/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.2113750]

Get off Sci and call Mike!

you know who you are...

[Anonymous No.2113770]

i cannot describe in words my loathing for this bitch, or for the trolls who incessantly post her on this site

[Anonymous No.2113779]

Objectivism is for fucking children.

"Ethics are ridiculous! Only you sheep are weak enough to believe in such nonsense!
What's that, mum? But I put the washing out yesterday!"

[Anonymous No.2113780]

>>2113750
fine i'll get off my ass and find my phone charger, whats with the picture of randayn?

[Anonymous No.2113781]

>>2113770
Why do you hate her? Is her philosophy too deep for you?

[Anonymous No.2113789]

>>2113780

If you are in fact the Horndog... I always post pics of Ayn Rand when I'm trying to contact you through this site

[Anonymous No.2113791]

>>2113789
horn dog? maybe not, thats an odd nick name, how long have you known me?

[Anonymous No.2113792]

herp derp
LIVE ONLY FOR YOURSELF
CRUSH THOSE WEAKER THAN YOU
ABOLISH SOCIALISM

Yay! We are now cavemen again! So fucking refreshing

[Anonymous No.2113794]

>>2113781
deep like a layer of graphene

[Anonymous No.2113797]

>>2113791

I've known the Horndog for 10ish years. Clearly I'm not the Mike you're thinking of

[Anonymous No.2113799]

>>2113794
Infinitely folded over and over and over again.

[Anonymous No.2113800]

>>2113792
I couldn't care less about aynrand, but howard roark was a pretty badass dude though.

[Anonymous No.2113805]

>>2113792
Narrow minded opinion detected.

[Anonymous No.2113807]

>>2113797
close, I've been pals with mike for like 13 years. If the name Mitsuka doesn't mean anything to you, you are probably not him.

if it does, take this.

[Anonymous No.2113811]

>>2113805
>Narrow minded opinion

Far be it for me to base Rand's influence on what self-proclaimed objectivists constantly tell me is their belief system.

[Anonymous No.2113813]

>>2113807
Nah, it doesn't. Plus, my friend does not have a cell phone, and im guessing you do. But you should still call your Mike, just to be nice. I'm sure he'd appreciate it

[Anonymous No.2113820]

>>2113794
Even half an angstrom is too deep for socialists. Hence why they but into every piece of propaganda imaginable.

[Anonymous No.2113826]

>Hence why they but into every piece of propaganda imaginable.
Goddamn it, americans! Stay out of politics, you don't know shit!

[Anonymous No.2113834]

I hear there's a rising tide of libertarians in the States. They want to cut the government down to a police force, an army, and a justice system.

There's a part of me that hopes that America does indeed descend into murderous chaos due to individualism and capitalism. It would be such a fitting end.

[Anonymous No.2113837]

>>2113834

Better than being overrun by unassimilated Muslims

[Anonymous No.2113843]

>>2113799
...becoming an ordinary lump of coal.

So we get an analogy of a person who is both shallow and dirty.

Quite astute of you.

[Anonymous No.2113846]

>>2113826
Can't come up with rational argument, resort to insults. Typical socialists.

[Anonymous No.2113847]

>>2113837
Hahaha look who's talking. It's your very own every-man-for-himself culture that allows people to not assimilate.
The Muslim thing is hugely exaggerated, it's just fearmongers trying to feel righteous.

And I don't even live in Europe btw.

[Anonymous No.2113848]

>>2113843
Still deeper than you can go.

[Anonymous No.2113855]

Because socialism cannot be corrupted.

[Anonymous No.2113858]

>>2113847

It will of course be impossible to convince you that unassimilated Muslims are a huge problem in Europe. You no doubt ignore the wealth of demographical data suggesting that Muslims, who have children at a phenomenal rate, are set to become a sizable minority in many European countries within a few generations, and that they are not assimilating in the slightest. You are also free to ignore the data that suggests the U.S. does a pretty good job of assimilating immigrants to our culture.

The U.S. has many problems, but immigration isn't really one of them. For Europe it is; and I'm not just fearmongering, my friend

[Anonymous No.2113865]

>>2113858
>It will of course be impossible to convince you that unassimilated Muslims are a huge problem in Europe.

No, I'm willing to change my opinion if I see facts.
Which countries in particular are you talking about? I'll look them up.

[Anonymous No.2113868]

Something for you big government lovers to think about.

[Anonymous No.2113883]

>>2113865

At this point in time, Switzerland and France have sizable Muslim minorities. The U.K. also has a small but rapidly growing population. Recent polls indicate that young Muslims in the U.K. and elsewhere in Europe identify very strongly with their religion, much less strongly with their nationality, that many endorse Sharia law, and that some cannot fluently speak the native language of their country

[Anonymous No.2113887]

>>2113848
Fuck that, at least I'm not posing as being super-fucking-deep, writing total bullshit and then getting the ultimate hissy fit when everyone calls it bullshit.

Today she'd be just your ordinary ugly slut like Paris Hilton.

[Anonymous No.2113900]

>>2113887
Never said this was deep as much as its obvious. Too bad that you're blinded by big gov't propaganda. Riddle me this, where do morals come from? Not from your god, the government.

