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respect obey Anonymous Mon Dec 27 01:32:14 2010 No.2259138 [Reply] [Original]

vid 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH13DY9HT1c

vid 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kI0-fVsgz0A&NR=1

discuss

>>	Samefag !SHjzCSZsqE Mon Dec 27 01:38:14 2010 No.2259159 File: 8 KB, 409x258, Rage_face2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This is the first time I have had an overriding urge upon being presented with a loli other than raep.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 01:38:14 2010 No.2259156 My rebuttal - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqcM5lVoteQ

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 01:39:14 2010 No.2259163 >Jesus has authority in your life when He's Lord of your life that's some quality Christian logic right there

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 01:40:14 2010 No.2259169 >>2259159 seconded

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 01:41:14 2010 No.2259171 I can't stop laughing. Poor kids are growing up in the wrong era. Try 200 years ago or more.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 01:42:14 2010 No.2259179 >>2259156 better rebuttal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZF3mYiX59H0&feature=player_embedded

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 01:42:14 2010 No.2259184 spread the word /sci/ It's a shame stuff like this still exists. poor kids. don't have a chance.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 01:42:14 2010 No.2259185 Why do these like this exist?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 01:43:14 2010 No.2259186 Sir, I must rebut. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1M8vei3L0L8

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 01:44:14 2010 No.2259190 >>2259185 Holy shit, what the fuck did I just type? I need some sleep. >Why do things like this exist?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 01:44:14 2010 No.2259196 I wonder what will happen if they ever come to the soul crushing realization of just how cruel, uncaring, and corrupt authority figures and organizations actually are.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 01:47:14 2010 No.2259206 AWWW SHIT http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTNv2dOBFJk

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 01:47:14 2010 No.2259207 >>2259196 OP here. Sir, you win for the rebuttal. Well done.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 01:53:14 2010 No.2259232 >>2259196 I've witnessed that crushing reality a lot in Africa.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 01:56:14 2010 No.2259239 File: 17 KB, 301x323, obama face.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2259232 lols you live in Africa? tell me your life story, now

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 01:56:14 2010 No.2259242 >>2259206 While I do believe that promoting basic civility is beneficial for society, rude language does have its fucking place.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 01:57:14 2010 No.2259249 this is the first thing i thought watching those videos

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 01:58:14 2010 No.2259251 >>2259249 woops this >>2259186

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 02:01:14 2010 No.2259261 File: 15 KB, 377x293, archie contempt confused reaction.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2259190 >>2259249 You should get some sleep. Big day tomorrow champ.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 02:05:14 2010 No.2259285 o-b-e-y r-e-s-p-e-c-t j-e-s-u-s !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 02:10:14 2010 No.2259303 Authority is only credibly when it is completely and truly accountable to the people it holds authority over. Christianity is the exact opposite, requiring completely blind and unquestioning obedience.

Anonymous Mon Dec 27 02:14:14 2010 No.2259311
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>>2259303

The pain point is that everyone should be skeptical of authority figures and leaders.

I think the biggest problem in our society is that we've romanticized the concept of authority/leadership. America in particular has this problem to a greater extent than all other developed nations combined, if you ask me.
The problem doesn't only lie in religion. It also lies in pop culture (people trying to act like bieber, miley cyrus, spears, etc) It can also be found in politics, business, economics, etc. Concept holds true in all aspects of society.

We need to get the word out that there's nothing special about leadership. They simply help collaborate human efforts and facilitate progress.

Much like the relationship between glial cells and neurons, "authority" figures are supporting roles. No more, no less. They shouldn't be thought of as better. If anything, they're far inferior, as they're incapable of solving problems themselves, thus driving them to a position where they have to coordinate problem solvers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 02:21:14 2010 No.2259331 >>2259311 OP here. great discussion. One of the few boards in 4chan that still has logic and intelligent

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 02:22:14 2010 No.2259335 >this video is strange >why are these kids doing this? >I guess it's not so ba-- >hear Jesus's name O.O Foooooooooooooooooxxxxxx!!!!!!

