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you, now

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52XvqIBBNgo

>> No.2182170
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It is an unfortunate eventuality that all forms of less than productive and useful life forms on this planet will be extinct in the near future.
Human proliferation always comes at the expense of a decrease in their numbers.
And to think that the media only seems to be focusing on AGW.
It is the straw-man of the century.

We are a virus, one that needs to be dealt with, better sooner than later.

>> No.2182169

bamp!

>> No.2182174

>>2182170
Soon our RKV's and Beserker probes will bring swift death to ur enemies.

>> No.2182179

>>2182170

amen brother, fellow VHEM supporter here

>> No.2182207
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>> No.2182213

>>2182174
That's hardly voluntary.

>> No.2182222

>all remaining creatures will be free to live, die, evolve (if they believe in evolution), and will perhaps pass away
>if they believe in evolution
Confirmed for full-on retarded.

>> No.2182244

>We are a virus, one that needs to be dealt with, better sooner than later.
LOL
You poor, brainwashed manchild. "Good" and "bad" are uniquely human concepts. Saying that a human-free planet is "better" is a contradiction in terms.

Tigers are useful because they are apex predators that stabilize the ecologies they inhabit. We should preserve the environment because it is beneficial to humans, and for no other reason.

Also, your "virus" ideology doesn't explain why first-world birthrates have peaked and are declining. Hell, our POPULATION is declining in many first-world countries.

tl;dr Teenagers.

>> No.2182264

>>2182244
>You poor, brainwashed manchild. "Good" and "bad" are uniquely human concepts. Saying that a human-free planet is "better" is a contradiction in terms.
I never claimed that it was better.
>Tigers are useful because they are apex predators that stabilize the ecologies they inhabit. We should preserve the environment because it is beneficial to humans, and for no other reason.
Typical viral/human thinking.
Also, your "virus" ideology doesn't explain why first-world birthrates have peaked and are declining. Hell, our POPULATION is declining in many first-world countries.
It does. Our consumption doesn't simply end with out mere numbers, it is also with resources use per person. The first world consumes FAR more than the rest despite lower numbers and birth rates.
>tl;dr Teenagers.
Right.

>> No.2182267

>>2182264
>I never claimed that it (a human-free planet) was better.
ORLY?
>>2182170
>We are a virus, one that needs to be dealt with, better sooner than later.

>> No.2182278

>>2182264
>It does. Our consumption doesn't simply end with out mere numbers, it is also with resources use per person. The first world consumes FAR more than the rest despite lower numbers and birth rates.
I'm glad you value the environment and all, that's important, but I think there's two things we need to clear up.
1. Human population is going to peak this century, and environmental impacts will peak shortly after that.
2. Humans are more important than animals. The environment is only as valuable as it is valuable to humans, almost by definition.

>> No.2182312

STFU you all and help the damn tigers already

>> No.2182314

>>2182278

"Humans are more important than animals"

yes, we do indeed deserve to die...

>> No.2182315

>>2182278

ecology 101, you have failed it

>> No.2182320

>>2182314
That's not a counter-argument. But if you really feel that way, please get a head start.

Preserving the environment is important, because it's good for humans. The "virus", if any, would be the cultural notion that environmental impacts don't feed back on us negatively. It's the mentality that almost wiped out the American bison, for instance. "There's so many, surely slaughtering them wholesale for tongues and hides won't make a dent." THAT'S a virus.

But you know what? It's not inherent to humanity. You're the proof. Unfortunately, you have the opposite extreme, a cultural virus that kills humans, instead of other animals.

tl;dr The very existence of moderate environmentalists means your "humans are da virus" is retarded.

>> No.2182321

>>2182315
Ecology 101, you stopped there.

