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The power of magnets.

>> No.2171637

Assuming the universe continues to expand at the present rate, in how many billion years will Graham's number be expressible by binary occupation or non-occupation of plank lengths?

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>> No.2171651

>>2171644
made me ROFLMAOTTFP

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jelly?

>> No.2171661

>>2171644
Enjoy reassembling your uncountable bits of dollar bill when it turns out the Axiom of Choice means YOU have to choose!

>> No.2171667
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Magnets, you say?

>> No.2171668

>>2171659

omg that's so friggin dumb LOL

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>> No.2171678

>>2171667
You know that just might work!

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>> No.2171690

>>2171675

That is true, unfortunately.

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>> No.2171711

>>2171704
MY BROTHER AND I TRIED THIS AND IT REALLY WORKS! BLOWING UP EARTH IS SO AWESOME TRY IT!!!!

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classics

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>>2171675

(i know, not /sci/, but)

look at the shit Sotheby's is auctioning off in two days for at least 1.5 million euros

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>>2171716
I didn't know the moon was 100,000 lightyears away.

>> No.2171748

>>2171743
I didn't know there were green aliens on the moon.
THE MORE YOU KNOW

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troll economics

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>> No.2171767

>>2171750
why doesnt this work

>> No.2171769

>>2171767
Your gold purchase does not effect gold supply.
Your gold sale does not effect gold supply.

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>> No.2171780

>>2171750

I'm pretty sure that's exactly how lots of bigshots made there money back in the 20s. It's called a pump and dump.

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>>2171769

what if you buy/sell huge quantities? like say 90% of the entire earth gold supply.

when you buy it, the market has barely any gold. price should skyrocket no?
then sell it after a while. market gets over-flooded, price goes down.

>> No.2171822

>>2171750
this doesnt work since 1945, now this is impossible

>> No.2171824

>>2171780
>>2171817
You assume the traded gold market is larger than reserves that could be traded in a seller's market. If there are reserves that will sell to exploit your expensive depression on the market, you may not sell back enough to recoup your expense. Acctually, how would you recoup your expense from a shortage you created by buying? You think people would keep buying at a higher price forever? How faster are you selling the reserve you bought? If you flood it back onto the market, the price plumets immediately.

>> No.2171827

>>2171817

No single entity owns or can own that much gold. Not even Jews.

So it's not possible.

>> No.2171829

>>2171759
Acceleration.

>> No.2171842

>>2171824

if someone used a bunch of shell corporations or whatever and bought 90% of all available gold, would the reserves even be put on the market? aren't reserves supposed to be.. reserved?

there would still be 10% of the supply still being traded. the price should go up right. then as the value increased, you could slowly/incrementally sell of your hoard through a different set of sell corporations or whatever. not at all once, but over a long period of time so the value doesn't immediately drop.

>> No.2171854

>>2171842
Private resevers. Stashs put away to be sold in just such a profitable market.

>> No.2171880

This gold business works much better when you're pumping the value of a company's stock. Then there are no reserves to worry about.

>> No.2171883

>>2171854

private reserves likely wouldn't constitute a large percentage of the gold supply, not enough to drastically devalue the gold you've hoarded.

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>>2171627
Not even close. Graham's number is so big that if every Planck volume in the universe was successively stacked exponents it would still not fit. You couldn't write the exponential notation in the universe.

FUCK this shit.

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>>2171690
A science fag, with no understanding or art? Who knew that was possible?

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>> No.2172017

>>2172009

are you sure youre getting energy out of nowhere? we dont know if universes are connected

>> No.2172022

>>2172009
You don't violate anything. The first law only holds in a closed system, an open system getting energy input from the outside may decrease its entropy as it wishes. Once you create that hypothetical wormhole, the universe is an open system, you can decrease its sum entropy with energy input from the alternate universe.

And let's gloss over the other problems, such as the traversability of the wormhole or the energy requirements in the first place.

>> No.2172032

>>2172009
No longer a closed system.

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>>2171892
>mfw almost all numbers are larger than Graham's number

>> No.2172048

>>2171759

As someone not fully equated with, as I like to call it, "this sort of thing", would anyone care to explain to my why this would not work? If necessary, cancel out that part about the ship returning to Earth

>> No.2172057

>>2172048
My physics teacher explained it by saying that only the twin in the rocket experiences the acceleration, which is where most of the effects would actually come from

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mad?

>> No.2172756

>>2172746
Goddammit.

>> No.2172781

>>2172746
Well, you'd have to contend with the body of the machine spinning in the opposite direction of the blades, but other than that, it should work. In theory, i mean.

