/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.2219162]

So, the american government might put into action a program where the average citizen can suggest programs and projects to cut funding from. One of the first is the NSF.

Your thoughts, /sci/?

http://republicanwhip.house.gov/YouCut/

[Anonymous No.2219181]

>>2219174

how adult and insightful of you

[Anonymous No.2219174]

Find out what programs Republican's are backing.

[Anonymous No.2219183]

>>2219162
”Even in the middle of a war, university academics in Chicago are spending taxpayer dollars in a quixotic attempt to smash teeny-tiny uranium atoms underneath a football field…”

[Anonymous No.2219188]

>>2219183
Well, I guess that means the government should just stop funding that football field then.

[Anonymous No.2219192]

>>2219174

obligatory:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7Q8UvJ1wvk

[Anonymous No.2219194]

what do you think, you're giving the power to control scientific experiments, to every joe, dick, harry, and *shudder* laquisha. If they don't understand something don't let them have the chance to fuck something truly important up

[Anonymous No.2219199]

>One of the first is the NSF.

not cool, man.

absolutely not cool.

[Anonymous No.2219207]

>>2219199
>republicanwhip.house.gov
>post pic of Obama

[Anonymous No.2219210]

>>2219183
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Anonymous No.2219220]

>>2219183
where did you find this? and where did OP find that the NSF is the first to go? the website is confusing me

[Anonymous No.2219234]

>>2219207
>implying he's not responsible for the Republican takeover

because you can't point out a single significant difference between Bush's second term and Oabam's first.
In fact Obama is much better at implementing destructive conservative policies like tax cuts for the rich and war escalations
("hurrr women liberation fairpay" act etc don't count )

[Anonymous No.2219236]

Agriculture subsidies. If farms can't support themselves, then tough luck. That's the free market for you.

[Anonymous No.2219246]

>>2219183

The last time university academics played with uranium during a war, it won said war.

[Anonymous No.2219263]

I went there and suggested that they cut military spending. Feels good man.

[Anonymous No.2219271]

>>2219220

OP here.
It's further down the page under the heading of YouCut citizen review. It's not that they're going to cut funding from the whole NSF (at least officially), rather they would cut the funding from projects that the "average citizen" decided was "wasteful" (no real definition there).

Some argue that since citizens pay for it with tax money, they should get to decide what gets funded.

[Anonymous No.2219282]

America has a strong liking of science and technological advancement

Look it up

How else would be be the most advanced nation on the planet

maybe we can use this to get more funds for NASA and other science agencies

[Anonymous No.2219289]

>>2219282
>most advanced nation on the planet

Japan, Germany, France etc are far more advanced, IMO

[Anonymous No.2219294]

>>2219271
That's silly. We elect officials to make those decision, because your average citizen doesn't have the time or expertise to make them. Although to be fair, most Congressmen are blithering morons as well.

[Anonymous No.2219295]

But they hate the NSF for some reason

NASA is the real issue anyways

[Anonymous No.2219297]

>>2219271
I'm still not finding that quote

[Anonymous No.2219301]

>>2219174

Republicans like war

War funding is the one of the biggest contributors to scientific and technological development

[Anonymous No.2219304]

>>2219301
Hey, if that's what it takes.

How about not cutting science funding, Democrats?

[Anonymous No.2219306]

>>2219301
not as big of a contributor as NSF funded research

[Scia No.2219308]

>>2219289
I was talking about technology

name another country that has

created life, devolving NEW space technology for manned space exploration, wins more Science noble prizes then anyone else

We have the best Tech

Deal with it

[Scia No.2219316]

>>2219289
I don't think so tim

[Anonymous No.2219322]

>>2219301
>War funding is the one of the biggest contributors to scientific and technological development
it's an incredibly wasteful "contributor," most of it is manufacturing redundant stupid shit and shipping it allover the place

also, supporting over 700 major military bases around the world LOL

[Anonymous No.2219323]

It's very sad how the republicans (thanks to orwellian douchebags like Frank Luntz) will so shamelessly politicize anything that they think will make people the tiniest bit angry.

Things like the NSF, NASA, and other research that is done by the federal government is such a small fraction of the federal budget, and it pays off hugely in the long run.

[Scia No.2219329]

>>2219323
good thing the private sector is starting to take over spaceflight

no funding fluctuation and bullshit space plans made by politicians

Just cheap spaceflight

Free enterprise fuck yeah

[Anonymous No.2219333]

Can't we dedicate that money to stem cell research? We could solve a bunch of problems with that, and war is stupid.