>> No.2182343

>>2182321

ecology 101, it all rests upon it

no ecology, no economy

fail yet again you sir

>> No.2182344

>>2182244
>Tigers are useful because they are apex predators that stabilize the ecologies they inhabit. We should preserve the environment because it is beneficial to humans, and for no other reason.


atheist nihilist white college nerd detected

>> No.2182342

>>2182267
You still can't get past your projection of moral relativism.
I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.
>>2182278
>1. Human population is going to peak this century, and environmental impacts will peak shortly after that.
Highly arguable.
Also, you're referring to the rate at which we impact the environment might decline, but not the total amount of damage. lrn2calculus
>2. Humans are more important than animals. The environment is only as valuable as it is valuable to humans, almost by definition.
lol anthropocentrism, aren't you delightful.

>> No.2182350

>>2182344
If you can give a good reason we'd all love to hear it.

>> No.2182351

>>2182278
>2. Humans are more important than animals. The environment is only as valuable as it is valuable to humans, almost by definition.

nope.jpg

ALSO ATHEISM IS A RELIGION AND BULLSHIT

THERE IS LIFE AFTER DEATH

DEAL WITH IT, NERDS

WHY DON'T YOU ALL JUST KILL YOURSELVES

FAGGOT

THE GAME

>> No.2182353

>>2182343
You're projecting so damn hard. The man you're arguing with is NOT IN THIS THREAD. HERE is what I've said:
>The environment is only as valuable as it is valuable to humans
Is the environment valuable to humans? Then it's valuable!

>> No.2182355

>>2182244
>>2182267
>>2182278
>>2182350
Proof that society is filled with apathetic faggots.

fuck your apathy

go suck some rockefeller dick

>> No.2182363

>>2182355
Still can't provide a reason why the environment is valueable that doesn't depend on humans using it, I see.

>> No.2182364

>>2182363
Still can't prove a reason why humans are more important.
Still can't prove athiesm isn't a religion.

>> No.2182365

>>2182364
Humans are more important because we say we are. We're calling the shots here.

>> No.2182366

http://www.youtube.com/user/EpicPh4ilure

I HAVE YOUR YOUTUBE FAGGOT

TIME TO HACK A YOUTUBE ACCOUNT

FAG

>> No.2182367

>>2182351
>>2182342
Morality is only relevant in human interests. In a world with no humans, there is no "good" or "bad". Of if you'll still argue, tell me: what's good, if there's no intelligence to say so?

Also, suprise: I'm neither an atheist nor a nihilist. Nihilists say nothing has meaning or value, for starters. But that's irrelevant to this discussion. The fact that you bring it up makes me think you're just trolling.

The environment is good, because it's good for us. Conservation is good, because it's beneficial to humans. Species diversity and ecological health are important, because they make a better environment for human life.
Do I need to find a fourth way to say it before you understand me?

>> No.2182368

>>2182365
Humans aren't important because Earth says so. She's calling the shots here.

>> No.2182369

We are in the top of evolution, why shouldnt we be important? We can destroy every environment if we choose to, animals can not, we can also live anywhere in the planet

>> No.2182372

>>2182367
But what if I do this to keep the animals alive and the earth healthy and shit? and not for humans?

EXPLAIN THAT

>> No.2182373

>>2182368
Earth lacks intelligence. The same for the universe. Everything that we can take and use is ours, to do with as we please.

>> No.2182374

>>2182369
>we can live anything in the planet
>in the planet
>in

I don't think we are at the top, because of people like you.

>> No.2182378

>>2182367
Oh FFS, I'm not discussing whether it is good or bad.
Get over yourself.

>> No.2182375

>>2182368
in after Earth-mother cultist bullshit.
Also,
>Humans aren't important because Earth says so.
[citation needed]

>> No.2182377

>>2182373
>myface when edgy atheist teenagers everywhere

>> No.2182380

>>2182372
I'd say you haven't thought out your system of priorities and motivations very thoroughly. Saying your interests are secondary to those of baboons is disingenuous - you don't actually act that way.

>> No.2182381
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>>2182377
>my face when you resort to using an ad hominem because you can't think of a real response

>> No.2182382

>>2182377
You know how I know you're a troll? Theism/Atheism isn't relevant here.

