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Any christians up in here want to have a good old fashioned argument about how you're wrong about god?

>> No.2105687

If so, please do it outside /sci/.

>> No.2105690

Hey, good first statement, OP. I'm sure this will turn into a great thread.

>> No.2105695

God exists in everything and is everything inside and outside this universe.

provemewrong.jpg

>> No.2105701

Anyone else think we need a /phi/ board, for philosophy/religion?

>> No.2105702

>>2105695
there is no outside

0/10

>> No.2105706

>>2105701
FUCK YES!.!.!

>> No.2105707

THAT FUCKING CAT!

>> No.2105716

>>2105706
Shitstorms. Shitstorms everywhere. But at least it would free up the other boards from these pointless debates.

>> No.2105717

>>2105678
Sure...
If you concede that time is imaginary...

>> No.2105719

batman cat

>> No.2105720

>>2105716
I've emailed mootles, got nothing in return :(

except dick pics

>> No.2105722

It is all just electrical signals interpreted by your brain. This consciousness thing is entirely physical, get over it people. You don't have souls or free will or god magic.

>> No.2105724

>>2105722
It is quite the reverse

>> No.2105729

>>2105720
Well, how long ago did you email the god-king of 4chan?

>> No.2105730

>>2105722
If consciousness is an illusion, whose illusion is it?

>> No.2105733

>>2105730

universe

>> No.2105734

As a Christian I'd more interested in seeing some evidence to disprove God rather than bother arguing about it.

There is all the time in the world to discuss God. But not to the idea that God doesn't exist as its entertained by people who don't study history and only look at things from one perspective of reality.

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>> No.2105743

>>2105730
All of ours. We have a generally accepted reality.

>> No.2105745

>>2105724
>.magic god or will free or souls have don't You .People it over get ,physical entirely is thing consciousness This .brain your by interpreted electrical just all is It

What the fuck am I reading?

>> No.2105751

>>2105729
couple months ago

>> No.2105761

>>2105734
The one making the positive statement must supply the proof.

>> No.2105764

>>2105751
Try again. I'll message him as well. Maybe we could get the other boards to request it too.

>> No.2105771

>>2105743
Who are we?

>> No.2105772

>>2105761
Or what?

>> No.2105778

>>2105734
I'll have you know that God does exsist, she is a woman with 10,000 boobs, but she is the god of plants and she does not care about humans. We all go to hell.
Now I don't have evidence of this, but i've felt it in my heart.
You don't have the evidence to prove me wrong, so you have to consider this valid.

>> No.2105781

>>2105771
The Human species.

>> No.2105788

>>2105778
>10,000 boobs

If that's true, I'd define her more as 10,000 boobs with a body attached to it.

>> No.2105789

>>2105778
Where?

>> No.2105791

>>2105781
durr hurr.

Seriously, if you're a troll, fuck off. If you're not, die.

>> No.2105795

>>2105778
Ia Shub Niggurath?

>> No.2105796

>>2105772
Or your statement shall be rejected.

faggot

>> No.2105798

>>2105788
Her body is pretty big, the boobs only take up the space on her chest. She lactates exsistance.

>> No.2105801

>>2105796
By you? I'm sure if you looked hard enough, you would find things you believe which aren't true.

>> No.2105803

>>2105791
Piss off. You asked a question, and I answered. If you do not like my answer, then be a little more specific.

>> No.2105804

>>2105789
What the fuck do you mean where?

>> No.2105808

Arguing about God not existing proves his existence.

>> No.2105809

>>2105798
Only nothing is outside existence. Your assertion that that which is outside of existence has attributes is illogical.

>> No.2105813

>>2105808
This is why we need /phi/.

>> No.2105814

>>2105798
if she has a dick, that would be one hot tranny

>> No.2105819

>>2105801
This. Drop enough acid and you'll believe a god exsists aswell.

>> No.2105832

>>2105809
But there are things outside of exsistance. A woman with 10,000 breasts to be exact.
She's a different form of exsistance, different laws of physics.
My point is still valid since you haven't provided proof, and you can't provide proof because she is something that can't be sensed.

>> No.2105833

>>2105809
pot meet kettle

>there is nothing outside the universe but you imply that god made the universe without a universe to exist in.

>> No.2105835

In a world of irrationalities, does it seem rational that an irrational being would lay claim to it all?

>> No.2105840

>>2105808
he exists in the way superman and batman exist

>> No.2105842
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>obvious troll bait
>people taking it seriously

>> No.2105849

This thread reeks of derp. Can we please just let it die?

>> No.2105853

>>2105840
how can you prove that batman doesn't exsist without having compelling evidence?

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>>2105849
> mfw you didn't sage

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>>2105849
Just sage and report it!

>> No.2105873

>>2105853
I never said that batman doesn't exist

>> No.2105880

>>2105873
YOU JUST BLEW MY BUTTERCHURNING MIND!!!

>> No.2105881

>>2105861
Op here, I'm from /sci/

>> No.2105884

>>2105842

Who's the troll? OP?
I think he just wants to fight about god. That's not what a troll is.
And if you're talking about the trip "me", he doesn't sound like a troll at all. If he is, it's a very natural and subtle troll and not in any way obvious.

>> No.2105888

>>2105880
I said that god exists in the way batman and superman exist: as caricatures in stories.

>> No.2105891

>>2105888
????
explain yourself please

>> No.2105896

>>2105853
Isn't the fact that somebody made him up proof that he doesn't actually exsist outside of the comics?

>> No.2105899

>>2105891
FUCKING LOL'D.

This is the problem with Christians.

>> No.2105900

>>2105888
Explain what you need an explanation on.

>> No.2105906

>>2105888
so ur saying that thoughts exist?