[Anonymous No.2113903]

>>2113883

Additionally, many Muslims attend state-funded religious schools that instill in them deeply conservative Islamic values that are more attuned with rural Middle Eastern countries than with liberal western democracies. The BBC did a documentary a very short time ago about these schools and the appalling things children learn in them regarding women, Jews, and gays

[Anonymous No.2113912]

>>2113900
Ah, morals...

Morals come from the human need to co-operate.
'Objectivism' came from Ayn Rand's deprived childhood that made it unpossible for her to understand some parts of human psyche.

[Anonymous No.2113917]

>>2113912
Yet you think we need a government to enforce morals upon us. Funny, really funny.

[Anonymous No.2113931]

>>2113917
Yet you think you understood what I've posted. Funny. Very funny.

Seems someone is projecting his fears of big government a bit too much!

[Anonymous No.2113938]

>>2113931
>implying governments are represnetative of their people instead of themselves and shouldn't be of any concern.

[Anonymous No.2113982]

[Anonymous No.2114155]

You can easily tell when a person has no understanding of objectivism when they say an objectivist would never do something for the benefit of another person if it did not benefit themselves. This is because NO ONE would ever do anything except to benefit themselves. Psychological benefit is considered just as much a benefit as any other to an objectivist just as it would be to anyone. Truly, to say you are an objectivist is just to say you're a human.

Also, you can tell when someone has no understanding of capitalism when they compare it to socialism. CAPITALISM is simply the science of predicting how the economy will behave if it is effected in a certain way. It is not a theory, it just is. When the supply of something is high, lots of people have it therefore the demand is low and vice versa. SOCIALISM is a theory that society will behave best if each man gave according to his gains and each man took according only to his needs. Society probably would behave best this way but it is IMPOSSIBLE to mandate this behavior onto everyone. My point is the 2 cannot be compared. It's like trying to compare religion and natural selection. Whatever your belief may be you can not discredit natural selection simply because you don't believe humans came to be from it. The most fit will survive it's just a fact and when the markets are affected a certain way they will behave in a certain way.

[Anonymous No.2114173]

>SOCIALISM is a theory that society will behave best if each man gave according to his gains and each man took according only to his needs.

You have your words mixed up with your other words.

[Anonymous No.2114184]

>>2114155

Capitalism is based around undervaluing the labour of one's employees and pocketing the difference.

There have been markets long before capitalism.

[Anonymous No.2114209]

>>2114184

Actually, there was capitalism long before there were markets. Capitalism does not just deal with monetary exchange it is the entire theory around the behavior of the exchange of goods.

[Anonymous No.2114220]

Ayn Random

[Anonymous No.2114235]

>>2113938
oh, I'm not saying I like government here. I use every trick to pay as little taxes as I can. But The government is a necessary evil in that it regulates people like you and me.

It is a balancing act.

>>2114155
I have seen this argument so many times from aspirant objectivists. And it always rings as hollow as ever. Yes, you COULD do a lot of good without "breaking the code of objectivism"(nice phrase which identifies a douche immediately) but you will not, because you will always find a reason to crawl further up your own navel instead.

Which is of course understandable, since Rand herself was almost as big a hypocrite as any religious person.

[Anonymous No.2114249]

>>2114235
>and herself was almost as big a hypocrite as any religious person
which makes her a kind of double hypocrite, which I think is her greatest achievement

[Anonymous No.2114252]

>>2114235
Its a way of regulating people but not the only way. Its an unnecessary evil. We can regulate ourselves, we don't need the help of big brother to do if for us.

[Anonymous No.2114273]

>>2114252
Enough about your corny ashtray-goddess. You're just repeating yourself like a fundie.

[Anonymous No.2114296]

>>2114273
>implying you aren't repeating yourself like a fundie.
Have fun paying taxes and getting no representation out of it.

[Anonymous No.2114344]

[Anonymous No.2114347]

>>2114273

Just move to Cuba you government loving animu faggot. Go ahead, try and make a logical argument against that I dare you.

[Anonymous No.2114428]

>>2114296
>>2114347
>samefagging! across the universe
>on the 4chan science board, with your aspergers
>samefagging! across the universe
>still just posting by yourself cuz you are like a curse

no, really, I'm about as tired of seeing her face as I am of seeing those usual pics of jesus

Also, why do you hate anime? Or rather, why are you then here instead of on stormfag, I mean stormfront, but I repeat myself.

Rhetorical question really. Going to bed now. Night night.

[Anonymous No.2114443]

>>2114428
>doesn't know what samefagging is
Here's a hint: it's when it's the same person.

[Anonymous No.2114468]

>>2114443
>yes, I am oblivious, also fountainhead is da bestest book evar
Do you also read Twilight much?

[Anonymous No.2114485]

>>2114443
I think thats what he meant, genius.

[Anonymous No.2114519]

>>2114468
>>2114485
The person who brought up cuba was someone else.

[Anonymous No.2114533]

>>2114468
No, but what's it like being a government's bitch?

