/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.2148511]

fuck yea

[Anonymous No.2148611]

Freedom of information FTW.

[Anonymous No.2148636]

bumped for great justice, voted too and optional objectives completed

[Anonymous No.2148649]

If Anon would have face, it would be the one of Assange

[Anonymous No.2148659]

The fuck is up with some politician turk manhandling shitfest countries in the middle east leading this vote?

[Anonymous No.2148661]

bump

[Josef !!nUf2NflSAyw No.2148662]

done

[Anonymous No.2148666]

>>2148649
no. Assange does all that anon would do, but without the fear, without the anonymity. He does all this and shows his name and faces death and assassination threats. He doesn't need a mask. He is a fucking hero.

[Anonymous No.2148678]

Don't just vote 98, just vote anywhere in the 90+ range.

If like 30 percent of the votes are all 98, they'll delete that shit.

[Anonymous No.2148680]

who the fuck is Recep Tayyip Erdogan ?
how can he be on top?

[Anonymous No.2148682]

Glenn Beck isn't even close to winning. How the fuck is that sand nigger winning though?

[Anonymous No.2148683]

>>2148678
he could be right

[Anonymous No.2148689]

Voted.

Also, American comments on http://gawker.com/5705492/library-of-congress-is-latest-government-institution-to-block-wikileaks would be welcome.

[Anonymous No.2148692]

Long live Assange.

[Anonymous No.2148706]

Even if Assange legitimately wins, Time will be bought out and another candidate will falsely win.

[Anonymous No.2148715]

>>2148706
like they did with moot?
oh... wait

[Anonymous No.2148716]

done

[Anonymous No.2148720]

Bureaucracy at its best.
Look at the rating and look at the ranking.

[Anonymous No.2148722]

Voted, although I suspect that >>2148706 will be proved correct.

[Anonymous No.2148725]

>>2148720
The number of votes obviously also counts towards the person's ranking.
Assange doesn't have as many votes as the other guy

[Anonymous No.2148726]

>>2148715
Not the same case. There weren't any superpowers against moot at the time.

[Anonymous No.2148727]

seems to rate on votes cast as well as average score

i've sympathy for number 1 guy. stood up to israel

[Anonymous No.2148732]

>>2148727
but israel is awesome.
terrorise the terrorists, fuckyeah!

[Anonymous No.2148739]

>>2148732
Funny how people still buy into this doublespeak.

[Anonymous No.2148742]

>>2148680
That's exactly what I was thinking!

[Anonymous No.2148744]

>>2148732
nah

israel is a little annoying boy with a big strong rich brother

most worthless type in school

[Anonymous No.2148754]

If he's such a great person, why doesn't he turn himself in and clear his name from the rape charges?

[Anonymous No.2148758]

>>2148678
>>2148678
>>2148678
>>2148678
>>2148678
>>2148678
>>2148678

[Anonymous No.2148760]

>>2148754
Why were those charges pressed right after the leak? And also anyone can falsify evidence against him. He is not stupid enough to let himself be framed in this manner.

[Anonymous No.2148763]

Voted, I legitimately believe that he deserves the title more than the others in the top 5.

Lady Gaga? Come on! Her music sucks! Most of it isn't even written by her! How does she deserve "Person of the Year"?

note: you can do both options, both voting Assange up and voting the others down...

[Anonymous No.2148767]

>>2148754
Watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bvhv7wXiHa8&feature=player_embedded

[Anonymous No.2148769]

>>2148739
Muslims = terrorists.
Even if some _claim_ to be good people, they're still pure terrorist on the inside; just waiting for their chance to suicide bomb a bus full of civilians.

[Anonymous No.2148775]

do you how hard it is to beat a rape charge? most of the time the court is on the woman's side, and with her testimony, he's as good as convicted

[Anonymous No.2148778]

I lol'd when I saw that one of the 25 candidates is anon.
"The unemployed American"
Seems to fit most of us here...
VOTE THAT ONE UP!

[Anonymous No.2148797]

>>2148769
I see. But it's OK when "we" do it. It's OK when our "precision" bombing attacks take out civilians in their countries? So it's not terrorism when "we" do it, only when they do it? Ahh, I see your logic.

[Anonymous No.2148802]

>>2148797
Soldiers != Terrorists.
In almost all cases terrorists are civilians

[Anonymous No.2148803]

>>2148769
troll or retard
also see
>>2148739

[Anonymous No.2148809]

>>2148802
killing is killing

sometimes right sometimes wrong

having a uniform doesn't decide the matter

[Anonymous No.2148814]

>>2148739

That's like saying that everyone who has ever been in a fistfight is a bad person who was in the wrong.

[Anonymous No.2148818]

>>2148802
lol

how old are you?

