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2198581 No.2198581 [Reply] [Original]

So /sci/ let's preform a little thought experiment.

Assume I'm blind, and have been so from birth

you have to explain to me what green looks like.

How do you do this?

I doubt you could.

But does that mean green doesn't exsist?

No, it simply means I can't sense it.

This is very simlar to /sci/'s afflication.

You're God blind /sci/. You can't sense the Lord around you, and try as we might, those of us with functioning senses can not explain to you what your disability has stolen from you.

>> No.2198592

Hi troll! Time to eat already? Sorry, I've got no peanuts today.

>> No.2198593

>It's easy. Green looks like this. All I have to do is say ">" first and then speak.
>Now blind people can hear green.

Where's your god now?

>> No.2198595

>>2198581

While I agree with you, it is unkind to point /sci/'s sickness. Never having the sense they will argue it diesn't exsist even as those around them continue to describe it

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>>2198593

>> No.2198605

>>2198592

It amuses me how you accuse people of trolling as a defense mechanism.

Some truth is painful, huh?

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>> No.2198613

>>2198593
>But, you ask, how do you say '>' ?

>Easy. '>'

>> No.2198614

>>2198606

reation images

jokes

but of course no actual counter argument

What else does one expect though?
Admitting our limitations is hard.

>> No.2198626

>>2198605
What truth? When I completely tear apart your argument:
>>2198593
...you can't still claim to be right.

>> No.2198629

Saging in a troll thread!

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>>2198605
the image you posted to start this thread is a "trollface".
that's really all there is to say on the matter.

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>> No.2198638

I'm saying this is not a troll, but relly I'd like this bullshit explained

>> No.2198641

just because humans have capacity for belief, that doesn't mean you should fall for the first retarded religion that comes along.

>> No.2198644

>>2198632
/thread

>> No.2198646

>>2198638
What do you want explained exactly?

>> No.2198649

Anyone blind has no use for green
Anyone thinking has no use for gods

If there was a divine being why would it create something that can not see it and then punish it for being blind? Is god mentaly three years old?

>> No.2198650

>>2198646

How do you know if something exsist if you can't sense it?

>> No.2198658

>>2198581

Learn about confirmation biases. You can't take your feelings as evidence.

>> No.2198660

Green is the grass, the healthy plants, their leaves, and all of our envy.

>> No.2198662

>>2198638
Basically, the claim is that exactly one religious sect has a God sense that no one else has, not even other theists or relapsed theists.

I have a bullshit sense that the OP is lacking, or he'd sense it all over his post.

>> No.2198664

>>2198649

Who said he punishes you?

Oh that's right. Your objection to God is not a rational objection about that which can not be known

It a teenage angst reaction to "Mom and Dad's bullshit"

By God you assumed Christianity

Nice to expose your emotion reasoning.

>> No.2198676

>>2198664

Dude chill. All religions suck. Christianity is just prominent in the west, and therefore most theists we encounter are christfags.

We're not too friendly to islam either; at least the christfags dont engage in lynching.

>> No.2198677

>>2198650
A better question is, why would you have any reason to believe something you can't sense. Now, I hear you shouting:
>BUT, BLOIND POEPEL CANT GREEN LOL
Not with their eyes, but it is possible for them to infer that light exists, that it has different wavelengths, and that one of them corresponds to what we call "green" by means of equipment.

If nothing - no equipment or special techniques or anything - can act as evidence for something, then you shouldn't believe in it.

>> No.2198679

>>2198662

Who's claiming that?


Everybody can see green, yet not everybody agrees about its beauty or its cultural meaning, yet the exsistence of green itself isn't in dispute.

>> No.2198683

>>2198664
Do you know what happens to people who do not believe in god according to "his" holy book?

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>>2198664

Ad-hominems convince nobody; /sci/ is trained in the art of faggotry detection.

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If there was a blind man who never experienced color and you told him to "believe in green" he would not have the ability to believe in it other than the fact that everyone else is already doing it.

But, while he cannot sense green, if he was able to conduct some sort of test that proved the visible light spectrum to him, and realize that there is a wavelength that produces a color to the human eye known as "green", then he could at least know colors exist.

We aren't going to believe in god unless there is evidence for it, and the way you have religion set up is that he cannot be proven false so already an experiment on such a theory is pointless.

