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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwyjsJJrr2I&feature=player_embedded

so now that global warming has been debunked, what will /sci/ say is the "scientific consensus" that gets disproven next?

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2280840

>Faux

nope.

>> No.2280847

Work on your trolling some more. It's not very good.

>> No.2280849

>>2280847
wheres the troll? is the scientist in the video debunking global warming a secret troll that every news station doesnt know about?

>> No.2280856

>foxnews

All the snow we got here (several feet) has melted completely, so this is both a cold and warm winter so far.

Also who the FUCK gives an affirmation for an analysis about a season when the season hasn't finished yet?

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ffs. 4chan is supposed to be the main website for trolling (my initial reason for coming here), but i swear the quality of the trolling on this site actually manages to be worse than than seen on most proper forums.

Even yahoo answers has better trolling than this shit. Put some effort in.

>> No.2280874

>>2280856

Especially since we're only about ten days into that season.

>> No.2280875

>>2280856
his organization is the only one that has predicted climate accurately and the "scientific consensus" laughed at him when he made his predictions. he debunks global warming with said accurate model and data. whats not to understand?

how long will the teenagers on /sci/ stay brainwashed?

>> No.2280878

>>2280849
For every scientist that says global warming (or even "climate change") is a hoax, you can find at least one who says the opposite.

>> No.2280879

>global cooling
No one will believe this man since everyone thinks Global warming is the only problem yet everyone fails to realize the outcome of the so called global warming is indeed a ice age

>> No.2280880

>>2280869
>>2280840
>>2280847

>baww a scientist debunked my global warming religion time to acccuse people of trolling so we dont have to discuss the facts

>> No.2280887

>>2280869
>supposed to be the main website for trolling
Where did you get that from? Maybe it was a statement of quantity rather than quality, and then it would be correct I guess.

>> No.2280893

>>2280880
Just give up OP. It's new years day, and we all know you're about sixteen years old. Go spend some time with your family or something.

>> No.2280900

>>2280893
>implying it isnt teenagers who believe in MTV science like 'global warming capitalism sux and all races are equal and gays r cool'

>> No.2280918

>>2280875
We've yet to see if they've predicted anything accurately since the event they're predicting hasn't played out yet.

It's like declaring your team won right after kick-off.

>> No.2280925

what the fuck is "liberal"?

>> No.2280928

>>2280918
they predicted all he blizzards weve seen so far as well as the "warming"

the difference is they dont claim its unnatural and that it will have a different outcome

>> No.2280932

>>2280925
liberals are those people who believe in nonsense like gays are normal, blacks are intelligent, capitalism sucks, or anything else that will give the government the control to make everything "equal" they believe a utopia is possible

>> No.2280941

>>2280932

The opposite of this would be the belief that blacks are inferior, gays shouldn't have rights, anything other than total capitalism is Communism, etc.

Basically the Nazi political platform down to the smallest detail.

>> No.2280949

OP, take this test.

http://www.anesi.com/fscale.htm

>> No.2280957
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>>2280824

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwyjsJJrr2I&feature=player_embedded

>historically temperature has driven CO2 release, not the other way around- Which is somehow evidence that the massive increase in CO2 we are seeing can't have any effect! Hurr durr.

>Derpidy derp, success predicting weather based on solar activity with a system calibrated to modern CO2 levels means that massive long term CO2 release won't have any effect on long term climate.

I'm not saying i believe global warming is definitely real, but we might not know for 100% for another 70 years. Only a total idiot would take that chance.

Btw, carbon credits and carbon taxes are nothing more than moneymaking scams.

>> No.2280958

>>2280941
>gays shouldnt have rights

hurp durp, when liberals use the word "right" they really mean special benefits and protections. like how a fag can sue you for a "hate crime" but no one else can. think about it, is this a right or a benefit?

>> No.2280963

>>2280957
>only a total idiot wouldnt collapse the whole worlds economies to make stuff GREEN so GE and Obama and Al Gore can get rich

DERPPPPPPPPP

>> No.2280981

>>2280958

>>hurp durp, when liberals use the word "right" they really mean special benefits and protections.

Marriage is not a 'special benefit', you backwards fascist scum.

>> No.2280989

>>2280963

[This is what Conservatives actually believe.jpg]

The same technologies needed to combat global warming are also needed to continue living comfortably in a post-oil world, numbnut. Why don't you want that?

