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>> No.2225909

Sniff the bottom of the box for the smell of glue.

>> No.2225912

slice a piece off the box then weigh it

>> No.2225914

>>2225909
odorless glue bro

>> No.2225916

>>2225903
ask someone nearby who may know

>> No.2225917

>>2225912

That won't work, it could be all plastics expect the very inside core.

>> No.2225924

flip it?

>> No.2225926

try to get a really thin wire in under the box.

>> No.2225927

Dig into the ground underneath the box? See if there is glue residue on the ground he digs up. If The Box sinks down as soon as he digs up the ground, he knows the box is just too heavy.

>> No.2225932

He would acquire some really heavy machinery or some bros to help him move it. HE doesn't just have 10 seconds to figure it out, bear that in mind.

>> No.2225949

Use a crane to tilt the box on to one of it's edges (like a diamond)... it takes less power to tilt on it's side than to move. If that's not possible, it's glued!

>> No.2225950

>>2225903
I'd take a guess as to what the "box" is made of, whether or not it's hollow or solid, examine the ground at it's periphery, look for signs of adhesive, perhaps take a good run at it and kick it with my foot instead of just pushing on it.

Am I allowed any tools? Hammer? Crowbar? Explosives? XD

>> No.2225955

Hit it with a hammer. The denser it is, the less it will vibrate.

Can you dig beneath it?

>> No.2225958

Turn off gravity for a moment, and push it.

>> No.2225962

Use a long armed shovel (or other implement anything long will do) if the box lifts up, it's just heavy.

>> No.2225998

>>2225927
Doesn't work on hard surface. And why would it be glued to soil or sand.
Put a knife or something thin between the box and the ground.

>> No.2226167

Christ you people are stupid. WOW.

>> No.2226220

look down, see glue, profit

>> No.2226229

try to spin it.

>> No.2226236

>>2225955
That only tests rigidity.

>> No.2226248

change the world upside down. if its glued it wont fall

>> No.2226257

>>2226167
I don't see you coming up with an answer

>> No.2226700

1. Add water
2. Add Borax
3. ........
4. PROFIT!!!

>> No.2226715

Slide a motherfucking piece of paper under the box, or try to.

That took me 3 seconds.

>> No.2226726

ask chuck norris

>> No.2226769

>>2226715
set a wooden box on the cement outside
try to slide some paper underneath
HURRHRERRDURRR WHO GLUED MAI BOX DOWN????

>> No.2226785

reprhrasing:
How to determine with applied power if friction between box and floor is high because of weight or because of glue bonding?
Friction is the same value no matter what causes it.
So all we should notice if box moves or not whenever force of man > friction.
Detection is irrelevant here, the only exception should contain values of glue bonding and natural friction, so if the power applied is bigger, than natural friction it's obviously glued.
tl;dr not enough data to solve.

>> No.2226786

I'll just put on my robe and my wizard hat...

>> No.2226789

if he knows the approximate density and volume of the box he can know the mass.. coefficient of friction with the floor would be helpful too

>> No.2226848

>>2226769
this

>> No.2226905

bump

>> No.2226963

Unless you can tilt the box or spin it/rock it the glue will be equivalent to a high static friction and indistinguishable. You'd have to do some wacky shit (like measure the density of the box) in order to determine a possible difference.

What are the constraints here?

>> No.2227008

Weight box. While trying to lift the box weight it again. If the mass is equal. It is glued.

>> No.2227017

Try to see if you can successfully apply torque to it. If you can't, it's glued.

>> No.2227019

kick the top of the box for maximum torque

>> No.2227034

Either i am looking at this wrong or everyone is crazy.

If its a box literally. like a cardboard box.

Pushing on it would mean the top part would move forward and the bottom wouldn't.

If the whole thing is just rigid then there isn't really any way to tell by just pushing on it.

>> No.2227040

Keep pushing it for days, weeks or months, if it doesn't budge, it's glued.

>> No.2227118

>>2227040
If you keep pushing forever with the same force it won't move it.

lrn2 Solid Mechanics

>> No.2227443

Dig under it. Jesus Christ you people are dense.

>> No.2227459

I would try to tip the box slightly by pushing at the very top. This takes advantage of leaving most of the weight of the box still supported by the ground and doesn't require the box to overcome the static frictional force. If it tips at all it's not glued. If it is superbly heavy you could use a simple machine to try to tip it.

As someone else mentioned, try to determine its density would work as well.

>> No.2227469

googone

>> No.2227471

i think you would not be able to know this, without breaking a peice off to determine density.

sort of like being subject in an upward moving elevator vs. being subject to stronger gravitational fields

>> No.2227479

>really heavy
>glued to ground

There's no difference. It's all just friction. Prove me wrong.

>> No.2227490

Glue increases friction in the same way that weight does, so their effects on the box are nearly identical. To tell the difference I would measure the object's gravity. This would require some very expensive very specialized instrument.

>> No.2227492
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>>2225949

>> No.2228197

He can try to rotate the box around one of its corners, as friction will be greatly reduced.

>> No.2230706

need answers

>> No.2230720

Id try to turn it, using a long arm (sticking a long as pole to the side, and just push). The box should be easier to turn than to move. If this doesnt work, its glued.

>> No.2230733

Why don't we just put the box into a vacuum and assume that it's spherical, does that make it easier for you people?

>> No.2230744

tap it with your hand to see if it is solid or hollow and estimate its density.

>> No.2230760

>>2230733
>assume box is spherical
>push it

>> No.2230765

kick it. If it hurts its heavy if it doesn't its glued.