Anonymous Mon Dec 27 02:24:14 2010 No.2259343

>>2259311

Thinking too hard about this, bro. It's monkey-see-monkey-do. People naturally conserve brain power. Most people aren't brainiacs, so they would rather follow someone who says they know what they're doing. Gives them piece of mind too.
It's more of a sociological issue, really.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 02:32:14 2010 No.2259359 File: 624 KB, 800x600, 1048324-1290264751.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2259185 >Why do these like this exist?

Anonymous Mon Dec 27 02:32:14 2010 No.2259362

>>2259311
I think a major problem is that there is too much emphasis one winning and being the top dog at the expense of others not enough on working together in groups. I'm not saying that there shouldn't be leaders or that everything should be done by committee. It's just that if only one person or a small group of people have complete authority their views and actions are naturally going to be limited and more than likely self serving.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 02:35:14 2010 No.2259369 really? You have a problem with children singing about jesus but not about this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfhUvuSa61E

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 02:37:14 2010 No.2259381 >>2259369 But we love Jeeeeesus Chriiiiiiiist.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 02:38:14 2010 No.2259382 >>2259163 tautology

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 02:39:14 2010 No.2259386 >>2259369 I have a problem with it. Their music sucks.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 02:43:14 2010 No.2259399 File: 311 KB, 975x1400, 1290380746933.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2259311 Best post tonight.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 11:49:14 2010 No.2260904 >>2259369 they're not children. plus I have zero idea what that dude is saying

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 11:52:14 2010 No.2260913 >>2259138 I like how christians or religious people are all about accepting others, yet they turn the comments off, basically saying "if you don't agree with me I don't want to hear it." fags

Anonymous Mon Dec 27 12:01:14 2010 No.2260926

>>2259184
I used to be a fundamentalist, but I just... stopped. It's not impossible or anything. There are many ex-Christians, even from conservative, evangelical backgrounds.

These are just kids, and they haven't given the issue deep thought. They shouldn't be written off as though it's so ingrained in them they're unable to change. Kids naturally parrot what they're told, unless by some trauma they come to hate and distrust the person telling it. Eventually, however, we grow up and begin to critically examine our beliefs.

I'm all for getting people to abandon this nonsense, but the idea that Christians somehow "brainwash" their children is ridiculous. I went to *Baptist* sunday school, and sat through many sermons (some of which were actually quite good as far as artful presentation and well-formed reasoning are concerned) and I can attest after coming out of all that that there was no brainwashing. Persuasion is not brainwashing. In fact, I'm not entirely convinced that such a thing even exists.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 12:08:14 2010 No.2260933 File: 47 KB, 300x300, 1277014668184.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] They aren't even playing instruments. The girl in the back is using the drum set from Rock Band.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 12:11:14 2010 No.2260940 >>2260926 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LACyLTsH4ac

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 12:12:14 2010 No.2260942 >>2259399 sauce my good man

Anonymous Mon Dec 27 12:16:14 2010 No.2260953
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>Hey guys, welcome to our tour bus!
It's van
>Kids are "playing" instruments
You retards are just strumming on those guitars randomly and stopping all the time when you get distracted by something. And that loli in the back is using the Rock Band drums.

Anonymous Mon Dec 27 12:16:14 2010 No.2260954

>>2259196
Ironically, perhaps, they could easily come to that realization by... reading the Bible, which is full of stories in which those in authority are corrupt and behave wrongly. In fact, one of the basic lessons of the Bible is that sometimes it's hard to do what's right because society is against you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 12:17:14 2010 No.2260955 Cleanse your ears brothers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygOaNo3M_Hw

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 12:18:14 2010 No.2260958 >>2260954 It's more likely that they'll realize it when they grow up and are old enough to look back on this and realize that their parents were exploiting them in the hopes of being able to market a Christian "rock" kids' band.

