What you studied - What you expected - What you got

[Anonymous No.2184055]

It's that time again.

[Anonymous No.2184060]

Double degree, Psych/Comp major.

[Anonymous No.2184085]

Nobody?

[Anonymous No.2184093]

[Anonymous No.2184114]

>>2184093
High-school detected.

[Anonymous No.2184123]

>>2184114

definitely, my calc ab class is already past this..

[Anonymous No.2184124]

>>2184093

Not even complex analysis or differential equations...

[Anonymous No.2184136]

oblg

[Anonymous No.2184137]

>>2184123
>>2184114
>>2184124
Do you guys feel better about yourself now?

[Anonymous No.2184158]

This is why I want to go into psychiatry.

Captcha: their Weepaste

[Anonymous No.2184160]

>>2184158

Or neuroscience. (samefag here.)

[Anonymous No.2184173]

[Samefag !SHjzCSZsqE No.2184209]

[Anonymous No.2184260]

>>2184158
>>2184160
Neuroscience is less so, but psychiatry is basically Psych + med degree, so yeah, hot girl central.

Bachelor of Arts majoring in Psychology is THE definitive Trophy Wife degree.

[Anonymous No.2184331]

[Anonymous No.2184355]

bump

[Anonymous No.2184382]

I spent 3 minutes making this.

And four years doing it ;_;

[Anonymous No.2184393]

I did really enjoy the use of autocad for my one year of studies. I can't wait to study it further and maybe get closer to some of what I expected at first.

[Anonymous No.2184395]

>image 1: text saying computer science
>image 2: a room filled with people on computers
>image 3: an empty room with writing on the chalkboard
>image4 : rage face

[Anonymous No.2184409]

[Anonymous No.2184431]

>>2184409
>mfw i had the oppotunity but i threw it away

[Anonymous No.2184438]

>>2184382
>>2184382
it's ok bro we can still be cowboys

[Anonymous No.2184480]

True story.

I'm not done with my studies yet, though.

[Anonymous No.2184505]

>>2184382

Jesus Christ, I got that book!

[Anonymous No.2184534]

>>2184209
What I Expected: Mad Scientist
What I Got: Sally the King Cobra Wasp.

[Anonymous No.2184595]

>>2184409
I know it's a meme and all, but I don't feel like that at all as a Mathematics major. The more I study the subject, the more hopeless I become in regards to reacquiring my sanity. This subject has drained so much of me psychologically that I cannot even fathom becoming a PhD candidate. Despite this inability to foresee my mentality, which I believe will be delicate and precarious at best, I have yet to choose another academic path. It is the subject which has given me the most joy, and is currently one of the most fulfilling facets of my life.

Sadly, however, it is also one of the most psychologically detrimental.

>>2184480

I loved Philosophy in the beginning, but became disinterested in the subject after I began to feel the effects of depression from studying it so intensely. The information you discover can send you into a psychological frenzy, and coerce you to question absolutely everything. For me, philosophy almost pushed me to the fringe of sanity simply because I began rationally denouncing everything in my life. Aristotle states that reason leads the path of virtue; I've also learned that reason can also make your life absolutely miserable. It's good to have a balance.

[Anonymous No.2184608]

>>2184160
Neurosciencefag here. You still have to go three four years of standard Psychology with just Neuro electives in Australia. It's not until Masters that I'll get to really start focusing on the brain. I have an entire class on the history of psychology, stuff that should just be annotated in other classes - not an entire class in itself.

[Anonymous No.2184613]

yup

[Anonymous No.2184623]

I don't know what undergraduate course I should take. I'm very anxious. Feels bad man.

[Anonymous No.2184631]

>>2184595
Wow, same here. Used to be chemistry, then applied, now pure (with chem minor). Not only is it draining, but every second that I waste I feel like my brain is being ripped open... I'm losing a phd race because there are people already so ahead of me (I started math late, didn't take any ap calc classes, plus I didn't program until I was 20).