>> No.2105908

>>2105906
Yes, thoughts exsist within your imagination.

>> No.2105911

>>2105906
I like your strawman guy

>> No.2105914

>Open up thread expecting some sort of copypasta from OP about glorious atheism triumphing over the peasant Christians
>10,000 boobs discussion
It still isn't science OR math related.

>> No.2105918

>>2105908
Where is that located?

>> No.2105919

>>2105914
You can't prove that it isn't science or math.

>> No.2105923

Not to mention that a loose interpretation of history could find this imaginary entity "Batman" responsible for changing many many people's lives.

>> No.2105924

>>2105911
>implying strawmans exist

>> No.2105926

>>2105918
In your head.

>> No.2105927

>>2105896
no that is not a proof enough, what tells me that in the real world there isn't a hero that hides so that no one knows about him

>> No.2105929

>>2105911
What's that punk?

>> No.2105935

>>2105926
"In" my head? That is so fucked up you don't even know where to start. Is "this" in your head or on a screeN?

>> No.2105936

>>2105923
It wasn't batman that changed their lives, it was their reaction to batman that changed their lives. They changed themselves with some imaginary stimuli.

>> No.2105937

>>2105935
I wouldn't know, I assume it's on the screen, but I could be living in the matrix.

>> No.2105940

>>2105927
Maybe there is, but that's not batman. Batman is a character in a comic.

>> No.2105945

>>2105936
God I fucking hate this shit. Do you have any idea what this even is? This is a dream. There are so many ways to parse words, define things, separate them recombine them, this is like eating shit. Its fucking tiring. Would that one of you fucks would just wake up and see what I know. JUST ONE! Define it as stimuli, mind, atoms, energy, consciousness, information, maya, anything. More flexible and fluid than quicksand or oil, more treacherous than a snake. Group and regroup but it all boils down to some very basic observations which any one of you at any moment could confirm simply by looking. Look and see what the world is. Please. This is getting ti

>> No.2105953

>>2105945
We've all seen what you've seen. At least some of us anyway. It just all comes down to how you percieve it.
I've spoken to God many times. But then I realise i'm just tripping dicks. Maybe it's time you considered whether or not you're just tripping dicks aswell.

>> No.2105976

>>2105945
The mind can be easily fooled. Don't be so sure of yourself.

>> No.2106001

>>2105929
A logical fallacy.

punk

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that is all

>> No.2106013

>>2105953
>>2105976
Allright, I'mma just come out and call you all virgins. "Oh, we've seen what you've seen." Bullcocky. If you had you would know what the fuck I'm on about.

"When it happens, You'll know!" Its like looking at the sky at night and you've never seen the northern lights. And you begin to think that the hallucinactions you get from just staring for long enough are the northern lights. "Pshhh, yah, I've seen that shit. Ain't nothin'." No, when you see it, you'll know. You'll know what everyone was writing about, you'll know what all the songs and shit mean, and for reals, I'm not traying to make this all sound like falling in love, because I'm certainly have no emotion wrt an understanding of the universe. But its the closest analogy.

>> No.2106015

>>2106001
How is it illogical?

>> No.2106017

>>2106015
A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.


punk

>> No.2106021

>>2106013
I stopped reading when you stopped using English.

>> No.2106024

>>2106013
Correction...*you'll think you know.

>> No.2106029

>>2106003
actual quotes from the source? heresy!

>> No.2106030

>>2106013
>>Allright, I'mma just come out and call you all virgins. "Oh, we've seen what you've seen." Bullcocky. If you had you would know what the fuck I'm on about.
Where you a definite Atheist before you saw what you saw? Because I don't think it would produce the same effect on someone who dismisses God as unnecessary as it would on someone who thinks maybe there is a God.

>> No.2106033

>>2106013
When you feel the presence of God's 10,000 boobs you'll know. I can't be wrong because i've felt it.

>> No.2106041

>>2106017
That's nice

>> No.2106044

>>2106030
It would definitely produce the same result.

>> No.2106045

>>2106013
>I'm going to prove that there is a god
>speaks in nigger

>> No.2106047

>>2106044
How do you know? If that were true everyone who had the experience would be converted straight away, and God would be a faggot for only permitting some people to have the experience. Either you are wrong or your god is a faggot.

>> No.2106050

>>2106044
Actually it's like the difference between somebody that knows they have schizophrenia and somebody that doesn't know they have schizophrenia.
The one that knows, looks at their delusions knowing that they are more than likely in his head, the one that doesn't know looks at his delusions and believes them.

>> No.2106067

>>2106030
I'm sorry that I got defensive. Let's just say that Christianity get a bad rap on /sci/ and that made me act irrationally.

The point is that I wasn't sure one way or the other. That's the beauty of curiosity. Discovering what is true, not making it up. Anyone who is after the truth and only the truth will of necessity come to the one truth. But being a person who favors what is true is a little bit like a religion. It isn't devoid of emotion or feeling altogether, and I get the feeling that that is what you mean by "atheist." Did I feel that life had no meaning? No. Did I believe in the Christian God? No. So, I was atheist in the respect that I had no proof for any god, but you could say that I was inspired to have faith in an ultimate discoverable truth. Now, what I found, I call God. But I am atheistic in the sense that I don't believe in any God. Because no description of God is god, no God in the mind is accurate. So, I'm an atheist. But I believe in the truth. I know its there because I went looking for it, and found it.

Maybe I should change my whole lexicon to reach people like you. I don't believe in God. But I know that a commitment to the truth yields results, and they aren't subjective results. And for what its worth, the people who wrote the bible knew what they were talking about, but the people who read the bible don't. So in some sense, I'm identifying with a bunch of ingorant worshippers if I say I'm a theist, just as much as if I say I'm atheist.

