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The next dominant intelligent species on this planet will be descended from the octopus. How do we leave them a message that will survive the nuclear apocalypse AND be discovered by their archaelogists (where might a squid-digger look?)? What would we want to pass on?

pic related... It's an octopus...

>> No.2279098

>>2279081
We don't. Communication is made of mutual understanding, and the psyche of the octopus is really fucking weird. Find someone on the octopus forums who owns one and go interact with an octopus. They are alien.

>> No.2279114

We've got loads of stuff in common with the octopus. And even more with 'intelligent octopus-man of the future'. We sent that voyager thing off to communicate with things we've got way less in common with.

>> No.2279135

>>2279114
Look up the projects to ward off people ten thousand years from now away from nuclear waste. We're dealing with beings much like us, with a similar mythos - and all that can be conveyed is crude symbolism.

>We've got loads of stuff in common with the octopus.
What makes you say this? Look at the behavioral studies. Your statement seems to be false, according to those experiments.

We'd have to do all that symbolizing underwater. To minds that apparently have no symbology in common with us. Minds that won't harness material-changing abilities for millenia and eons. Nope.

>> No.2279161

>>2279114
The Voyager Record and Pioneer Plaque were completely symbolic in nature. They were not a serious attempt at communication. At best, they would show that the craft was made my intelligent agents.

>> No.2279167

>The pupil of an octopus' eye is rectangular.
>An octopus has the largest food conversion rate for any invertebrate at 80%. For every pound of food it consumes, about half that is gained by the entity.
>When under stress, such as in captivity, some octopuses eat their own arms, which regenerate.
>The octopus' testicles are located in its head.
>the fuuuck

>Octopi have a large repertoire of clor changes, dots, blushes, and traveling bars that move across their surfaces; this ability in combination with the soft-bodied physique of the creature allows it to obscure and reveal its linguistic intent simply by rapidly folding and unfolding different parts of its body. The octopus does not transmit its linguistic intent, it becomes its linguistic intent. The mind and the body of the octopus are the same and are equally visible. This means that the octopus wears its language like a kind of second skin; it appears to be and becomes what it seeks to mean.

They probably think we're just as unable to intelligently communicate as we think they are. OP, some sort of colory dancey thing is your answer.

>> No.2279170

Ika Musume.

>> No.2279183

Leave shit on the fucking moon. A giant monument to mankind and our achievements.

>> No.2279184

>>2279167
That is awesome, thank you!

So we want some kind of robotic octopus in the shape of a warning against nuclear war, was it?

>> No.2279195

We need to develop a hyper-intelligent AI and then stick it with an octopus.

We'll see who figures out the other first.

>> No.2279206

their esophagus runs directly through the center of their brain...i'd say we ain't got much in common
Hell, we can barely communicate with chimps using their own language as it is

>> No.2279207

>>2279184
Wouldn't that just be destroyed in the nuclear war? Unless of course we combine your idea and >>2279183 and build it on the moon.

>> No.2279224

>>2279195
'hyper-intelligent AI' sounds like the kind of thing that we're leaving warnings about...

>> No.2279225

Um, Ia Cthulhu?

>> No.2279230

>>2279207
>build a robot octopus, then put it on the moon

>> No.2279231

>>2279206
I think after a certain level of intelligence is reached, the similarities don't have to be biological at all. With advancement in human education, we went from phrenology to anthropology, for instance. Then it becomes "Hey, I'm aware that I'm alive, are you aware that you're alive too?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5DyBkYKqnM - it's an octopus stealing some guy's camera and swimming off with it. The guy eventually gets the camera back. Octopus: 1

>> No.2279235

Animation. Any intelligent being can understand cause and effect. Any intelligent being should be able to discern whether something is dead or not given visual queues.

So a simple series of Cause>>effect cause>>effect should do, assuming they can see in the spectrum of the display device.

>> No.2279234

>>2279231
They're already reverse engineering our shit...

>> No.2279240

I think a fucking /nuclear war/ would be enough evidence unto itself. The evidence would persist in ice and rock for millions of years. It would look a lot like the KT event, only smaller and radioactive.

>> No.2279248

>>2279231
Here's one of an octopus forming a compound tool - he picks up and combines two objects to create one more useful whole.

These videos and others like them are responsible for my claim that they are the next dominant species on Earth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DoWdHOtlrk

>> No.2279253

If all humans and only humans were exterminated, chimps or gorillas would be next. A whole bunch of destruction needs to happen on land but not in the ocean for this to be plausible.

>> No.2279255

>>2279248
Not if we kill them all first. We've culled before. We can cull again.

>> No.2279257

>>2279231
My God...they're becoming self-aware.

>> No.2279258

>>2279248
Lookitim go! (0:54)

>> No.2279262

>>2279248
Yeah, they're like toddlers

>> No.2279266

>>2279253
But you assume they won't build some strange undersea empire.

