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In theory we should have evolved to be attracted to women that display signs of health and fertility. So why aren't girls built like this our standard of beauty?

>> No.2219208

>>2219202
Because you were brainwashed. No, really. Fashion industry. The standard changes every couple decades. Look up what was considered sexy in past decades.

In the middle ages, she would be really hot. And they'd be right.

>> No.2219209

I'd impregnate her with no remorse.

>> No.2219225

The fuck you talking about? I am attracted to her, as wel as other healthy and fertile appearing females, not stick thin anorexic girls (but not disgusting fatties either)

>> No.2219227

>>2219208
In the 1920s the ideal was a thin, tiny-breasted, almost boyish figure.

>> No.2219228

that bitch aint healthy shell have diabetes in 10 years

>> No.2219232

>>2219227
Whereas now, it's thin but large-breasted. I guess.

>> No.2219233

>>2219208
>In the middle ages, she would be really hot
Implying she isn't really hot now?
Anyone who prefers giraffe skeleton models is not being honest with his own sense of hawtness.

>> No.2219237

>>2219233
Oh no, I meant no such implication. Perish the thought.

>> No.2219241

Shit, she is epsilon away from my standard of beauty...
sauce?

>> No.2219244
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2219244

My preference is for girls like this.

>> No.2219247

>>2219202
Eye of the beholder? It is us that gives her value instead of us enjoying her for being her.

>> No.2219250

>>2219244
Traps?

>> No.2219251

>>2219244
>girls
I'd say I have bad news for you, but you probably already know.
In that case, I guess the bad news is that you like it.

>> No.2219265

>>2219202
Because there's a difference between Natural Selection and Sexual Selection. As a dominant species, we no longer have to worry about dying out, so our instinctive drives to find fertile women is overcome by a satisfactory feeling to find sexy women.

>> No.2219267

>>2219202

ffs someone find sauce!

>> No.2219268

>>2219251
Bad? When the dude's look this good, what chance to girls have? He's not going to bleed from his penis or anything.

>> No.2219270

>>2219244
are you an engineer?

>> No.2219273

Genetic factors are not the only reason for attractiveness, there are also social factors.

In the days when only the wealthy could be plump, they were more desirable, now thinness is a luxury of the leisure class, as the underclass has more sedentary jobs and worse food options.

All it means that humans evolved socially, and we choose mates for greater social value more than we do for distinct genetic traits.

>> No.2219279

>>2219270
How'd you know?

>> No.2219319
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>> No.2219328

OP, she needs bigger tits, that's why.

>> No.2219341
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>>2219319

>> No.2219347

>>2219319
this

>> No.2219351

Someone want to explain the whole tentacle-rape thing in evolutionary terms?

>> No.2219355

You know the reason fashion models are so skinny is because you're supposed to look at the clothes and not the model. The entire purpose is for them to be living mannequins.
I have no idea where people got the idea that they're supposed to be attractive. If I could go back in time and find the first people who thought that I'd punch them all in the dick.

>> No.2219361

>>2219351
Illegal to show vagina and penis in japanese porn. They start using octopuses and squids instead.
BAM tentacle rape

>> No.2219362
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2219362

>be a nigger
>explain to people that I love hips and ass
>they say they like what appears to be anorexic girls with too much makeup
>very skinny women deluded by the fashion industry try to flirt with me
NOPE

>> No.2219363

>>2219355
Good luck with that, because I can guarantee they were all women.

>> No.2219365

>>2219351
Well its a Japanese fantasy, and we all know that the Japanese evolved within an isolated island environment, similar to the dodo bird, lack of proper competition results in animals that are non competitive in other environments.

>> No.2219369

Nearly 200 years ago, the ideal of beauty was tuberculosis. See those novels about vampires? They were descriptions of people affected by the disease.

Now, the famished, malnourished, concentration camp look is what is considered "beauty".

Mankind is so fucked up.

>> No.2219373

Because you don't have to look like a whale to look healthy and fertile?

>> No.2219379
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2219379

>>2219361
THEN EXPLAIN THIS SHIT, CIRCA 1814

>> No.2219380

>>2219373
Examples?

>> No.2219382
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2219382

>>2219363
THEN A PUNCH TO THE OVARIES

>> No.2219388

>>2219202
I honestly think this chick is fucking hot,

>> No.2219390

>>2219379
That's what I was talking about
>start using octopuses and squids instead.
also Japan is pretty huge on fishing

>> No.2219405

>>2219390
I'm just saying that pic probably isn't because of censorship issues. You're probably right about Japan's special reliance on the sea, though.

