.

So while such ideas cannot be 'proven wrong', they are useless intellectually.

[MrAdmirabilis No.2285696]

Nice Godflesh I have to admit
to me it seemes that your philosofical way of thinking got to another level cause of combining a psychic experince with an phisical experienc

the next time you fell like this (trip) try thinking that there is a way of understanding everythink that matters to you

[Anonymous No.2286076]

If the universe is truly cyclical, only energy can be a constant. If there are traces of energy signatures within the cmbr visible in the red rings in the picture, they are in fact left overs from the previous universe. Which brings up an interesting point, why is it that only the energies that leave that mark show back up in the reemergence of a universe? I propose we find out what it is so we can use it to power our space heaters.

[Anonymous No.2286079]

>>2286076

forgot picha