>> No.2279275

>>2279231
I agree with the commenters. What a camwhore.

>> No.2279278

>>2279266
This is true. I'm imagining wars underwater between the cephalopods and the mammals. Dolphin guerilla squads. squid spy rings. It would be awesome.

>> No.2279279

>>2279253
are they widespread enough though?

>> No.2279284

>>2279278
I was imagining small octopi in biomechanical warsuits, but ok.

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>>2279278
The day they develop some crude gear for surviving in fresh water is the day I start stockpiling.

>> No.2279294

>>2279284
I don't think octopi would use suits like that. Their tentacles aren't as fitting to a suit as human arms and hands are. Too much freedom of movement, and they grip by suction.

>> No.2279300

>>2279294
Actually, what I had in mind was something like a meaty squid-mech.

>> No.2279299

>>2279248
But they can't change materials. They can't do shit to shape ore or make clay. I would like to see attempts at them chipping flint points...

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2279307

>>2279278

>>I'm imagining wars underwater between the cephalopods and the mammals. Dolphin guerilla squads. squid spy rings. It would be awesome.

For all we know, something similar is happening right now beneath the Europan ice.

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2279317

>>2279300

>>meaty squid-mech.

Like this?

>> No.2279319

>>2279317
Kinda, yeah.

>> No.2279324

>>2279317
shit man, we're screwed.

>> No.2279325

The octopus can disguise itself as any other animal - dolphins and chimps wouldn't stand a chance against these changeling death-lords.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8oQBYw6xxc

>> No.2279328

>>2279307
source?

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2279335

>>2279307

>> No.2279381

bump for epic thread

>> No.2279403

>>2279381
>bump for epic thread
AAAAaaaaand it's done.

>> No.2279404

How about we use a giant laser and carve the words "Screw you octopus bastards!" into the moon?

Or how about "Man woz ere"?

>> No.2279413

Could always send a giant nuke out into space to return in 200,000 years.

>> No.2279421

>>2279413
I think it would be good to combine this with the moon-message idea - send the nuke out, and use the moon to TELL THEM about it. That would be a kickass cool experiment, see how a civilisation develops with that kind of thing happening.

>> No.2279553

>>2279253
No, I'd say that ants would be the most dominant. As a group they can act intelligently and highly organized. There hives almost resemble buildings. There hunting parties resemble armies, and some species have methods of storage. They have a hierarchy too.
They seem, almost Utopian.
Not to mention that they will keep evolving.

>> No.2279606

Might as well claim that crows will be the next dominant intelligent species. They've demonstrated sophisticated problem solving skills, tool use, team work, long term memory, and they live damn near everywhere.

>> No.2279610

Water bear will dominate the earth after people.
MARK. MY. WORDS.

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2279612

>>2279606
They're also classy bastards.

>> No.2279651

i say we sent a rocket with a thousand nukes attached to it into a trajectory that sends it flying into space for millions of years eventually wrapping around another planet and back toward earth. And on that rocket we write "Fuck you Octopus you classy bastards, if we die by nukes so shall you. Your arguement is invalid because we are older than you"....by this time the octopus might have the same intelligence we do and may have learned our language by recovering some scripts or things we left behind....so they will understand it was us, if not, its just a bad day for them.

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2279660

>mfw it's squid that will be the next intelligent species, if we blow ourselves up

Which we won't kill ourselves, also octopuses are solitary squid are social they would be the ones to into technology.

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2279668

I fucking love cephalopods. So much. You don't even know.

>> No.2279726

Will the civilized super octopus make porn about being raped by the then extinct human school girls?

>> No.2279734

>>2279726
Needs to be rule 34'd ASAP.

>> No.2279736

>>2279726
YES

>> No.2279764

>>2279726
Well, if humans happen to be around we will most likely all be female and all have nano goo tentacles......

>> No.2279772

I would suggest a sort of Rosetta stone so that if they find more of our writing they can translate it. Since we don't know what their language might be like, it would have to consist of words with corresponding images.

>> No.2279792

>>2279772
Serious comment kills thread. I feel like there should be some sort of image to accompany such an occurrence.

>> No.2279812

The real test of whatever you guys come up with till not he the nuclear holocaust but rather the time after it will take the octopi to evolve and the fallout to dissipate.

>> No.2279862

>>2279812
That's why I like the moon idea someone mentioned. In any case, is there any way we humans can use our last few centuries or so jump starting octopuses' evolution? I remember something about their parents dying preventing the passing of information, although observational learning is possible in them, so maybe we could focus on a cure for that, and of course, invent massive octopus underwater shelters with self contained food sources and such for when the war happens. I don't think it would be as hard as a human shelter, but then I'm no underwater architect.