>> No.2219406

>>2219379

Asians aren't people, they're aliens.

>> No.2219413

Well sailors the world over discovered that apparently the best sex you can get from a nonhuman is from the female Dugong carcass.

Bestiality isn't just a japan thing.

>> No.2219420

>>2219365
insular dwarfism would explain how short japanese people are.

>> No.2219424

>>2219420
And the rampant malnourishment had nothing to do with it, right?

Nowadays, japanese kids are getting much taller thanks to food brought from overseas.

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>>2219413
>mfw sexually frustrated sailors raping dead manatees

>> No.2219430

>>2219424
or perhaps its just slow genetic drift after their prostitutes serviced american GIs

>> No.2219433
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2219433

>>2219413
hawt

>> No.2219440

>>2219430
Pretty sure the Japanese don't let half-breeds fly under the radar like that.

>> No.2219459

>>2219440
not intentionally, but over the decades since they've gone through a bunch of crazy fads, weird hair colors, and other ridiculous trends that will hide the cues of superior white ancestry.

>> No.2220946

>>2219202
Not much into blonds but think the pig tails are cute
DEM HIPS
Based on the gif she seems like a lot of fun with an overall positive attitude towards life.
I approve

>>2219244
o_O

>>2219319
Flawless body
Face is a different story

but still bangin'

>>2219362
Love her body

>> No.2220963

>>2219202
Oh god I would put my arms around her hips and never come up for air.

>why aren't girls built like this our standard of beauty?

Speak for yourself. Oh you mean about the media and fashion industry? Because those are run by gay men who can't appreciate hips.

>> No.2220972

>>2219424
they've always been short

>> No.2221009
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2221009

>>2219361
Shinryaku!

Shinryaku!

Shinryaku!

>> No.2221015

Because evolution is not god.

>> No.2221106

>>2219202

that is my standard of beauty. and it feel better to the touch too, mm. nom nom nom

sci makes me feel so normal <3

thanks anon.

>> No.2221110

Chaos, And I see no problem with her.

>> No.2221236

>>2219209
>>2219225
>>2219233
I'm with these guys

>>2219244
Wait......THAT IS A MAN?!?!?! FUCK! I HAVE THAT SAME PICTURE SOMEWHERE ON MY HARD DRIVE NOW I GOTTA FIND IT AND DELETE IT!!!

>> No.2221326

There is no such thing as a "standard of beauty". At least, not for me. I like thick girls, thin girls, tall girls, short girls, white girls, black girls, asian girls, latinas, indians, blondes, redheads, brunettes, you name it.

I dunno about you guys, maybe you're shallow enough to have only one "ideal". That must be pretty boring.

Anyways OP, the answer is because we have thinking brains and we don't have to be fully bound by the shackles of evolution for all of our decisions. In fact, we're fully capable of making choices that outright go against everything evolution has produced us to be.

>> No.2221331

Our preferences are also built upon the adults we saw as young children. Humans are extremely variable, and we would not be changing if we were all attracted to the same exact type of woman. Also, many aspects of beauty are universal throughout cultures. For example, that girl in the picture has a small waist and nice skin, which are valued in almost every culture out there.

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>>2221236
>NOW I GOTTA FIND IT AND DELETE IT!!!

Now, now, why would you do that?

>> No.2221346

Nurture, not nature.

>> No.2221349

>Mal Malloy
Mah nigga, OP
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xg67s8_queen-of-curves-mal-malloy-or-mallory-malloy-3_sexy

>> No.2221366

>>2219202
because that girl is fat and that is just unnatural

>> No.2221374

>>2221333
YOU KNOW DAMN WELL WHY!

>> No.2221385

>>2219202

>implying I wouldn't reem that mercilessly
>implying I don't require sauce
>please
>sauce?

>> No.2221407

>>2221385
see
>>2221349

>> No.2221412

>>2219202
DEM HIPS

>> No.2221441

It is said that men are hard-wired to be attracted to women who display signs of youth, and hence virginity. Therefor, throughout the ages and throughout countless cultures men have preferred short, young, inexperienced women with removed pubic hair and small breasts.

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>>2221349

>Requires registration

>> No.2221449

There doesn't have to be a built-in biological reason. Why do people find the appearance of some cars more appealing than others? Why do people find flowers pretty, when the flowers themselves are for the benefit of pollinating insects?