I feel so inferior and hate myself for all the time I wasted. I have mild OCD... when something goes completely wrong I say 'fuck it' and screw it ALL up. Like today I woke up at 2 pm and thought it was hopeless, so i just went on 4chan all day instead of studying for an ODE analysis class. I'm so fucking screwed. I feel like I'm always not doing enough. And I'll never truly understand my subject... because i got such a late start...

I wasted so much time with chemistry and I have to work 20 hr/week, but I'm still thankful that compared to many others, I have the chance to study. It's just that this field feels like it's all or nothing- and i'm stuck in the middle. I can't make up the time to dedicate my life to studying, i feel like once i get to grad level i'll fucking fail. sometimes it takes me hours to solve one problem, and it's normal, but i'm always anxious that i'll fail, though i rarely do.

it feels like i'm being yelled at all the time for wasting time, and though i never cry and haven't done so since i was 8 i'm a coward inside, i freaking cry all the time inside because i don't believe it can do it. i love my equations but it seems like I'M NOTHING BUT A POSER.

.... looking back on what i typed i think it's better if i never have kids

[Anonymous No.2184644]

[Anonymous No.2184647]

>>2184595
Oh god, plx help me study partial differential equations o_o

[Anonymous No.2184648]

[Anonymous No.2184651]

[Anonymous No.2184654]

>>2184648
shit, I'm going to go sing up for a Biochem class

[Anonymous No.2184661]

Everythings awesome

[Anonymous No.2184664]

>>2184661
>1292030110161.jpg

[Anonymous No.2184678]

>>2184664

>>>2184661
>1292030110161.jpg

Explain yourself.

[Anonymous No.2186473]

>>2184661
>mfw he saved over my Computer Science pic with his crappy cinematography

[Anonymous No.2186829]

captcha: huffery masters

the masters of huffery

[Anonymous No.2187333]

>>2184651

learn to QWQWQW holding the W until he touches the ground... I got to the 100 metres. However, it will take quite a long time.

[Anonymous No.2187438]

>>2184382
>mfw I'm in my final year of sociology

I really enjoy political sociology and a lot of the social theory/philosophy, but it seems like I'm surrounded by a bunch of stupid twats who only want to talk about race, gender, and economic status.

And not even in a well-developed way. It's always the most simplistic way possible, despite great topics.

[Anonymous No.2187461]

>>2184093
That's not "studying or doing math."
That's "learning math."
There's a huge fucking difference.

[Filenamefag !gzv4si5.ww No.2187493]

Fuck yeah, life is getting better!

[Anonymous No.2187586]

>>2184595
Are you me?

[Anonymous No.2187712]

Does anyone know where can I find more of these?...I find them hilarious.

[Anonymous No.2187840]

>>2187712
BUMP CUZI NETERSTESGFDSFSDFSDF

[Filenamefag !gzv4si5.ww No.2187853]

>>2187712
We make them.
If you want more, go make them.

This was mine when I was pissed off about school;
this year has changed things.

[3825 No.2187875]

>>2187586

I do badly on easier math classes than I do on harder ones. Go figure.

given Rakents

[Anonymous No.2187926]

[Anonymous No.2187975]

asdf

[Anonymous No.2188000]

[Anonymous No.2188004]

Way too many philosophy majors here. You guys should be doing something important with your lives like delivering pizza.

[Anonymous No.2188007]

>>2187926
so true...

[Anonymous No.2188038]

>>2188004
>Implying anyone majors only in philosophy.
Philosophy is a great major but anyone in the major knows they're going law school or are smart enough to take on two majors.

Otherwise, would you like fries with that?

[Anonymous No.2188042]

>>2184595
>>2184631
is it possible that math and depression are somehow linked?

[Anonymous No.2188096]

>>2188042
Is it possible they're not?

[Anonymous No.2188105]

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[Anonymous No.2188165]

>>2184595
What is so psychologically draining about mathematics? I'm a math major as well and I don't feel it.

