/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.2228698]

It is true that one can observe great variation in a kind and see the results of natural selection. For instance, wolves, coyotes, and dingoes have developed over time as a result of natural selection operating on the information found in the genes of the wolf/dog kind. But the point is that no new information was produced—these varieties of dogs have resulted from a rearrangement, sorting out, and separation of the information in the original dog kind. One kind has never been observed to change into a totally different kind with information that previously did not exist.15 Without intelligent input to increase information, natural selection will not work as a mechanism for evolution.

[Anonymous No.2228700]

As stated before, the Bible takes God’s existence as a given. It never attempts to prove the existence of God, and this for a very good reason. When we logically prove a particular thing, we show that it must be true because it follows logically from something authoritative. But there is nothing more authoritative than God and His Word. God knows absolutely everything. So it makes sense to base our worldview on what God has written in His Word.

[Anonymous No.2228699]

Oh gawd that picture is hilarious.

[Anonymous No.2228705]

One would never look at the Great Wall of China, the U.S. Capitol building in Washington, D.C., or the Sydney Opera House in Australia and conclude that such structures were formed after explosions in a brick factory.

Neither would anyone believe that the presidents’ heads on Mt. Rushmore were the products of millions of years of erosion. We can recognize design, the evidence of the outworkings of intelligence. We see man-made objects all around us—cars, airplanes, computers, stereos, houses, appliances, and so on. And yet, at no time would anyone ever suggest that such objects were just the products of time and chance. Design is everywhere. It would never enter our minds that metal, left to itself, would eventually form into engines, transmissions, wheels, and all the other intricate parts needed to produce an automobile.

[Anonymous No.2228709]

>>2228698
>One kind has never been observed to change into a totally different kind with information that previously did not exist.

I suggest you hit the books kid.

[Anonymous No.2228721]

Many people don’t realize that the big bang is a story not only about the past but also about the future. The most popular version of the big bang teaches that the universe will expand forever and eventually run out of usable energy. According to the story, it will remain that way forever in a state that astronomers call “heat death.” But the Bible teaches that the world will be judged and remade. Paradise will be restored. The big bang denies this crucial biblical teaching.

[Anonymous No.2228722]

Oh, would mind giving me a definition of kind?

[Anonymous No.2228727]

>>2228705
So what you're saying is that the face on mars was created by an alien life form.

[Anonymous No.2228731]

If one agrees to a discussion without using the Bible as these people insist, then we have allowed them to set the terms of the debate. In essence these terms are

1. “Facts” are neutral. However, there are no such things as “brute facts”; all facts are interpreted. Once the Bible is eliminated from the argument, the Christians’ presuppositions are gone, leaving them unable to effectively give an alternate interpretation of the facts. Their opponents then have the upper hand as they still have their presuppositions.

2. Truth can/should be determined independently of God. However, the Bible states: “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom” (Psalm 111:10); “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge” (Proverbs 1:7); “But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned” (1 Corinthians 2:14).

[Anonymous No.2228739]

In the book Noah’s Ark: A Feasibility Study, creationist researcher John Woodmorappe suggests that, at most, 16,000 animals were all that were needed to preserve the created kinds that God brought into the Ark.

The Ark did not need to carry every kind of animal—nor did God command it. It carried only air-breathing, land-dwelling animals, creeping things, and winged animals such as birds. Aquatic life (fish, whales, etc.) and many amphibious creatures could have survived in sufficient numbers outside the Ark. This cuts down significantly the total number of animals that needed to be on board.

Another factor which greatly reduces the space requirements is the fact that the tremendous variety in species we see today did not exist in the days of Noah. Only the parent “kinds” of these species were required to be on board in order to repopulate the earth. For example, only two dogs were needed to give rise to all the dog species that exist today.

[Anonymous No.2228746]

DAT KEN HAM

[Anonymous No.2228751]

>>2228739

Yeah... I guess you're right. 2 dogs -> more than 2 dog species now = No evolution.

I see it so clearly now.

[Anonymous No.2228767]

>>2228751
Most dog races appeard in the last 4000 years by selective breeding. Are you certain?

[MR. RAGE !D9l9S8Lio6 No.2228787]

>>2228767

SELECTIVE BREEDING IS AS MUCH EVOLUTION AS NATURAL SELECTION.

[Anonymous No.2228798]

Furthermore, from the Bible we see that there was no death, bloodshed, disease, or suffering before sin. If one approaches Genesis to Revelation consistently, interpreting Scripture with Scripture, then death and bloodshed of man and animals came into the world only after Adam sinned. The first death of an animal occurred when God shed an animal’s blood in the Garden of Eden and clothed Adam and Eve (Genesis 3:21). This was also a picture of the Atonement—foreshadowing Christ’s blood that was to be shed for us. Thus, there could not have been bones of dead animals before sin—this would undermine the gospel.

This means that the dinosaurs must have died after sin entered the world, not before. Dinosaur bones could not be millions of years old because Adam lived only thousands of years ago.

[Anonymous No.2228800]

>>2228787
Oh wait. Didn't read that right. You are correct, Rage. My bad.

[Anonymous No.2228812]

>>2228798
Deist here.

... what? Sorry man, but that makes little sense. Nothing tells us humans, Adam(Humanity) and Eve(Life), did not eat animasl.

[Anonymous No.2228818]

A deadly virus is sweeping through church members worldwide. Investigators have found that the reason this virus is fairly specific to church attendees is that it has found safe harbour in many seminaries and Bible colleges. In these institutions, the virus is transmitted to students who eventually pass it on to unsuspecting church members (especially if they become pastors). Although some people are ‘immune’ to the effects of the virus, most are not. The virus has been called ‘The Eisegesis Virus’, and has been found responsible for the ‘death’ of many church members.

Now I am not referring to a biological virus or a physical vaccine, but to what I could call a ‘spiritual virus’—a way of thinking that has taken over the minds of many church leaders and most church members. This has caused them to incorrectly interpret God’s Holy Word. This often results in doubt about, or even unbelief in, Biblical doctrines. It has placed a stumbling block before people in the world, one which results in them scoffing at, and not being willing to take seriously, the words of Scripture.

[Anonymous No.2228828]

>>2228698

[Brokazaki !!GGO9kwAPCR4 No.2228880]

>>2228787
You post on /sci/ as well as /tg/? Man, you really -are- excellent.