[Anonymous No.2148827]

>>2148818
20.
how old are you?

[Anonymous No.2148829]

>>2148827
>14, but i'll say 20

[Anonymous No.2148843]

>>2148829
>I didn't expect anon to answer me so now I'm grasping at straws trying to discredit them. I refuse to believe that anybody who argues against me is older than I am (15).

[Anonymous No.2148849]

>>2148814
No, US looks like a person who goes out of his way to fight and keeps hurting passersby while he's fighting and then claims the passersby were also there to fight... that kind of person usually ends up in prison or a lunatic asylum.

I'm hoping we can do exactly that when the singularity hits.

[Anonymous No.2148855]

>>2148802

Yes, because someone who has nowhere near the technology and man power to find the enemy, is clearly going to suit up and fire tit-for-tat with the enemy.

It's call an asymmetric war. You should probably learn what this means before you go sputtering complete bullshit.

[Anonymous No.2148856]

>>2148849
I couldn't help but lol when I read this.
Imagining a crazy man running around stabbing random people and then saying it was their fault.

[Anonymous No.2148861]

So many Muslims in this thread.
Allah was a flaming homosexual and enjoyed fucking male goats.

[Anonymous No.2148862]

>>2148856
pretty much. US and all other great powers in history do this

[Anonymous No.2148865]

>>2148861

As long as you realise Allah, Yahweh and the Father are the same entity.

[Anonymous No.2148870]

>>2148861
think you mean Mohammed.

mostly atheists in this thread, and a few christfags and jews saying killing is good, ironically

[Anonymous No.2148871]

>>2148865
the same (non existent) entity

[Anonymous No.2148873]

gave the treasonous asshole a 1

[Anonymous No.2148886]

>>2148873
>not american, but somehow a traitor
ok, but you know even low votes help his score?

it's a sum, not an average

[Anonymous No.2148887]

>>2148870
Killing sand niggers is always good.
What are you, a fucking hippie?

[Anonymous No.2148892]

>>2148873
Treasonous? He's not an American citizen, how can he be a traitor for whatever he does regarding America?

[Anonymous No.2148895]

>>2148887
u mad boy?

[Anonymous No.2148901]

>>2148873
>americans don't know they live on earth

[Anonymous No.2148903]

>>2148892
Because that poster is from /k/.

They think the only people that are really human are american patriots. Anyone who doesn't support the regime is an animal and should be free to kill.

I wish I was joking.

[Anonymous No.2148904]

I'm going to take a quick second to establish how I feel about Assange.

OP's pic is right in saying that Assange is a lot like anon. Sure, he can troll the fuck out of one of the most powerful nations in the world, but why? To what end? Any anon would say that he trolls for the lulz, but my view on Assange is a little different. For one, he's not an American citizen. So, why fuck with America? It's simple. Like anon, Assange is butthurt and envious. Only in Assange's case, he mad at arguably the most influential nation in the entire world, rather than the kids that bullied the average anon in high school, forcing him to become a basement dweller (as is the case for the average anon).

Honestly, I'm all for freedom of information and freedom of speech, but the only benefit that Assange reaps from this whole debacle is a self-inflated ego, and a much higher sense of righteousness. The only thing voting him man of the year is accomplishing is feeding that ego.

Just my two cents...

[Anonymous No.2148908]

>>2148887
sigh. how edgy you are.

[Anonymous No.2148913]

PUT THE LINK IN YOUR FUCKING POST.

10 man-seconds vs. 1000*10 man-seconds wasted. Optimize, dumbass.

http://www.tinyurl.com/2wb7ju8

[Anonymous No.2148922]

>>2148904
i don't mind feeding his ego.

he does good shit, deserves it. him enjoying what he does is a bonus.

[Anonymous No.2148927]

America, what the hell happened?
You were the chosen one!!!

Now you even lack a cool black-armored costume!!!!

[Anonymous No.2148930]

>>2148904
>The only thing voting him man of the year is accomplishing is feeding that ego.
Or a wake-up call to superpowers that we demand transparency. Assange offers us exactly that. Without transparency we cannot know if our governemnts are representative of us. While this may be a vote for his ego, it is also a vote for whistle-blowers and we the people.

[Anonymous No.2148935]

>>2148511
Done.

Time mag is still shit tier, though. And I'm sick of them spamming my eyes by putting their name in all caps.

[Anonymous No.2148947]

>>2148904
Wrong, because BULLSHIT SHOULD BE CALLED OUT INSTEAD OF LETTING IT ROT AND INFECT EVERTYHING.

You seem to think that as long as it's unseen, the bullshit can't do any more harm.

The greatest nation on earth didn't die.
It was never allowed to be born.