>> No.2280990

>>2280981
yes it is, its a benefit given to heterosexuals for the purpose of encouraging procreation, which is the foundation for economic growth. unfortunately its not working well enough and the only people breeding are useless unwed niggers

>> No.2280999

>>2280989
>herp derp if we dont collapse the worlds economies and make everyone equal (by giving money to third world shit holes with AIDS) then no one will invent better more efficient cost effective technology to replace oil

this completely illogical idea is what liberals actually believe

>> No.2281026

>>2280925

Imo a liberal is someone who believes every citizen deserves:

a) equal treatment in the eyes of the law
b) an equal shot at life
c) more freedom to live their lives however they want

>> No.2281038

>>2280963
Economy won't collapse from the green movement, it just restructures. Big oil will just go buy out some nuke reactors or something and we'll be paying $3 per kw/hour by 2020.

>> No.2281042

>>2280824
fox news much?

>> No.2281043

>>2280981
Marriage should be banned outright, such an outdated tradition has no point in this day and age.

>> No.2281049

>>2281026
Imo a liberal means all those things, but with a fucking retarded redefinition of "equal" that includes preferential treatment for certain groups.

>> No.2281051

>>2281026
why do liberals pretend that they believe in freedom? lets look at some legislation liberals have tried to pass this year alone:

banning salt
banning sugar
banning soda in schools
banning video games

and the list goes on. who do you all think youre fooling?

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>>2280932

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/02/100224132655.htm

U MAD?

>> No.2281065

>>2281038
listen fag, stop trying to socially engineer. no one gives a fuck about your green mother earth religion. if you think its so great go start your own green company and everyone will support you right? get the fuck out of everyones lives you communist

>> No.2281074

>>2281062
>he doesnt know they defined "liberal" as "someone who cares about others"

just more leftist professor propaganda

>> No.2281090

>>2281051

they're not liberals.
they're idiot authoritarian hipsters who happen to have grown up in a more left-wing area.

>> No.2281095

>>2281038
how 'bout that star they built in california, its supposed to be fully operational in 2020 and will be able to produce 300 gallons of petrol worth of energy from 50 cups of sea water

>> No.2281097

ITT: People don't understand the concept of 'liberal'.

>> No.2281101

>>2281097
>>2281090
itt faggot leftists who worship mother earth want to pretend they disagree with modern liberals and instead agree with classical liberals (libertarians)

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>>2281065
>socially engineer

>I'm talking about the economics of the green movement.

Keep on trying bro.

>> No.2281117

>>2281074

If you cared about other people and were in any way intelligent then my earlier post on how i define liberal would describe your political views.

From my experience any non-idiot who believes that capitalism is more desirable than a mixed economy tends to have a very selfish un-empathetic worldview.

>> No.2281121

>This thread

Sure is samefag in here. Global warming is directly observable (See melting ancient glaciers). It is no longer subject to debate save for the tinfoilers. What IS subject to debate is whether or not the global warming is caused by man given the difficulty of determining a direct cause for this phenomenon. If you start there, you might be credible.

Until then, you would look absolutely lovely in a tinfoil suit.

>> No.2281133

>>2281101

I am neither a leftist (not by european standards) nor do i worship mother earth (nature is a cruel bitch).

But i do believe in sustainable living. How could anyone not?

ITT: person who decides bases their political beliefs purely on opposing everything associate with "the liberal left"

>> No.2281159

>>2281121
>hey guyz take my word for it over the word of a scientist who has been accurate in his predictions

sure is hypocritical atheists in here. dont you all bash people for thinking they know more than scientists on here?

>> No.2281163

>>2281159

>>sure is hypocritical atheists in here. dont you all bash people for thinking they know more than scientists on here?

"Look guys I found one scientist who agrees with me!"

Answers in Genesis has a list of over 200 scientists who deny evolution. That doesn't mean evolution has been debunked.

>> No.2281164

>>2281133
you believe in sustainable living yet you liberal fags want to tax the shit out of every civilized country to send it to africa so they can keep having hungry parasitic niglets that contribute nothing to civilization except for breeding even more hungry parasitic niglets

>> No.2281168

>>2281164

You deny that you're racist when it comes up in political discussions yet when anonymous on the internet, you say shit like this.

>> No.2281173

>>2281168
what? im pretty outspoken about my racism because it is backed by scientific evidence. also nice red herring

>> No.2281188

>>2281173

That same evidence places ashkenazi jews and east asians above caucasians in terms of intellect.

>> No.2281189

>>2281168
so are you going to explain how exactly you believe in "sustainable living" when you want everyone to send their money to africa so parasitic niggers can keep breeding?

>> No.2281199

>>2281159
>doesn't understand the word scientist
>assumes predictions of incomplete events are accurate

>> No.2281205

>>2281189
Sending money anywhere is always a bad idea, the nutritional value of money is next to nothing.

>> No.2281219

>>2281205
so you would rather send food to niggers and this shows you believe in sustainable living how? keep dodging faggot

>> No.2281220

>>2281173

The fact that racial differences exist is not an excuse for racial hatred, which you seem to be arguing for in this post;

>>2281164

btw, if you knew anything about demographics you'd know that keeping a population poor and uneducated will keep it's population growth rates unsustainably high.