Anonymous Mon Dec 27 12:33:14 2010 No.2260985
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>>2259311
Great point
The thing that I've seen is similar
Society tends to shun those who don't "buy in." Its the same pretty much with animals. The odd ones go out.
I think its something intrinsic to animal brains, a need to belong. For security purposes. But due to our "intelligence," we use it to become accepted and gain social status. I don't like Bieber or other idiots like that, but really, I would like to be in his position. Popular and rich, pretty much.
So, yes, society does need a leading figure to control and keep order. Sometimes it gets to be a bit too much, like in this video, but if you take a look at religion, its supposed to be a moral guide. Otherwise people would run around stabbing and raping other people. But thanks to this belief in a powerful figure determining the unknown (what comes after death), and the fear of it, allows to control these people to do more decent things.
TLDR: Read the damn thing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 12:36:14 2010 No.2260991 File: 46 KB, 403x404, 1290823577274.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2260985 fuck. Isn't coherent.

Anonymous Mon Dec 27 13:51:14 2010 No.2261177

>>2260985
> Society tends to shun those who don't "buy in." Its the same pretty much with animals. The odd ones go out.
Society is a set of rules you buy into. Not buying into them is the shunning. Your argument is akin to saying "People tend to not play chess with you if you knock over the board and scatter the pieces." They can't. You knocked over the board and scattered the pieces. It's not that they are unwilling to play with you, but you've discarded the rules of the game by which they might do so.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 15:39:14 2010 No.2261521 File: 279 KB, 2132x2263, 1290802512434.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2260985 Are you honestly saying that if it weren't for religion we wouldn't have morality?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 15:45:14 2010 No.2261545 >>2261521 not sure he's saying that, but... religion is very effective at communicating moral values and controlling some general behavior. Hell, the catholic church once had essentially limitless power in Europe.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 15:55:14 2010 No.2261585 >>2261545 You can do the same thing by just teaching people to not be douche bags. There's no need to go making up stories about magical sky demons and how they'll punish you if you don't follow some archaic and arbitrary set of rules.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 16:01:14 2010 No.2261602 File: 34 KB, 504x375, monty-python-spanish-inquisition[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2261545 And look how that went.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 16:01:14 2010 No.2261603 >>2261585 but you have to admit that religion is good at it, although prob not needed. It uses both a positive incentive (heaven, >9000 virgins, etc.) and a negative fear source (hellfire/damnation, etc.)

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 16:02:14 2010 No.2261607 >>2261585 >by just teaching people to not be douche bags Why? What happens if I'm a douchebag? What is my punishment?

>>	Naggarothian !!0S4L3hs2lkr Mon Dec 27 16:03:14 2010 No.2261612 >>2261607 Nobody likes you, and you die alone. No one will attend your funeral. Is that motivation enough, or do I have to start listing the stuff we'll do to you while you're alive?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 16:05:14 2010 No.2261620 >>2261612 But that's only if I'm stupid enough to be found out.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 16:06:14 2010 No.2261625 >>2261603 I'd say it does a horrible job at it considering how often religion is used to justify violent, barbaric, and inhumane acts.

>>	Naggarothian !!0S4L3hs2lkr Mon Dec 27 16:08:14 2010 No.2261645 File: 4 KB, 160x120, th_SimpsonsSpit-Take.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2261620 >he thinks it's hard to be identified as a jackass

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 16:09:14 2010 No.2261648 >>2261645 Are you fucking retarded? Do you have any idea how many crimes go unpunished? I hope you are trolling.

>>	Naggarothian !!0S4L3hs2lkr Mon Dec 27 16:11:14 2010 No.2261654 >>2261648 Ohhhh....CRIMES. I thought we were talking about being a general douchebag. Well, you can perform a crime and try to get away with it......but are you really going to take that chance?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 16:13:14 2010 No.2261661 >>2261648 A lot of criminals are religious. That doesn't seem to stop them. Sometimes they even use it as justification.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 16:15:14 2010 No.2261666 >>2261654 >but are you really going to take that chance? No, because I don't think I can get away with it. But there are no morals or anything stopping me from doing so, other than pure self-interest.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 16:18:14 2010 No.2261673 >>2261666 Religious based morality is all about pure self interest. Do what you're told or go to hell.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 16:20:14 2010 No.2261680 >>2261625 I suppose so, it is more like a selective mroality

Anonymous Mon Dec 27 16:22:14 2010 No.2261689

>>2261673
And, if I believed in it, it would work pretty well as a dissuasive argument.

