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You wake up tomorrow and turn on the news.... Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n Sun Nov 28 20:16:57 2010 No.2124249 [Reply] [Original]

....to discover that NASA has found life in Europa's ocean. Pic related.

How do you react? How does the world react? How does the church react? What does this change in terms of policy?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 20:18:57 2010 No.2124257 I wanna know how they saw under all that fucking ice. Also, it doesn't say anywhere in the Bible that Earth is the only habitable planet/celstial body.

>>	Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n Sun Nov 28 20:18:57 2010 No.2124261 File: 43 KB, 350x278, europaprobe.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2124257 >>I wanna know how they saw under all that fucking ice. One of these. In secret.

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>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 20:21:57 2010 No.2124277 I want to go lewis and clark 3000 all over that moon's ass they'll create a new synonym for epic to describe it

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 20:21:57 2010 No.2124280 Is it intelligent?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 20:21:57 2010 No.2124281 What I would do: Punch a hole in everything around me in excitement. What the world would do: Argue and in the end not give a fuck.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 20:21:57 2010 No.2124283 File: 49 KB, 500x491, FuturamaBenderNeat.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Fist-pump in the air so hard, the jaw of every creationist on this planet (and Europa if they have any either) breaks simultaniously.

Anonymous Sun Nov 28 20:22:57 2010 No.2124285
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>You wake up tomorrow and turn on the news ....to discover that NASA has found life in Europa's ocean
>How do you react?

With anger. Why the fuck has NASA been hiding mission launches from me. I don't remember being told we had recently launched a probe capable of getting below that moon's ice.

Anonymous Sun Nov 28 20:22:57 2010 No.2124287

My reaction: That's awesome; I wonder how intelligent it is? (thoughts degenerate from here as to evolution, ecosystem, etc.)

World reaction: Incredibly mixed. I think there will actually be a lot of violence; although I'd wager it'd accelerate religions demise.

Church reaction: I presume you mean the...catholic church?

In which case, the shit would hit the fan; there'd be a lot of division amongst it's ranks. Long story short though, I think you'd primarily have the reaction of: Isn't Yahweh amazing.

Policy change: I presume you mean world policies, but I'm not sure what you're really talking about; care to elaborate as to what policies?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 20:23:57 2010 No.2124291 >>2124257 Insecure Christian detected. OP didn't say anything about the Bible.

Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n Sun Nov 28 20:25:57 2010 No.2124302
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>>2124287

>>Policy change: I presume you mean world policies, but I'm not sure what you're really talking about; care to elaborate as to what policies?

Well I assume it'd boost NASA's funding quite a bit.

And you might see them collaborate with NOAA and the Woods hole Oceanographic Institute as they're the experts on subsea technology.

Exploration of the Europan sea wouldn't be that different from the exploration of ours. Most of the same technologies would come into play, it's just that we'd be getting them there via rocket.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 20:26:57 2010 No.2124307 me: fuck yeah! and want to study it's DNA (if it even has DNA) world: either a wow or a meh depending on country church: butthurt and makes some lame excuse policy: funds more nasa life searching/SETI

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 20:28:57 2010 No.2124319 >>2124249 >NASA has found life in Europa's ocean >Implying the Chinese or Russians won't find it first.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 20:28:57 2010 No.2124321 >How does the church react? Wat? What church and why would they care?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 20:28:57 2010 No.2124322 >>2124291 >doesn't mention the bible >the church What other churches are from religions that don't use the bible?

Anonymous Sun Nov 28 20:29:57 2010 No.2124324

>How do you react?
I'm going to at least quadruple-check the date and time and recent history, because one of the following must have happened:
1. I have been in a coma for a decade or several.
2. I have missed some really important spacecraft launches.
3. I have travelled in time to the future.
4. I have lost my memories of the last few decades.
5. I am insane.
6. I have somehow ended up in a parallel timeline where space exploration is decades more advanced than it is in my home timeline.
7. Someone, someones or something is playing a very elaborate joke on me.

Next, depending on which seems more plausible after checking some facts, I'll either try to acclimatize or go back to bed and sleep until tomorrow.

>How does the world react?
Depending on which of the above scenarios is the truth, the world will react either with indifference, rapt attention or overt hostility. Or something I cannot even fathom.

>How does the church react?
Either it is no longer existent, ignores the news, claims goddidittoo, says satandidit or has mutated so much I cannot say what they will do.