>> No.2106074

>>2106050
Shut the fuck up

>> No.2106079

>>2106067
>I are rational
>believes in god man

>> No.2106088

>>2106074
Poor baby got offended. :(

>> No.2106099

I don't understand how a living atheist isn't a contradiction. I mean if your a true atheist why don't you kill your self? Your not truly living, just merely existing in a shared world. You cannot think on your own, you are just executing biological machine code. Your feelings are nothing more than Boolean triggered signals. You do not have a life to live, you are just merely self aware of simultaneously running instructions.

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>>2106074

>> No.2106113

>>2106099
"Living" is subjective. One can find purpose in small things. Just because they don't believe in a purpose for exsistance doesn't mean they can't enjoy being alive.

>> No.2106114

>>2106099
I live to prove faggots like you wrong.

On the contrary, kill yourself and go to heaven faster.

>> No.2106119

Because once dead you produce nothing but fertilizer while living you can make productive contributions to society as a whole and perhaps even live on through the knowledge and genetics you provide to your child(ren)?

I mean I'm just guessing; I'm pretty drunk.

>> No.2106124

>>2106099

Coming from a Jew here. Atheism is not the same as nihilism, and wishing death on your fellow does not adhere to the teachings of any religion that I'm aware of.

>> No.2106129

>>2106113
Living is subjective, but purpose is not.

Like what I want to know is, Do Atheists Dream of Electric Sheep?

Like most people do not kill themselves because they are bounded by religion, obligations, family, etc. But a true atheist knows no bounds, because no bounds are true, no bounds are absolute. They are aware they are a self aware machine but they continue to process why?

>> No.2106139

>>2106114
But a living atheist is worse than a living person, because the atheist knows is not possible to contribute anything in their lifetime.

>> No.2106148

>>2106129
Purpose is subjective. Of course it is, why you would think otherwise is beyond me.
Is living simply for enjoyment not enough? Do people have to have divine purpose to enjoy things?

>> No.2106172

>>2106148
Purpose is not subjective. Because purpose only exists in a world of free will, in a world of irrationalities, in a world with some higher being.

If humans are truly just machines, there is no point to carrying on, carrying on is just executing a set of instructions. Instructions have no purpose unless they are created by something or someone.

Does a rock justify it's existence with "purpose" ? It doesn't have a choice to suddenly go against gravity if i throw it to the ground.

>> No.2106175

>>2106139
You sound christlike, why would I waste my life when I don't get an afterlife with god man?

>> No.2106184

>>2106175
You have no life to waste because when you die, you never existed.

>> No.2106185

>>2106099

Speak for yourself anti spiral. Some of us don't need an invisible friend to recognize the awesomeness of the biological self-programming machine code.

If we dont need a god to live, neither do you.

pour l'ardour de la vie!

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>> No.2106196

>>2106172
Well fuck you, I don't believe I have purpose, yet I enjoy life.
Why the fuck would I kill myself just because you couldn't handle thinking the way I do?

>> No.2106200

>>2106185
Your not living, do you fucking realize that?. Your fucking lines of code. That is not something to be happy about, you can't be truly happy out it even if you wanted to you have no true consciousness to appreciate said lines of code.

>> No.2106205

>>2106184
But at the moment I do exsist.

>> No.2106208

>>2106196
You realize feelings don't exist? There is nothing to enjoy, enjoyment is just a routine that lies in lines of code to make you get out of bed easier in the morning.

>> No.2106209

>>2106200
Wow, you are a really weak minded person.

>> No.2106217

>>2106208
And i'm going to kill myself because of that? I don't think so Tim.

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>>2106099
I hate seeing posts like this that are so moronic that I just...it hurts not to respond, but then I know I'm going to be sitting here frustrated 20 minutes from now angry at myself for wasting my time.

>> No.2106221

>>2106184
Fuck you're stupid, what's it like to be wrong about god and existence?

>> No.2106222

>>2106205
A body of a human exists, a machine exists. But the persona, the identity you pair yourself with? It never existed, it isn't not a real thing.

>> No.2106231

>true consciousness

blerp derp doba durrr frunk snork spliz werp oing oing serrrp.

>> No.2106237

>>2106222

So what, we experience it just like we experience anything else that's real.

>> No.2106238

>>2106209
>>2106217
>>2106219
>>2106221

I am not saying I am right, there is no way I could prove I am right in my lifetime. I am just trying to invoke a response out of someone that lets me understand why I could honestly identify myself as atheist and have no reason not to kill myself over it.

>> No.2106247

>>2106222
You struggled with "I think therefore I am." didn't you.

>> No.2106248

>>2106238
Well you're obviously dependant on the idea of God to get you through life. We should be showing people like you sympathy rather than hostility.

>> No.2106254

>>2106238

The first problem you have is that you are just making this statement and acting as if it's just a given and completely obvious that killing yourself is the reasonable response to being an atheist.

Why do you need to live your life for someone else? Why can't you just enjoy yourself?

>> No.2106259

>>2106247
A common mistake is that people take the statement as proof that they, as a human person, exist. However, it is a severely limited conclusion that does nothing to prove that one's own body exists, let alone anything else that is perceived in the physical universe.

It only proves that one's mind exists (that part of an individual that observes oneself doing the doubting). It does not rule out other possibilities, such as waking up to find oneself to be a butterfly who had dreamed of having lived a human life.

>> No.2106263

>>2106238

Well avoiding for the moment that atheism is still basically theistic... The better question is to ask yourself how you could keep living if you were agnostic.

And the answer is simple: Be good, do good work and the world will be a better place for your efforts.