[Anonymous No.2148949]

I don't agree with him releasing all the information he has.
However, I did enjoy hearing about lots of the things which are revealed, such as China referring to NK as a spoilt child.

[Anonymous No.2148953]

I'd rather vote for moot again.

[Anonymous No.2148955]

>>2148930

>mfw people still don't realise that man of the year means significance rather than merit.

[Anonymous No.2148960]

>>2148904
You do know that Assange blew the whistle on many other countries? Turns out, USA is the most interesting to talk about, I wonder why...

[Anonymous No.2148965]

>>2148955
Doesn't have to continue to be that way.

[Anonymous No.2148974]

>>2148947
That's great, but why doesn't he do it to his own home nation. Or better yet, how about we hear his side of the story about the rape and molestation charges. It's so sad when you're idolize and worship someone that won't live up to the shit he preaches.

He'll go on and on for forever and a day that if the truth is merely an inconvenience and an embarrassment that it should be revealed. I'll start to take him seriously when he owns up to his own fuckups.

[Anonymous No.2148990]

1. Shoop it to say "Vote 90 or more/10 or less" for Assange and the competition.

2. Suggest the use of proxies/VPNs/TOR with some basic instructions and links.

3. Post it on /b/.

4. Don't forget to put the URLs on the post, faggot.

5. Yeah, I'm too lazy to do this myself.

6. Well, fuck your shit.

7. ???

8. PROFIT!

[Anonymous No.2149002]

>>2148974
>implying he fucked anything up.
Look up the word framed.

[Anonymous No.2149026]

>>2149002
Bahahaha, really? Let it go to trial then. If he has nothing to hide and can prove his innocence, let him prove it. It's in Sweden, a country that could give a shit less about America's influence. If he really was set up, then things will be sorted out in a court of law.

It doesn't matter even if he WAS setup. If he was a man of his word and lived up to the lessons that he has "taught." Instead he's acting like a total bleeding vagina. He needs to learn that if he can't take what he dishes out, he should just slashquit.

[Anonymous No.2149047]

>>2149026

[Anonymous No.2149049]

>>2149026
You think that will be a fair trial?
You really believe that the US and Sweden aren't in on this shit together?

[Anonymous No.2149050]

>>2148904

i hope you have some kind of brain and will one day figure out that he can only release information that he obtains.

if he is releasing information about the US that's because there are enough fundamentally unpatriotic and underhand US government employees who are willing to give him this information.

[Anonymous No.2149067]

PENIS

[Anonymous No.2149068]

>>2149026
See:
>>2148767

[Anonymous No.2149071]

>>2148511

Thank you for reviving and improving my old idea :'-)

Picture related but outdated

[faraday cage No.2149079]

>implying Julian Assange is not a controlled opposition

[Anonymous No.2149098]

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/12/01/wikileaks/index.html

[Anonymous No.2149123]

>>2149047
>posts reaction image with no logical arguement
>>2149049
Yes, I do. Trial by jury. Even IF both countries are in on it, it shouldn't matter! He should have as much faith in the justice system of Sweden as he does in the American Bill of Rights. Again, practice what you preach.
>>2149050
Exactly, I'm not arguing this point. My argument is that I give those people a lot more credit for rallying for transparency than I do Assange. But to him, they are merely a means to an end. The end to Assange, as I have already explained, is merely a boost of ego.
>>2149068
>Posts equivalent of a liberal Alex Jones in a liberal infowars video.

Even if this IS a witch hunt, he should still have the balls to man up and face whatever consequences.

Everyone here isn't thinking for themselves...

[Anonymous No.2149142]

>>2149123
>Yes, I do. Trial by jury. Even IF both countries are in on it, it shouldn't matter! He should have as much faith in the justice system of Sweden as he does in the American Bill of Rights. Again, practice what you preach.

Look at the James Bain trail where the jury was coerced and bought off the CIA. Jury doesn't mean shit.

[Anonymous No.2149144]

>>2149123
>Yes, I do. Trial by jury. Even IF both countries are in on it, it shouldn't matter! He should have as much faith in the justice system of Sweden as he does in the American Bill of Rights. Again, practice what you preach.

Look at the James Bain trail where the jury was coerced and bought off by the CIA. Jury doesn't mean shit.

[Anonymous No.2149155]

>>2149123
>Posts equivalent of a liberal Alex Jones in a liberal infowars video.

Appeal to authority much? Instead of opposing them, look at their arguments.

[Anonymous No.2149163]

>>2149123
>faith in the justice system of Sweden
>faith in the American Bill of Rights

Who the hell would anymore?
The swedish 'justice' system has been a puppet for american big money interests for the last five years at least.

And the bill of rights might as well get thrown to the dumpster for how much the american government still respects it.

No, there's no justice in this.

As long as big money gets handled with silk gloves, there's no real justice at all.