>> No.2281223

>>2281220
>not giving people free stuff = racism and hate and bigotry and homophobia

this is what liberal retards actually believe

>> No.2281229

>>2281188

It's pretty obvious that Ashkenazi Jews have higher average intelligence than other ethnic groups. In most countries, the proportion of top scientists, non-performance artists and businessmen who are Jewish is about 20 times what you'd expect from their population size, even when they are persecuted.

It's a bit more complicated with East Asians because their IQ scores and success in school isn't reflected in their real life achievements or in their success at doing high-level research (compare the number of Jewish Nobel prize winners to the number of Asians). This might be because Jews get their advantage from the verbal part of the test and Asians get their advantage from the performance part (which might contribute to ability to learn things by rote and do high-school level mathematics).

>> No.2281230

>>2281189

I don't believe africans are parasites. They are valid human beings deserving of the same rights as anyone else.

Some of us give because we want to offer relief from suffering. The state gives largely for political purposes, as charitable acts serve as good PR and bargaining chips with other nations.

There are some who are so socially rejected and bitter that they've only managed to salvage their self esteem by imagining themselves superior (by birthright) to a people they will never meet, and channeling their frustration with their own shortcomings and past failures into hatred even for children rather than experience it appropriately as shame.

>> No.2281231

>>2281189
You know the most prominent conservative politicians usually pretend to be humanitarian too, right (durr hurr it is our duty to spread democracy to Iraq that whole Guatemala thing never happened)?

>> No.2281233

>>2281219
I'd rather send tractors and seed to niggers and tell them to grow it themselves or starve.

>> No.2281236

>>2281223

You're aware that liberals are more intelligent on average than conservatives, right?

Most conservatives believe the Earth is 6,000 years old and that evolution is a hoax.

>> No.2281237

>>2281121

You're right, it is directly observable. Here are some observations for you.

Kilimanjaro's monthly mean temperatures hover slightly around -7.1C and never rise above freezing. Gore lied to you about that.

The Greenland icesheet is growing at 5cm per year according to satellite data.

Over the past 30 years there has been virtually no change in the level of sea ice, according to satellite data.

Antarctica has been growing for the past 30 years.

All facts. Read a book.

>> No.2281238

>>2281233
this has been tried, they cannot do it, they cannot function. so the liberals best bet is to just call everyone a racist and to call niggers victims and you work like a slave to sustain them. this is all they have left.

>> No.2281239

>>2281236
youre aware that tea partiers are more educated than the average american right?

>> No.2281243

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'll~go~away.}[/spoiler]

You're acting like a bunch of fucking 10 year olds.

>> No.2281250

>>2281243
Get the fuck out, we are having a nice discussion. You morons who cry about saging any thread you disagree with are more annoying than the trolls themselves.

>> No.2281251

>>2281238

>>so the liberals best bet is to just call everyone a racist

But you are. See: >>2281173

>>and you work like a slave to sustain them

A penny out of your paycheck to support someone who is on the whole much more pleasant to be around than you is hardly slavery.

>> No.2281253

>>2281219

Africa has lots of problems. Aside from the fact that they are right down at the very bottom of the global dominance hierarchy, tribalism (like racism but with tribes) and a culture of selfishness, casual sex/ polygamy and the lack of a philosophy based on the golden rule are all huge obstacles to overcome (and the cultural values the west exports to africa through movies/music etc. don't help things at all).

But i suppose you'd rather condemn a billion people to a life of suffering? Bask in your smug aassumption that africa is doomed to forever remain the shithole it is today without even looking at any evidence.

Yet somehow you care about others. amirite?

Lrn to over-ride your genetically preprogrammed emotions with reason ;).

>> No.2281255

>>2281239

>>youre aware that tea partiers are more educated than the average american right?

I'm aware about half are wealthy libertatians who test well, that libertarians are by and large atheists (as Ayn Rand was) and that the remainder of the tea party is inbred GOP dumbshits.

>> No.2281257

>>2281251
thats like your opinion man

if you like them so much give them your paycheck, no one is stopping you. but dont force me to give them mine. thats slavery.

>> No.2281260

>>2281250
Calling this a nice discussion is like calling the holocaust a fun camping trip. You are the reason this board is shit.

>> No.2281262

Does anyone know of a good, objective and trustworthy website with world temperature data over the last hundred years? I've looked around a bit, but couldn't really find any I could use to base my opinion on.

>> No.2281264

>>2281253
another strawman huh? why cant you just explain how giving food or money to blacks, who cant do anything except breed more babies who will require more food and money, is believing in sustainable living? im still waiting...