You don't have to live forever and neither does the world, but if you expect for some other people to outlive you maybe you should devote your life to making the place a little better for them under the assumption that some of them will do the same and the world will continue to get better.

Or if you aren't that benevolent you could just work on getting rich, wasted, and laid alot. I hear that's a nice way to pass the time.

>> No.2106268

>>2106254
Because I do not have a reason to live other than living for the sake of living.

>> No.2106269

Well, ignoring your blatant oversight of pure hedonism as a reason for existence without God, it's quite a stretch to say that because God exists, nothing you do aside from that which directly serves her matters....

>> No.2106270

>>2106259
Will you stop harping on this, or at least explain what relevance it has?

If you just repeat yourself again, I am going to murder you.

>> No.2106277

>>2106238
All you've said is that atheists should an hero because you don't understand what it's like to be enlightened. Good reasoning there bro, enjoy believing in unicorns, talking snakes and zombie rape babies.

Faggot

>> No.2106279

>>2106268
People have all kinds of goals for their lives. Enjoying themselves, dedicating themselves to causes, like being a doctor, for their personal principles and ideals. Wanting to be a part of changing the world, or just experiencing it and going about their business. What's wrong with that?

>> No.2106282

>>2106263
I could keep living if i was agnostic.
I could not keep living if was atheist (nothing exists outside this physical, perceived world.[Not sure if that is a definition for a separate thought])

>> No.2106289

>>2106282
You aren't making a very compelling argument. You are just making a claim, that you should kill yourself if there is no god, and then you just keep repeating yourself.

Then you keep throwing in little incoherent philosophical thoughts that hardly seem irrelevant.

Stop doing those things.

>> No.2106295

>>2106279
There is nothing wrong with that, except that those goals have no meaning because they could never be intentionally undertaken.

I realize that it's kind of pointless for me to basically ask for the meaning of life, but I really can't see a way to ignore that and go on.

>> No.2106299

>>2106282
You just have some repressed suicidal thoughts.

You should explore them. Why wait to die of some painful cancer or a car wreck when you could meet god man after you survive death.

>> No.2106301

You live life without god because you want to experience it. What is so hard to understand about that?

Let me ask you something, what is the point of dedicating your life to some higher power? The only answer is...just because! That's what your supposed to do! The reasons stop after that, that is the final answer!

Which sounds more sane?

>> No.2106303

>>2106289
Are you okay with the thought that in a Godless world humans are nothing more than machines ? Is there a better way to look at it ? Is my assumption completely inaccurate there?

>> No.2106306

>>2106299
this

DO IT FAGGOT

>> No.2106309

>>2106303
yes, yes and yes

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>>2106295

>
There is nothing wrong with that, except that those goals have no meaning because they could never be intentionally undertaken.

Ponder this; do you ever make plans and then set them into action? Let me rephrase that, to avoid your predictable response, do you feel as if you make plans and then set them into action? If you want to go out for a bite to eat, don't you go through the motions as if you are controlling yourself?

This feeling will never go away. Never. So let me ask you, would it feel different to you if you had "real free will"(whatever that means)? Or would it feel the same as it does already?

Even if it's an illusion, it's a perfect one. So, if it already feels like we have free will, what does it matter whether or not we do?

It doesn't matter.

>> No.2106328

>>2106185
Softly

>> No.2106331

>>2106309
Okay than we have something to work on.

As a human I can either: a) continue to be a machine or b) cease to be a machine. (for lack of better analogous phrasing). Now, assuming b) will happen eventually. I only have on real choice, do I want to experience what it is like to be machine ?

Feel free to correct or try to reiterate anything I have said i am trying to understand, honestly.

>> No.2106335

I'm an atheist, and I still believe I have free will.

So what? LOLOLOLOLOL

>> No.2106339

>>2106331
Would it be your fault if you killed yourself?

>> No.2106341

>>2106335
>I'm an atheist, and I still believe I have free will.

You're an idiot. Do you even know what that means? That means you're saying that the human brain doesn't obey physical law.

>> No.2106346

>>2106331
And we'd rather experience being machines...

The only reason you'd choose nothing over something is if the something was negative.

>> No.2106347

>>2106317
holy fuck dude, you just fucked my mind. not even joking, i don't even know to how to respond. I will think on what you have said.

>> No.2106349

>>2106289
Consider this. Are you afraid of death?

>> No.2106350

>>2106341
I'm an atheist and I don't believe in physical law.

So what? LOLOLOLOLOOLLOL

>> No.2106351

Y'all athiests goin down!

>> No.2106354

>>2106349
Nobody is afraid of death. We are however afraid of dying.

>> No.2106360

>>2106354
Why?

>> No.2106361

>>2106346
Wow thank you!

I feel like I finally broken down the logic to a single choice. I feel like I can respect either choice now, but it doesn't help me make a decision.

>> No.2106363

>>2106354
I'm afraid of death AND dying.

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>> No.2106369

>>2106360
Because:
A) We're moving into something unknown
B) It may hurt
or
C) We have huge egos and want to exsist.

>> No.2106370

>>2106347

You're welcome, young Padawan.

>> No.2106375

>>2106361
What does it matter if you make a decision. If you are going to be all nihilistic and shit, then just live your life, killing yourself is just as pointless as living.

>> No.2106386

>>2106369
Are you mortal?

>> No.2106394

>>2106386
Yes. My body is mortal. It eventually stops working. My body creates my mind, which eventually stops exsisting.

>> No.2106398

>>2106394
What proof do you have?