[Anonymous No.2149172]

>>2149144
Actually it was the FBI.

[Anonymous No.2149182]

>>2149142
Please find me one legitimate source (read: not conspiracy theory bullshit) that says Bain was set up by the US government. Oh wait, you can't...

He was prosecuted based on the testimony of a child, more than likely under police coercion. He was exonerated by DNA evidence (and he's not the only one). I'm not denying that that trial wasn't a witch hunt, either. It was a different time, he's a minority, and the subject matter of the charges is a very sensitive issue. But saying it was a witch hunt on behalf of the CIA is quite a different matter. What did they have to gain from imprisoning a black man in Florida in the 1970s? That's right, nothing.

As an aside, I was actually accused of raping someone at one point in my life. So don't tell me about witch hunts. I can speak from experience that by KNOWING you are innocent, and by having solid evidence that you are innocent, you will be found innocent.

[Anonymous No.2149185]

>>2149182
Then why wasn't Jimmy Bain found innocent?

[Anonymous No.2149193]

>>2149182
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTqb6dFBDwI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oT9RGLxDwPY&feature=related

Criminal Justice works and is unbiased.

[Anonymous No.2149201]

>>2149155
I actually watched it and listened to the argument, but if anything, it only further proves my point. If he goes to trial, the mere perception that this could potentially be a witch hunt would be enough to cause suspicion and get the charges thrown out.

Also,
>>2149172
>>2149144
I posted this: >>2149182
for you guys.

>>2149163
Another excellent point that I can't argue with. But my point is that if Assange has as much faith in the Swedish justice system as he does in freedom of speech, he'd have the balls to face trial.

[Anonymous No.2149213]

>>2149201
>>2149201
>he'd have the balls to face trial.
Its not a matter of balls, its a matter of stupidity. He was obviously farmed, look at the timing of the charges.

[Anonymous No.2149221]

>>2149185
For the same reason that every other black man that "raped" someone prior to 1980 wasn't found innocent. Racial bias. Like I said earlier, I'm not denying that it was a witch hunt. I'm contesting that it was a witch hunt by the upper echelons of the US government.

[Anonymous No.2149235]

>IF Assange has as much faith in the Swedish justice system as he does in freedom of speech, he'd have the balls to face trial
And... my point was that NO ONE has faith in the swedish justice system when american interests are on the line.

So, since he has no faith in the system, WHY ON EARTH WOULD HE WANT TO FACE THE TRIAL???

Sorry about the caps, but you seem to have missed my point the last time I didn't use them.

[Anonymous No.2149236]

>>2149221
So why are there assassination plots against him? If he turns himself in, he probably won't even make it into the courtroom.

[Anonymous No.2149241]

[Anonymous No.2149243]

>>2149213
*facepalm**

You guys just aren't getting it, are you?

I'm only saying this once more: Framed or not, if he is innocent, let him prove it. If he is innocent, let the prosecution try to prove him guilty! He has had no problem with the criminal justice system, the law of the United States, or general morals until now. He does a total about face on the issue of honesty and transparency when it becomes an inconvenience to him. He is exactly the same as those he fights against.

On another side note, why would the US government try to put him away through Swedish hands if the US Justice Department is launching its own investigation with the intention of charging anyone working for wikileaks that has actually broken the law?

[Anonymous No.2149253]

bumping with a pretty lolzy piece about "molestation" accusations against Assange (dailymail is also a weirdo right-wing gossip paper, keep that in mind)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1307137/Supporters-dismissed-rape-accusations-Wiki
Leaks-founder-Julian-Assange--women-involved-tell-different-story.html

[Anonymous No.2149254]

>>2149243
If he's innocent, and he turns himself in, and the Swedish judicial system is compromised, he'll go to jail even if he's innocent. His own leaks reveal the US meddles in other countries judicial processes (threatening Germany into not charging CIA agents that kidnapped a German citizen).

[Anonymous No.2149257]

Submitted. This guy deserves our time.

[Anonymous No.2149262]

>>2149235
see
>>2149243

>>2149236
Of course, assassination plots against him by the general populace. There may be an assassination plot against him by the US, but until this becomes proven and true, it's nothing but speculation. Just because you guys are all willing to suck Assange's cock doesn't mean that there are some people out there that totally disagree with what he did and how he went about doing it.

[Anonymous No.2149266]

>>2149243
>Framed or not, if he is innocent, let him prove it. If he is innocent, let the prosecution try to prove him guilty!
Its impossible to prove something to pseudoscience believers, this is no different. They already have their minds (wallets) made up. No matter how much he may argue his point and no matter how much the evidence will support his claim he will be treated like James Bain.
>He does a total about face on the issue of honesty and transparency when it becomes an inconvenience to him. He is exactly the same as those he fights against.
How much does the government pay you?
>On another side note, why would the US government try to put him away through Swedish hands if the US Justice Department is launching its own investigation with the intention of charging anyone working for wikileaks that has actually broken the law?
The Swedish and American Judicial systems are working for the same interests, whatever those may be.

