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2154251 No.2154251 [Reply] [Original]

Hey guys, can geology in to God tier?

>> No.2154257

Geology and Comp-Sci are both pretty god-tier. And Economics needs to be bumped up a slot or two.

>> No.2154264

Where did/do you go to school, OP?

>> No.2154265

Sure, why not.

Geologists help date the Earth and find natural resources.

>> No.2154270

>>2154251

only astro-geology

>> No.2154278

>Low tier: Economics
wut

>> No.2154283

>>2154265

>Geologists help date the Earth and find natural resources.

I'm not sure why, but I read this with totally different implications than what was originally meant.

Sage for totally unrelated

>> No.2154284

>>2154251

As a geology major, I say yes.

>> No.2154293

>>2154270
Yes, only the most useless geology.

>> No.2154295

what is this list base on? Last time I checked a finance degree had the most options and is the only undergrad degree you can get that gives you the chance for 6 figs starting. This is the science board though and I doubt most of you have jobs so I doubt this picture is actually about how much these people get paid, I mean you put geology and pharmacology high up. Oh and engineers make very average money.

So this is an opinion list, on how much you liked each degree? That's retarded.

>> No.2154299

>>2154278

economics is basically voodoo with a vaneer of technical jargon slapped on it, as far as I'm concerned the only problem with it being in low tier is it not being in shit tier

ps you mad

>> No.2154300

So,
God Tier = "pure" science
Shit tier = non-science
Top-low tier: everything else as determined by some basement dweller

>> No.2154303

>>2154270
It's usually called planetary geology

>> No.2154310

Oh hey, comp sci is mid tier. Alright, we'll leave. You 'god tier' types are all rightly fucked now, as well as the rest of the planet.

>> No.2154316

Sure it can.

Also Kinesiology > IT and Econ? no no no. Some other questionable rankings too.

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>>2154251
Engineering in God Tier.....LMAO

>> No.2154434

>>2154299
>economics is basically voodoo with a vaneer of technical jargon

I mad.

>> No.2154498
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2154498

Where would architecture be placed?

>> No.2154522

why is finance not god tier?

dave tepper of appaloosa management earned $4bn in 2009 using purely quantitative methods to make money off of securities.

>> No.2154527

Where is Biology?

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>>2154270

Ugh, why is that bro?

I've been around some planetary geologists and all they seem to do is masturbate furiously in their dorms.

Their curriculum is neither sufficient in geology or physics.

>> No.2154536

um biology???

or is biology lower than psychology now.

seriously?

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2154547

also womens studies needs to be bumped down at least 3 tiers to anna and nina

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>>2154295

>you can get that gives you the chance for 6 figs starting

Haha, what?

More like perform some entry-level clerical work for $38k while playing musical chairs for a corporate entity that doesn't give a shit about you and will outsource your task to some back-office management outfit in Bangladesh.

Business is probably rated lower than the various humanities, because they produce net deficits while they hemorrhage wealth to the Third World.

Plus the people behind REAL economics, that is those involved in formulating models for economic fluctuations are math, physics and actuarial science PHDs.

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>>2154498

>I can draw lines and geometric shapes!

Make your own conclusions.

On a more serious note, I'm not sure what is involved in such a degree, could you enlighten me?

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2154619

OK guys, with your input I've amended the chart. Your thoughts?

>> No.2154633

>>2154619

I'm not familiar with a single major at my college that DOESN'T have to take at least calc I. Psych and business do for sure. Maybe the liberal arts guys don't. It's a technical college too though.

>> No.2154634

This is very inaccurate...I'm an applied math econ double major...I would definitely put econ in top tier...or higher depending on the way you are "ranking" this. I know a few pure math majors who made b, c in the easy intro econ class they had to take.

>> No.2154641

Obviously OP has no concept of what is required in quantified economics. No calculus..really?

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>>2154634

Are you kidding? Economics is for people who failed the math component doing a Finance major.

It's mostly memorizing simple relationships, nomenclature and some high-school level stats.

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2154652

>mfw I base my education on this chart.

>> No.2154658

History major here, fuck you OP.