>> No.2281266

>>2281262
http://www.ipcc-data.org/

>> No.2281268

>>2281257

>>if you like them so much give them your paycheck, no one is stopping you. but dont force me to give them mine. thats slavery.

No. I will take from your paycheck to support them. And you can't stop me.

You're bigoted, hateful human garbage. I'd take more from you if I could. You don't deserve comfort or food, or health. The greatest generation killed innumerable racist shits like you in hopes of building a better world. Evidently they missed one and I have no qualms about making your life as miserable as possible on their behalf.

>> No.2281269

>>2281253

>a culture of selfishness, and the lack of a philosophy based on the golden rule

strange, that seems to be what the OP is arguing for

>> No.2281272

>>2281268
You sound upset. Don't you think it might be better to leave the troll the fuck (forever) alone? Take a break. Have a sandwich. Smoke a cigarette. Anything is better than to raise your blood pressure over this nonsense.

>> No.2281274

>>2281268
UMAD

But seriously what a hypocrite, acting superior because of his religion but missing the parts from EVERY major religious text that calls followers to help others in need.

>> No.2281277

>>2281268
they fought for freedom, not for communism which is what you endorse

>> No.2281288

>>2281277

They fought for freedom from a murderous racist regime. The sort you'd install if given the power to do so.

I am not a Communist and have the same disdain for them that you do. I do not advocate an economic and political system wherein all earnings are pooled and evenly redistributed, with government ownership of all industrial machinery, farms and so on.

I advocate screwing racists as hard as possible because they're the lowest scum imaginable.

>> No.2281293

>>2281288
actually you are a communist. you said taking money that i worked hard for is justified and you would take more if you could. still waiting for you to explain how taking away money from hard working people to give it to blacks so they can have more babies which will require more food and money to live, repeating perpetually, is "sustainable living"

>> No.2281298

>>2281288
You mean the National SOCIALISTS? That is, the same socialism you are in favor of in your previous post?

>> No.2281308

mods

>> No.2281310

>>2281293

>>actually you are a communist.

I already said I'm not. Get the cocks out of your ears.

>>you said taking money that i worked hard for is justified and you would take more if you could.

That is not Communism. This is Communism: "an economic and political system wherein all earnings are pooled and evenly redistributed, with government ownership of all industrial machinery, farms, etc."

No aspect of what I'm supporting involves equal redistribution of your money, or government ownership of factories and farms.

>>still waiting for you to explain how taking away money from hard working people to give it to blacks so they can have more babies which will require more food and money to live, repeating perpetually, is "sustainable living"

I never said it was and don't understand where you're getting that from. Sustainable living is making wise use of natural resources in order to avoid what economists refer to as the tragedy of the commons; the complete depletion of an otherwise resource by multiple parties even though all realize it is not in their best interest to do so.

You seem to be taking random phrases you associate with liberalism and jamming them together to pose what you think is a particularly damning question because you can't understand what liberals actually support, being that you're considerably less intelligent.

>> No.2281315

>>2281298

>>You mean the National SOCIALISTS? That is, the same socialism you are in favor of in your previous post?

No, not the same socialism. I am not a socialist, and nor were the national socialists.

This may be hard for you to understand but sometimes political parties are deceptively named, like the Democratic Peoples' Republic of North Korea. It is not democratic, for the people, or a republic. Just as the Nazis were not socialists.

>> No.2281329

>>2281229

Imo, people who are both intelligent and open-minded are strongly selected against. Particularly in pre-civilised times.

People who are both highy intelligent AND highly open-minded will "over-think" "over-worry" and in general not have the same reproductive success as a less intelligent but open-minded person or a more intelligent but closed-mided person.

Jews get to be an exception because they occupied a niche in the population where a combination of both was favoured moreso than it would have been i an ethnic population that didn't ocupy a certain niche in a larger society.

So africans tend to be more creative, asians tend to be more intelligent, caucasias are a mixed bag (which means intelligent and open-minded people do crop up at a low but sustainable level) but only jews (and possibly some castes in india) can have increased levels of both population-wide level.

>> No.2281330

>>2280824

>>so now that global warming has been debunked

hahahahahahhaahahaahahahaahahahahaha

you've got to quit listening to beck, palin, and limbaugh.

really.

there is no doubt that global warming is occuring, whether man made or natural. The story now is "what the fuck can we do about it?".

oh, and hiding your head in the sand... priceless!

>> No.2281367

>>2281329
>africans tend to be more creative

oh wow, liberals are really starting to scare me with how delusional they are

>> No.2281383

>>2281367

>>oh wow, liberals are really starting to scare me with how delusional they are

Says the conservative who denies evolution and thinks the Earth is 6,000 years old

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>>2280878
>>every one
hurp
97% of climate scientists agree that it is not a hoax. scientists have been wrong before, but we're hardly feeling around in the dark here, global warming is real, its anthropic, why is it so hard for you retards to swallow, you laugh off the fact that humans are a fucking extinction event, yet here we are and you're still to buttmad to believe global warming.