>> No.2106400

>>2106331
I said that we could be nothing more than machines, not that we are machines. You're pent up on the concept that without god man that there is no meaning to life or any reason to live. On the contrary, I enjoy learning as much as I can about the universe and any religious beliefs would hamper my ability to do that. Where I can imagine a universe without a self creating creator that punishes people for thought crimes, you can't. Where I can imagine a world without a celestial dictator sitting in the sky with indifference and folded arms, you can't. Where you can't masturbate without looking over your shoulder because it is an "immoral" act, I can. So why on earth would I want to limit myself with such silly thoughts. Or is that just me being a robot. Beep boop bop doot deet?

>> No.2106408

>>2106398
I have no prove but comparison to other people that die. However in a world where nothing can really be proven, that is fairly logical proof.

>> No.2106410

>>2106347
>>2106317
samefag

>> No.2106436

>>2106408
So you have never experienced death, do not know what it feels like to experience death, and you are afraid of it. Is there something I'm missing? Is it better to be irrationally afraid than it is to "irrationally" believe in God.

>> No.2106446

>>2106410

wrongfag.

>> No.2106456

>>2106436
>Is it better to be irrationally afraid than it is to "irrationally" believe in God.

Atheists aren't scared of death. It's YOU who's scared of death. You're so scared that you believe a web of lies to avoid acknowledging it.

>> No.2106462

>>2106456
So kill yourself

>> No.2106463

>>2106446
samesamefag

>> No.2106466

>>2106436
Well I am afraid of dying from a painful disease, I know what pain feels like. I have consciousness and wouldn't want to lose it, if that is the case with death. I've seen death, it does not look plesent.
I don't think it's too irrational to fear dying. It's fear of the unknown if anything.

As for beliving in a god, no that is not irrational at all. The odds that a god exsists is really 50/50. Either exsistance was created or it always exsisted.
However if you start adding details to 'god' that's when the odds start shrinking.

>> No.2106471

>>2106462
ohboyherewegoagain.jpg

>> No.2106472

>>2106466
So you are afraid of pain. WHY?

>> No.2106473

>>2106462

Why would I kill myself because I'm not scared of death?
Is your life so shitty that you would immediately kill yourself if God would let you?
My life is great, thanks for asking.

>> No.2106474

>>2106472
Because it fucking hurts.

>> No.2106476

>>2106473
Why wouldn't you?

>> No.2106479

>>2106466
>The odds that a god exsists is really 50/50. Either exsistance was created or it always exsisted.

That's not how probability works you numbskull

>> No.2106481

>>2106474
But why is he afraid of it?

>> No.2106482

I have a feeling that me fag is tripping on and off in order to seem like there is more theists up in here.

>> No.2106484

>>2106476
You're asking me why I am NOT killing myself....?
Alright then, why are you NOT jumping up and down on one leg while eating pasta?

>> No.2106485

>>2106472

Are you seriously asking this?

>> No.2106489

>>2106482
The internet can do that.

>> No.2106491

>>2106479
You could get into specifics, but there are really only two basic options.

>> No.2106493

>>2106481
pain is something people don't enjoy you dense fuckshit

go kill yourself and meet jeezus

>> No.2106494

>everything is pointless

>so you should kill yourself!

>and the point of doing that would be?

Brilliant logic, OP.

>> No.2106498

>>2106484
Why aren't you jumping up and down on one leg while eating pasta? Why is this so hard? Why can't you answer simple questions?

>> No.2106499

>>2106481
Because I don't like pain, and don't want to experience it.
I'm not cowering in the corner every day for fear that I might get hurt. Fear doesn't immobalize me.
But I wouldn't want to experience it.

>> No.2106502

>>2106466
You are sort of right...

Why do people always assume that if the universe was CREATED, the it must have been created by a conscious being of some sort. That is an incredibly ridiculous assumption.

So your two options should be "either it was always there or it wasn't always there". The later does NOT imply god.

>> No.2106504

>>2106493
Why are you calling me names? Why are you afraid of things you don't enjoy?

>> No.2106506
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2106506

Hmm, as a Christian I don't find the line of logic of attributing atheism to nihilism any better than atheists who use their lack of faith to justify their ammoralism. I haven't read the whole thread so maybe it's dwindled from that since the initial instigator.

But that whole line of logic is flawed.

>> No.2106508

>>2106498
Wait, you're agreeing with me...?
I'm lost.

>> No.2106509

>>2106499
What is fear?

>> No.2106511

>>2106506
Genuine question, you seem thoughtful.
Do you believe that Jesus rose from the dead?
If so, why?

>> No.2106513

>>2106508
No, I'm asking you why you aren't jumping up and down on one leg eating pasta.

>> No.2106514

>>2106502
Yeah but my personal definition, which is what I gathered from the basic understanding of the word 'god', is something that started exsistance. If exsistance started itself, I would consider that god.
It's just a word anyhow.

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2106515

>"either it was always there or it wasn't always there"

This is kind of a meaningless distinction. It's not like there can be nothing just sitting there being nothing while a clock is ticking, then at 3.30pm reality started existing...in the context of..what? Something that isn't reality, but that reality just sits in? If you follow me.

The question makes no sense.

>> No.2106516

>>2106502
>>2106466
The odds of something existing before space existed to exist in is ridiculous.

>> No.2106521

>>2106513
....are you stupid or something? That was my point! I was pointing out how it isn't easy to answer a question about why you're NOT doing something.
I was implying that there's no easy answer to why I'm NOT killing myself.

Do you really not get that?

>> No.2106523

>>2106504
There is no deeper reason, the buck stops there.

Are you getting at something, or are you just confused?

>> No.2106524

>>2106509
An emotion your brain creates to stop you from doing stupid shit.

>> No.2106525

>>2106494
Op here, when did I say that?