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>>2172746

>> No.2172918

>>2171627
Ways to express Graham's number:
G
10 in "base G."
20 in base G/2
100 in base log10(G)
1000 in some other base
10000 in some other base

The point being that OP's image is dumb because "number of digits" depends on the base you use. Therefore, there is no such thing as a number that can't be "expressed in digits."

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OC

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trollface

>> No.2173059

>>2172939

Hey, that's how Samus does it!

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u = jelly

>> No.2173204

>>2172746
isn't that

i don't get it

isn't that just a helicopter?

>> No.2173250

>>2173204
thatsthejoke.jpg

>> No.2173277

>>2173204
Yes, helicopters rely on downwards aircurrent.

>> No.2173326

>>2172918

no you're dumb because you don't realize "number of digits" is obviously referring to base 10

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>> No.2173551

>>2173429
this would've been absolutely perfect if it said "ect" instead of "etc"

>> No.2173588

>>2172918
Log to base ten, then.

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oh. troll...

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>> No.2173963

>>2172918
in base G, you have to be able to express all numbers 0,1,2,...,G-1 by a single digit. Which means a "digit" would have to contain at least log_2(G) pixels. Which means in base G, every digit is larger than the universe.

>> No.2174022

>>2171659
I can't tell what is being accomplished here.

>> No.2174050

bump for more troll pics

>> No.2174069

>>2174022
one of the nobel prize winners of 2010 got it for using sellotape to make two-dimensional graphene

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>>2174069
>two-dimensional graphene

Wh... huh? Explain?

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>> No.2174245

>>2174208
Basically a one-atom-think piece of graphene. can do cool stuff with it

>> No.2174260

>>2174208
Don't they already do that in Iceland?

>> No.2174276

>>2174260
yep, minus the ocean-into-lava stuff.

>> No.2174407

>>2173204
Except that's not how helicopters work, it's just how dumb people think they work.

>> No.2174438

>>2174407
wat

>> No.2174481

>>2174245


you are a fucking moron.


graphene IS a 1 atom thick sheet of P6mmc carbon


grapHITE is a macroscopic collection of graphene sheets stacked on top of one another (in the pure crystalline state)

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>>2171736
>>2171736


This is being sold for a estimated cheap price of $8000

>> No.2174515

>>2174208
Stupid, you. We all know that obsidian is formed when water collides with lava.

>> No.2174552

>>2174501
>>2171736
Art is worth what art collectors are willing to pay for it, no use bitching.

>> No.2174602

>>2174515
At least, all of us DF players know that.

>> No.2174676

>>2174602
and autism simulator players

erm, Minecrafters.

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>> No.2174815

>>2171637
This is (indirectly) an unanswered question that cosmologists are EXTREMELY interested in answering.

- What is the behavior/size of the universe outside the speed-of-light x age-of-universe horizon?
- Is this crazy accelerating expansion/dark energy/big rip shit for real?

But in any case the answer is ALSO a number large enough that it can't be written in binary representation using every planck-cube in the known universe.

For the record:
Planck Length =~ 1.62 x 10^-35 meters
Planck Volumes/cubic meter =~ 2.44 x 10^105
cubic meters/cubic light year =~ 8.47 x 10^47
(Assume the known universe is a sphere with r = 13.5 billion light years.)
cubic light years/known universe = 2.46 x 10^30
Planck Volumes/known universe =~ 5.2 x 10^183

So we can write (in decimal notation) a number up to roughly 2^(5.2x10^183) digits long, or (more roughly still) 10^10^184.

This is almost uncomputably smaller than g1, btw.

>> No.2174863

>>2171637
Expansion of the universe shouldn't be confused with amount of matter. Even if there is more space, there isn't enough matter to write this number.

>> No.2174901

>>2174721
Psychfag here.
This is basically behavioral therapy in a nutshell.
So you are depressed huh? How about, I don't know, talking to people?
Are you anti-social? How about you stop that?
Dad died? Deal with it.

>> No.2174914

>>2174863
The question doesn't care about matter. Since it's all hypothetical anyway using space makes it a little bit more interesting because it gives a much larger result. (using available matter you get about 2^10^81, 2^10^82 if you use dark matter. I wonder how much information you could encode in a beam of ultr-low intensity light powered by all the matter in the universe as energy...)

>> No.2174974

>>2173921
This. Fucking this.

>> No.2176985

>>2174721
>my wife God raped

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Guess I can dump my troll physics collection.

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>>2171661
>mfw you think the dollar has to be in uncountable bits
banach tarski theorem only requires the ball to be cut into 4 pieces nigga. the more you know

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>> No.2177005

>>2176999
According to quantum physics, this is actually possible... So that's not troll physics.