>What does this change in terms of policy?
See second answer.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 20:30:57 2010 No.2124328 >>2124319 The Chinese century is vastly exaggerated. I don't know where you are getting Russia from.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 20:30:57 2010 No.2124330 You could eek out maybe a doubling of space exploration budget from governments, if you're lucky.

Anonymous Sun Nov 28 20:31:57 2010 No.2124335

How do you react?
>Meh, I'm really not that interested in Space and life on other planets

>How does the world react?
Meh, we've got bigger things to worry about.

>How does the church react?
OP, don't be a faggot

>What does this change in terms of policy?
Who cares, it'll just mean a rise in taxes.

>Overall
Meh, whoop-de-fuckin-do.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 20:31:57 2010 No.2124336 >>2124307 >if it even has dna >if it even >if GTFO idiort

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 20:31:57 2010 No.2124339 >>2124249 Not much, just reaffirms Zachariah Sitchin, Graham Hancock and Carl Sagan's theories

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 20:33:57 2010 No.2124348 >>2124336 yeah like you know all life in the universe has DNA

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 20:34:57 2010 No.2124352 >>2124336 I'm fairly sure s/he meant it as: if it has specifically dna.(that's not to say that it lacks an equivalent thereof) Benefit of the doubt of course.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 20:35:57 2010 No.2124355 >>2124348 How the fuck it function without it?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 20:37:57 2010 No.2124368 Why do atheists always act like life on other planets somehow undermines Christianity? WTF? That makes no sense. 200 years ago a Christian theologian wrote that he communicated with spirits from other planets, and talked about Jesus with them, FFS.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 20:37:57 2010 No.2124371 >>2124355 could use some other chemical form of information maybe it only got to RNA maybe it's silicon based life you don't know

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 20:38:57 2010 No.2124376 >>2124368 yeah they'll just make a lame excuse and continue believing in santajesus

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 20:38:57 2010 No.2124379 THIS COULD REVOLUTIONIZE JAPANESE TENTACLE PORN

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 20:38:57 2010 No.2124380 File: 3 KB, 223x176, Are you kidding.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2124368 >a Christian theologian Welcome to /sci/, we don't like generalities.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 20:39:57 2010 No.2124385 >>2124355 How can anyone answer how something completely unknown would function. If it evolved independently, how do you know it is based on the same chemical foundations?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 20:39:57 2010 No.2124388 >>2124368 see>>2124291 Stop being so insecure.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 20:39:57 2010 No.2124389 >>2124355 RNA motherfucker.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 20:40:57 2010 No.2124394 >>2124380 nice generalization.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 20:40:57 2010 No.2124396 >>2124355 By having something similar?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 20:40:57 2010 No.2124398 >>2124388 wat? I'm not insecure. It's just fucking bizarre.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 20:40:57 2010 No.2124399 >>2124368 Because they're mildly, to severely psychotic, death cultists.

Anonymous Sun Nov 28 20:42:57 2010 No.2124407

>>2124399
Why would that make them do anything differently knowing there was life on another planet? They didn't do anything differently when they discovered life on other continents on earth.

... well actually, they'd probably sent missionary ships to europa to convert them.

Anonymous Sun Nov 28 20:43:57 2010 No.2124415

>>2124368

>>Why do atheists always act like life on other planets somehow undermines Christianity? WTF?

Because it has a view of the cosmos that is very small in scope and centers around humanity. It says the Earth existed since the dawn of time, that the sun was created later, and the rest of the stars after that (it even specifies that they are embedded in the domelike firmament of the sky like jewels). The incorrect order is what you'd expect from people who thought our species is the whole point of the universe.

The Bible mentions nothing about life on other worlds. It should, right? If it's actually inspired by god that would be one of the most important things it could tell us.

It doesn't even say anything about Islam. It mentions Jews, but not Muslims. You know why? Because Islam came into being about 600 years later. The authors of the Bible had no way of knowing it would, because they weren't actually divinely inspired.

It's a provinicial book, basis for a provincial religion written when we lived in a simpler, smaller world. Our scope has expanded since then and what we've found is far beyond what the authors of the Bible imagined.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 20:43:57 2010 No.2124420 >>2124407 >...psychotic death cultists.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 20:43:57 2010 No.2124422 >>2124355 >How the fuck it function without it? Typical egocentric universeview. Fucking earthfags...

fizixfag !yOO9L7sT1k Sun Nov 28 20:45:57 2010 No.2124426

Me: I've always wondered about the flow of biological information (DNA>RNA>protein or different?) in extraterrestrials. Now we can find out

World: No net reaction, a great deal will live life as normal and not care to much. A few will freak out.