>> No.2106540

>>2106513
Where are you going with this shit? Or are you just asking random pointless questions to throw us off track for no reason?
Cool debating skills bro.

>> No.2106544

>>2106525
Sorry, I've been reading the crazy suicide guy's posts so long I started thinking it was his thread.

Of course that guy won't respond to my post which points out how retarded he is. He will just keep rambling on.

>> No.2106551

>>2106521
I do not that. You didn't answer the question yet.

>> No.2106554

>>2106516
Actually, the odds of something existing before space existed to exist in is zero.

Just like there's nothing south of the south pole, there was nothing before creation.

>> No.2106565

>>2106551
So kill yourself

>> No.2106568

>>2106551
wait.. are you admitting you're a troll?

>> No.2106571

>>2106565
Why?

>> No.2106573

>>2106551
Let's cut the chase, this is getting boring. Tell us what your point is.

>> No.2106575

What exactly makes up exsistance? If there were alternate laws of physics somewhere with matter that to us didn't exsist, would that still fall under exsistance?
Or is exsistance only that which we can percieve?
Can there be alternate exsistances? Or would that just fall under exsistance?

>> No.2106577

>>2106571
Please stop doing this.

>> No.2106579

>>2106573
I don't have a point.

>> No.2106584

>>2106577
Why?

>> No.2106588

>>2106579
Atheists: 1
Theists: 0

>> No.2106589

>>2106575
That's just semantics. Obviously the answer is that if something exists, well then...it would be accurate to say it exists.

Wait. Are you guys retarded?

>> No.2106598

>>2106579

No kidding. Seriously, how old are you?

>> No.2106606

>>2106598
28

>> No.2106610

>>2106606
That's not good. Very bad sign.

>> No.2106615

>>2106589
So if there were something else, it would just be an alternate reality?
That would make it possibe for something in an alternate reality to create this reality, right? If there was an alternate reality at all, of course. It's kind of hard to say though.

>> No.2106619

>>2106584
So you can be in a better place and meet jeezus and god man, why are you waiting to kill yourself?

>> No.2106623
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2106623

>>2106511
Yes. I'm a Gnostic Christian and follow the teachings of Edgar Cayce, who explains the concept of becoming a Christianity in a literal sense. Jesus arose from the dead because He was the first soul incarnate to detach himself from material existence and connect with The Oneness, God.

By being freed from carnal existence through death, He became The Christ, and became One with the universe again, just as He was before He incarnated. In this instance He chose to re-inhabit His corpse. However, due to the vibrating nature of a spirit transgressing dimensions, which manifests itself through electrons/electricity at an atomic level that gives us all life, His body was vibrating at unnatural frequency, hence why He tells Mary not to touch Him when she approaches Him.

This is what I've come to believe from Edgar Cayce and Rudolph Steiner.

>> No.2106627

>>2106473
I would kill myself if I were not afraid of death. Is that somehow distasteful to you? Why? I've gotten no straight answers from you. No explanation as to why you wouldn't hop up and down on one leg eating pasta. Why not? Its a simple question, and I can give many hypothetical answers, but none of them are yours. Also, why the hate? Why the names, the insinuations of lessesness on my part? Why emotion?

>> No.2106629

>>2106577
bracing for murder...

>> No.2106632

>>2106615
You are like...describing something as something and then asking if it is what you just called it. If there was a shoe and then there was another shoe that did exist, but only one shoe was visible, are there two shoes?

Well...yeah, you just said that they both exist only one is invisible to the other so...you answered your own question as you asked it.

>> No.2106633

>>2106610
Why?

>> No.2106643

>>2106619
But why would I want that?

>> No.2106647

>>2106633
Because I was under the impression that I was talking to a child.

>> No.2106649

>>2106627
You didn't ask me about the pasta.

Why are you afraid of death?

>> No.2106651

this is just boring now.

>> No.2106662 [DELETED] 

>>2106653
FUCKING OWNED

CHECK MY QUADS, CHRISTFAGS!

>> No.2106652

>>2106649
There is no reason.

>> No.2106653

>>2106627
>I would kill myself if I were not afraid of death. Is that somehow distasteful to you?

No, I just feel bad for you. Have you seen a therapist?

>> No.2106660

>>2106647
>implying he's not the mental equivalent to a child.

He's here to see space ships.

>> No.2106661

>>2106632
I'm just trying to work out acceptable terms for future discussions.
Creation of exsistance = no
Creation of reality = ?
Half of the arguments regarding gods and exsistance comes from a poor choice of words used.

>> No.2106667

>>2106662
Jesus forgives.

>> No.2106669

>>2106653
This is even worse than being hated. Well, its less threatening, but its still objectionable. You're automatically jumping to the conclusion that life is preferable to death. Why are you so rigid on this? You don't give clear answers and all I want is to have a talk.

>> No.2106672

>>2106647
And?

>> No.2106679

>>2106652
Then it is an unreasonable thought to be afraid of death, kill yourself and meet jeezus and god man. The bible says it is a better place. You believe the bible don't you? It says it is the word of god man and we all know that god man is infallible because that he is in the bible.

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2106680

>>2106660

Look...I appreciate that you're making fun of the guy, your hearts in the right place, but please, learn to use the word imply correctly.

>> No.2106693

>>2106680
>implying that there are implications for using "imply" improperly.

>> No.2106704

>>2106679
So what if its unreasonable?

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2106709

>>2106317
samefag here.

All of this nihilistic obsessing over lack of meaning is pardon the pun, pointless.

Following the same reasoning as my previous post, what difference would it make if there was some final cosmic logic that imbued everything with meaning? The concept is just as incoherent as the concept of free will, because ultimately it's up to you whether or not that meaning is important to you.