[Anonymous No.2188186]

[Anonymous No.2188232]

>>2188165
Well, there's definitely something that fucks with people (I dunno, the work load?), because fully half of the math majors I know took up smoking IN COLLEGE to try and cope with the stress.

The rest of us took up drinking. Sweet, sweet drinking.

[Anonymous No.2188277]

>>2187926

Dammit, i feel totally identified with you.

also, damn careers with women, I'm jealous

[Anonymous No.2188295]

Not exactly what I expected, but my greatest fears.

[Anonymous No.2188340]

[Anonymous No.2188441]

is there one for geology?

[Anonymous No.2188448]

>>2188441

make it yourself faggot

[Anonymous No.2188507]

feelsbadman.jpg

[Anonymous No.2188548]

>>2188507
fuck statistics. I've hated that shit since high school.

[Anonymous No.2188562]

>>2188507
Mathematician : Statistician :: Artist : Housepainter

[Anonymous No.2188571]

>>2184093
you're not actually supposed to make those unless you've done enough shit in your subject to understand what it's like overall, which you obviously haven't.

[Anonymous No.2188579]

>>2188295
The pic of a guy pulling at his hair in frustration should still be in the right column. Mathematics is elegant, beautiful, and yeah, even fun, but damned if that isn't my exact reaction when I spend hours trying to solve a particularly difficult proof.

[Anonymous No.2188593]

[Anonymous No.2188634]

Seriously, I am not pre-vet, but I have to take all of the pre-vet courses.

Education is also full of a lot of writing papers

[Anonymous No.2188655]

>>2188340
Why would you expect physics to even remotely resemble Doctor Who?

[Anonymous No.2188662]

>>2188038
>Philosophy is a shitty major because anyone in the major knows they're going to grad school or are smart enough to using it to increase their GPA.

The requirements at my university for transfer into a Philosophy major are 2.0 cumulative and a 2.0 in your major.

[Anonymous No.2188665]

>>2188655
Because there are a lot of retarded sci-fi fans who take a course in physics and end up depressed.

Fuckers don't even know that particle physics is the more interesting field.

[Anonymous No.2188671]

[Anonymous No.2188680]

Studied jurisprudence.
Thought I'd get an interesting life.
Got interesting but no life.

[Anonymous No.2188718]

Prospective math major here (highschoolfag):
I made a 5 on my AP statistics test, have the highest scores on every test in my AP calculus class, tutor afterschool, and generally find math fascinating.

I want to be a math professor, but I'm a little bit terrified about the difficulty of the material. The other day we had a grad school student come in and teach us about key points (i.e. f(x) = x), source points and sink points.

Then we learned a little bit about spiderweb diagramming or whatever it's called and Newton's method. Only 4 people in the class understood it, and I was one of them.

Should I be stressing myself as much as I do. Most of my fear comes from looking up random high-level math and going "WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT?"
Is math really as hard as it seems to me at a high-level, or am I getting scared because I'm looking at things that are way beyond my level, like a 5th grader trying to learn calculus.

If it's really going to be as impossible as it seems, I need to find a new major.

Please help, fellow math enthusiasts.

[Anonymous No.2188745]

>>2188662
The requirement to apply to the school of engineering is a 3.0 gpa cumulative, 3.1 in major, also you have to maintain that to stay in.

[Anonymous No.2188748]

>>2188718

Learning math to a PhD level is like learning ~4 new languages, except you're taught each successive language in the last language you learned.

[Anonymous No.2188761]

>>2188718
I say go for it. The absolute worst case is you give up after your 2nd year, and you'll have wasted two years.
I had to go through Computer Science to figure out I wanted to be a Math major. Wasted three years, but it was worth it just to find something.

[Anonymous No.2188782]

>>2188718
math always looks complicated when you don't understand it, however even the most complicated formula is really a bunch of simple things put together.

So yeah, math is actually incredibly simple and obvious but it builds up on itself a lot and that's why it can look like a huge mess of symbols if you don't know the building blocks.