[Anonymous No.2149278]

also, check this out

>>>/new/3093009

[Anonymous No.2149288]

>>2149254
If we are willing to believe the cables and look to the past, then it should be obvious that 1st world countries that can challenge the influence of the US challenge the US bullying that they undergo.

The evidence of the allegations has been presented and I agree, it does seem like a crock of shit. If it is as any bit reliable as all these articles would leave you to believe, there is no doubt in my mind that he will be found innocent. Particularly with as many people as there are monitoring the situation, the chances of the US being able to pull off a feat based on as flimsy evidence that has been presented, are slim to none.

With that in mind, I still say he faces the evidences, and responds to the charges formally, in a court of law.

[Anonymous No.2149291]

>>2149262
>2149235
>see
>2149243

Ah. I see you are able to deflect the points of my posts with the power of your mind.
Well done.

Unfortunately it makes arguing with you an excercise in futility.
Enjoy your rose-tinted glasses.

[Anonymous No.2149330]

>>2149266
You're as bad as the Fudds over at /k/ with your "herpderp duh gubment gone git us." That being said, rather than argue my points, you resort to so many logical fallacies that I've pointed out in my other posts. The only one I should bother arguing is the last one. The only thing I have to say to that is indeed, what interests may those be? The US government has a lot more at stake than the Swedish, which is almost nil.

[Anonymous No.2149340]

ONLY vote for Assaunge....
Giving a low rating to other people lowers their average ratings, but it only helps their rankings. This voting system literally adds up all the ratings to come up with a ranking.

[Anonymous No.2149344]

>>2149291
The funny thing is, whether you realize it or not, you're doing the exact same. I'd venture to say that our points are equally as arguable, but as long as we can't agree on one thing, we will be forever arguing.

[Anonymous No.2149362]

>>2149330

The question you probably should be asking is why they would use interpol to track this guy down for these charges. Have you read the description of the charges? They're laughable at best. I can't imagine that interpol issues warrants like this for anyone else who does things so frivolous.

[Anonymous No.2149375]

>>2149344
actually, a while ago, I was of the same opinion as you.

But then I looked at the facts and came to some really uncomfortable conclusions.

I've already changed my mind because the facts required me to that.

[Anonymous No.2149377]

>>2149266
>>2149288
What many people fail to comprehend is the idea of extradition. The charges are to get him into Swedish custody. He wouldn't see the rape charges for years because in all likeliness, he would be shipped off the the US to face charges.

Under international law, crimes against international law take precedence over crimes against national law. He would be forced into US custody where the US DOD would likely attempt to coerce information from him to contain and detain leaks.

If you honestly believe this would be played fair and just, you are deluded.

[Anonymous No.2149390]

>>2149362
An Interpol red alert isn't an international arrest warrant. It's an advisory for individual national agencies. Just because he is a wanted man in another country doesn't mean he can be arrested in a different country. It's simply a provision that if he IS arrested on another charge, the Swedish have an advisory out that he be extradited.

[Anonymous No.2149414]

>>2149377
Yes, but the only solid charges are the ones handed down by the Swedish. The best the US could provide is still an infraction under US NATIONAL law, like you said. The US has also been open enough to say that an investigation has been launched, but the most they can do is get him on a breach of security clearance, and as mentioned earlier, that's sketchy and iffy. Assange himself doesn't have a security clearance and isn't an American citizen. Besides vague accusations of endangering American interests, there is nothing that they could accuse him of.

[Anonymous No.2149426]

>>2149330
The US Federal Gov't can easily transfer funds for "good" will. So the American Government essentially corrupts the Swedish with money. Whats one person to more pieces of legal tender?
And regarding those guys over at /k/ - until we know for certain there isn't a shadow government conspiring against us - we can only speculate as to whats actually happening. We need government transparency to ensure that we can we are being represented for. That our taxes are represented for. Our world as we the people want it. You are part of it just the same. And right now if we hand this guy over we don't get to see those banking cables. When those are released he might turn himself in.

[Anonymous No.2149437]

>>2149426
Theres no need to go to wild plots like bribes. The US could simply say it would really appreciate it if Sweden extradited him. There isn't really a unit when it comes to political currency.

[Anonymous No.2149442]

>>2149437
Watt?

[Anonymous No.2149451]

>>2149414
You fail to understand the situation. He's legally liable for the release of US military documents that constitute breaches of national security. More over, leaks have occurred elsewhere of similar severity. The US would likely press for international sabotage and espionage charges.