>> No.2154660

>>2154642
Really? Our econ department made us take the engineering calculus sequence, linear algebra, and diff eq. What shit school did you go to?

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2154664

This was posted yesterday.

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>>2154634
>>2154641

Not surprising to see all the butthurt econofags.

So you don't have the will to study science, you wanted to party your way through a socially-rewarding undergrad with your parents sponsoring the 4 years of your perpetual drunkenness and now you expect someone to hand you a real job because a certificate says you can arrive in class?

I'm sorry, you deserve to be doing coffee errands for the corporate bottom-feeders for the rest of your lives.

You are a liability to this economy.

>> No.2154669

Econ major here. Can't find well paying/prestigious jerb. How to switch to science career? Is a second bachelors an option?

>> No.2154670

My program also required the calculus sequence. Damn shitty liberal arts colleges

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>>2154664

>Geology ranked with history and poli-sci.

Oh my... This was posted by someone completely unaware of the discipline or some butthurt forestry student.

>> No.2154680

>>2154676
>mfw I was the one in the thread who suggested Geology for mid tier

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>>2154680

AND YOUR REASONING GOOD SIR?!

>> No.2154685

>>2154664
>Creative Careers

>> No.2154743

>>2154664

Well that's horsecock.

>> No.2154794

>>2154668
typical engineer with an unwarranted sense of self-importance

>> No.2154851

>>2154619

LMAO Economics requires a lot of calculus.

Calc III, Linear Algebra II, Intermediate to advanced statistics and PRE-REQS for an economics degree. Differential equations, real analysis, phil symbolic logic, pure philosophy are good enhancements to an econ degree. It then encompasses all of the other social sciences, sociology, psychology and even anthropology.

To be a good economist, you need to be skilled in soooo many different ways. NOW THERE IS A WIDE SPECTRUM OF TYPES OF ECON DEGREES AND IT CAN BE QUITE MISLEADING. For example, you can get an econ degree at a shit tier school taking shit tier classes, but the real econ degree is easily in god tier.

>> No.2154868

>>2154851

Also a second language and international scope is required.

>> No.2154884

>>2154851
>THERE IS A WIDE SPECTRUM OF TYPES OF ECON DEGREES

QFT. Hell, most schools offer multiple degrees in it, with a B.A. for the liberal arts (dumb) types, and a B.S. for the skilled people.

As you mentioned, a good portion of economics focuses on buttdevestating the social sciences. Gary Becker is a good example.

>> No.2154894

>>2154851
http://www.artsandscience.utoronto.ca/ofr/calendar/prg_eco.htm

>> No.2155026

>>2154664
>Soft. Eng.
>Low tier Engineering
NOPE

>> No.2155227

>>2154664
What about Biomedical Engineering?

>> No.2155269

>>2154522
or he was lucky.

I don't see how money/earning has to relate since any of the fields can earn quite a lot.

The tiers (and the concept of a subjective tier system) also make no sense and this is clearly a troll thread. It's no different to arguing over which religion is better.

>> No.2155849

WTF NO MICROBIOLOGY???
mother fucker , fuck you ill have all the cheese then, lets see how ur sammich goes without that huuuh?

>> No.2155876

Geology teacher here,
Does that also count for TOP TIER?

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**** FIXED

>> No.2155896

>>2154683
Jesus Christ, look at the eyes! The right one is so much bigger than the left!

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>>2155886
>>2155886

Fixed.

>> No.2155917

>music
>shit tier

op confirmed for having a shit life

>> No.2155980

Oh boy, a degree elitism thread. I love hearing how the engineering students and physics student who have a 2.9 GPA are superior to their arts student counterparts who have to take such pussy subjects like "literature", "history", or "global economics" and only can maintain a 3.8 GPA. Protip: Every student in your school can at anytime change their major. So that faggy honors student who is taking art can decide that he is going to take neuroscience and and suddenly become your superior, despite his academic ability not changing at all.

>> No.2157357

>>2154554
lol no, guess you don't know how much most analysts make at a BB firm. Pre subprime mortgage crisis it was 60k salary with an AVERAGE of 60k in bonuses, now it's an average of 40k with a 30k bonus first year starting. Most middle market firms pay the same starting and as you move up you simply make less millions in these MM firms

If you want to make a chart at least know what kind of potential careers a specific degree allows you to get.