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>>2177005
>implying quantum physics are not troll physics from God

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>>2177008
Ooh, I like that one.

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This one always sparks good discussions.

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>>2177012
Well, good...

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>>2177013
This is 4chan after all, no matter how soft it's become.

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>>2177014
I mean really, people on /g/ discussing how the swastika that occasionally appears in the banner up top is racist and evil and in bad taste? Do they have any idea where they are?

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>>2177018
kinda mad that i laughed at this one

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Damn flood detection.

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>>2177021
inorite

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This is the last one.

I have more, but I got struck by the Black Lazy once more and am now going to fap.

>> No.2177040

>>2177001
Five pieces, you can't do it in four.

Furthermore, four of the pieces require an infinite number of disjoint points. Enjoy trying to do that with things made out of atoms.

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>>2177040
you can do it in 4 cockbutt. even wikipedia knows that

>> No.2177070

>>2177040
You can do it in four, noob.

>> No.2177077

>>2171667
Gene Roddenberry cremated and his ashes were launched into space.

>> No.2177107

>>2177045
>>2177070

You need a fifth piece to deal with the axes of rotation and the center.

Wikipedia article says that you need five, too.

Way to be a dumbass, dumbass

>> No.2177109

moar

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>>2177001
>mfw you think a countable set can be unmeasurable

>> No.2177567

>>2176990
This one bugged the shit out of me when I first saw it. It's easily my favorite among all troll physics. Tough to spot the logical flaw.

>> No.2177591

>>2177567
It has no flaw.

>> No.2177596

One word. Pressure. I definitely love Troll economics theoretically there is a flaw, but in practice it is truth...just look at the gold prices over last 10yrs.

>> No.2177602

>>2177567

There's no flaw in that setup. I use one to power my yard lights.

>> No.2177623

>>2177008
fractals will fuck your shit up

>> No.2177628

>>2176990
Thank you, I was looking for this one, but there has to be a better one. The flaw is that the balls entering the bottom of the tube will be pushed out by water pressure.
The containers need to be sections of a torus and touching so that the entrance to the bottom of the tank is just a cut hole. Surely this would be better for troll physics.

>> No.2177632

>>2174208
is this a geothermal vent type of thing?

>> No.2177647

>>2174815
Yeah, because you can only type a number if you have enough space. Durr, numbers don't exist, they don't take up space, you can write Graham's number twice if you want

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>> No.2177678

>>2174815
Small correction: due to inflation, the CMBR is at about 47 billion ly, not 13.7 billion(age of universe).
This increases the volume of the universe about 40 times.

Also, for those who don't know, g1 is the first result in a recursive function that defines graham's number, with g64 being G, Graham's number.

>> No.2177775

>>2177669
>rectina

also reading in dim light really isn't all that bad for your eyes

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Bumping with OC

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More OC.

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>> No.2178848

>>2177669
clever

>> No.2178861

>>2178828

Wouldn't this IN THEORY work? I can't understand it, because if it did work its breaking the laws of physics.

>> No.2178891

>>2178861

Photons would heat up the mirrors and just seep out. Friction or something. Entropy. You always lose something.

>Chumber sacrifice,
You're not explaining this well, Captcha.

>> No.2178892

>>2178861
light would be reflected away from the mirrors and absorbed occasionally I believe. Actually a couple weeks ago, there was a recent physics experiment that did "trap photons in between mirrors" and we had a laugh about that.

>> No.2178907

>>2178892

Also, if you did pull this off succesfully, there would be no way to prove it. Ever.

>> No.2178915

>>2178907
wrong

>> No.2178920

>>2178861
With perfect mirrors, it would work, but there would only be the finite amount of light that was between the mirrors when the were slid together. Light can exist forever, it just can't multiply magically.

>> No.2178936

What about if you put a light in a box made of mirrors, turned it on then turned it off?

>> No.2178952

>>2178936

It would be a case of "if a tree falls and nobody is around to hear it; does it make a sound?" since you can't see inside the box.

Though i imagine with friction the box would eventually heat up & shatter with a flash of light, proving the experiment a success.

>> No.2178974

>>2178952
Well the photons would reflect infinitely but you could set up a tiny light recorder that records a constant stream of electrons

>> No.2178996

>>2178952
What about if you were standing in the box, but covered in mirrors except for your eyes, how long would it take for your eyes to absorb all the photons?

>> No.2179008

>>2178974
oh wow I said electrons

>> No.2179010

>>2173963
>Which means a "digit" would have to contain at least log_2(G) pixels.
Digits doesn't need to be uniformly sized, we can use our familiar 0-9 for the first ten digits, then just say "something else" for "ten" to G-1.