[Anonymous No.2114536]

[Anonymous No.2114546]

>>2114485
Can't handle the idea that others like the thought of freedom more than getting anally raped by authorities.

[Anonymous No.2114552]

>>2114546
>"freedom"
>people starving to death
>people dying from preventable disease
>lawless Wild West

Sure is ridiculous definitions of freedom around here

[Anonymous No.2114562]

>>2114552
Not necessarily the result of abolishing government. But its still better than this oppression you guys herald as freedom. Freedom isn't taxes and control by some police state claiming representative of its people.

[Anonymous No.2114578]

>>2114562
>Freedom isn't taxes

Actually, that's EXACTLY what freedom is.

You want the freedom to be safe from harm? You have to pay taxes for the police and army.

You want the freedom to not die? You have to pay taxes for healthcare.

You want the freedom to not starve to death? You have to pay taxes for social welfare.

You want the freedom to choose your leaders? You have to pay taxes for government.

Taxes are a requirement for freedom.

[Anonymous No.2114580]

>>2114552

Government is dandy when it's the will and establishment of the people, but now it is not and needs abolished. There is no doubt a new one will be made that will probably represent the will of the people more accurately but over time it too will get out of control and need abolished.

[Anonymous No.2114585]

>>2114552
freedom
noun
the state of being free or at liberty rather than in confinement or under physical restraint.

>freedom is being taxed
>freedom is being controlled by a government
>freedom is oppression
Sure is 1984 in here.

[Anonymous No.2114622]

>>2114578
>>2114578
>implying I can't pay for those on my own accord.

Freedom isn't taxes.

Want protection - self-defense or hire a few mercs.

Want good health - hire a doctor or invest in healthcare or learn medicine

Want food - buy food or grow crops

Why the fuck would I want someone telling me what to do?

Freedom is choice, and by having a government you have no choice. You only have one choice and that is the one they give you.

[Anonymous No.2114625]

>>2114578

FREEDOM (you seem to have a skewed definition) is the option to pay for all those things through the government by taxes or the market. I have no problem with the government providing the things you listed as long as the cost is not a mandate.

[Anonymous No.2114666]

>>2114625

Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose, and nothing don't mean nothing, honey, if it ain't free.

[Anonymous No.2114695]

>Freedom isn't taxes.
>Want protection - self-defense or hire a few mercs.
>Want good health - hire a doctor or invest in healthcare or learn medicine
>Want food - buy food or grow crops

I just realised what is going on in libertarians' heads. They want life to be an RPG.

[Anonymous No.2114700]

>>2114695

It already is.

[Anonymous No.2114701]

In a truly free world, there will be no laws barring one from giving as much as one wants. <--A big part of Objectivism. You can give what you want. Give away your house and your internets, if you want. The principle is that you should never be told that you must give these away for the mere lie that you are obligated to live for everyone elses' motives.

[Anonymous No.2114702]

>>2114695
No we want freedom, there's a big difference. If it happens to sound as awesome as a game its prolly because it is, you fucking freedom-hating weasel.

[Anonymous No.2114708]

>>2114622
Hahaha yeah like people like us would thrive in such an environment.
You're a (potential) scientist or mathematician, right? What place is there for scientists and mathematicians in this every-man-for-himself Wild West scenario?

For example, I'm a mathematician. What I study has no immediate applications, but it's very interesting and builds on work done before me.

But hey no feudal lord's gonna hire me to do that. So what, we have to become engineers?

[Anonymous No.2114711]

>>2114708
At least you'd get payed more that way.

[Anonymous No.2114716]

You should study what you want and not give a shit for what everyone else thinks. Become the best person you can be in mathematics. Objectivism doesn't mean enslaving yourself to the whims of others.

[Anonymous No.2114717]

>>2114708
Are you kidding me? We would be just as much if not more of a necessity. Why does it have to be a wild-west scenario? I'm sure we can organize ourselves better without the need for authority.

[Anonymous No.2114718]

>>2114622
and let the monopolies bring the prices of basic stuff go sky-high

do not want

at least a state's priority isn't profit -making

fuck your "free"-market

[Anonymous No.2114726]

"...and let the monopolies bring the prices of basic stuff go sky-high"

You mean like Wal-Mart? Oh, wait....

[Anonymous No.2114731]

>>2114718
>implying those monopolies don't exist due to big government subsidies.

[Anonymous No.2114733]

>>2114716
>Objectivism doesn't mean enslaving yourself to the whims of others.

But it DOES. In my society, I can study and teach maths peacefully.

In your scenario, I would be spending all of my time stockpiling medicine and weapons, working like a slave for the local warchief, and hiring mercenaries, and wouldn't have time to get any maths done.

And even if I did some maths, what would I do with it? Your scenario does not entail a knowledge economy. The local warchief would just steal my work and kill me if it was of any importance.

You are actually insane.

[Anonymous No.2114736]

>>2114717
>I'm sure we can organize ourselves better without the need for authority.

You moron, we used to not have authority, and guess what happened? We invented authority.

It would just happen all over again. You can't stop government forming, it's natural. We're a social species.