Besides all that, and the fact that a finance degree is in terms of money the best degree to get, it should ALL be based on enjoyment of said career and nothing more. No one has a right to say what field is the best because different people enjoy different things

>> No.2157372

>music
>shit tier
come back to me when you're training to become a concert pianist

>> No.2157387

MUSIC SHIT TEIR!!!!?????

AHAHAHAHAHAH

your are a bunch of gay engineers alruight!

>> No.2157408

>>2154664
>Software engineering
>Low tier

Alright, go ahead and uninstall everything on your computer, destroy it, and stop using computers for the rest of your life, they clearly are of no benefit to society

>> No.2157413

>>2157408
Software engineering can be easily self-taught.

>> No.2157418

>>2157413
I'm not sure what you are trying to prove

All the other fields depend on computers/software to do their job, it is very important.

>> No.2157421

>>2157387
i'm a mathematician who also happens to be a classically trained composer and violinist and i am afraid to confirm that the intellectual breadth of music doesn't hold a candle to any other serious subject of study. srry

>> No.2157422

>>2157418
I'm saying the other fields are more rigorous.

>> No.2157429

>>2154664
Philosophy top tier?

Seriously, psychology should be put in top tier over philosophy.

>> No.2157432

>>2157422
computer science/software engineering can be very rigorous as well

>> No.2157434

>>2157432
It's not on the same level as aerospace or chemical engineering.

>> No.2157443

>>2157432
yeah, all that strain on your wrists and ass can be pretty intense

>> No.2157446

>>2157443
>i've never made anything more than "hello world"

>> No.2157449

>>2157446
are you fucking stupid? i'm a computational physicist you fucking dolt. i write sorting algorithms in my sleep.

>> No.2157462

>>2157449
>hurr

>> No.2157463

>>2154251

It's a proper science with proper lab and field work. Test hypotheses and revising up them conclusions.

So it's God Tier. As should be pharmacology and toxicology.

Also, I'd move archaeology from shit tier to top tier.

It's almost a real science, and utilizes much real science for much of its work.

>> No.2157466

>>2157462
>cheetos stains on the keyboard

>> No.2157473

>>2157466
>hurr i cant program anything

>> No.2157474

Business deserves it's own level below shit tier.

>> No.2157476

>>2157473
how's that degree from devry working out?

>> No.2157479

>looks at "shit tier"

Good luck applying any of that hard scientific knowledge to improving society or the future of the human race or enjoying life

>> No.2157481

>>2157476
>projecting

>> No.2157488

>>2157432
yeah for sand niggers

>> No.2157492

>>2157488
>look at me i've never programmed anything difficult or useful in my life

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2157518

>Did Archaelogy/History of art
>Work in a prestigious art gallery
>Get paid on commissions
>Leading a king's lifestyle
>My face

>> No.2157527

>>2154527
Good one.

And NO, I'm a chemist and live with a geologist, definitely does not deserve god tier. At all.

>> No.2157537

>>2157518
living the dream, my friend.
jealous mathfag here :{

>> No.2157568

>>2157527

Hey fuck you man, all of our 1st and 2nd year chem courses overlap with yours.

>Thinks his shit don't stink

Typical chemist. Enjoy your chronic underemployment. Go synthesize some irrelevant molecule.

>> No.2157600

>>2157568

I love how simple chemistry is for you faggy american students. Over here in the UK, our chemistry is a little more complex much earlier on. My geology housemate looks at our simple material and ii already derping.

Also, at number 1 university in country for chemistry for last 2 years according to guardian league tables (Southampton), so all your knowledge is almost immediately redundant. BLAM

>> No.2157648

>>2157600

lol sotonfag, hai.

>> No.2157653

I sell crack and make more $$$ a month than most of the God Tier make a year, so pushing junk should be in there.

>> No.2157681

Music is far more important in improving peoples lives than astronomy, mathematics, or chemistry ... put it in God tier now you elitefags.

>> No.2157694

>>2157648

Haha do I know you?