[Anonymous No.2219342]

The ENTIRE economy has come directly from basic research, and yet we threaten to cut the already piss-poor funding, while giving hundreds of billions to bankers.

Really, think about it: basic research has given us our entire economy. Integrated circuits and lasers alone revolutionized the world.

[Anonymous No.2219343]

>>2219329
The idea of any government agency being forced to rely on the private sector scares the shit out of me. Companies can't be trusted to have any integrity without serious outside oversight. Hopefully NASA will get their own space flight program up and running soon.

[Anonymous No.2219344]

>>2219308
>>2219316
Then why are LHC and ITER in Europe, and why is it called ISS?

The American economy is pretty big and major universities can still attract international talent, but it's gonna change in Sarah Palin's America, youbetcha'

[Anonymous No.2219345]

>>2219289
#3 in RAPE

SIGNING IN

[Anonymous No.2219354]

>>2219342
not to mention vaccines, syringes and the motherfucking human genome project

[Anonymous No.2219356]

>>2219289
I wonder which of those are per capita, and which aren't.

[Anonymous No.2219358]

>>2219308
>>2219308
>>2219308
>>2219308

Go to www.physorg.com, it is a great website for cutting edge developments in all fields of science.

Now read some articles, look at who are making the breakthrough discoveries. many are happening at American institutions, but by Americans? I think not.

[Anonymous No.2219383]

this is why pure democracy is utter nonsense

the average idiot - that includes myself and most other people - isn't qualified to decide what is and isn't an important government expendature outside of their own field of expertise, if they have one at all

[Anonymous No.2219387]

>>2219383
Don't worry, the "votes" here are even less binding than campaign promises.

[Anonymous No.2219393]

>>2219316
>I kicked some serious ass back in the 60's, you punk

[Anonymous No.2219403]

>>2219356
Whichever one causes the US to look worse, probably.

[Anonymous No.2219402]

>>2219162
Wow, I though you were fucking joking. Republicans are way more fucking retarded then I hard realized.

[Anonymous No.2219396]

>>2219383
Neither are members of Congress. That's why we should have a technocracy.

[снайпер No.2219408]

>>2219343
It's worse than that.

Corporations are powerful enough now that the profit they earn in a year exceeds the GDP of entire countries.

Exxon Mobil Revenue /2008 - ~300 billion
Finland GDP /2009 - ~238 billion

Exxon Mobil Net Income /2008 - ~20 billion
Estonia GDP /2009 - ~19 billion

[Anonymous No.2219412]

>>2219396

yeah, you build the infrastructure and legal basis to accumulate the power and then Sarah Palin takes over ....

[Anonymous No.2219428]

>>2219383

Food for thought:

A little over a year ago when the Czech Republic was President of the EU, they had a vote of no confidence in their own government, the government in power lost the vote which effective dissolved the current government. Because of the EU presidency they needed government immediately and could not wait for an election and campaigning to happen. So what did they do?

They took the citizens from the top of their fields in certain areas (doctors, lawyers, financial planners, etc etc.) and created a governing body out of these everyday people at the top of their field.

How did they preform? Many people agree that it was the best government the Czech Republic has ever seen.

[Anonymous No.2219429]

>>2219344
that stung man, that really stung

[Anonymous No.2219437]

>>2219428
yeah, and now they're all blathering politicians

[Anonymous No.2219444]

>>2219437

Clearly you know nothing about this, go play with your toys, the adults are talking.

[Anonymous No.2219450]

>>2219444
sigh, I was implying the age old concept of "power corrupts"

[Anonymous No.2219453]

>>2219450

Do a little research, you will find it was not such a case here.

[Anonymous No.2219458]

>>2219453
yeah, after a year, sure

[Anonymous No.2219705]

>>2219428
that's nice but to fundamentally transform the system you need to take over more than just the executive branch of government

[Anonymous No.2219721]

>Great idea. NPR, PBS, Department of Education(created by Jimmy Carter to fund and spread marxism,) EPA, Department of No Energy......I'm sure there is much more. These are all unconstitutional agencies to bully people. NO MORE!
>aprilnovember811 1 month ago

[Anonymous No.2219750]

Cut NSF?
But that means no Bill Nye the Science Guy!