We already make meaning and follow logic, following my example about free will in the last post, what difference does it make? None.

We already experience meaning and will, we already have that experience. What else do you want?

It's like having a perfect hologram of a hot woman, and the sex feels completely real...but she's just a hologram, she's not really a woman at all, just light! Well...how many of you would just say fuck it and get over it?

All of you? Mmhmm.

>> No.2106713

>>2106669
How is life not preferable to death? I missed that one :(

You seem suicidal dude, you should just end it.

On chatroulette

>> No.2106715

>>2106679
Also, come on, you live in a shithole. You are obviously alone, and you are a bit of a bully. Big internet bully. God, I don't know, I kind of want to hang out with you because you seem empty. But surely we would be enemies in real life. What are you, fat? Skinny weird guY? Come on, l want to know.

>> No.2106718

>>2106713
How is life preferable to death?

>> No.2106724

>>2106709
Were it that I could have your grace, in responding to nihilism.

>> No.2106728

>>2106709
That's very good.

>> No.2106731

>>2106709
How does one have sex with light? Would a flashlight work as a fleshlight?

>> No.2106735

>>2106728
How is it very good?

>> No.2106736

>>2106731
Duh... trivialies. Is this thread over?

>> No.2106740

>>2106735
are you the poster I was responding to?

>> No.2106741

are you kidding me?? its people like you that call them "belifs" so you can continue living in ignorance.I think you need to open your heart and mind a bit..

>> No.2106743

>>2106740
Are you the poster I'm responding to?

>> No.2106747

>>2106715
My body type has nothing to do with this conversation, but nice red herring. All you need to know is that I'm very sexy and I wear a duster. It's like a coat, but it's longer, thicker and far more badass. It makes me look like Lorenzo Lamas and women find it irresistible.

>> No.2106754

>>2106747
Oh anonymous, so lying!

>> No.2106759

>>2106718
I prefer it. If you don't, then why are you here? End that shit YO!

>> No.2106760

>>2106754
Prove it.

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2106765

>>2106731
Think of the holodeck from star trek. Only in this scenario you would be one of the holograms as well, so it's even less of a big deal that you're in a holodeck.

>> No.2106774

>Go to 4chan.
>Go to a board based on science and math.
>Mention God.
>Expect few responces
>Thread still on page 1 4 hours and 280+ posts later.

GODWILLSIT.JPG

>> No.2106775

>>2106759
We've covered it.
>>2106765
Ed?

>> No.2106787

>>2106774
that's because 90% of the people here are just Dawkins fanboys and don't really know anything about science. Sagan videos sure are trippy though, bet that dude liked his ganja hahah hahah durrr

>> No.2106800

>>2106775
No you haven't, all you've said is "BAWWW I'm afraid of death" So why are you still here? Nobody loves you. Except god and Jesus. Go be with them.

>> No.2106805

>>2106787
Meh, I prefer Christopher Hitchens

>> No.2106810

>>2106718
Death doesn't exsist. Death is just absence of life.
It is natural for us to prefer life over the absence of life, exsistance over nonexsistance.
The only people that would want nonexsistance over exsistance are people that can't handle exsistance.
We can't help but want to live unless living is too much of a struggle. If you'd rather not live, that is a sign of a struggle.

>> No.2106813

>>2106800
BOOHOOHOO ATHEIST CAN'T HAVE HIS WAY!

>> No.2106819

>>2106805
*coughcoughcough* But pray for me guys.. like, if you believe in that or whatever... But I don't... so, just saying. Whatever... like, up to you... if you feel like it.


PLEASE PRAY FOR ME! I DUN GOOFED! LAWDY LAWDY TAKE MUH CANCA UWAY!

>> No.2106820

>>2106787
feelsbadman.jpg

sad but true.

>> No.2106829

>>2106805
Yeah, I got into all of those...pop culture intellectuals a while ago.

I kind of realized that I was turning into one of those annoying 20 year old fanboys that fetishizes IQ and athiesm, that just kind of latch onto figures like Dawkins and Hitchens and say, "see I'm with these guys, we agree on issues, this kind of makes me seem smart by proxy!". It's just kinda bullshit.

Not saying those guys are never interesting though.

>> No.2106832

>>2106819
He's never once said that, he says people should not pray for him.

faggot

>> No.2106834

>>2106810
Perhaps you should explain what you mean by handle it.

>> No.2106838

>>2106832
Oh yeh? My bad. I must have misread the desperation in his eyes which literally said "I will sign away my soul for any amount of life more than that which I have."

>> No.2106842

Seriously though, Hitchens was not that interesting.

Debating god= boooring.

Besides that, he just seems to have a lot of bullshit to say about Iraq, which he is dead wrong about.

>> No.2106849

>>2106834
If unhappiness and unfulfillment outways happiness and enjoyment, people turn to death to rid them of daily stress, an easy way out if you will...
Every case is different, but they're all along the same lines.
You can still fear death and be suicidal.

>> No.2106851

>>2106810
>It is natural for us to prefer life over the absence of life, exsistance over nonexsistance.
Are there any instances when it is natural to prefer the opposite?
>struggle
With what, pray tell?

>> No.2106856

>>2106849
What is unnatural about this?

>> No.2106857

>>2106851
See:>>2106849

>> No.2106861

>>2106829
I've never felt some vicarious intellect from sharing a viewpoint, I simply enjoy seeing others tear down religious arguments.

>> No.2106867

>>2106856
Well, it's not really unnatural. I never said it was.

>> No.2106868

>>2106834
Perhaps you should take an English class. You have a hard time with a lot of words here.