The UN security council would be the notable body in this and at least two of the big wigs are not happy with him at current and would use anything and everything to bring him and wikileaks down.

Do you believe the US and China are above framing someone?

[Anonymous No.2149514]

>mfw America has committed genocide, performed illegal medical tests on people all over the world, consume 25% of the worlds resources, destroy the worlds economy, built enough nuclear weapons to wipe out anyone on the planet, launches illegal wars, smokes weed all day errrday

>mfw these 'leaks' are boring as fuck

>mfw they will have zero effect on anything

>mfw Robert Gates basically said the same thing 2 days ago

>mfw Assange will never live to see America burn like he wants.

[Anonymous No.2149534]

>>2149514


i lol'd when i read about robert gates saying that.

best secretary of defense we have had in a looong time.

"The fact is, governments deal with the United States because it’s in their interest, not because they like us, not because they trust us, and not because they believe we can keep secrets. Many governments — some governments — deal with us because they fear us, some because they respect us, most because they need us. We are still essentially, as has been said before, the indispensable nation."

lolol

[Anonymous No.2149642]

>>2149514
“A fool and his money are soon parted.”

Incidentally, I'm arguing against money as a desirable pursuit. I'm arguing for the difficulty of managing money and the distrust that it develops between those who have money and those who do not. Those who want money suffer from those who want money.

[Anonymous No.2149670]

>>2149534
>Many governments — some governments — deal with us because they fear us, some because they respect us, most because they need us. We are still essentially, as has been said before, the indispensable nation.
Brace for mass failure of the system. China sure as hell doesn't need us.

[Anonymous No.2149698]

>>2149670

China owns a large fraction of your assets.
Them and Canada primarily.

[Anonymous No.2149734]

>>2149698
Actually, I believe you mean them and Japan. What you would seem to be implying is that China needs us because we've actually got some kind of value. We do not.

China owns the majority of mineral resources and rights around the planet. China could float their currency against ours and economically force it into place as the world economy. They don't because it affords them an advantage *currently*. The own the majority of manufacturing capabilities in the world. The one place we hold an advantage is farming. Which won't last.

Do not mistake an advantageous temporary situation for need and indispensability. When the world has grown weary of the tyranny of the US, when the world has grown strong, the US will grow weak.

Approximately 50% of the world's population between two technologically progressive countries ensures the demise of the US as imperial center.

It's not a matter of if. It is only a matter of when and how.

[Anonymous No.2149747]

>>2149698
Actually, I believe you mean them and Japan. What you would seem to be implying is that China needs us because we've actually got some kind of value. We do not.

China owns the majority of mineral resources and rights around the planet. China could float their currency against ours and economically force it into place as the standard of the world economy. They don't because it affords them an advantage *currently*. They own the majority of manufacturing capabilities in the world. The one place we hold an advantage is farming. Which won't last.

Do not mistake an advantageous temporary situation for need and indispensability. When the world has grown weary of the tyranny of the US, when the world has grown strong, the US will grow weak.

Approximately 50% of the world's population between two technologically progressive countries ensures the demise of the diminutive, 4.51% of world pop, US as imperial center.

It's not a matter of if. It is only a matter of when and how.

[Anonymous No.2149807]

>>2149747
>China owns the majority of mineral resources and rights around the planet.

As a Geologist I have to say no. Chinese companies are not pervasive buyers of mineral rights, shallow or deep. And China's internal hydrocarbon and mineral reserves are meager.

The US(coal, gas, Uranium), Canada(gas, iron), Austrailia(Uranium), and Russia(Chromite, iron, copper, gas) are the major mineral sources. With Chile providing copper and Brazil bauxite.

China will likely plateau around 10 trillion GDP Nominal in 2000USD, while the US and EU remain at around 15 trillion GDP each.

Saying China will take over the world is like saying the US in the 50s our Japan in the early 80s was going to take of the world. Growth trends plateau as markets become saturated.

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>>2149807
He might have been referring to rare earth minerals. Rare earth minerals haven't enticed investors to develop mines until china slashed exports by 40% negro

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[Anonymous No.2149886]

>>2149807
Your ignorance shows as much as what you proported to be knowledge, Mr. Geologist. China is the majority shareholder of the mineral rights of Africa with no other country even coming close to competing. As for internal minerals? Have you seen the geology of China? Are you familiar with their mountains?

While the US has been busily securing Oil rights in the middle-east, China has been busily securing common and rare mineral rights globally with notable focus on Africa.

Admittedly at current, they haven't started tapping all veins they could.

Also, you presume that Chinese companies would be the major buyers that I'm speaking of. China is a hybrid planned-capitalist economy. The major holder of these rights is the Chinese government proper.