Church: The Church had a conference about how they would react if extraterrestrial life were found. Idk what their consensus was but im assuming that will be their reaction.

My guess is the Church's reaction will vary depending on the intelligence of the organism.

"Intelligent" Organism (think fish or something): Oh cool, just like we've been saying for a while now- your science theories don't really go against our teachings.

Organism with high level of intelligence (communication etc): try to find any and all similarities between its existence and the Christian faith. Does it worship a "three in one" deity? What is its story of creation. Does it consume something ritually perceived to be the body of its savior? Is it biochemically similar to us and thus supporting the notion of a designer?

World Policy: No change really

Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n Sun Nov 28 20:46:57 2010 No.2124431
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To take the focus off the religion squabbling, here's a better question:

How would you design a *manned* vehicle to explore the Europan sea? Could we build an outpost on the ice, straddling over a hole melted down into the sea, and use that shaft to lower the submarine into the water or retrieve it after missions?

Or should the outpost be underwater itself, connected to a surface docking station for landers?

Anonymous Sun Nov 28 20:48:57 2010 No.2124442

No one has mentioned that he wants to fuck aliens no matter how they look.
Am I on 4chan?

I am proud of you guys. To be on topic, I would probably be totally excited even though this will mean shit for me and I will probably not even have contact with them in my entire life, then realize there's going to be some damn stupid marketing going on, every country working against each other so they get the first contact (which isn't necessarily a bad thing) etc. not sure what to think.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 20:49:57 2010 No.2124444 File: 48 KB, 480x360, sp_1411_clip07.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] NASA's face when the drone, they crashed through the ice, triggered a chainreaction that will obliterate the entire ecosystem within 10 years.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 20:50:57 2010 No.2124456 >>2124257 They used a fleshlight duuuh

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 20:51:57 2010 No.2124458 File: 61 KB, 500x384, 1280389943940.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >mfw the alien is bred in captivity here on earth and eventually sold as a cheap pet for kids too irresponsible to get a dog.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 20:53:57 2010 No.2124464 I would wonder how the fck they got probs on Europa

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 20:53:57 2010 No.2124465 File: 81 KB, 475x570, ta2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] EUROPE IS A CONTINENT, IT DOESN'T HAVE A FUCKING OCEAN. IDIOT.

Anonymous Sun Nov 28 20:56:57 2010 No.2124476

>>2124415
Nothing you said becomes any different after alien life is discovered. That the Bible doesn't talk about all future events and non-provincial peoples obviously doesn't imply to christians that the Bible isn't divinely inspired. It would be bizarre for them to draw that conclusion. No one stopped being a christian when they aztecs were discovered. They were just more peoples to be christianized. Same with life on other planets.

"The Church" generally refers to the Catholic church, and IIRC they've never in their history advocated a strict literal interpretation of Genesis, which you seem to imply.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 20:57:57 2010 No.2124479 ALL THESE WORLDS ARE YOURS EXCEPT EUROPA ATTEMPT NO LANDING THERE

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 20:57:57 2010 No.2124480 >>2124321 They would send people there with bibles to conver the aliens, sadly they dont know that you need air to breath so they all die. a boy can dream

Anonymous Sun Nov 28 20:57:57 2010 No.2124481

>>2124431
> Outpost
Not on ice. It continually breaks up and reforms, so anything put on it would eventually get "eaten" and sunk. So, planetary geological surveys to find a chunk of rock under the snow and ice that says "I won't collapse when you build on me, honest!" for an actual stable foundation. Then, basically just a tunnel that goes into the rock and leads from there directly into the water; a fucking subpen on another planet. There's also fewer steps involved, mostly not needing a submarine trip back/forth from the pad to the base.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 20:58:57 2010 No.2124483 >mfw intelligent life is discovered on Europa and the vatican surpasses the US, Russia, and China in space technology to build missionary ships.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 20:59:57 2010 No.2124484 File: 608 KB, 150x113, StoneColdLaughter.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2124444 > quad fours Fuck you for jinxing this shit. Fuck you so hard.