For my part, I like a variety of body shapes. The only point at which biological drive asserts its influence is in that I'm attracted to females However I'm also attracted to some males: lean, lithe and somewhat androgynous young males. Who knows why? Maybe it involves some sort of biological "malfunction" but in any case I'm not concerned, because I don't share the personal goals that evolution would dictate for me. That's the privilege of being sapient, that I can say "fuck that shit" to biological imperative.

>> No.2221459

>>2221443
Any other source that doesn't require registration?
>rapidshare anyone?

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>>2221441

>> No.2221469

>>2219202

yes. but there is a point when a desireable trait is so far from the normal that it is not attractive. Humanity could gradually works it's way to the point where women like that are attractive, and although her big hips ARE sexy, she just deviates too much from the norm for most guy's tastes...

>> No.2221497

Once again proof that the negroid is indeed the true master race.

>> No.2221552

>>2221497

the negroid race have typically large fat deposits on their ass, but they have the least feminine hips of all the races imo

>> No.2221570

>So why aren't girls built like this our standard of beauty?

What the fuck are you talking about?

>> No.2221573

>In theory we should have evolved to be attracted to women that display signs of health and fertility. So why aren't girls built like this our standard of beauty?

Fat does not mean healthy, it means unhealthy. Fat bitches are disgusting because they are unhealthy.

Bib tits and asses are good because those are signs of fertility. But a fat bitch with a big ass and tits is still and unhealthy fat bitch.

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2221583

gays are in charge of women's fashion. they make clothes and choose models only appealing to gays.

>> No.2221587
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2221587

IMHO, different women look good with different levels of fat.

Cheekbones and hips are fixed, and facial and body curvature changes as you dial the fat level up and down.

I like the athletic look myself, but some women look hot-dang-terrific with a little fat on 'em. Example: Gianna Michaels

>> No.2221590

>>2219202
Because we've also evolved to be social creatures; and societies fads and norms overule our biological impulses.
>yes i'm that fag that responds to OP after the thread has already had 70 posts, and I didn't read any of them.

>> No.2222030

>>2221587
>IMHO, different women look good with different levels of fat.

>Cheekbones and hips are fixed, and facial and body curvature changes as you dial the fat level up and down.

I have always thought this too. But you also have to take into account that different women have different fat distributions too.

I've always taken it as a sign of good genes if a girl can pull off being a bit chubby and still not look "fat", despite having more fat than most girls could get away with...if you know what i mean.

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Lol'd, faggots.

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>> No.2222103

>>2222100
>>2222091
NSFW.

please get out

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>>2222103
homo

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>>2222103
fcking engineers

>> No.2222144

Self-perpetuating ideas of beauty.

Which will become self-reinforcing and even could be considered self-replicating once genetic engineering goes down to the near-DIY level.

Choosing our genetic destiny would be nice, if people didn't jump massively into the same thing (All tall, x globally preferred eye colour skin colour good musculature everything perfectly aligned with the ideas of beauty) because, well, let's face it: Once everyone's pretty, what the fuck on Earth (Or under it) do we do about the gene pool?

We'll end up like the aliens in Flying to Valhalla.

>> No.2222154

>>2222144

Personally, I am attracted based on personality and not based on physical appearance. Sure, it plays a part, but a very minor part.

>> No.2222171

They are mine OP. I think the modern skinny chick came from the runways where gay men needed women who looked like clotheshangers with pretty faces. Somehow, kids in the 80s got confused and thought women should look like supermodels.

>> No.2222172

>>2221573
You're wrong. A woman needs a certain amount of body fat in order to be healthy. The standard of beauty pushed by the media is incredibly unhealthy.

>> No.2222174

>>2222154
What a shallow faggot

>> No.2222186

>>2222172
That's incorrect, that idea is pushed by fat feminists. It's true, females do need a very minor amount of body fat, as do males, but the amount that is pushed by the media is more than healthy enough.

>> No.2222189

thats because most of the designers are gay

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>>2222154
virgin detected

>> No.2222193

>>2219426
OH THE HUMANATEE!

>> No.2222195

we haven`t yet achieved the ultimate phase of evolution

>> No.2222214

>>2222193
>oh the huge manatee

>> No.2222215

>>2222195

I did

also 2222222 get

>> No.2222216

>>2219202


Sauce for the pic please?