>> No.2106869

>>2106857
Also, you put forth a concept which you later dropped. You mentioned "handle" as though it were a skill, then retracted that idea in favor of a more objective description of people who commit suicide as a way out. I don't see how "handling" has anything to do with the pleasure/pain balance.

>> No.2106876

>>2106867
You stated it was natural to prefer existence to non existence.

>> No.2106877

>>2106869
Some people handle stress and depression better than others.

>> No.2106879

>>2106861
It would be more satisfying for me if at some point say...ever, the religious person they were debating said, "you know what, that makes sense, you're right!" But instead it's just a lot of preaching to the choir, at the end, both of them just carry on with their opinions unchanged.

>> No.2106881

>>2106868
Perhaps you should leave if you don't have anything to say.

>> No.2106884

>>2106877
How do they do this?

>> No.2106887

>>2106876
Yes I did. But when you're faced with that much stress and depression it is somewhat natural to to give up.
Extream depression isn't suppose to be natural within out bodies, it usually brought on by external situations. However it is a natural thing when those situations arise.

>> No.2106890

>>2106881
What does say mean?

>> No.2106893

>>2106890
I mean it

>> No.2106897

>>2106884
Different mentalities.

>> No.2106898

>>2106893
You mean what?

>> No.2106901

>>2106897
What would be an example?

>> No.2106902

>>2106893
What does mean mean?

>> No.2106904

>>2106898
I mean your sorry ass is

>> No.2106906

>>2106887
Actually no, I take that back. Now that I think about it depression and suicidal thoughts are not natural, there is a mental issue there.

>> No.2106908

>>2106904
What does sorry mean?

>> No.2106909

>>2106902
What do you mean?

>> No.2106914

>>2106906
inb4 psychology is a psudoscience

>> No.2106915

>>2106908
Why are you asking?

>> No.2106920

>>2106909
What does you mean?

>> No.2106921

>>2106901
Two people both given the same assignment, they both find it difficult. One of them stress out over it the other relaxes and clears his head, before continuing.

>> No.2106923

>>2106915
Why are you asking?

>> No.2106924

>>2106906
Anyway, you haven't really answered the question of why living is preferable to dying.

>> No.2106925

>>2106923
Asking what?

>> No.2106928

>>2106915
I'm just trying to have a conversation here, you're the one that can't answer simple questions.

>> No.2106930

>>2106921
That isn't an example

>> No.2106933

>>2106928
You are?

>> No.2106935

>>2106924
It comes natural. They're on the same level of importance, which is none.
But we naturally want to live and can't help it.

>> No.2106936

>>2106935
Ah

>> No.2106937

Prove that God exists.
You can't.
I win.

"Prove that God doesn't exist."
You can't prove a negative.
I win, again.
Argument. is. over.

>> No.2106938

>>2106930
What example did you expect? That is an example of someone handling a situation better due to a better mentality. What did you want an example of?

>> No.2106940

>>2106938
An example of a better mentality.

>> No.2106946

>>2106940
That was an example of a better mentality.

>> No.2106948

>>2106946
No it wasn't.

>> No.2106949

>>2106924
Ever heard of genes?
They're tiny little things that tell your body what to do.
If they didn't, you'd probably be dead.

>> No.2106950

What does what mean?

>> No.2106952
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2106952

whoop de doo, normative claims are not facts.

>> No.2106954

>>2106948
How wasn't it?

>> No.2106957

>>2106949
I tell my body what to do.

>> No.2106958

>>2106957
Prove it.

>> No.2106960

>>2106958
By doing what?

>> No.2106961

>>2106957
Yes, and you're made of genes.
You don't really have a choice but to remain alive, it's encoded in the genes & in your DNA.

>> No.2106963

>>2106960
By killing yourself.

>> No.2106966

Tell us about those lights again, man.

>> No.2106973

>>2106963
Why would I do that?

>> No.2106978

>>2106973
To prove your point is true.

>> No.2106994

>>2106978
His point is moot.
He can't tell his heart to stop beating, he can't even stop breathing until he passes out.
The body has mechanisms for coping with this sort of bullshit.
We have no free will, everything is predetermined.

>> No.2106995

>>2106978
I bet he won't because his genes tell him to be afraid of death. Or he's afraid of hell. Suicide is a big no no in the bible.

>> No.2107010

Can you guys even remember what you are arguing about?

>> No.2107014

>>2106995
It's an even bigger no no for atheists - since they know this is the only life they'll get.

As opposed to retarded Christfags or sandniggers that think there's a special fairy tale land just for them after they're dead.

>> No.2107022

>>2107010
We were arguing about something?

>> No.2107028

>>2107010
yeah.
about how much of a faggot God is.

>> No.2107030

>>2107014
Well Atheists expereience unconsciousness where as Christfags fear they'll be tortured for killing themselves.

I don't think it's as much a no no for atheists.

>> No.2107044

>>2107030
most christfags i know think they'll all go to heaven when all the retarded judging bullshit goes down.
so yes, there's probably a few asshole christfags who actually believe they're going to hell, that's hilarious.

if you read the God delusion, they actually made a study where they found that religious fags feared death a whole lot more than atheists, due to hell probably.

>> No.2107055

>>2107030
also, you forgot about sandniggers.
if they blow themselves up, they'll get 72 virgins.

>> No.2107065

>>2107010
I'm still waiting for me to provide some proof or evidence as to why he thinks his god exists.

>> No.2107078

I always lol when the trolls give up.

>> No.2107082

>>2107065
he thinks god exists?
what a fucking joke.
people who think god exists are mentally challenged & need to grow the fuck up.
kids grow out of santa, why can't adults grow out of god?

>> No.2107085

>>2107078
atheists always in the God argument.
it's no contest really.

>> No.2107107

>>2107082
That or nigga be trollin