>> No.2157697

>>2157681
And the life sciences, which include medicine, but most importantly biology, are the most important and worthwhile on that list.

>> No.2157715

>>2157681

>Music is far more important in improving peoples lives than astronomy, mathematics, or chemistry.

Yes, because an iPod playlist is more critical to a person than food, heat or shelter.

Go take some drugs and come to the realization you're worthless to humanity.

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>>2157492

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>>2154300
>"pure" science
>Engineering

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>mfw i've always been interested in physics and plan on majoring in physics/math

>also mfw math and physics never move from god tier

feels good man

>> No.2157800

>>2157694

Maybe, I know two 2nd year chem students.

I'm a fresher doing the engineering foundation year.

>> No.2157802

No art?

>> No.2157813

So, do any of you geologists have any Llanite?

>> No.2157814

>>2154295
you do realise you cant just make stuff up and expect people to take it as fact

here is a list of the "most lucrative college degrees"

http://money.cnn.com/2009/07/24/news/economy/highest_starting_salaries/index.htm

>> No.2157816

>>2157800

AH, probs won't then, thought you might be a chemist. NVM

>> No.2157846

GOD TIER: My major

NOT GOD TIER: All other majors

If you are in any field that is not medical/health or a trade you will never make any money and spend your life as a wage slave to pay down your student loans.

Any math related job can be done overseas for pennies on the dollar and any liberal arts degree just makes you professional student not qualified to be a janitor

>> No.2157848

>>2157814
and here is a survey of salaries for people ib analysts

http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Investment_Banking_Analyst/Salary

entry level job, higher up there are associate, vps, senior vps, and mds

of course since most banking jobs in general are in new york you should adjust for that, but the pay IS high. There are a lot of different jobs in finance though so some might not choose to go that route, but there are other high paying options.

I could find more salary surveys but payscale is normally more accurate

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fixed for accuracy

>> No.2157851

If you ask, I think you should go a tier lower.

>> No.2157855

>>2157846
hahahaohgod.jpg

>implying the medical field isn't flooded with certifcate holders and mexicans

>> No.2157890

Why is music in shit tier?

>> No.2157912

>>2154664
I agree with this mostly, but I feel it is kind of ass backwards to say CS is god tier and put software engineering in shit tier. Yes there is bad SE like Java apps for businesses but there is good SE that happens within research institutions and the NSA/defense contractors.

>> No.2157919

You forgot WHERE you study.

I'm sorry but for employment a mickey mouse degree from a prestigious university will trump a "god tier" degree from some average place. Especially if the job doesn't require a specific degree e.g banking.

>> No.2157933

>>2157919
well banking tends to require a math or legal based field. Someone with a law degree can break in but it would be difficult and they have to prove they can do the modeling, someone with an engineering degree can break in but they have to prove they are good socially and charismatic. Honestly I don't have a passion for math and would never get a math degree but math degrees are so versatile that it's insane. For example someone with a math degree that is a skilled programmer is more valuable than a programmer with a CS degree who happens to be good at math.

>> No.2157939

>>2157919
oh and where you study is starting to mean less, if you network well it means basically nothing as long as it was a real uni and not an online college

>> No.2157961

>>2157933

I don't know where you are from but in the UK the likes of Goldman Sachs love their oxbridge historians/classicists and what have you. Maybe they put them in sales or some less quanty division. I'm not saying I like it but it's pretty much like that in the UK.

But I agree, maths is almost certainly the degree that limits you the least.

>> No.2157975

>>2157939
For elitist consultancies and what have you where you studied still matters.

That said who wants to work for them anyway XD.

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>>2154664
>mfw the chart I began was reposted

>> No.2157993

Physics.
Represent.

>> No.2158005

>>2157961
well it is a prestige school and goldman sachs especially has a love for pedigree. Like I said this is still starting to matter less and the truth depending on what division you are in, and what you do exactly will determine how much worth they put in your degree. For awhile their prop trading people had a wide number of degrees(though that was recently dissolved) and as long as you are a good people person a flow trader wont be judged heavily on their degree. I can't afford to go to a top tier target school so I know my chances to getting into a place like GMS is low but from everything I've heard/read banks in general are really putting more emphasis on what you are capable of again

>> No.2158012

>>2157848

90% of the people are just becoming an analyst for the money. on an hourly basis you get paid like shit because you are working 80-100 hours a week for two years. you basically have no life lol

>> No.2158019

Which degree will help you cure cancer?