China will "take over" the world in the next ten to twenty years for about twenty to fifty years before India leap frogs them late in this century. This is assured by numerical superiority. Simply put they have more workers, more scientists, more engineers, more people than we do. Not a little more either.

If you hold that the US will be imperial center for the rest of this century, you are deluded and unfamiliar with the history of imperialism.

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>>2149843
I just cried. This is a sad world indeed.

[Anonymous No.2149898]

>>2149843
I don't get this. Shits classified for a reason, contrary to popular belief you DONT have a right to know about shit that goes on like that in the government. Guys a lunatic faggot thats just interested in watching shit go down.

If thats why you like him, fine, but don't tote him around as some sort of angel of truth. Hes a douchebag irl troll.

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>>2149886
Also, to be clear, China has been acquiring these mineral rights over the past century.

The way I hear your post when I read it, it would seem that you're talking about recent acquisitions. I am not. China has most of the rights in hand at current.

[Anonymous No.2149920]

>>2149898
If you can't comprehend why the work of Wikileaks trumps the work of the President of the US, you are likely incapable of appreciating the predicament you are in. Also, high probability that you are in fact a troll.

Familiar with 1984, A Brave New World, Fahrenheit 451, or The Giver? I'm willing to be you're not.

[Anonymous No.2149925]

>>2149898
Are you a fucking idiot?

[Anonymous No.2149927]

>>2149898
If you can't comprehend why the work of Wikileaks trumps the work of the President of the US, you are likely incapable of appreciating the predicament you are in. Also, high probability that you are in fact a troll.

Familiar with 1984, A Brave New World, Fahrenheit 451, or The Giver? I'm willing to bet you're not.

[Anonymous No.2149929]

>>2149898
>Shits classified for a reason
I agree, they clearly don't want us to know "shit."

>contrary to popular belief you DONT have a right to know about shit that goes on like that in the government
how about fuck you, you Nazi-leaning dumb scum?

PS: If I wanted to be nice I'd say something like "yeah, let them wage wars and send Americans to die for Saudi Arabia and Israel in secrecy" etc, but I'm kind of tired of you assholes who have no clue

[Anonymous No.2149930]

>>2149925
Sorry for speaking against Lord Assange.

You're just as blind as the people you condescend towards for being sheep.

[Anonymous No.2149938]

Blowing the lid off of US killing civvies in Iraq: Cool

Leaking classified documents that challenge word stability: Douchebag

deal with it

[Anonymous No.2149953]

>>2149938
>challenge word stability
the irony, it is overwhelming

[Anonymous No.2149955]

All I have to say is, all countries that blacklist wikileaks automatically go on the shit teir list.

Guess what guys, USA is on that list.

[Anonymous No.2149960]

>>2149886
>Africa, rare minerals.

Which minerals specifically, admittedly I am a soft rock(sedimentary/hydrocarbons) rather than a hard rock(ig/met) guy but I never heard of prospective reserves of rare earth metals. Protip: the name rare earth is describes appearance not rarity.

As I recall China has molybdenum and tungsten in large supply, but I cannot think of anything else off the top of my head that they have which is readily available elsewhere. Both of those are mostly for steel production, which is adimited important to the US dominated specialty steel industry rather than the Chinese steel industry which is more basic low carbon steel.

Nobody is saying the world will remain unipolar. More likely it will be multipolar with China, the US, and the EU as the main great powers. India has it's own problems that may or may not keep them from becoming a great power. Russia may come back.

>you are deluded and unfamiliar with the history of imperialism.
Somebody disagrees they are obviously deluded. Also are you taking about the ancient Chinese empires, the near revival in the 15th century, or the attempt to bring China back as a great power in the late 19th century?

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>>2149898
Rights don't exist to begin with so naturally there is truth in what you say...

That doesn't mean I won't revel when my government gets kicked in the groin.

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>>2149955
yep I know.

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>>2149955
Guess what, USA has been a closet shit-lister since birth, it's just been in denial until recent times.
In 1950 he pretended to be the hetero king, but others even then saw that he was made of fabulous and homosex.

[Anonymous No.2150013]

Yes, the world fucking sucks. They're going to smother wikileaks, that bastion of free speech, to hide all sorts of atrocities done in our name - and the president gets a nobel prize for being complicit with them, while a courageous man spreading truth does not. Keep voting him up in that poll, I approve of it, but I doubt it'll have any real effect.

Meanwhile, the world keeps on sucking. Know it or not (and I doubt you ever will), if you really are a bunch of scientists and engineers, you people have a more powerful capacity to alter the course of the world's future than you've been led to believe. Archimedes once said, "Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I shall move the world." Technology is such a lever, and science is such a fulcrum.