If you want to learn some REAL science on global warming from an unbiased source, heres good ol potholer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52KLGqDSAjo
this series will convince basically anyone who isn't a creationist-like retard swallowing up all the glenn beck conservative media shit storm.

what kind of country does it take to be based on freedom and equality when half the country slanders the word liberalism. I hope my country collapses next week.

>> No.2281402

>>2281330
>>2281330
how about just listening to the scientist in OPs video?

>> No.2281411

mods

>> No.2281412

>>2281391
97% of climate scientists haven't made accurate predictions like the man in the video and only receive funding from the government if they find evidence for global warming propaganda.

>> No.2281415

>>2281402
see this video series
>>2281402
You need to learn what a source is and why everyone is laughing their asses off at your stupidity.

>> No.2281418

>>2281415
Everyone including the "scientific consensus" you worship was laughing at him too when he made his predictions but they turned out to be right. So who had the last laugh? Global warming is a fraud.

>> No.2281419

>>2281412
>>2281391
>>97% of climate scientists haven't made accurate predictions like the man in the video and only receive funding from the government if they find evidence for anti perpetual motion propaganda.
lol faux news.
again, watch the fucking videos dumbass

>> No.2281421

>>2281419
butthurt green fag detected

>> No.2281427

>>2281421

actually, no.

completely correct about fox 'speculation' as fox rarely bothers with nonesense like fact.

>> No.2281457

>>2281427
i find it amazing how the atheists on here always rant and rave about "trusting scientists" but when it goes against their agenda suddenly its "fox news propaganda" or whatever

you all should really feel bad about yourselves

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>>2281457
>>hurr lets shoe horn religion into this shitstorm
are you really this desperate for attention?
I shouldn't have to tell anyone why journalist media is not a source for science.

>> No.2281484

>>2281457

>>but when it goes against their agenda suddenly its "fox news propaganda" or whatever

DId you watch your own video? It's literally on the Fox News channel. Recently it came out that Fox News' parent corporation has been instructing reporters to deliberately sow controversy around global warming:

http://www.technewsworld.com/rsstory/71473.html

If you're a self respecting person who considers themselves even slightly honest and reasonable you must admit that Fox is not a credible source, that they are known liars advancing a conservative agenda.

>> No.2281502

>>2281484
>>2281475
nice fallacies boys, debate the scientist not the network he speaks on. thanks

>> No.2281517

>>2281457

>>i find it amazing how the atheists on here always rant and rave about "trusting scientists" but when it goes against their agenda suddenly its "fox news propaganda" or whatever

that doesn't even make sense. way to go!

athiests <> scientists, or do you not get that? which leads me to my understanding that you are not only a troll, but a stupid one at that.

>> No.2281526

>>2281502
it's not a fallacy, if he wants to contend against global warming he can publish a scientific study like everyone else and we'd be happy to look over it.
if you watched my videos you'd understand this.

>> No.2281531

>>2281457

I find it amazing how anyone can have such poor grammar and keep a straight face about it. This is completely unrelated to the content of your post before you dump your panties over taking sides.

>> No.2281549

>>2281484

>>Recently it came out that Fox News' parent corporation has been instructing reporters to deliberately sow controversy around global warming...

heck yeah! because controversy empowers the imbecile majority of this planet because if the 'intelligent' people don't hhave the answer then surely it's okay for the stupid people not to know either.

you keep assuming that more than half the earth's population is educated and using only "true information sources" to make decisions with.

bad assumption.

as has been the case with our species all the way through time, there are a lot of stupid people out there blocking the way to racial advancement through stupidly arguing about "what does 'the' mean".

it could be perpetual.

>> No.2281572

>Global warming thread
>Open video in OPs post
>See "meteorologist" in title
>Close video

Meteorology has nothing to do with global warming.
Meteorologists making any statement about global warming are bullshitters, whether they believe it exists or not.

>> No.2281640

>>2281572

>Won't allow himself to see opposing evidence or listen to opposing views
>Insults people who disagree with him

Totally not a religion. amirite?

>Idiot on 4chan thinks he knows more about climate related science than professionals in the field.

No. You're a fucking idiot. Shut up.

I don't think I know more but I do know enough to tell who is sucking the money dick providing them with research grants.

IMPORTANT POINT HERE, LIBERTARDS (and no I'm not a conservatard either)

In roughly the past 20 years Exxon has put up over 20 million dollars toward climate research. Over the same period, the US government alone put up over 80 billion. That's a 3000 fold difference.