[Anonymous No.2114738]

>>2114733
Jesus fuck. There would be no warlords. Warlords are a form of government known as despotism.

[Anonymous No.2114743]

>>2114701
dieing starving in the streets because I like certain scientific fields that have no great demand in the market does not sound much like an option

[Anonymous No.2114746]

Lol. Failtroll who doesn't understand words or that Objectivism =/= feudalism is fail.

[Anonymous No.2114749]

>>2114736
Social doesn't mean authoritative. You don't need an authority to be social. I guess I can't blame you for thinking this, you were brought up by government propaganda so you think you can't live without them.

[Anonymous No.2114751]

>>2114726
>implying libertarians aren't whorshipping wal-mart

[Anonymous No.2114753]

>>2114738
>There would be no warlords.

Who makes sure of that? If someone starts to become a warlord, who stops them?

[Anonymous No.2114761]

>>2114743
Grow your crops on the side, and do your shit. No taxes so you don't need to work for anyone but yourself.

[Anonymous No.2114765]

>>2114761
Hahhahhaha. Yeah, "my" crops.

And what am I supposed to do when bandits steal my crops? Call the pol OH WAIT THERE ARE NO POLICE

[Anonymous No.2114766]

>>2114753
Everyone could rally together to ensure it from time to time. Its not like this is advocating against socialization.

[Anonymous No.2114769]

A big part in Objectivism is being the best person *you* can be, as trite as it sounds. It means not letting other people bring you down. It means no worries, for the rest of your days. It's a problem-free philosophy. Hanuka Ma--Oh shit

[Anonymous No.2114770]

>>2114765
Get a gun, or rally your neighbors to fight for what is right.

[Anonymous No.2114775]

>>2114765
Hey who do you call when the police break down your door?

[Anonymous No.2114776]

>>2114770
Hahaha you're so fucking delusional. Do you ACTUALLY THINK that people would just spontaneously start looking out for one another?

They wouldn't. Wasn't it Ayn Rand herself who advocated only caring about yourself?

[Anonymous No.2114781]

>>2114775
>who do you call when the police break down your door?

The police have never, and will never, break down my door. You're living in cuckoo-land.

[Anonymous No.2114783]

Funny how those who most advocate independence are often those least intellectually qualified to survive it.

We are social creatures, any man who thinks he's an island should go live in the woods for a while. I'd give them less than a year before we no longer have to care what they think.

[Anonymous No.2114785]

>>2114761
you mean the pattented crops that the MAN can sue you anytime if you cultivate them or accidentaly occuring hybrids of them without buying the seeds from him?

don't think so Tim

[Anonymous No.2114787]

>>2114776
I'm not advocating on her behalf. I think she's out to lunch on that one. People are naturally moral, we do acts of kindness and bravery for each other without the government mandating us.

[Anonymous No.2114788]

Ayn Rand advocated that in a free society, you'd be free to help whomever you'd want. Jus' sayin'. Take a look. It's in a book. It's Objectivism.

[Anonymous No.2114790]

>>2114783
I've always said that libertarians should be given a place to live out in the Alaskan wilderness. Every now and then we'd go over there to clear out the bodies.

[Anonymous No.2114791]

>>2114781
>thinks the government is there for him
girlslaughing.jpeg

[Anonymous No.2114793]

>>2114788
>free to help whomever you'd want

Well sure, nobody's STOPPING you. In fact, nobody's stopping you from raping your neighbours either!

[Anonymous No.2114801]

>>2114785
How can they sue you if there is no bullshit judicial system which favors corporations over people?

[Anonymous No.2114802]

>>2114790
I'm all for it.

I used to be a firm libertarian, I lived off the land for about three months. Almost killed me, and sucked incredible ass.

[Anonymous No.2114803]

>>2114781
they will break mine

but guess what!! I am a socialist! I hate freedom so much my government feels obligated to make me a favour and put me into jail for my political views!

[Anonymous No.2114804]

>>2114791
>thinks the government is there for him

Hahaha it's very telling that the crazy libertarians are all Americans. I'm well aware that your government is fucked up. But you're misinterpreting the situation as all governments being fucked up.

[Anonymous No.2114808]

>>2114804
Germany giving away taxpayer money to Greece isn't fucked up? Where's the representation in that?

[Anonymous No.2114810]

I'm fairly sure that the police would stop me. In "The Virtue of Selfishness", Ayn Rand stated her belief that here is a need for some kind of government, mainly just for making sure that no individual liberties are being infringed by others. The right of not being harmed, if someone were raped, would be infringed, and the police would have a valid excuse for arresting me.

[Anonymous No.2114815]

>>2114801
my bad

they bring you a warning

if you don't comply they break your legs

if you insist not paying they shoot you to make an example of you

better now?

[Anonymous No.2114816]

>>2114810

And who funds and regulates the police?
It wouldn't happen to be a "government", would it?

[Anonymous No.2114821]

Godwin's Law. Argument over. Let's all do science things now.

[Anonymous No.2114826]

>>2114808
>Where's the representation in that?