>> No.2179013

>>2178974
>>2178952
the light gets absorbed by the mirror as heat energy

>> No.2179025

>>2179013
's what i meant.

Goddammit I said exactly the opposite of what I meant when I said it reflects infinitely.

>> No.2179759

>>2177567
There's many flaws, the most obvious being the fact that the hollow balls would not have enough weight to produce enough force to overcome the friction of both the generator belt.

>> No.2179800

ITT: Sci hits a new low.

Half this shit wouldn't work. OPs and
>>2171659
>>2171750
>>2172746
>>2176990
>>2176999
>>2177003
>>2177024
>>2177669
>>2178828

are the only ones that are scientifically verifiable or have been proven. The rest belong on /b/.

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MORE

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>>2179800
What about this one?

>> No.2181685

>>2181654
>>2181654
>>2181654
>>2181654

EXPLAIN

>> No.2181715

>>2181685

Nonzero infinitesimals do not exist. Division by zero.

>> No.2182047

Oh god. Troll physics. loling so hard

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>> No.2182298

>>2181685
bad definition
<span class="math"> P=\frac{dF}{dA} [/spoiler]

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space trollface

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>> No.2182678

>>2171627
1 bit doesn't occupy much more volume than one plank volume on a conventional hard disk?

is that the joke?

>> No.2182740

>>2174721
so you suggest give all my friends and family members a psy-degree?

>> No.2182796

>>2181647
Reminds me of a FoxTrot comic I read... Jason figures if he glues a bunch of bouncy balls to his shoes he can jump over skyscrapers.
>>2171659
I don't get this one.

>> No.2183213

>>2182678
>1 bit

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>> No.2183280

>>2182673
wouldn't this actually work?

>> No.2183306

>>2171667
would work, but gene roddenberry was cremated and his ashes shot into space. Oh well.

>> No.2183332

>>2183280
The glass can't make itself colder with nothing to impart its energy to.

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I spent god dam 30 minutes on this fucking pic, so I am gonna dam well post it. Get ready for some OC!!

>> No.2183538

>>2183516

just like in avatar

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>>2183538
Oh no you faggot didn't

I refuse asociate this work of mine with that travesty.

I got this idea from an entirely differend source than avatar.

Fuck you!

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>>2183516
A new glorious dawn awaits.

>> No.2183600

>>2183227
>>2183233

I can't spot the logical fallacy in these two. Isn't the point of these comics that they aren't suposed to work.

>> No.2183614

>>2183538
Nuh uhh... Its more like the Borg.

>> No.2183746

>>2183274
I used to do something similar to this with reduced items on "buy one get one free" promotion. The BOGOF deduction was the value of one full-price item, so as long as the reduction brought the item to less than 50%, the cashier would actually have to give ME money (or, in practice, money off my other stuff and two free items). I think that loophole has been closed since, but it was funny while it lasted.

>> No.2183811

>>2181640

Why doesn't this work?

>> No.2183841

>>2183811
How much mass do you have?
How much mass does the chair have?
How much force would you have to generate to accelerate yourself enough to make up for all the speed you've accumulated falling at 9.8 m/s^2?

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>> No.2185817

>>2182678

If we assume 1 bit can occupy a cube with side length of 1 planck metre, and then assume that the universe is 30 billion light-years across, and perfectly spherical. If we then count up how large a number could fit in this space, we're still not even an infinitesimal of the size of graham's number.

That's the joke.

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would this work?

>> No.2188001

>>2187971
yes

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everyone = jelly

>> No.2188147

>>2187971
No. You need around 17kHz to 19kHz.14kHz is too low.
Human hearing range is 20-20 000 Hz

>> No.2188153

Our brain has more connections then Grahems number.

33 billion neurons each one with 10,000 or more connections.

Large brains FTW.

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>>2188153
>mfw our brains defy my own imagination
>mfw that means I must have a broken brain
>mfw

>> No.2188179

>>2188163
If you also consider that he's wrong, it makes more sense.

Seriously, how do you manage to breathe without fucking it up

>> No.2188184

>>2188153
No. There are only 10^80 atoms in the entire Universe, far less than Graham's number. There are more *paths* through all neurons than Graham's number, maybe, but even that seems doubtful.

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>>2188179
Why is everyone so mean to me!?

>> No.2188198

>>2188184
Dohoho. Aren't those paths made of atoms. Is the number of possible paths not writable in scientific notation.
Graham's number is only writeable with Knuth's arrow notation, mind you.

>> No.2188202

>>2188153
While our brains are indeed impressive and those numbers are correct. Graham's number exceeds our brains.