Whatever that is maybe it shouldn't be in shit tier.

Just saiyan.

>> No.2158051

Guys, I think Information Systems should be at least mid tier.

>> No.2158067

>>2158012
very true, I can even link you to an article where an ex-analyst compared his 6 fig pay to mcdonalds on an hourly basis, it was pretty shocking. That being said their are a lot of ways to move after your analyst years are over, for example working in PE, HF, VC, etc. I like business and the markets, that's why I want to change careers and hopefully work for one of these buy side firms

>> No.2158078

>>2158051
that is one of the degrees I'd actually say is low tier. I don't like ranking degrees but in the IT world the only thing that matters are your certs, experience, and if you have a CS degree (yes even for network admin jobs they want a CS degree)

>> No.2158101

>>2158078
Dammit. I'm a freshman and I have no idea what I want to do. I have a 3.5 (fucking English) and I want to do something to do with math or computers, but I'm still not sure.

>> No.2158114

>>2158101
unless you want to be a network analyst go for the math degree (with networks the only math you do is subnetting which means basic binary math). Like I said earlier programmers with math degrees are highly prized and there are far more high paying careers out there for someone with a good knowledge of programming and math.

>> No.2158117

>>2157992

Hey asshole, I want you to justify why you demoted geology.

>> No.2158123

>>2158101

It really doesn't matter what you pick.

You will be a wage slave working your entire life to repay student loans.

A math or computer field just makes the process a lot more smoother

>> No.2158131

>>2158114
So major in math and minor in comp sci?

>> No.2158139

>>2158117

>God tier
>what I study

Op just because you study geology doesn't mean it is god tier.

>> No.2158140

>>2158123
Actually my tuition is being paid for my my parents who set up a fund when I was born. I want a job where I can be making somewhere around $75,000-$100,000 in about 10 years or so, and then I can just coast until I retire. I want to just have a 9 to 5 and be able to party on the weekends and shit.

>> No.2158146

>>2158140

sounds like a nice life

>> No.2158159

>>2157387
>>2157372

It's shit tier because you don't need to go to uni to fucking learn/teach yourself music

>> No.2158168

>>2158131
or double major

>> No.2158171

>>2158131
yeah that would be a good plan, BUT just keep in mind that if you do for the math major it does require you to prove that you are a good programmer a bit more so try and do some freelance programming for businesses and such just because a few (and I mean very few and often the lesser paying areas) will want proof of programming experience if you go the math route.

That being said look into different careers and really decide what you want to do and even what field of programming you want to work in as well as prospective employers to determine if it's better to do math/cs or cs/math.

>> No.2158179

>>2158146
I know right? I don't want to change the world. I probably am not smart enough to do so if I tried. I'm just trying to be as comfortable as I can be until it's time to go.

>> No.2158196

where does accounting fit up in that bitch

>> No.2158201

>>2158196
boring, soul sucking, average career

>> No.2158210

>>2158171
Sorry if I'm wrong (I'm just finishing up my first semester so I'm still a little new) but does double majoring take longer than a regular degree?
>>2158168
Thanks man, and that's actually really good advice. I know this sounds so dumb and counterintuitive but I've sort of just been looking at degrees, not really taking time to decide the job I want. Really good advice man, thanks.

>> No.2158211

>>2158201

What if you find it fun :|

>> No.2158212

>>2158201
i meant tier dipshit.

>> No.2158214

>>2158196
probably no where since this board frowns on non engineering/science degrees and accountants make meh money doing a meh job(though they tend to work great hours and if you actually enjoy the work it's a great choice)

though once again ranking degrees is fucking stupid unless it really is a non-wanted degree or one very very niche career options

>> No.2158224

>>2158214
soooo.... its god tier?