>> No.2222267

.chubby is wrong, too skinny is wrong.
FUCK YOU GUYS.
THICK is what you want (and are thinking unless you like to see fat on their stomachs. sicko.)

>> No.2222284

>>2222216
Mal Malloy

>> No.2222341

Because physically fit women are attractive. No I'm not talking about bodybuilders, or women who starve themselves. But women who do a lot of cardio and light exercises end up with slighter bodies and bigger asses.
Girls that end up with these types of bodies without working for them are still attractive to us though.

>> No.2222370

Arguably, in today's society where women don't really have to do physical activities and it's cheap to eat unhealthy, skinny is an expensive trait, a sign of social class, and therefore desirable.

I mean, anyone that can afford to hit the gym in terms of cash or spare time has to be doing pretty well. And there is a LOT of fat girls that eat fast food all their lives.

>> No.2222376

>>2219202
oh my god this is like my third time in this thread saying how hot she is

>> No.2222377

>>2219202

Because being 'attractive' is dependent upon the environment one exists within.

In an era where hunger is commonplace, what is more appealing in a potential mate than being well fed?

In an era where biological sustenance is bountiful, what is more appealing in a potential mate than being fit? After all, this would imply that they actually have the necessary time to achieve such a physique.

I think you're getting the idea from this, so I'll end now; mind you this is an incredibly limited explanation.

>> No.2222417

Beauty = Young
Excess Fat mimics age, QED fat = ugly

(rail-thin anorexics mimic sexual immaturity, also ugly)

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>>2222341
>thinks you get Dat Ass from 'light exercises & cardio'
>thinks women can get bulky without 'roids

>> No.2222453

Up to the 19th Century it WAS fashionable to have a 'healthy' women. Then after mechanisation really set in the 20th Century saw that change.

Once people in the West effectively eliminated child mortality, danger giving birth, and famines, it became fashionable to prove that you "didn't need" the attributes that previously ensured survival. IE you no longer had to be chubby, because you were so rich that you always had food, allowing you to be selective about food and be thin.

That's my general hypothesis.

>> No.2222492

>>2219379
>THEN EXPLAIN THIS SHIT, CIRCA 1814

Don't know if anyone has answered you yet, but modern Japanese law was written during MacArthur's occupation after WW2. Rumor has it that the censorship aspect was influenced by American Puritanical ideas, but I don't know this for sure. I'm pretty confident that the law in question did originate then, though.

>> No.2222508

In the media, the fashion industry determines the ideal female body type. Most of the fashion industry is run by homosexual men. To homosexual men, the highest standard of beauty and attractiveness is the teenage boy. Therefore, the ideal female body type is women who are built like teenage boys. QED.

>> No.2223147

I wouldn't consider the fashion industry standard to be a standard of beauty. Fashion models are supposed to present clothes as appealing. Being ugly would not make you a good model as people wouldn't want to look at you but bein superhot isn't ideal for a modle either because its distracting from the clothes which are supposed to be the focus.

The girl in the OP's gif is definitely hot. I would undoubtably prefer her to a rail thin fashion model.

>> No.2223295

>>2222508

Interesting but still your opinion and not necessarily fact. Most people would do well to realize the distinction.

Not one shred of evidence presented.

>> No.2223302

>>2223295
I doubt many people would. The women in fashion magazines are presented as something fashionable and beautiful. Many people will simply assume that is what they're supposed to consider beautiful.

>> No.2223339

>>2223302

A compounded missing of the point. You should distinguish between fact and your own opinion (as you should have inferred from my post) especially as it pertains to pretending you know what other people are thinking.

>> No.2223346

>>2223339
You think anyone in here is doing more than giving an opinion? I have yet to see anyone present any actual data.

>> No.2223355

if she had slightly thinner hips she would be perfect imo. Also you have to understand that what the fashion and modeling industry projects is a body image for women, not for men. It is intended to facilitate sales, by inducing a feeling of inadequacy on gullible young women. Essentially, its marketing, which frames our perceptions of the real world. I as a man would definately find a women like that attractive, highly. However she does have some fat ass hips -.-

>> No.2223360

>>2223295
"...in that way, scientists are the stupidist of all human creatures, completely devoid of creativity and rationality..."

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2223385

circle the one you find most attractive.

