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>One notable early finding, Ms. Phillips said, is that teachers who incessantly drill their students to prepare for standardized tests tend to have lower value-added learning gains than those who simply work their way methodically through the key concepts of literacy and mathematics.
>“Teaching to the test makes your students do worse on the tests,” Ms. Phillips said. “It turns out all that ‘drill and kill’ isn’t helpful.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/11/education/11education.html?ref=us

As if this is a surprise to anyone.

>> No.2188124

Whose bright idea was it to base funding on standardized test scores in the first place?

>> No.2188141
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Glad there's research proving what anyone who grew up in that system has known all along.

>> No.2188208

>>2188124
Because its "standard" whereas an A in one school could mean shit compared to an A in another school in the same subject, making it impossible to evaluate a school's education based on the grades they give their students.

>> No.2188233

>the american educational system is broken

[sarcasm]WELL I'LL BE DAMNED.[sarasm/]

>> No.2188296

>>2188208
You're assuming grades are the only way to judge performance or determine how funds should be distributed.

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>>2188124
Mine, I know I know. What a brilliant idea right?

>> No.2188349

>>2188296
I'm open to a better solution.

>> No.2188383

>>2188349
Off the top of my head you could probably look at things like graduation rates, and what those graduates go on to do afterward. Are most of them going to prestigious universities or entering the military because they can't find a job in the current economy? It's less convenient, but I imagine gives a much better picture of the school's performance.

>> No.2188436

>>2188383
That would mean funding would lag about 4 years behind any academic changes that were made, since they wouldn't see results until the freshman class graduated.

And many people might decide not to go to college, all might imply is how good a school is at encouraging higher education, which may be independent of their actual teaching effectiveness.

>> No.2188595

>>2188436
There is no such thing as a perfect solution of course. That was just one idea I was throwing out there. I don't think your second bit of criticism is valid though. Just because a school might encourage students to go to college doesn't mean they'll actually do so, or even want to try. The actual amount that do go on to college, and how good those colleges are should be a good indicator of academic ability.