I GET IT!
I finally understand what you're talking about.
You have just discovered that representative democracy is flawed!
We ALL KNOW THIS!

The solution isn't to destroy civilisation, the solution is to create a more direct form of democracy!

[Anonymous No.2114828]

>>2114815
Shoot them back. And its not like police are much better with incidents like this. The good thing about the anarcho--situation is that the people hunting you down won't have back up.

[Anonymous No.2114831]

>>2114808
It;s a fucking depth moron. They don't just give them away because they love their sunny beaches.

[Anonymous No.2114835]

I love it how the libertarians' favoured control mechanisms are shooting people and breaking their legs.

Guess what? I don't want to shoot anyone. I don't want to break anyone's legs. I just want a quiet peaceful life so I can do my maths.
Which is what I have now.

[Anonymous No.2114836]

>>2114828
yeah... you outnumber the Man's well-payed bravos because your farmer nighbours are going to help you... sure thing brosef

[Anonymous No.2114838]

>>2114831
Germany wasn't in debt to Greece. The word is debt, btw.

[Anonymous No.2114847]

>>2114835
Until you accidentally fuck up something on your taxform and are jailed.

[Anonymous No.2114849]

>>2114835
>I don't want to shoot anyone. I don't want to break anyone's legs. I just want a quiet peaceful life so I can do my maths.

FUCKING THIS.
You guys are all just sadists who fantasise about killing trespassers. Grow up.

[Anonymous No.2114850]

>>2114836
>implying you can't position yourself atop a really good vantage point.

[Anonymous No.2114851]

>>2114838
Greece is now in debt to Germany. How hard is that to grasp?

[Anonymous No.2114853]

>>2114835
>I love it how the libertarians' favoured control mechanisms are shooting people and breaking their legs.

It seems consistant with an antisocial philosophy.

psychopaths gonna psychopath

[Anonymous No.2114860]

>>2114851
Though German citizens are pissed at their gov't for giving away this cash in the first place. The key concept here is "No taxation without representation."

[Anonymous No.2114870]

>>2114853
Mainstream media opinion detected.

[Anonymous No.2114872]

>>2114850
>implying I have to live in constant fear for my life, loved ones and property and live like a /k/ommando redneck with the exception that I won't have any guns since I will have to save my money for my basic needs since the bread will cost like $20 a piece because there will be none regulating the prices and everyone will need bread
sorry brosef, MadMax barrens is not exactly what I picture as utopia

[Anonymous No.2114875]

>>2114860
>"No taxation without representation."

The irony being that those who have fought under that banner themselves recognized that the average person, (you) is too stupid to truly be represented in government.

republic, not democracy. Your voice doesn't matter because we took a vote and decided that you are nuts. Submit now, or pay the price.

[Anonymous No.2114882]

>>2114872
>implying you aren't living in fear of your government going haywire.
And if you aren't what its like in the brave new world?

[Anonymous No.2114886]

>>2114870
psychopath here, it takes one to know one.
Or not.
Most people can smell you from miles away.

[Anonymous No.2114889]

>>2114875
OK, I guess liberty means nothing to you. Have fun when the government turns on you.

[Anonymous No.2114894]

>>2114870
>anyone who disagrees with me is a sheep, hurr. it can't be that my philosophy only sounds good to angry, antisocial teenagers who probably don't even pay taxes anyway!

[Anonymous No.2114896]

>>2114875
>Would've voted in favor of the Patriotic Act.

[Anonymous No.2114897]

>>2114889
You never had liberty, and neither did I.

You have the illusion that the past was somehow freer and better.

You will learn, or you'll live out your life of lies. Doesn't matter to me which.

[Anonymous No.2114903]

>>2114897
I agree freedom right now and then is an illusion, hence why we must fight for it.

[Anonymous No.2114905]

>>2114860
guess what... it was a measure enforced by the EU not the German state. It was part of the deal to support economically unstable members when they joined. That's why now they bawww to either kick Greece out or dissolve the EU.

And btw I don't know what the fuck your libertarian media claim about Greece being a socialist/communist state, the true reasons they crashed was extensive government corruption, illegal hiring and tax-evasion.

[Anonymous No.2114910]

>>2114894
>Or may be you are a sheep. Indoctrianted by your media and governemnt.
Guess angsty teenagers are better able to smell bullshit than you.

[Anonymous No.2114916]

>>2114905
>the true reasons they crashed was extensive government corruption
Yup, governments doing what they do best - fucking up everything.

[Anonymous No.2114920]

>>2114903
I already fought for your freedom, look at you complaining that you don't have enough.

We don't trust you, thus you won't ever be free.
There's an essential belief at work here that you are incompetent or evil.
Your words make this belief seem accurate.

[Anonymous No.2114924]

>>2114910
Go listen to slipknot, son, and let the grown ups talk.

[Anonymous No.2114937]

>>2114920
>You fought for my freedom.
No you didn't you fought to keep a bullshit government from crumbling. Thus you did the exact opposite, you fought for our oppression.

[Anonymous No.2114942]

>>2114924
I hate that band. Looks like you can't come up with a decent argument and must resort to petty insults. Typical big gov't endorser.