>> No.2198690

>>2198664
And out come the ad hominems "only teenagers trying to rebel are atheists!" The main reason people on this board mention Christianity first is because it is the most prevalent religion of the west which is where I would assume almost every user on here lives. We still think all religion is bullshit, its just easiest to speak about Christianity because it is what everyone is most familiar with.

>> No.2198692

Green is just the kind of light that doesn't get absorbed by an object.

>> No.2198695

>>2198677

the equitment can sense wave lengths of light associatated with green but it can not sense green.

It cannot convey the experience of green.

Just as you can sense the world around you but the experience of Godn is forever lost to you

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>Mfw if you look at the image closely there is a nice present for you

>> No.2198700

>>2198695
The trolling is strong with this one, "Maybe if I just ignore everything they said and repeat myself again and again they will believe me!"

>> No.2198705

>>2198690


Sure it is.

and that's why you make assumptions even though nobody implied that they were true.

You argue agianst Christianity meanwhile the concept of God is far from being disproven.

>> No.2198708

>>2198695

But with that equipment we can at least determine that there is a green and there are colors.

Right now all we have going for God is "because".

Why am i posting i already saw the troll face in the image

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>>2198696
2 minutes in Paint later......

>> No.2198712

>>2198705
And its far from being proven as well, and the natural position about anything that can be neither proved nor disproved is disbelief.

>> No.2198721

>>2198712
Yeap. Null hypothesis, motherfuckers.

>> No.2198725

>>2198710
Yeah, yeah, everyone with a brain noticed that. Jesus, you're the one being trolled the hardest, you know. Trolled by the trolled masses.

>> No.2198745

>>2198695
>It cannot convey the experience of green.
Actually, we probably can.
Hook up scanners/etc to a seeing man's brain and check what the brain does when someone is seeing/thinking/remembering green.
Induce that activity in a blind man.
Tada.

>> No.2198758

We cannot see anything past or below visible light on the electromagnetic spectrum but we know the rest exist.


Get on my level.

>> No.2198761

Exactly. When they've found a way to disprove the invisible pink unicorn they can call on us to disprove god.

>> No.2198774

>>2198745

maybe we canuse this to convey to you what the experience of God is like

>> No.2198780

>>2198690

Once agian it's emtional reasoning

If it wasn't you'd feel no need to jump in this obvious troll thread

Your anti-relgious zealotry assumes me deeply

>> No.2198784

>>2198761

More emotional arguments made out of fear

>> No.2198787

>>2198774
Hehe....but first you'd have to convince us to let you hook up machines to our heads to let us 'feel god', when really you;ll just be stimulating some pleasure nerves....good luck with that.

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>>2198784
>Implying your entire argument isn't emotional

>> No.2198793

>>2198774
Actually we have learned exactly what causes so called "religious experiences" and can create them at will. If anything this shows that the religious experiences so many people tout as their reason for believing in god is nothing more than a chemical reaction in their brain which if anything takes away from the concept of god, not points in its favor.

>> No.2198795

>>2198649

>punish it for being blind?

Somebody secretly fears hell

and clings to their athiesm for a security blanket

>> No.2198797

Hey, OP
Go watch the movie Mask
Then tell me you can`t describe colours to blind people

>> No.2198800

>>2198790

How so?

I'm discussing the nature of experience.

>> No.2198807

>>2198800
No you are just talking out of your ass and throwing around ad hominem without making any real points.

>> No.2198810

>>2198793


>nothing more than a chemical reaction in their brain

the experience of green is nothing ,ore than a chemical reaction in your brain as is every experience.

So you''d argue that nothing is real then?

>> No.2198816

>>2198810
Just keep clinging to your shitty argument.

>> No.2198817

>>2198807

I made my argument I'm responding to ad hominem based on assumption(as opposed to focusing on the discussion at hand) by pointing out your deep emotional investment that keeps you from approaching the subject rationally.

>> No.2198819

>>2198810

Perception of colour takes place in the brain, stimulated from actions that take place outside.

Are you thick or something?

Both perception in the brain's neurons and the stimulus exist.

>> No.2198823

goddamit sciborgs cant you see this is a troll thread?!!!

>> No.2198825

green looks like the smell of fresh cut grass

also the smell of good weed. -op is colour blind fag

>> No.2198827

>>2198816

My argument's shitty?