What do you think is more likely; that private industry is funding the destruction of the entire planet upon which they live and operate or that governments see an opportunity to extend their power to include the very air your breathe and that people like Al Gore and Rajendra Pachauri see an opportunity to make millions and millions of dollars (Protip: they've already both made millions)

Figure it out.

>> No.2281656

>>2281640
But... but... THE OIL COMPANIES NEED TO MAKE MONEY, TOO

>> No.2281672

>>2281640
>>Hurr Hey i know, I have no position, so lets lie and shoe horn in a political discussion.
watch
the
fucking
video series.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52KLGqDSAjo
I am done entertaining you. we can discuss this like human beings when you stop trying to kick up irrelevant conspiracy theorist bullshit, watch the videos, and learn why it is that most of /sci/ is giving you and OP the finger.

and yeah while conservatives are retarded, it's not the only way to be an authoritarian dick muncher. Thank god conservatism distracts most of the fascists from forming a real party against Liberalist policies.

>> No.2281699

>>2281640
>implying I don't have a BSc in geology and am not currently going for an MGeol

I'm much more qualified to talk about global warming than meteorologists.

>> No.2281983

>>2281672

>most of /sci/ is giving you and OP the finger.

This thread says otherwise. Doesn't matter anyway, /sci/ is all high schoolers and biblefags.

I didn't mention anything about a formal conspiracy, only that political opportunities have been seen.

I watched the video series. It is the result of a simple analysis of the science. The same simple analysis that leads climatologists to claim cloud cover is a positive feedback system just because they observe less cloud cover when temperatures are higher. (Protip: It's a negative feedback loop)

I don't have any more time for people who look back at the 500 million year geologic time frame, see that CO2 has never driven temperature and then turn around and claim that a tiny amount is driving it now (0.038% of the atmosphere is CO2, 95% of that is naturally occuring)

I won't say I'm done with you after one response, like you did, because I don't run away from opposing views.

>> No.2282005

>>2281699

If you were a scientist you'd know how stupid you sound. You didn't expressly say only geologists can talk about global warming but the implication is there. If a meteorologist is utterly incompetent, with respect to the issue, then surely by your standards so is a biologist.

You haven't monopolized knowledge in this field.

>> No.2282037

>>2281983

>I don't have any more time for people who look back at the 500 million year geologic time frame, see that CO2 has never driven temperature and then turn around and claim that a tiny amount is driving it now (0.038% of the atmosphere is CO2, 95% of that is naturally occuring)

It's like science denialists are all really some kind of amnesiac that spouts the same lies over and over again

>500 million year geologic time frame

There's kind of a tiny little difference between the Earth 500 million years ago and the Earth today. Human beings would probably die if sent back to the Earth 500 million years ago. Lrn2have some fucking perspective

>CO2 has never driven temperature

>implying that changes in CO2 cannot cause changes in temperature

This has been verified in laboratory experiments over the past 200 years. Why hasn't CO2 "driven" temperatures in the past? Because there weren't any fucking cars and power plants to release any of that shit. CO2 outgassing occurred when minor changes in temperature, caused by Milankovitch Cycles and other forcings, when then increases the temperature in turn. This is known as a positive feedback.

>0.038% of the atmosphere is CO2

If the atmosphere was 0.038% was VX gas, I suppose it would be safe for us to breathe. You know, since it's such a small number and all.

Seriously though oxygen and nitrogen are nearly transparent to longwave radiation. Lrn2 greenhouse gases

>> No.2282038

>>2281656

Both sides are making money. You're buying ones shit and foot soldiering for the other.

Is there anyone here, who honestly believes this fucking nonsense, that has actually done everything they can about it? Do you still use electricity? Because if you live in the US most of it comes from coal. Do you use locomotive transportation? Because cars, buses, trains and planes burn fossil fuels. how do you heat your house? Better be doing it with geothermal energy. Still eat meat? Better cut that out.

Fact is, nobody out there really gives a fuck. So long as the "evil corporate, capitalist criminals" are made to pay and the green energy burden is shouldered by impoverished africans so they can still go home and watch American Idol and nothing changes for them, they'll be happy.

>> No.2282076

>>2282038

>Do you still use electricity? Because if you live in the US most of it comes from coal. Do you use locomotive transportation? Because cars, buses, trains and planes burn fossil fuels. how do you heat your house? Better be doing it with geothermal energy. Still eat meat? Better cut that out.

>It is now 1941

Looks like Japan and Germany have declared war on us. But do you honestly understand how many Americans will DIE if we go to war? How much money we'll have to spend? Fuck, we'll be expending several percentage points of GDP on that bullshit! And what's the likelihood of a Japanese or German invasion anyway? We'll have to transform our entire economy just to fight this war!

TRANSFORM

OUR

ECONOMY

Utter claptrap.

>> No.2282094

>>2282037

0.038%, 95% naturally occuring is not a lie, it's a fact. Look it up.