>> No.2223388

>>2223385
the second one

>> No.2223393

>>2223385
third one

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>>2223385

>> No.2223398

>>2223385
probably the 4th one

>> No.2223402

>>2223398
nevermind, i miscounted its the third one

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>>2223385

>> No.2223409

>>2223385
i choose youuu number twooo

>> No.2223422

>>2223385
#1, definitely.

>> No.2223423

>>2219227
Yes. But the 1920s was about women breaking out of their social molds. So they became very scrawny with bound breasts to oppose the traditionally curvaceous woman. They also wore a fuckton of makeup, drove cars, drank heavily and did cocaine.

>> No.2223427

So, we all seem to prefer 2,3 and 4.....except for
>>2223422

>> No.2223430

>>2223385
4, maybe 5.

>> No.2223435

>>2223423
Driving cars and cocaine were relatively new by then, so those shouldn't count. The other two, have been around forever and women have been doing both forever.

>> No.2223463

Bitches don't know about the role of waist-to-hip ratio. Dat 0.7!!

>> No.2223743

>>2223463
Women really are idiots when it comes to self image.

>> No.2223780

>>2219202
Survival isn't just about who is strongest - fat has it's benefits, too, like in the wintertime, so nature allows it, I suppose.

>> No.2223793

>>2223780
Fat has it's benefits that for most of the history of life on Earth one of the main obstacles to survival was obtaining food. Having fat reserves allows animals to survive when food isn't readily available. It's so important to survival you can't live without having at least a minimum amount of fat in your body. You actually need a lot more than that minimum amount in order to be healthy, so it's mind boggling when people find skinny twig women that look incredibly unhealthy to be attractive.

>> No.2223800

>>2219202
Her hips are a little wide but I'd still hit that. There's a difference between fat women and women with wide hips.
I bet those her vagina could crack a walnut.

>> No.2223804

BIRTHAN HIPS

>> No.2225063

>>2223804
A lot of that is actually just fat.

>> No.2225091

>>2221441
i call bullshit like everyone else has, evolutionary pyscology speculates that men are more attracted to those who show signs of fertillity and the features to best rear our offspring, broad hips tig ol bitties. not hairless short bitches.

>> No.2225105

>>2222508
so jews run the money, and gays run the fashion industry? Pointless assumption is pointless.

>> No.2227133

bump

>> No.2227153

>>2223804
BIRTHAN HIPS CONFIRMED FOR APHRODITE TIER

>> No.2227306

What the fuck kind of question is that? I'd tap it and fill it with sperm. Western culture is on the brink of destruction anyway.

>> No.2227320

>>2227306
>What the fuck kind of question is that? I'd tap it and fill it with sperm.
YEAH!

>Western culture is on the brink of destruction anyway.

Wait....what?

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2227331

I'd pick a woman with a round but not fat ass, smooth thighs, small stomach and huge tits. It's a rarity and if gold has taught us anything, rare = good.

It's too easy to be thick around the ass nowadays, so it's not attractive.

>> No.2227354

I like tall, thin, willowy girls the most, but curvy girls are fine too. Unless it's one of those chicks that thinks 40lbs overweight is "curvy".

>> No.2227379

>>2227331
HHHNNNGGGG

>> No.2227380

>>2227331
That's horrible. I wouldn't go near a woman with such undersized hips.

>> No.2227382

>>2219319
She was probably perfect before her implants.

>> No.2227384

>>2227354 Unless it's one of those chicks that thinks 40lbs overweight is "curvy".

Oh god this. "Curvy" means dem hips/tits, it does not refer to your stomach fat. Though I've also known girls with dem hips and completely flat stomachs that thought they were fat despite my nomming constantly on their delicious hips.

>> No.2227385

>>2227354
Well, if she's tall enough, 40 pounds overweight is curvy....but that's getting into gigantism territory.

>> No.2227387

>>2227331
dem eyes looking at me

>> No.2227396

>>2227382
>implying you wouldn't destroy that

>> No.2227397

>>2222222

>> No.2227400

>>2227396
I've never gone for fake tits and I never will. I'd rather small than fake.

>> No.2227406

Because sexual selection overpowers it. We are attracted to people that show an excess of energy. People that have commitment and time to stand out, and go against what's natural.

>> No.2227412

>>2219202
Why would we have evolved into being attracted to whales?

>> No.2227613

>>2227412
>implying the girl the OP posted is a whale
>implying that she is anything other than hot

>> No.2228463

>>2227331
I hope you realize this woman has an eating disorder.