>> No.2230769

>>2230765

This doesn't account for the fact that it could be heavy and glued to the ground. The 2 choices are 1) glued or 2) JUST heavy.

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2230781

/sci/ really lacks perspective.

>> No.2230784

>>2230733
no it must be a frictionless no-gravity vacuum encased in lead.

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2230792

Easy, we use magnets.

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2230814

Figured it out /sci/.

>> No.2230822

>>2230814
Makes no sense cant change the dimensions of the cube X_X

>> No.2230828

>>2230822
I'm not changing any dimensions, I'm just cutting it across. If OP is allowed to glue the cube onto the ground, I'm allowed to glue it back together afterwards.

>> No.2230829

well i would use a crane

either way that fucker is comin out

>> No.2230854

>>2230814
Would this work?

>> No.2230855

it's not glued... who in their right mind would glue a box to the ground

>> No.2230860

>>2230855
See
>>2230781

>> No.2230878

>>2227443
This. You people are stupid.

>> No.2230910

Hold a plum-bob near it, and measure the angle of the line. Anything other than 90 degrees suggests a rather heavy object.

>> No.2230928

>>2230910
wat

>> No.2230940

Gravimetry.

If the box is really that heavy, it will have some effect.

>> No.2230942

Spatulas are really nifty.

>> No.2230977
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>>2225903
move it with the force of the entire planet

>> No.2231116

magnets

>> No.2231128

ask it?

>> No.2231149

Dig up the earth around it and tilt the ground plane. If if doesn't slide, it's glued. (Or has infinite friction another way)

Wait. Dig under it and check for glue. Derp.

>> No.2231172

try to spin or flip, or rock it. If all fails, push and pull with resocant frequency of the box

>> No.2231198
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2231198

>>2230977
this
rock moving companies = bankrupt

>> No.2231221

Build a pool around it

Then fill the pool with a very, very dense liquid (higher the liquids density infinitely). If, after the density of the liquid hits infinity, the box doesn't float, it's glued.

>> No.2231240

Put a little thing near it.
If it the crate's heavy enough, it will be moved to it by the power of gravity.

Or you know, just dig under it.

>> No.2231249

>>2231221
...WTF.

>> No.2231256

Why doesn't he just pull the box?

>> No.2231272

ask the guy who put it there if its glued or heavy duh

>> No.2231279

Excavate the ground from under it. If it falls, it's just heavy.
If it stays put, it's glued to the spot.

>> No.2231285

construct a tripod over box. attach a pully pair, in series with a spring scale, to the box and tripod. lift box. Measure maximum force on scale. If max force = current force (with suspended box) then it's just heavy. if max force > current force, it was glued. If max force < current force, fuck you.

>> No.2231314

>>2231221
>after the density of the liquid hits infinity
ohu.jpg

>> No.2231384

Problem doesn't mention friction, so we can assume the system is absent of it. Push it, if it's not glued, no matter how little, it will accelerate.

>> No.2231400

The chances of someone gluing a box to the ground are slim so he would originally assume it was heavy.

>> No.2231406

>>2231314
>>2231249

2deep4u

>> No.2231415

Hit it with your fist or kick it. You should be able to feel whether it is really heavy or glued.

>> No.2231432

blast it with piss

>> No.2231475

I commune with Gaia and speak directly with the box's spiritual aura, asking if it is glued or not.

Pagans - 1
Atheists - 0

>> No.2231499

>>2231475
You know, I have to admit, if I wasn't an atheist, I'd swing for Paganism.

>> No.2231511

>>2231475
>>2231499
Pantheism or atheism. Either no gods are real or all gods are real.

>> No.2231513

really heavy things tend to feel different than glued things when pushed. glued things kinda feel hollow even when not.

>> No.2231524

>>2231499
Paganism is just non-pagan religion with fewer metaphors and more straight up bullshit.

>> No.2231526

>>2231511
Accept nothing but the most extreme!

>> No.2231530

First thought.


Get down and sniff it

>> No.2231538

>>2231530
>whydidwenotthinkofthis.jpg

>> No.2231540

Put a giant red heavy box on the ground. It usually takes a crane to get it out.

>> No.2231549

>>2231538
see
>>2225909

>> No.2231552

>>2230814

if you moved it onto a fault line wouldn't you know if its glued or not already

>> No.2231556

>>2231526
I treat them like I would multiple universes.
Currently we cannot sense any gods nor more than one universe. But if at any time we find evidence of another universe or one god, then the number of them must be infinite.

>> No.2231562

>>2231556
Same here. If the Judeistic god can be real, why not Thor or Zeus?

>> No.2231569

>>2230940

i'm with this anon.
if its really that heavy and you have enough time, it's measureable

>> No.2231647

>>2231562
Because one needed nothing to make things. The other needed to kill a giant and milk cows to get his shit done. Zeus needed the Titans too.

I dunno. If they were all real, the most impressive one would be the abrahamic god.

>> No.2231666

Set gravity to zero.
If it floats it's not glued.

>> No.2231687

>>2231647
lollol

>> No.2231725
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2231725

troll thread : it's impossible and i can prove it

in both cases, you can't move it at all

you can't modify the cube, nor use instruments as you have only 10 seconds, you can't use dog's sense of smell, you can't see shit as the glue is invinsible, you can't taste it, you can't use sounds, well everything i'll propose, you're gonna refute it

so it's definitely impossible to know as the sixth sense doesn't exist

>> No.2231727

Use crane.

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2231757

i use magic