It's fucking HILARIOUS that you tell me to have perspective when looking at the past 10 years for evidence of anything is exactly what you don't get. Lrn2 not humiliate yourself.

There weren't any cars, trains, etc to release gas 500 million years ago, that's right. I wonder how, 450 million years ago, CO2 levels were ten times higher than today... Could it be because natural sources are larger suppliers of CO2 than all of the pittling little shit we refer to as industry? Turns out, yes. Oh, did I mention that when CO2 levels were 10 times higher the Earth was in the middle of the coldest period it had seen in the past half BILLION years? How can such a powerful climate forcing be so ineffectual...

You're not seriously comparing CO2 to nerve gas, are you? That's not even good enough to be called a strawman. One is a precious, rare, life-giving gas and the other is a deadly toxin. Lrn2 stop when you're only slightly behind.

>> No.2282098

>>2282038

>implying the fossil fuel industry is not orders of magnitude larger than green industries

>implying "impoverished Africans" are not the most hurt by global warming

>implying you give a shit about sub-Saharan Africans to begin with

>implying you did not reveal a stunningly proud ignorance on the subject matter while using Africans as a canard to feel superior to those stupid hypocrites

>implying any of the plans to transition to a renewable energy economy involve banning people from driving or eating meat

>implying that peak oil will not make such a transition necessary regardless of global warming

Implying lots of implications there buddy

>> No.2282108

>>2282038

>>Is there anyone here, who honestly believes this fucking nonsense, that has actually done everything they can about it?

No, because as you go on to demonstrate, doing *everything* we can about it is impractical.

However, many of us have made small practical changes to help out, recognizing that just because no solution is 100% perfect doesn't mean it's not worth striving for gradual improvement.

>> No.2282117

>>2282076

Transforming the economy is usually good. That's what you learn when you start studying history. Maybe when you get to high school...

The economy has always been transforming, it's just better to let the free market decide where it goes. The government should provide the ethical constraints within which the market operates but it should never try to force change.

Oil will never run out. Sorry to break it to you, kids. The US just discovered 100 years worth of natural gas by probing into the ground more extensively. We'll continue to make such discoveries. However, it will become more expensive to harvest and produce and at a certain point the economy will reach a tipping point and we'll have a new energy source peak. Companies will produce new technologies and people will start to switch over because they'll be more financially viable.

Everyone calm the fuck down.

>> No.2282119

People are still debating whether global warming is real???

Yep, it's Christmas break alright.

>> No.2282140

>>2282098

I do care about them. Sadly I can't convey that to you, but it doesn't matter. What really matters is the sad irony of the fact that while self-centered "leaders" in the west are constantly repeating, over and over, that poorly developed nations are the hardest hit by global warming it is actually those nations that are the hrdest hit by global warming policy.

Demanding they use technologies that EVEN WE WONT USE due to ineffeciency condemns them to a continued third world existence that will then be virtually guaranteed not to change withing their lifetime. So what's your answer to that? Give them money? What, so that their leaders can spend it on themselves like they're already doing with their own country's money? Naive, idiots... Wake up.

>> No.2282166

>>2282108

As we've already demonstrated, a complete shutdown of all our global industry today would have virtually no effect on continued warming. The doomsday scenario levels of warmth would be reached anyway, so what's the point of what you're doing?

You should just study paleo-climatology and realize that it's been much hotter than even the most insane predictions flying around today and everything was fine. It was 6-8 degrees hotter 5000 years ago and the polar bears survived. What, you figure they evolved since then?

>> No.2282170

>>2282094

Sigh

So you've got an atmosphere. It is compose almost entirely of oxygen and nitrogen. These gases are nearly transparent to longwave radiation. They are not greenhouse gases. You agree with all this, yes?

In 1824, Joseph Fourier calculated the radiative forcing caused by the Sun and discovered a major discrepancy between the Earth's actual temperature and his Sun-only calculation. The Earth's real average surface temperature is about 15 C, but in Fourier's calculation, the Earth should be -18 C. What accounted for the 33 degree difference?

Fourier hypothesized the existence of a class of atmospheric gas that was transparent to incoming shortwave radiation from the Sun, but absorbed outgoing longwave radiation and re-emitted it in all directions as heat. These are what we now call "greenhouse gases."

So that CO2 is 0.038% of the entire Earth's atmosphere is irrelevant to it's influence on Earth's climate. The correct proportion we're dealing with is its percentage of <span class="math">greenhouse~gases[/spoiler]. What matters with CO2 is that it is a long-lived greenhouse gas, with a much longer residency time than water vapour, Water vapour cannot drive temperature changes on its own, since when it becomes saturated it rains or snows. Temperature decides how much water vapour the atmosphere can hold, not the other way around.