[Anonymous No.2114943]

>>2114937
all a matter of perspective.

your perspective makes you my enemy, and my authorized and elected agents will deal with you if you step out of line.

feel free to step out of line.

[Anonymous No.2114945]

Guess what dickwads? Welfare states are the happiest and most accepting of science democracies in the world.

Why the hell does /sci/ of all boards want to live in a hellhole run by religious idiots with guns, as human knowledge flies out the window?

Good luck with that libertarian space program

[Anonymous No.2114949]

>>2114943
>implying your agents can deal with insurgents.

You make me laugh, and your perspective is the bullshit indoctrinated one.

[Anonymous No.2114954]

>>2114916
Not every government.

The Greek government. I suggest you visit Greece as I have. I doubt you find a single local claiming that their "elected" goverments do not suck thick nigger cock. In their last elections they had almost 40% of registered voters absent even with not voting being illegal. What are your conclusions with that?

Governments and regulations works just fine for the Skands and none of them complains of "not being free" because they pay some taxes to make their and their countrymates' lives better.

[Anonymous No.2114959]

>>2114943
Typical. Can't handle arguments due to faulty logic so must resort to violence to enforce way of thinking.

[Anonymous No.2114962]

>>2114949
psychopath, remember?
I'm the guy who lives what you dream. You are nothing to me, I favor steamrollering you without a glace back. It's mere coincidence that most of my nation agrees with me. Or perhaps they just hate poorly disguised psychopaths....

[Anonymous No.2114963]

>>2114959
typical... cant handle a joke

[Anonymous No.2114966]

>>2114945
Libertarian space program, you mean SpaceX?

[Anonymous No.2114972]

>>2114962
Or your entire country is indoctrinated, this would be it. Why else would everyone agree with each other?

[Anonymous No.2114980]

[Anonymous No.2114983]

>>2114972
You begin to see truth.
Should we give power to the indoctrinated?
Or to the antisocial?

The fact is the antisocial take power, and the indoctrinated submit. Use your power or submit, I don't care. you've got potential, but if it doesn't help others you'll be discarded.

[Anonymous No.2114990]

>>2114980
Governments are bound by transparency laws.

Huge corporations in a libertarian society, on the other hand, can have as many secrets as they want.

[Anonymous No.2114991]

>>2114983
Can't argue that.

[Anonymous No.2114994]

>>2114990
>doesn't know about what goes under the table, I don't either.

[Anonymous No.2115002]

>>2114990
Difference being that the government controls our lives and a corporation doesn't, directly anyway.

[Anonymous No.2115003]

>>2114990
IT'S A LIE! IT'S COMMUNIST PROPAGANDA FOR THE INDOCTRINATED! Corporations are enlightened people blessed by the invisible hand of the free market! They would never intend harm for humanity!

[Anonymous No.2115009]

>>2115003
socialist detected.

[Anonymous No.2115011]

>>2115002
>a corporation doesn't control our life
you tend to forget who's the main agent of governments' corruption

[Anonymous No.2115012]

>>2115009
libertarian detected

[Anonymous No.2115013]

>>2115002
>the government controls our lives and a corporation doesn't

Ever hear of Monsanto?

[Anonymous No.2115017]

>>2115011
keyword: directly. Yeah with this corporatist big gov't we have they do. But if it were a libertarian society a corporation couldn't.

[Anonymous No.2115021]

>>2115013
>>2115013
refer you to >>2115017

[Anonymous No.2115023]

Good holy god /sci/ makes me lol. My friend Mike made this thread as a shout-out to me and you go and fucking fill it with 150 posts. You're all in-fucking-sane.

[Anonymous No.2115024]

>>2115017
What the hell are you talking about? Of course they could!

A huge corporation in your society could, and would, buy an army and attack rival corporations.

[Anonymous No.2115026]

>>2115023
Hey at least now you know to call mike.

[Anonymous No.2115034]

>>2115017
>But if it were a libertarian society a corporation couldn't.
It would just be able to buy a mercenary army and do the almost the same thing just without regulations and ethical boundaries.

[Anonymous No.2115038]

>>2115024
Not really, in a libertarian society a corporation wouldn't be subsidized to that size. The only reason corps get that big is thanks to government subsidies that exist due to taxpayer money.

[Anonymous No.2115041]

>>2115023
we have hijacked your thread, and stuffed it to overflowing with political inanity.

consider it thread exaptation.

[Anonymous No.2115045]

>>2115034
>implying thats not what corporations do right now except with the government instead of mercs.

[Anonymous No.2115050]

>>2115038
Sure thing, trusts have nothing to do with that...

[Anonymous No.2115053]

>>2115026
He already came over and we hung. It's cool. Then he told me about this thread he made because he was impatient with me getting off work.

have fun with the raynd or whatever the topic is nao, guise

[Anonymous No.2115057]

>>2115053
can we get some sloppy seconds?

[Anonymous No.2115061]

>>2115045
>implying the mercs would be to the slightest degree dependant to your will (vote)

neither the practice or the letter of the law is flawless kiddo, but you don't want to honestly imagine a world where money is the only law...