>> No.2182383

>>2182380
>hurf durf i r hardcove evolutionist
>hurf durf why am i getting trolled hard
>hurf durf its because i r hardcore evolutionist

>> No.2182385

>>2182374
That's a fairly acceptable use of the grammer, though unusual. Besides, it's a one-letter, next-key-over typo away from being the more normal form ("on the planet"). You're grasping at straws and resorting to ad-hominem.

>> No.2182386

>>2182373
Basically this, it's just nature does have limits so we should be careful we don't step on our own toes.

>> No.2182387

ITT: Gaiafag radical environmentalists told hard and butthurt

>> No.2182388

>>2182377
>Deny a sense of objectivism
>Get called an atheist
Oh Christians, you so crazy.

>> No.2182391

>>2182374

Even though english is not my first language, seems like you got my point, so I win this one. If you cant pull a good argument and have to play the grammar nazi its not my problem, just remove yourself from the discussion.

>> No.2182393

>>2182386
>we should be careful we don't step on our own toes.
Exactly. Protecting the health of the environment is in OUR own best interest. The planet has no "interests". The radical environmentalists ITT seem to disagree, but also seem unable to form an argument.

>> No.2182394

OP HERE

I TROLLED ALL OF YOU WITH THE MOTHER EARTH AND ATHEIST SHIT

LOL THE GAME U MAD

I TROLLED U ALL GOOD

I AM MASTER TROLL

>> No.2182399

>>2182387
You fail hard because even in accordance with your own world view, environmental degradation is harmful to humans.

>> No.2182400

>>2182394
I can't tell if you're mocking OP, or if you're OP being a failtroll. Either way, it seems to fit.

>> No.2182405

>>2182399
>You fail hard because even in accordance with your own world view, environmental degradation is harmful to humans.
I fail hard because.... what now? Because I said environmental protection is important for human interests? Yes, I think that. What's the problem here? I don't think you're thinking very clearly.

>> No.2182406

>>2182400
lol COLLEGE WHITE NERD

I'LL BEAT YOU UP

I'M THE MAN THAT BEATS THE SHIT OUT OF YOU EVERYDAY YOU LITTLE NERD

>> No.2182410

If it was the opposite and the oceans were ruled by super intelligent dolphins they would still keep fucking up the planet.

Intelligence is a dangerous weapon and it doesnt make a difference who the owner is

>> No.2182420

>>2182410
>implying they don't

THEY ARE PREPARING FOR WAR

>> No.2182421

>>2182410
>they would still keep fucking up the planet.
No, the intelligent thing is to protect a nominal level of environmental integrity, as it's good for the intelligent species. Which we're doing.

>> No.2182424

>>2182406
>college = elementary school, where beatings don't automatically result in assault charges
cool story bro

>> No.2182430

>>2182421
>>2182421
>No, the intelligent thing is to protect a nominal level of environmental integrity, as it's good for the intelligent species. Which we're doing.


ahahah no.

>> No.2182431

>>2182353

well shit, I want to fight that other guy then, bring him back! lul

>> No.2182435

>>2182421

not really, imagine you are given 2 options, eat half the amount of food you eat everyday so that your descendents have food in a future, or eat the same and save money which you will later give to your children in your deathbed? many people would choose the latter, and it an intelligent decision, because it benefits both parts, as you dont know what the future holds

>> No.2182437

>>2182435
Why the fuck would I save money? It seems like a better deal to invest it somehow. Not in a market necessarily, but in technology or some other good they could use.

>> No.2182443

>>2182430
>there's no environmental legislation or large groups of people who support conservation lalalala can't hear you

>> No.2182448

>>2182443
>>2182443
I was mostly talking about sustainability. Sorry.

>> No.2182451

>>2182448
Our economic impacts are leveling off and coming in for a landing. The modernization of the third world is the last phase left, and will be completed in this century.

>> No.2182454

>>2182451
citation needed, but we can't support everyone at this level of comfort and freedom.

>> No.2182558

>>2182405
>What's the problem here
See
>Environmental degradation is harmful to humans.