You've yet to make an argument that dispoves mine.

If relgious experience isn't real because it's the result of neurological activity then nothing is real.

>> No.2198836

>>2198823

their emotion clouds their reason

The atheistic religions tend be like that.

>> No.2198839

>>2198819

hooking someone up to a machien to see what happens to their brain during a religious fantasy or something and produces a chemical reaction just means you are thinking.

Honestly you can probably get a more interesting reaction in your brain from sex and drugs. I know its a troll thread but i still feel like i need to be able to answer all arguments.

>> No.2198841

i don't get why people bump this . . . It's obviously a troll thread.

>> No.2198845

>>2198839

Once agian that applies to all experience whether observing the results of a scientific experiment or experiencing God.

I guess that means that science is as false as the experience of God.

>> No.2198848

>>2198841

It's the emotional investment that Atheists have in their religion.

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Hurf durf, seeing something is the only form of empirical evidence. All right OP, I'm feeling generous so open up your gluttonous troll piehole and dig in. In response to your thought experiment I've devised one of my own, consider two people, one blind and one not, who are given the task of navigating a hallway which at several points splits in two with one path leading to a dead end and the other leading to the next junction. At each junction the dead end is clearly marked in green, as illustrated. The person who can see would have no trouble reaching the end in little time, while the blind person would end up heading down the wrong path half the time. Now say instead of a blind person and non-blind person this test were performed with a theist and an atheist and that instead of the dead end being marked in green, the theist must ask god which way to go at each junction. Would the theist demonstrate the same kind of advantage over the atheist as a person who can see would over a blind person? I highly doubt it, but if you truly believe that god can be empirically proven then feel free to try this experiment yourself.

In addition I would like to point out that according to your logic, god himself decided to make atheists incapable of observing him, and as such there would be no reason for them to be punished.

>> No.2198851

A mod should really delete this shitty fucking thread

>> No.2198853

>>2198845

Science flies us to the moon
God lets us pray instead of fixing our problems.

>> No.2198854

green isn't real

>> No.2198857

>>2198851
>/sci/
>mods

laughingwhores.jpg

>> No.2198860

>>2198606
In Piaget's stages of cognitive development, science can be taught to twelve year olds. Religion cannot be understood but by adults.

>> No.2198861

you're all missing the point of the argument

>> No.2198867

>>2198853

So because a phenomenon(God) doesn't behave the way you think it should it isn't real?

Thst's like saying thrust has sent us to the moon but gravity has kept us on earth, so gravity isn't real.

>> No.2198872

>>2198816
>too dumb to understand qualia

>> No.2198877

>>2198850

of course this has happened.

God has marked the way towards exsistence and human beings continue to exsist. So thi experiment has already been done numerous times.

>there would be no reason for them to be punished.

Once agian who mentioned punishment?

You fear of hell is showing.

It must be awful to so deeply fear something that you must reject its exsistence because you can not cope with reality.

>> No.2198887

Op is fucking God damn idoit.

any sensor can detect green

>> No.2198890

>>2198860

If you say so, but either way religion, at best, appeals only to those stuck in Kohlberg's conventional stage of moral development (i.e. don't do x because god says it's wrong).

>> No.2198891

>>2198877

Whereas you, on the other hand, reject the ACTUAL reality of mortality and oblivion because you never came to terms with it.

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Delicious (blatantly) false comparison is delicious.

Go suck a cock, OP.

>> No.2198905

>>2198877
>your fear of hell is showing

Your fear of death is showing.

>> No.2198909

>>2198891


I'm an annihaltionist I don't know what you're on about.

>> No.2198915

>>2198890

Which shows you've never heard of the holy ghost.

>> No.2198921

>>2198905

Why would I fear death?

I know what comes after.

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Trolls Spotted!

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>>2198921
Yeap.

Sweet, sweet oblivion.

Now go be an martyr

>> No.2198934

ITT: /sci/ gets trolled hard

>> No.2198939

>>2198933

as I said

>>2198909

Now the real question is why do you fear hell?

>> No.2198941

>>2198890
This is true of some people, but then again it is true of some secular humanists as well.

>> No.2198952

>>2198915
Pleease explain.

>> No.2198955

>>2198934

The same goes for every thread on /sci/, what's your point?