[Anonymous No.2115063]

Corporations: "Let's lobby the government so that it no longer represents the will of the people!"

Americans: "Hey, the government doesn't represent our will anymore! I know how to fix it, let's abolish government and allow ourselves to be ruled by corporations!"

never change America, you are an endless source of entertainment

[Anonymous No.2115068]

>>2115061
>implying its not the law now.
How many of those celebs got away with breaking the law because they had the cash to buy that ticket out of jail card?

[Anonymous No.2115070]

>>2115063
If the gov't falls so do those subsidized corps.

[Anonymous No.2115078]

>>2115070
>If the gov't falls so do those subsidized corps.

thisiswhatmurikansactuallybelieve.avi

Don't you think maybe having a massive army capturing slaves from nearby villages is even better than being subsidised?

[Anonymous No.2115081]

>>2115068
>tell him about how dangerous the iceberg is he shows me the tip of the iceberg
did I miss something?

[Anonymous No.2115082]

>>2115078
.avi? This is a movie?
>implying we aren't wage slaves now.

[Anonymous No.2115083]

I see even /sci/ is, sadly, infected with socialists. I thought you guys were supposed to be smart!

First of all, corporations are NOTHING like government at all! Left to their own devices, they act completely differently from a political body! Just look at the social structure of your typical company; free, libertarian paradise! No stinkin' authority dictating your life in any way!

You might retort by pointing out all the bad things that corporations supposedly do, but when you look at the facts, it becomes clear that whenever something bad happens, it's the government's fault. Monopolies? Government. Low wages? Government. Lobbyism? Government! Environmental catastrophe? GOVERNMENT! The government is designed to make bad things happen, because it is in the best interests of the government to do so, because it's the government.

The only reason government exists is to boss me around and make me go to school! In a libertarian society, everyone would decide to donate a portion of their income to large projects that benefit everyone, such as roads, education, scientific research, etc. Taxes are pointless, because people would pay for these things on their own, and they'd even do it better, because the government wouldn't be there to ruin it like it ruins everything else by being the government.

Now obviously libertarianism is a very deep and complex subject, open to only the most intelligent of 15-year-olds, but I think I have made a convincing case for getting rid of the government. If you still don't agree with me, I suggest you go wear your government t-shirt and sing about how much you love the government, you sheep!

[Anonymous No.2115085]

>>2115070
gotta agree with that, but the idea is essentially anti-science and anti-tech.

I mean, without the government subsidies, the richest and the poorest are suddenly starving. Population reduced to only those capable of agrarian subsistance.

Science stops, tech advancement stops, both are functions of population size and leisure time.

civilization stagnates at smallish populations, and viola, we're back in the middle ages...

good for idiots and exploiters, bad for pretty much everyone else.

[Anonymous No.2115091]

>>2115083
I sure hope that one was sarcasm. I can't even tell any more...

[Anonymous No.2115096]

>>2115085
>Science stops, tech advancement stops, both are functions of population size and leisure time.

Yikes, not sure about this one. Science will always be of importance unless we have a religious nut despot in power. If anything there could be more breakthoughs because there is the freedom to do as you please. And for me that means discovering new phenomena. Instead now I'm not free because I have to write a taxform and do all this other nonsense because the gov't mandates it.

[Anonymous No.2115097]

>>2115082
>implying we aren't wage slaves now.
>implying he would be less of a wage slave if the onlu authority in his life was a profit-seeking boss
the fuck?

[Anonymous No.2115098]

>>2115091
>I can't even tell any more...

Um I think your sarcasm detector is busted. There were like twenty hints in there.

[Anonymous No.2115108]

>>2115096
No time to science, gotta go plant the north 40.

seriously, subsistance and barter economies take far more time than you may realize...

as does science.

corporations will only purchase science they deem useful, and they have absolutely no way of knowing what may prove useful later.

[Anonymous No.2115109]

>>2115098
seriously man... I am really confused after all these libertarian rhetorics.

[Anonymous No.2115110]

>>2115096
Happiest countries? Welfare states.
Least religious countries? Welfare states.
Highest HDI? Welfare states.
Best public acceptance of science? Welfare states.
Least corrupt countries? Welfare states.
Most peaceful countries? Welfare states.
Countries /sci/ducks would most enjoy living in? Welfare states.

The idea that any academic would want to live in a libertarian country is ridiculous, and it makes me think there must be brainwashing involved.

[Anonymous No.2115114]

>>2115110
>implying it has more to do with welfare than culture.

[Anonymous No.2115116]

>>2115108
Barter, who said anything about barter? Yes less abolish the currency. Fuck naw.

[Anonymous No.2115120]

>>2115110
>implying that there isn't leftist brainwashing in academia.
Dude, the Kremlin is more politically diverse than most campuses.

[Anonymous No.2115123]

>>2115114
Well apparently these superior cultures decided that the welfare state was the way to go.

[Anonymous No.2115125]

>>2115114
yeah it's a fucking coincidence... in all stated aspects

because we all know that Swedish Vikings are superior race and magically make socialism work with their aryan awesomeness

[Anonymous No.2115126]

>>2115123
Still doesn't mean that they couldn't thrive in a libertarian state.