Another important thing about going into math is if you have a good imagination (by that i mean finding the "tricks" to solve problems). A difficult problem can often be solved in a few lines if you know the trick/simplification/substitution/etc. Imagination can also mean thinking about things abstractly(for example thinking about n-dimensional objects). We all know that the shortest distance from a point to a line is given by dropping a perpendicular from the point to that line, but does this result hold in higher dimensions? (yes it does)

[Anonymous No.2188789]

>>2188718
it's perfectly fine to understand squat of what you call higher-lever math while in high school. if you in fact are that good at math in high school, there's a good chance (given I'm estimating your skills well enough) that you will do just fine (i.e. work a shitload but maybe even have good grades) in a math major. looking at things (for which you have not seen a definition yet) in a random fashion obviously can't lead to understanding anything. if you really want to see if it is something for you, you'll simply have to start with what one starts with in a math major: rigorous definitions of sets, cartesian products of sets, maps (aka functions), injectivity/surjectivity/bijectivity, complex numbers, matrices. all of that of course completely rigorous. read about that stuff, and if it suits you, go ahead!

[Anonymous No.2188798]

>>2188718
do it

of course it looks hard, it's in a language you haven't been taught yet

[Anonymous No.2188800]

>>2188782
only in very very special cases (i.e. pre-hilbert spaces). I'm smelling extreme undergrad here (maybe even high schooler wannabe math major).

[Anonymous No.2188805]

>>2188800
damnit man of course i'm talking about hilbert spaces

[Anonymous No.2188810]

>>2188718

AP courses are harder than their respective college courses.

In my experience it was like this.

AP Statistics = Elementary Statistics (Or whatever equivalent your college has)

Difficulty of AP Statistics = Difficulty of Prob. and Statistics

AP Biology = Intro to Bio I

Difficulty of AP Bio = Difficulty of Intro to Bio II

So on and so forth, everyone has told me the same thing about their AP classes being harder than the college courses.

So it seems to me like with your good grades on AP tests, you're off to a great start and you've got a good enough drive to take on any level of math that comes your way as long as you put work into it.

[Anonymous No.2188821]

Whenever this guy opens his mouth I die a little inside.

[Anonymous No.2188837]

>>2188810
The people you know must be going to shitty schools brah

[Anonymous No.2188846]

>>2188821
dat r

[Anonymous No.2188847]

>>2188805
alright then, didn't mean to insult! while we're at it, and since there aren't enough math threads on /sci/ anyway, try to prove this as a fun/quick little exercise:

If <span class="math">X[/spoiler] and <span class="math">X'[/spoiler] are topological spaces and there is a continuous surjective map <span class="math">X \to X'[/spoiler] then we have:
<span class="math">\displaystyle X \text{ separable }\Rightarrow X' \text{ separable }[/spoiler]

it's really simple, but the reason why I'm showing you this is just because i find it really neat xD

[Anonymous No.2188850]

>>2188810
lol, ap stat was nothing but stupid plug and chug, nothing like college probability/stochastic processes

[Anonymous No.2188854]

>>2188847
damnit, online tex doesn't know \text -.-
Let me rephrase: If X and X' are topological spaces and there is a continuous surjective map from X to X' then if X is separable so is X'.

[Anonymous No.2188855]

>>2188810
Its only harder because they don't have any time to study. In college, its 3 hours of classes, then go home and study of all day. Also, its college, you can stay up much later than in high school. Also theres less homework in science courses in college where as in high school you had to deal with history and english assignments.

[Anonymous No.2188857]

>>2188718
>Should I be stressing myself as much as I do. Most of my fear comes from looking up random high-level math and going "WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT?"
I'm in a phd program right now, I say this pretty often.

If you're not saying this you're either not looking for hard enough material or you're lying to yourself.

[Anonymous No.2188866]

>>2188821
can you believe it?
http://matlab-the-mixtape.ytmnd.com/

[Anonymous No.2188900]

>>2188854
I think you got that backwards, if X' is separable then X is separable.