>> No.2158233

>>2158210
you're welcome, I did IT work after high school (I programmed, then did network analyst consulting) and hated all of it, so I learned to look at things as "what kind of career do I want and what are the requirements" rather than "I did well at physics and math and like making things so I should get an engineering degree". It's always a great idea to look at EXACTLY what you want to do, that way you can even read up on relevant material that wont be taught at any uni (for example lbo modelling) and especially so you can get internships at the place you want to work which generally tend to guarantee a job

>> No.2158290

>>2158224
for you, yes

>> No.2158307

One of my lifelong dreams is to go to art school for illustration and start a career freelancing for children's books.

Now I'm poised to go into either Chemistry or Pharmacy.

Secretly I'm planning to do that illustration degree once I have an established career.

SOMEDAY, /SCI/

>> No.2158341

Hi there. Doing mathematical physics. Just curious: why is business in the shit tier? (I know nothing about business studies)

>> No.2158361

>>2158341
The only people I know with business degrees are working in the same jobs they had before they got their degrees.

Business degrees are unless you can implement nepotism or have a shitload of gumption.

>> No.2158363

>>2158361
Sorry, meant
>useless unless

>> No.2158371

>>2158341
Because /sci/ associates business degrees with the frat guys who pull 2.5 gpas at shitty state schools. Which is unfair, because management truly is an important skill set to be mastered. Also, the work /sci/ agrees is important would not likely get done without managers making sure the company was financially sound.

>> No.2158426

Realistically, math is the only god tier degree. Geology shares top-tier with most of the other natural sciences and most engineering degrees.

>> No.2158453

My major is Computer Science and im kind of mad. But its ok, i like what i am studying.

Just wanted to ask: isnt Computer Science almost similar to pure math? I mean, i am taking more math courses than language and comp courses. Maybe someone could point my brain the right way? :P

>> No.2158489

>>2158361
>>2158371

Hmm, alright. I just wondered. My cousin is doing business studies and it is by far the most difficult study to get into. At least where I come from.

>> No.2158525

Why is Sociology so low rated? Same with Politics? All in all it's not mathematicians who run countries and become leaders of political factions, is it? So really, what's your explination?

>> No.2158534

Why is Sociology so low rated? Same with Politics? All in all it's not mathematicians who run countries and become leaders of political factions, is it? So really, what's your explination?
>explination?
>explination?
>explination?

This is why you're shit tier.

>> No.2158544

>>2158534

Do continue, I'm really not following your point.

>> No.2158561

>>2158489
Hard to get in, easy to graduate from.

The way I see things is that business majors are basically communications majors who have taken introductory classes in economics so that the shit the spout out sometimes makes sense.

>> No.2158564

>>2158525
well, that's because most people who are in politics were lawyers or businessmen. It's a networking game and people who know laws and people who know what will help business/the economy are looked at favorably

>> No.2158613

>>2158525
>herp derp I'd better study sociology or political science if I want to go into politics
See: Angela Merkel, Chancellor of Germany, Ph.D in physics

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2159172

Problem, other Engineers? Ahahahahaahahahaahahahah

>> No.2159180

>>2157992

Nice try you creepy faggot but I am the one that started the thread and made the official version.

>> No.2159188

>OP implying that Pharmacology & Toxicology somehow supercedes the sciences they are base don

>> No.2159201

Computer science should be bumped to at least top tier.
Also, Philosophy should also be higher.
Other than that the list is fine.
Geology sucks.

>> No.2159204

>>2159201
Also, Law should go a little bit lower and psychology a little bit higher

>> No.2159205

science tiers.
god- physics
good- engineering, astronomy.
shit- medicine

>> No.2159211

>>2159201

Sorry the 2010 list is final. We will probably have another thread some time next year so feel free to come back for the debate then.

>> No.2159231

this tier is shit, medicine is practiced by kids who think they're smart and just want to make money. the real intellect lies withing physical science majors... you know, the one's that basically explain how every fucking thing in our universe functions on a physical and molecular level...

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2159401

Double majoring in CS and EE, fuck yeah. Learning assembly now, going to suck a dick after.

>mfw I can build PCBs with ICs from the ground up and program them too

>> No.2159626

>>2159201

i agree with you