[Anonymous No.2115128]

>>2115120
>smart people usually have opinion X
>this must be because of brainwashing

Sure is anti-intellectual around here

[Anonymous No.2115129]

Why do people seem to think socialism and libertarianism are mutually exclusive? Ever heard of anarcho-syndicalism?

Redistribution of wealth, co-operative enterprises, participatory democracy, decentralization and high civil rights

All we need is for a social democratic government to be more open to political participation, improve civil rights and go further along the welfare state path.

[Anonymous No.2115133]

>>2115129
>Why do people seem to think socialism and libertarianism are mutually exclusive?
Because they are idiot big government endorsers who can't get their heads out of their indoctrinated asses.

[Anonymous No.2115139]

Yeah this is what I want. An improved model of democracy. For example, I think the internet is the perfect tool for people to have more say in politics.

If people are directly involved in government more, then it becomes less of the thing that libertarians are scared of.

[Anonymous No.2115142]

>>2115129
>Why do people seem to think socialism and libertarianism are mutually exclusive? Ever heard of anarcho-syndicalism?

it's because Chomsky's theories are not compatible with the viral marketing of ideologies for 15 year olds in the internets

[Anonymous No.2115143]

>>2115133
Funny, I was thinking the opposite.

[Anonymous No.2115150]

>>2115128
Anti-intellectual?
You shitting me? Just because a a bunch of regarded intellectuals believes in something they are infallible? Jesus fuck, even the brightest minds are capable of being wrong.

[Anonymous No.2115157]

>>2115128
>agrees with X because of credentials rather than what X says.
Its faggots like you why Boltzmann hung himself.

[Anonymous No.2115158]

This is a chart of ideologies. The up/down axis corresponds to the left and right wing, with capitalism on the bottom and socialism on the top.

The left-right axis on this chart corresponds to authoritarian/libertarian, with libertarians on the left and authoritarians on the right.

Now, the most common use of the word libertarian is libertarian capitalism, which has high civil rights but little to no redistribution of wealth, safety nets etc.

So if we want a free society as well as an equitable one and an economically safe one, we should go libertarian socialism, or anarchism.

Oh, and if you want to test where you fall, take the test at www.moral-politics.com. I get International Socialism.

[Anonymous No.2115164]

>>2115120

>Implying the Kremlin is leftist

[Anonymous No.2115171]

>>2115164
Nope.jpeg

[Anonymous No.2115174]

This is why you can't have a rational argument about politics on this board.

[Anonymous No.2115177]

>>2115150
Science Geniuses tend to have some of the worst politics. Unless they happen to be economics geniuses or anthropology geniuses. Feynman may be an exception. His politics were pretty common-sense-libertarian.

[Anonymous No.2115180]

I tried, the fucker won't pick up.

[Anonymous No.2115185]

>>2115177
because if they disagree with you they must be flawed,

because it couldn't be you that's stupid...

right? Right?!

[Anonymous No.2115187]

>>2115174
>i'm okey with this

[Anonymous No.2115191]

>>2115177
>economics
>anthropology
>geniuses
ohahaha! oh wow!

[Anonymous No.2115197]

I think my dunning kruger hurts.

[Anonymous No.2115212]

>>2115174
It's just a few obnoxious libertarian trolls in this thread; most of /sci/ is left/libertarian, based on political compass (http://www.politicalcompass.org/)) results from a few other threads.

[Anonymous No.2115222]

>>2115212

Lets see some people post their results then.

[Anonymous No.2115273]

This is me. I'm guessing I'm a pretty typical /sci/duck.

[Anonymous No.2115284]

No gods, no masters.

[Anonymous No.2115291]

This one's kind of old, but I don't think I've changed that much since then.

[Anonymous No.2115294]

>>2115284
That's not real, is it? Are you trying to have the most easy-to-describe political position possible?

[Anonymous No.2115299]

Some of the questions that thing asks remind me how nutty some authoritarian / hard right beliefs are.

Like, some of them I honestly can't imagine any human being answering differently to me. But apparently they do.

[Anonymous No.2115306]

>>2115299
Yeah, especially the one that's like
"What's good for the big corporations is good for all of us."

Who would agree with that? It sounds like something a Batman villain would say, for crying out loud!

[Anonymous No.2115308]

>>2115306
>Who would agree with that?

The head of a large corporation.

[Anonymous No.2115380]

>>2115291
Brofist fellow libfriend

[Anonymous No.2115399]

>>2115306
I'd agree with that, generally.

[Anonymous No.2115413]

>>2115399

[Anonymous No.2115992]

Nice to see that the douches came out of the closet with their "freedom means I'm free to shit on everyone. If I can't shit on everyone then I'm being oppressed"-opinions after I left.

[Anonymous No.2116034]

Aside from her political opinions, her writing was terrible. Full of repetitions and boring.

[Anonymous No.2116061]

>217 posts and 27 image replies omitted.
wat

[Anonymous No.2116090]

>>2116061
A*V