[Anonymous No.2188916]

>>2188857
What do you suggest as far as more difficult material? Nothing my high school offers goes higher than AP Calculus AB. Are you suggesting I teach myself Calculus BC because it's something I've strongly considered (and would you suggest passing up a plausible 5 on the AB test to get a possibly lower grade on BC, a class that I had to self-teach?).

And there's no way I'm lying to myself. I did an optimization problem on my last test before we ever learned it. 5 minutes after I turned it in, our teacher said "Oops, go ahead and scratch out #whatever." I got it right. Calculus is easy in my experience.

What's hard but doable with a schedule that already barely allows me to get 6 hours of sleep a night? If I want, my teacher already told me I don't have to do homework. I do it anyway so I don't fall behind, but I have no quarrel with switching to harder material if you have any ideas.

Thanks for the input everyone. I really appreciate it.

[Anonymous No.2188929]

>>2188800
Advanced math: Simple concepts expressed with complicated terminology gradually accumulating and building upon itself for centuries until it takes 10 years of school to be able to understand what's currently being done in some tiny subfield.

The problem with math is that everything is saved. Nothing ever gets scrapped and forgotten like it does in other sciences. Students basically have to learn ALL the math that's ever been done for the last 300 years to understand what's being done right now.

[Anonymous No.2188939]

>>2184595

What do you mean it's psychologically detrimental? I love my choice of study with a passion, and it has truly defined some of my characteristics. I couldn't begin to imagine myself in a different path. Yea, there's the hours upon hours of working on 1 or 2 problems, but I love it and have fun the entire time and feel so fullfilled when I figure it out. The only thing I can think of that is detrimental is the sleep deprevation, which does definitely have a large impact on me psychologically, but my roomate who is a psychology major is just as sleep deprived. So thats true to many majors.

[Anonymous No.2188951]

>>2188939
>>2184595

ITT: Virgins.

Seriously, I've talked to 15 year old girls about Justin Bieber who were less embarassingly gushy.

[Anonymous No.2188966]

>>2188929
well not really, just because most of the research that's being done in math right now uses very advanced notions doesn't mean it's not possible to prove some deep theorems using less modern stuff. Sure wiles proved Fermat's last theorem using algebraic curves but you never know, maybe fermat did have an easier proof.

[Anonymous No.2188981]

>>2188900
nope, it's correct the way I said it.

[Anonymous No.2188999]

>>2188718
You'll love it man. High school calculus is what opened up my love for math, and it only continued to grow exponentially (lulz, get it?).

Yes, the major is hard, but think heres the thing. Even though its one of the hardest ones, I feel like I'm taking the easy way out. I'm just naturally good at it, and I enjoy it so much. So to me, it's way easier than even some of the majors that are considered "easy" My lowest grades tend to be in social science and language arts classes. And those are the classes that stress me out the most when compared to all the countless math classes I've taken.

The ONLY thing I don't like is the lack of sleep. That can really get to you sometimes.

As for the looking at higher levels of math and getting nervous, fuck, I look ahead at the next fucking chapter of our book and get nervous in almost every class. But by the time you get there, you are always prepared. I've been scared shitless going into a class because I'm flipping through the textbook the night before the first day of the quarter and not knowing anything or recognizing what anything could remotely mean. But then you learn it.

Again, I love it. I wouldn't change to a different path for anything.You sound like the kind of person who would love it too. Just do what you enjoy. You can always start with a math major, and if you end up not liking it, you can easily switch to countless other majors.

[Anonymous No.2189015]

>>2188966
>Sure wiles proved Fermat's last theorem using algebraic curves but you never know, maybe fermat did have an easier proof.

Fermat should be named King of /sci/. He is literally the world's biggest troll apart from Jesus. People will NEVER stop thinking "what if there's a simple proof?"

But actually, you can run searches of all possible proofs less than X lines long, and see that none of them lead to FLT. So I think it is known that there's no proof of FLT that is less than 500 basic steps, or something like that.