The only other form of morality works by brainwashing people into thinking there are such things as right or wrong, and they should act upon that without any sort of punishment or reward as encouragement. I really don't see how anyone could be so gullible as to follow that kind of shit, but apparently my faith in humanity is misplaced, seeing that many people seem to do exactly this.

Anonymous Mon Dec 27 16:36:14 2010 No.2261725

>>2261689
Except it doesn't work, as our prison system can attest to. Religions always give sinners a way out, whether its confession, being born again, or simple bribery.

And criticizing teaching morality as having its own worth as brainwashing is ludicrous when you argue in favor of religion as the standard for morals.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 16:38:14 2010 No.2261729 >>2261725 >when you argue in favor of religion as the standard for morals. Except my point is that morals are stupid and, as thus, should be left in the realm of religion.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 16:41:14 2010 No.2261737 >>2261729 that sort of opinion is why we have 4chan

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 16:51:14 2010 No.2261759 >>2261729 If you honestly thought morality was stupid, then what would it matter to you how or under what system it's taught? Why make an opinion in the first place unless you do think it matters?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 16:54:14 2010 No.2261762 >>2261759 Because the thought of people making a claim to rationality while at the same time following morals disgusts me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 16:56:14 2010 No.2261763 >>2261762 And what exactly makes you think morals are irrational?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 16:58:14 2010 No.2261769 >>2261763 Did you read nothing of what I wrote? What is the point of being moral if you stand to gain nothing from it?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 17:00:14 2010 No.2261774 >>2261769 if everyone is immoral than society collapses and we all lose out.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 17:01:14 2010 No.2261782 >>2261774 Not a reason to be moral yourself, only a reason to rat out other people to the authorities. Fear of retribution will keep society in check. Still, no reason not to do anything you want as long as you think you can get away with it.

Anonymous Mon Dec 27 17:04:14 2010 No.2261786

>>2261769
You do stand to gain from it. By following moral principles you can live and function effectively in civil society. This gives you the advantage of societies support, safety, and security. Just because it doesn't guarantee you'll be filthy rich doesn't mean morals don't benefit you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 17:06:14 2010 No.2261792 >>2261786 yeah, but he's right: >>2261782 as long as you can get away with it there is no reason

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 17:06:14 2010 No.2261797 >>2261786 If you have the skill, lying and blackmailing will get you a lot more support from society than being honest will.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 17:09:14 2010 No.2261804 >>2260940 >let me tell you something about harry potter... I couldn't stop laughing

Anonymous Mon Dec 27 17:29:14 2010 No.2261861

>>2261797
These are not ways of getting support from society. These are ways of stealing resources from it. While you can self benefit from doing these, there's also a good chance you won't succeed and end up losing those benefits.

Ultimately though I don't think morality should even be based on self benefit. We're social animals, not solitary ones. It's our nature to live and function in communities. Even social dissidents tend to gather into groups and form their own subcultures. The people that aren't able to do this are usually the crazy weirdos that aren't able to take advantage of societies benefits at al.

Samefag !SHjzCSZsqE Mon Dec 27 17:30:14 2010 No.2261866

>>2261804
>warlocks are evil
>it doesn't matter what kind of hero they are, if he was in the old testament he would have been put to death
This woman is everything wrong with the world
>Drow are evil
>It doesn't matter what kind of hero he is - Do'urden must be put to death!

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 17:44:14 2010 No.2261906 >>2260940 nice. check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaOVPaYf780&feature=related It's done in slow-speak and ad nauseum, for churchies to be able to follow, but they don't like logic very much.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 27 17:45:14 2010 No.2261913 >>2261866 her and extreme muslims. equally as bad. equally as ignorant.

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