Also important is that CO2 is being constantly emitted, on top of existing carbon fluxes. Naturally, the carbon cycle is balanced. Imagine the Earth's atmosphere as a bathtub. The amount of water coming out of the spout is the same as the amount leaving the drain, so the water level is stable. Excess anthropogenic CO2 is like turning on a second tap. The water level in the bathtub will rise.

>> No.2282176

motherfucker, you trollin'.

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>> No.2282206

>>2282117

>Oil will never run out.

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Besides, the issue is not oil "running out." The problem is that demand for oil WILL exceed supply.

>>2282140

>Demanding they use technologies that EVEN WE WONT USE due to ineffeciency

You've been reading too much Lomborg. Who, by the way, plagiarized large parts of the Skeptical Environmentalist and fabricated data too.

So you've got a poor-ass sub-Saharan African village. It needs electricity. What do you do? Do you build a coal plant a few miles away? Well now I suppose you need to build some roads to get the coal to the plant. Maybe a port too since the coal will probably come from another continent. Then you have to build power lines from the coal plant to the village. And of course you'll need to hire technicians and engineers to build, run, and maintain this infrastructure.

How many years will this take? How many non-African specialists will have to be hired to work on this project? How much will it cost?

Doesn't it make a lot more sense to install a solar panel?

>> No.2282222

>>2282206

>Besides, the issue is not oil "running out." The problem is that demand for oil WILL exceed supply.

UGH That's what I JUST FUCKING SAID. CAN YOU READ?

>> No.2282233

>>2282170

>Water vapour cannot drive temperature changes on its own

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>>2282166

>It was 6-8 degrees hotter 5000 years

[citation needed]

More distressing than polar bears going extinct is probably the decline in plankton populations.

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v466/n7306/abs/nature09268.html

You should also be aware that current CO2 levels are the highest in perhaps the past 15 million years. The rate of CO2 increase is faster than at any point in the past 55 million years, when the PETM caused a minor mass extinction. It is possible that CO2 is increasing now faster than any point in Earth's history.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2mZyCblxS4
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/1178296
http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v3/n3/abs/ngeo755.html
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v427/n6970/abs/nature02121.html
http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/275/1630/47.full

>As we've already demonstrated, a complete shutdown of all our global industry

This has not been demonstrated. And nobody advocates for a "shutdown of all global industry," that is just a strawman.

And it will actually make a difference. Take a look at the wheel on your left. This kind of future practically guarantees a mass extinction. The wheel on the right represents a future in which the possibility still exists, but we've prevented the unimaginable worst-case scenario.

http://globalchange.mit.edu/resources/gamble/

That is not hyperbole. There has literally never been an episode of Earth's history where 7 degrees of warming occurred in the space of a hundred years, except maybe during major impact events. The consequences of 7 degrees of warmth by 2100 (9% chance with no mitigation policy) cannot be foreseen by models or by the paleoclimatic record, except that a mass extinction would be nearly certain.

>> No.2282286

>>2282222

This is what you said:

>"Oil will never run out."

I'm not sure you fully understand the consequences of increasingly expensive oil. It usually takes 25 years for a new technology to gain 1% market share in the energy sector. It will be decades before the infrastructure can be replaced, and in the meantime you're going to have to deal with a massive decline in standards of living.

>> No.2282296

>>2282233

Dude are you fucking serious

Think back to grade 8. What happens when water vapour concentration increases? Can it increase without limit? Or does it at some point change into a liquid or perhaps solid form, where it travels back towards the surface maybe?

>> No.2282326

liberals getting told hard ITT

>> No.2282336

/sci/ = /sigh/

Nothing funnier than seeing high school children armed only with the internet thinking they can topple scientific theories formulated by the brightest and most dedicated minds of humanity.

>> No.2282356

mods

>> No.2282376

>>2282356
Why do you fags keep typing 'mods' randomly on any thread you disagree with? Get a life.

>> No.2282389

>>2282336
I agree, it's amazing how the kiddies on here think they know more than that professor in the video who has dedicated his life to the issue. I'm glad we could both agree global warming is a hoax.

>> No.2282644

>>2282389

I think we have a problem here.

For people who are actually interested in learning about climate science, there's a number of (non-IPCC) sources that you can learn from.

The first thing you should read is Spencer Weart's book, <span class="math">The~Discovery~of~Global~Warming,[/spoiler] which is available online:

http://www.aip.org/history/climate/index.htm

Another great book to start off with is David Archer's <span class="math">Global~Warming:~Understanding~the~Forecast,[/spoiler] which I've made available for download:

http://www.mediafire.com/?a31tiy7cfy2sgde

It also comes with supplementary online computer models and video lectures:

http://geoflop.uchicago.edu/forecast/docs/index.html