[Anonymous No.2189039]

>>2189015

You're right that Fermat probably just fucked up the proof, but no they haven't. Brute forcing all 500 line proofs would be computationally intractable.

[Anonymous No.2189049]

>>2189015
>you can run searches of all possible proofs less than X lines long

good one

[Anonymous No.2189063]

>>2188981
its not,

take two disjoint spheres and project onto one sphere. its a surjective continuous map, source is separable and target isn't.

[Anonymous No.2189108]

>>2188837

>University of Michigan
>University of Wisconsin
>Shitty schools
>mfw

[Anonymous No.2189112]

>>2189108
inb4 ivy league/UC bullshit

[Anonymous No.2189116]

here mine. spent way more time on it that i should have.

[Anonymous No.2189151]

>>2189108

Michigan is okay but Wisconsin is shit.

[Anonymous No.2189155]

>>2188939
Your roommate must be an idiot.

[Anonymous No.2189169]

i loved living in Madison. The school seemed to be on par with what one should expect from today's wal-mart- sized state institutions of learning by the herd.

[Anonymous No.2189193]

>>2189151
pic related, it's mfw you have never looked at US News and World Report and are clearly just making up bullshit

[Anonymous No.2189208]

>>2188916
>6 hours of sleep
You have a real luxury. Wait until you do 4 hours on weekdays and 12 hours on weekends.

[Anonymous No.2189235]

It started as a way to pay the bills and quickly reverted into my studying only what I was interested in.

[Anonymous No.2189261]

[Anonymous No.2189262]

>>2189151
wisconsin has one of the top 10 math departments in the country

[Anonymous No.2189639]

[Anonymous No.2189753]

Without making a gay poster, to be perfectly honest, the most useful things I learned in my undergraduate mechanical engineering career were graphic design and choice of typeface.

[Anonymous No.2189890]

>>2189753
>Without making a gay poster, to be perfectly honest, the most useful things I learned in my undergraduate mechanical engineering career were graphic design and choice of typeface.

Ironic and edgy, dude. Enjoy your refrigerator carton apartment.

[Anonymous No.2189914]

>>2189890
Not joking. Currently a graduate student studying high angle of attack aerofoils. When trying to get private money, companies judge you 90% on appearance, 10% on content. NSERC is another matter. But really, that one required communications course that taught me what the proper use of white-space has much more than outlived the usefulness of any other undergraduate course I've taken.

[Anonymous No.2190069]

>>2188718

Go for it! I'm also a highschoolfag and, seriously, teaching myself higher level math is quite possibly the most rewarding thing I've ever done (well, I'm STILL doing it). If you can understand it, it's fantastic! And if you can't? No big deal, you've not even finished Calculus yet, so it's not even expected of you.

Currently the two textbooks I'm reading are Topology, by James Munkres, and Fundamentals of Number Theory, by William LeVeque. I really heavily recommend the former, as it doesn't assume you know anything going into it. The latter I'm finding a bit tougher, but that's because I'm much, much better at topology than number theory.

Best of luck to you!

[Anonymous No.2190296]

[Anonymous No.2190317]

>>2190069

"hey look at me i think im smart lulz"

Nobody cares what you're reading kid.

[Anonymous No.2190321]

>>2190296
this is to be expected, since historical materialism is an objectively correct science

[Anonymous No.2190828]

for the math majors ITT what kind of job prospects do you have aside from academia?

i dont know what to make of the math major 300k starting either

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[Anonymous No.2190893]

>>2184613
looks like your nutrition class was allot better than mine

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[Anonymous No.2190953]

>>2187926

Lol @ Navier-Stokes

[Anonymous No.2191076]

soooo you math-students are happy abput your choise? I'm in my last school year, I'm wondering what to choose: math, physics, phylosophy or film direction...

[Anonymous No.2191251]

Only major in math if you enjoy programming. In SOCAL people assume a math major can program very well. If you do choose math make sure you are a good numerical C/Matlab programmer.

It would be better, job wise, to major in comp sci discrete math) or electrical (continuous math).