Anonymous Sun Nov 28 21:00:57 2010 No.2124490

>>2124476

>>IIRC they've never in their history advocated a strict literal interpretation of Genesis, which you seem to imply.

Except they have, all throughout history, up until relatively recently. What do you think they taught about origins even a hundred years ago?

We need redemption through Jesus because we are born with original sin. Original sin was incurred when Adam and Eve ate of the fruit and were ejected from the Garden (the fall from grace).

If none of Genesis ever happened, the rest of Christian theology falls apart.

>>	JagiSympathizer Sun Nov 28 21:00:57 2010 No.2124494 >>2124483 I would die with laughter if this happened

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 21:01:57 2010 No.2124497 File: 184 KB, 363x281, haters_earth.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2124422

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 21:02:57 2010 No.2124504 >>2124494 I would die of humiliation. More so if i tried to stop them and failed.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 21:04:57 2010 No.2124510 europa, hide your boys, priests coming to fuck them

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 21:06:57 2010 No.2124518 How about a Plasma Shield? http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn9567-plasma-bubble-could-protect-astronauts-on-mars-trip.html

Anonymous Sun Nov 28 21:06:57 2010 No.2124519

>>2124490
They didn't say that Genesis never happened. They said that Genesis was symbolic, and not to be taken super-literally. This goes all the way back to the beginning of the church. There was some priest around 500's, can't be arsed to look him up, who's explanation of the symbolism is sometimes referred to as the first theory of evolution.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 21:07:57 2010 No.2124523 What if europan squid missionaries met the Catholic missionaries near the surface and converted them all to alien squid religion

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 21:09:57 2010 No.2124530 >>2124523 of course, it all makes sense now, praise giant squid

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 21:09:57 2010 No.2124534 >>2124519 It doesn't really matter either way. It's just a bunch of people playing house in fairy tale land.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 21:10:57 2010 No.2124535 >>2124490 It's only recently that super-literalism has become fashionable, and then only in protestantism. You can have symbolism and still have Genesis describing mankind's original sin.

Anonymous Sun Nov 28 21:10:57 2010 No.2124537

>>2124519

>>They didn't say that Genesis never happened.

Never claimed they did. I said IF it didn't, THEN Christian theology falls apart.

>>They said that Genesis was symbolic, and not to be taken super-literally.

Saying something is symbolic isn't a "get out of factual errors free" card. Genesis is how Christians have sincerely believed the world and life came into being for centuries. And if not that, something equally mistaken.

Do you think ancient Christians had a fully modern understanding of the big bang, evolution, etc.?

>>	JagiSympathizer Sun Nov 28 21:10:57 2010 No.2124539 >>2124523 hail daegon then

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 21:11:57 2010 No.2124541 >>You can have symbolism and still have Genesis describing mankind's original sin. No you can't, because the event that incurred that curse needs to have actually happened for it to be justified.

Anonymous Sun Nov 28 21:17:57 2010 No.2124568

>>2124523
All hail the octopus overlords!

My reaction: Follow that shit like crazy. The thought of extraterrestrial life fascinates me, more so if it isn't carbon-based.

World Reaction: meh

Church Reaction: Denial, then panic, and finally acceptance for some, bullshit for the rest

Policy Changes: More funding for space programs

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 21:25:57 2010 No.2124602 Church will claim that they are demons and that the lake of fire(Hell) is Io.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 21:52:57 2010 No.2124764 I say we catch a few and eat them in front of the rest. Just so they know who's boss.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 22:20:57 2010 No.2124889 >>2124537 >Do you think ancient Christians had a fully modern understanding of the big bang, evolution, etc.? Of course not. The subject of Genesis is mankind's spiritual history; not its biological history.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 22:21:57 2010 No.2124891 >>2124541 Because something is described symbolically does not mean that it didn't happen. Are all science majors literary retards?

Anonymous Sun Nov 28 22:27:57 2010 No.2124910

How do you react?
>Fuck year!
How does the world react?
>"Neat" and will probably forget about it until they find navi they can fuck.
How does the church react?
>Crazies will deny it, although there's nothing in the Bible for or against life on other planets. PETA will call people monsters for wanting to learn about the new life
What does this change in terms of policy?
>Probably nothing

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 22:34:57 2010 No.2124941 File: 86 KB, 433x650, 1288740722678.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] More important question in my mind: at what point in artificial intelligence can an android be called an individual, possibly even worthy of having some rights?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 22:37:57 2010 No.2124953 >>2124891 >>Because something is described symbolically does not mean that it didn't happen. Are all science majors literary retards? You can't fucking have your cake and eat it too, dumpass. Just admit the Bible was wrong about something, fuck.