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>>2198836
>their emotion clouds their reason
>The atheistic religions tend be like that.
Have you ever considered a career in comedy?

>> No.2198963

>>2198921

Why would I fear hell?

I know it doesn't exist.

>> No.2198964

For the love of Green you people are stupid. Stop feeding the trolls.

>> No.2198967

>>2198956

It's not a joke.

Which is proven by the fact the so many feel compeled to reply to an obvious troll thread.

They just can't help themselves.

They have to try to convince others of their convictions in order to convince themselves.

>> No.2198971

>>2198963

Sure you do.

If you repeat that to yourself enough you'll start to believe it.

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>>2198967
Dude, that's hilarious. Seriously, why are you putting that shit here? You could make millions off the stuff you write!

>> No.2198985

>>2198978

reply and sage

pretend you have no emotional investment

>> No.2198986

http://www.4chan.org/rules#sci
>3. No "religion vs. science" threads.

Hi. Just a friendly reminder for you all to stop being flamboyant faggots.

>> No.2198993

>>2198986
eh....you're right. I'm going to start reporting all this guy's shit.

>> No.2198995

>>2198986

You'd think /sci/ would grow tired of religion winning so much.

>> No.2199001

lolwut?

human can't sense infrared light but still can prove it.
/thread

>> No.2199003

>>2198952
>>2198952
>>2198952

>> No.2199004

>>2198993

hahahaha

>MAKE THE IDEAS I HAVE NO ARGUMENT AGIANST GO AWAY

Atheism is the easiest religion to troll.

>> No.2199005

>>2198995

Look, sir! Trolls!

>> No.2199008

>>2198581
Green is a colour that generally represents life and/or energy.
It also can be easily done by combining another 2 colours, yellow and blue.
(Is the same for blind people and aliens.)

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>>2198995
Dude, I'm telling you! Get into the comedy industry! Write some stuff up and submit it to....someone important, I guess....and bam! Money and bitches everywhere!

>> No.2199014

>>2198971

If you repeat that there's a life after death en...

Alright screw it, when are we going to cut the crap and just fuck? The sexual tension is killing me.

>> No.2199021

>>2199013

>>2198967

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>>2199008
>(Is the same for blind people and aliens.)
Can't even troll properly.....that's just pitiful

>> No.2199033

>102 posts and 15 image replies omitted. Click Reply to view.

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>>2199021
I deliberately ignored that, waiting for the exact right moment to use this pic....

>> No.2199049

>>2199043
>>2198967

Yet God remains as real as green.

>> No.2199055

>>2199049
No, stupid, HULK is green!

>> No.2199076

>>2199055

I find it funny that you can sage and make no argument.

>> No.2199081

>>2199076
>>2199055


really I haven't seen anyone point out why this is illogical.

>> No.2199087

>>2199076
Hulk is green.
Hulk is not real.
Therefore, green is not real.

This is the strength of the arguments laid before me.

Now, explain to me in great detail why I should argue with you when you're too stuck up to admit you're already wrong.

Also, Null Hypothesis.

>> No.2199096

>>2198986
>1. 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'
>2. 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'
>3. 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.'
>4. 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.'
>5. 'Honor your father and your mother.'
>6. 'You shall not murder.'
>7. 'You shall not commit adultery.'
>8. 'You shalt not be a faggot and post on /sci/'
>9. 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.'
>10. 'You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.

>8

>> No.2199108

>>2199087

you start from with an assumption and then work backwards to prove it

That's fine, but maybe /sci/'s not the board for you.

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>>2199108
>you start from with an assumption and then work backwards to prove it
Says the christfag fueled by circular logic.....

However, if not christfag, I found my proof (the great deal of suffering in this world, the irrationality of religious texts, the vast unneededness of a divine creator, scientific theories and evidence, so on and so forth) many years ago, and have been extrapolating from there ever since.

>> No.2199156

OP you don't even fully understand what you are saying.

Most of us are perfectly willing to concede that perhaps you have some way of "sensing" a god that we don't, even if we are HIGHLY doubtful (understatement).

But even then, you claim that you are not basing it on belief, you are basing on some "sense" that you have...
So how can you then blame us for having a "disability" as you put it?

You want us to believe, while you claim to have a tangible method of "sensing" god... this doesn't make sense.

That being said.. do you really claim to have a "sense" of god?