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>>2149886
US has similar relationship with Latin America. China specifically targets African resources because it lacks many within it's own territory and want to have sources independent of other major powers.

Let's all jump on the China bandwagon because it makes us look smart, just like the Japanese bandwagon in 1986. Yep all bow the slant eye masters from glorious Nippon. *Checks debt as % of GDP* Japan has 189 percent out, oh.

China probably won't suffer such a fate since it has strong internal markets to fall back on, but going on about the relative new kid on the block taking over is fucking stupid.

China gets a lot of breaks since it hangs on to its "developing" status in trade affairs like grim death. The eventual loss of this status will hamper them considerably if they will to maintain their trade imbalance with the US.

Shh, don't tell anybody but the US has three times the total industrial output of China and Germany has twice as much as China. But the trade imbalance is maintained as component parts are shipped to China, assembled, and exported with the labor value added. When they try to manufacture the components things don't go so well(lead toy scandal and all).

[FOR SANITY!!!! No.2150032]

It's not fair to say that Obama hasn't done anything, of course. He's doing a good job in getting loose nuclear material. It's also sad that many of his successes are perceived as failures.

That done and said, is there any doubt at all that Julian Assange deserves to be person of the year? The existence of organizations will force governments to deal in fewer immoral activities. In the long run, I suspect he'll have a fair chance to win a nobel peace prize too.

[Anonymous No.2150057]

Why the submission of a perfect score invalidate my vote? Is this really true?

[FOR SANITY!!!! No.2150068]

>>2150023
source for statistics? I tried to check out the industrial output, seems that the US has roughly the industrial output of China + Germany.

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>>2150068
I got it by taking the GDP nominal of each country and multiplying it by the % of GDP derived from industry. But I got the the statistics of the wiki so the primary source would be the IMF and CIA World Fact Books.

I was going to us only heavy industry in which case Germany only has about 150% of Chinas output and the US has about 240%. But since light industry includes electronics and integrated circuits I think it is best to include it.

[Anonymous No.2150093]

>>2150032
The only thing Obama did was line the pockets of the same group of individuals that bankrupted America with the bailout. He didn't pull out the troops from Iraq or Afghanistan. He increased the police force and is turning the country into a police state. Obama even kept the Bush Administration's Patriot Act, which to this day is greatest assault on the people's privacy and freedoms. Obama did do a lot, except it was all against the interests of the people of that nation.

[Anonymous No.2150101]

i voted.

[Anonymous No.2150110]

true that

[Anonymous No.2150153]

This needs to go back to the front page, now.

I myself am voting over and over and over again, on beautiful proxies. Typing captcha's and voting again and again. Because I know he deserves to win.

[FOR SANITY!!!! No.2150179]

>>2150083
Hmmm i used this table
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_sector_composition
In which Germany has a much smaller industrial contribution to GDP than china... weird discrepancy...

>>2150093
Yeah, keeping Berdanke and Larry Summers may have been a terrible error. Guantanamo bay is still open...
This looks interesting
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/subjects/politifacts-top-promises/

Also, I think the Pentagon has never intended to remove all the troops from Iraq. Iraq simply becomes like Korea and Japan, another country with US bases...

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>>2150179
The promises beneficial to the American people that are in the works will never happen.

[Anonymous No.2150221]

The truth will set you free, Oh Lawdy Lawdy!

[Anonymous No.2150310]

bumping to the front page

[Anonymous No.2150343]

Man, I'm truly so happy.

Maybe we can finally make a difference, we finally have one man who is the literally the face of freedom.

And unlike most other attempts, he seems to be competent enough to not be snuffed out.

True hero.

[Anonymous No.2150494]

<3

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[Anonymous No.2150518]

Feels bad man.

[Anonymous No.2150520]

>>2150518
What is Lady Gaga doing in that list?

[Anonymous No.2150532]

>>2149002

For everyone calling out that he has been framed.

Im not so shure.

I mean you have to be a pretty strange guy to pick a fight with virtually every intelligence agency in the world.

Im just saying that Assange is pretty wierd.

Also if it is true as he claims that he only had consensual sex then he is just stupid.

Srsly If you are fighting the full force of the pentagon fucking every girl who comes up to you is bound to bring something bad, that should go without saying.

[Anonymous No.2150535]

>>2150532

Even the Swedish government conceded the sex was consensual. He's being charged for not using a condom and then refusing to take an STD test. That's all. Literally.

[Anonymous No.2150545]

>>2150535
Im swedish, thats not true.

The charges are that he refused to stop when the comdom broke.

And that he kept touching them even though they told him to stop.

I don’t know if that usually motivates a Interpol red notice but yeah…

[Anonymous No.2150887]

Assange's lawyer addresses the press during witch hunt

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2MjnoRF7Qs

[Anonymous No.2152675]

I voted.