Anonymous Sun Nov 28 22:40:57 2010 No.2124963

>>2124941
As soon as an android is capable of making independent moral decisions, i.e. capable of independent reasoning in moral situations, it can be granted rights, but that does not mean that they will be.

For instance, humans 'own' their organs. But an android's individual components must be purchased, and then assembled, which means they are legally property.

>>	Mad Scientist !!Q11PG81nz2n Sun Nov 28 22:41:57 2010 No.2124965 >>2124963 >>2124941 Please create a new thread for this instead of derailing mine. Pretty please?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 22:41:57 2010 No.2124969 File: 299 KB, 584x622, hebrew_conception_of_the_universe2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2124415 Pic related. It's what the old Hebrews said the universe was. And nothing in the bible has changed since it was written.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 22:44:57 2010 No.2124977 File: 122 KB, 375x390, face60.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2124963 >As soon as an android is capable of making independent moral decisions >implying objective morality exists

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 22:45:57 2010 No.2124978 >>2124969 Also - The church now is the same church who raged on Galileo for daring to say the Earth revolved around the sun. Just add more water to their teachings (ie secular morality and common sense)

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 22:46:57 2010 No.2124989 Christfags would say it's proof of god

Anonymous Sun Nov 28 22:47:57 2010 No.2124991

>>2124977
I don't think any objective morality exists. All I meant was it can't really have all the answers programmed in from the start.

(I wonder what Troi would say about DATA's moral capabilities. He has the ability to make the decisions, but are they independent of, or at least involve more than, Soong's own moral views?)

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 22:47:57 2010 No.2124996 >>2124422 both Protoss and Zergs have twin-helix DNA for genome. I bet the Xel' Naga know better what's the best or have no alternatives... so fuck off.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 22:52:57 2010 No.2125017 >>2124969 I don't know about Judaism, but the Christian view of Genesis as Allegorical is as old as Christianity itself. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegorical_interpretations_of_Genesis

Anonymous Sun Nov 28 22:53:57 2010 No.2125019

>>2124991
An android would nearly need to follow the law for it to be a productive citizen.

And all moral decisions can be explained away by an individual's personal goals whether the person in question knows it or not. For example, most moral decisions can be explained by the goal of want to create a productive society, which is another way to live on past death besides having kids.

Anonymous Sun Nov 28 22:57:57 2010 No.2125034

>>2125017
maybe Jesus, if he existed, was just an intelligent humanitarian realising all these religious mambo-jumbo were plain bullshit and tried to convert religious fanatics into a more mild and beneficial indoctrination

not original idea: see Man from Earth

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 23:01:57 2010 No.2125057 Went elsewhere >>2125042

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 23:02:57 2010 No.2125060 TAX IT. TAX INTO ECONOMICAL SUPPRESSION. YOU LIVE IN SOL? YOU PAY TERRAN TAXATION. 100 GALACTIC STANDARD MOTHERFUCKER.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 23:04:57 2010 No.2125071 Someone posted a link yesterday to a statement that a proclaimed professor will announce tomorrow that they found life in an ice meteorite.

Anonymous Sun Nov 28 23:31:57 2010 No.2125156

Finding life on other planets = may answer question as to how life begins.

Religious people would be humiliated by the truth.

But then again religion is designed in a way that no matter how much information we have, anything that is unknown is supernatural.

Even when we create matter and life, religious people will be too stupid to accept the reality of it. They will just say, "God created you and you created life".

The design of religion is an endless paradox.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 23:36:57 2010 No.2125175 This shits crazy! As for religion, don't be fools, the connection between science and religion is most definatly there, we're just not smart enough to see it yet.

Anonymous Sun Nov 28 23:36:57 2010 No.2125177

>How do you react?
"Coooollzzzzzz"

>How does the world react?
"Coooooolllzzzzzzzzzzzzz"

>How does the church react?
"It's the work of the devil, not coooolzzz"

>What does this change in terms of policy?
Not much. Those aliens are gonna get fucked up. Humans can't have nice things.

Anonymous Sun Nov 28 23:40:57 2010 No.2125194

>>2125175

>>As for religion, don't be fools, the connection between science and religion is most definatly there, we're just not smart enough to see it yet.

Sure we are. Religion was our first, worst attempt at science. It's a collection of our early guesses about how the world came to be and how we got here.

But it's not advanced, it's primitive. It's not something we haven't vindicated yet, it's something we've already debunked. Religion is to science as astrology is to astronomy, as alchemy is to chemistry and so on.

Anonymous Sun Nov 28 23:45:57 2010 No.2125209

>>2125194
I'm going to have to disagree with that, partially.

I don't think it's like that, at all. Science has been done by us since we could reason, at any level. Building tools, looking for animals based on tracks, etc. Religion had nothing to do with those things. It's an entirely different monster, one that fed off of our lack of understanding, AND our lack of ideas on how to go about understanding. It's the easy way out, it's the way to give up and be complacent.

I don't think religion had anything to do with spawning the scientific method. Science is something that any sentient being will do, at least on a simple level.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 23:50:57 2010 No.2125230 I'm going to pray to god our probe doesn't inadvertently ruin their entire ecosystem somehow. then, I'll shit a brick and wait for pics.

Anonymous Sun Nov 28 23:51:57 2010 No.2125233

>>2125209

>>I don't think it's like that, at all. Science has been done by us since we could reason, at any level.

Reason alone is not science. Scientific methodology has been developed, in stages, over time.

>>Building tools, looking for animals based on tracks, etc. Religion had nothing to do with those things

I meant as a method of explaining origins, and the inexplicable natural phenomena around us.

>>I don't think religion had anything to do with spawning the scientific method. Science is something that any sentient being will do, at least on a simple level.

No, they can do protoscience. Some incomplete version of the method. Or more likely attempt to employ reason alone, something thought possible by many Greek philosophers, although the materialists were eventually vindicated.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 28 23:52:57 2010 No.2125240 >>2125209 >>Science has been done by us since we could reason, at any level Nope, the scientific method is a very recent development in human history.

Anonymous Sun Nov 28 23:56:57 2010 No.2125262
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>How do you react?
-Unsurprised, but interested

>How does the world react?
-It's a big deal to everyone for a month, and then most people get back to worrying about rampant disease, massive starvation, war, and all the other things that directly affect us now.

>How does the church react?
-The ones who bother to immediately comment deny it at first, and then everyone comes to accept it and find a way to twist it to their view of 'god's plan', while ignoring all of the parts of the bible that are brought into question by this discovery.

>What does this change in terms of policy?
-NASA gets better funding, governments start taking the UN's idea of making pointless offices for dealing with intelligent alien contact... and then nothing else until we figure out how to use alien biology for something and politicians figure out how to talk about it in a way that garners votes.

Anonymous Mon Nov 29 00:01:57 2010 No.2125279

>>2125262
>everyone comes to accept it and find a way to twist it to their view of 'god's plan', while ignoring all of the parts of the bible that are brought into question by this discovery.

Most church-goers, probably. But not all; just think about all the hicks who think the world really is 6000 years old, despite every evidence possible put in their faces.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 00:04:57 2010 No.2125294 >>2125240 using reason and logic was always there

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 00:06:57 2010 No.2125302 >>2125294 Yeah, but things like peer review, control groups and so on were not. Science is more than just reason and logic bro.

Anonymous Mon Nov 29 00:22:57 2010 No.2125358

>>2125294

By modern standards you would hardly call the work that the greek philosophers did, science. They used reason and logic but had no developed structure of academic ethics or philosophy of science and proof (roughly called the scientific method).

Aristotle used "reason and logic" to prove that the world could not be composed of atoms. "For if even air is composed of tiny grains of dust [as democritus put it], then why doesn't it fall?" (paraphrased)

Anonymous Mon Nov 29 00:22:57 2010 No.2125359

>>2125294
Forms of reasoning and logic have always been around with humans, yes.

Scientific reasoning has not been. Scientific method; look it up. Science is not some great body of knowledge, it is a type of inquiry that has only been developed over the past few centuries and has only been widely applied in life over the last century or so.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 00:27:57 2010 No.2125376 I read somewhere about the catholic church actually looking for intelligent life. Not sure where the article was, but whatever. I don't think it would change much.

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