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/sci/ i need a good idea for my biology science fair project. it must be biology related and be able to finish it by Jan/Feb. My only idea so far is to take a male mouse and female mouse and see which can learn mazes faster, but i want something a little more in depth. any ideas?

>> No.2077428

sew a pigeon and a rat together, back to back

>> No.2077432

Canada > USA

>> No.2077434

>inb4 underage b&

>> No.2077435

make a volcano

>> No.2077437

>>2077435
>biology related

>> No.2077438
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2077438

>The stack of paper you'd have to fill out to do the experiment you're talking about

Maybe you can get away with it in highschool, but colleges won't let you touch vertebrates unless you have a VERY good reason.

Anyway, I'd do something with insects. They're abundant, and easy to deal with. OR, you can do plants. I hate plants, but you could rate ground cover 0-3 increasing and then rate canopy cover 0-3 decreasing and map your study area in google earth and you should get a negative correlation.

Or just do insects. Trust me.

>> No.2077446

>>2077438
why that much paperwork?

>> No.2077468

self bump

>> No.2077484

fuckin'...POTATO CLOCK...

>> No.2077514
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>>2077446
Unlike PETA would have you think, animal research is very regulated. This is the org that handles it:

http://www.iacuc.org/

and my university's version:

http://www.utexas.edu/research/rsc/iacuc/

Invertebrates, such as insects, aren't as well regulated, so undergrads tend to stick to them for experimental studies.

>> No.2077515

>>2077435

>> No.2077516

>>2077446
http://www.peta.org/

>> No.2077524

>>2077516
lol but its not like anything inhumane is happening. theyll be kept in cages with food and water, the only time they will be out is when theyre in the maze. and plus who would find out that im running experiments

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2077532

>>2077524
They won't.
Your fine as long as you're not in college.

Just play nice.

Also, if you do the maze thing, be sure to mention erasing their memories!:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/10/22/eternal-sunshine-of-the-spotless-mouse-scientis
ts-erase-mices-memories/

>> No.2077541

>>2077524
But PETA don't give a shit, they'll make up any old bullshit to get people to join them.

I got a letter through a while ago from them, it had a giant picture of a cute pet dog and it said in giant ass letters on it something to the effect of:

SCIENTISTS WILL FORCE FEED THIS ANIMAL GREEN TEA AND THEN DISSECT IT

I should have scanned it, it was that funny.

>> No.2077570

>>2077532
erase memory?

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>>2077570
Read the article.
You can't do it, but it's a fun thing to bring up.

CaM kinase II will be an interesting story in the coming years, I think.

>> No.2077591

>>2077532

Fucking Coyotes. Had to kill three of them this year.

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>>2077591
Why?

Also, please clarify whether you are in an urban or rural habitat type. Oh, in case you were wondering (or anyone else), that picture was from Chicago (5000 coyotes etc. etc...).

I'm studying coyotes via fecal analysis right now (laugh it up /sci/). My little family (mated pair and 2 juveniles) is in an urban area.

>> No.2077620

OP her. what about seeing how energy drinks/coffee affect the mouse's abillity to go through the maze? or is that inhumane?

>> No.2077642

>>2077617
Too close to the school. And what habitat do you think? Cities have animal control.

>> No.2077671 [DELETED] 

Bump

>> No.2077725

Bump

>> No.2077748

>>2077432
Canada < everything else
For one thing the charter of rights is bullshit. Look at the freedom of speech clause - it says restricted freedom of speech. What the fuck is that bullshit? Any restriction on speech or imposing of speech codes is not free speech. America is not much better with the FCC and all but still Canada is far more oppressed nation than even its citizens realize.

>> No.2077761

>>2077748
This thread has nothing to do with Canada.

>> No.2077769

>>2077761
Whats that? Thread has everything to do with Canada?

>> No.2077797

Self bump

>> No.2077813

>>2077420
Canada actually has worse health care than the US

>> No.2077821

>>2077813
Well as long as you got the bank, American health care beats waiting days in a Canadian ER.

>> No.2077824

>>2077813
Sure is American Buttmad in here!

>> No.2077833

>>2077821
Waiting days? I got hit by a car, got up, walked to the hospital. I was fully x-rayed within 3 hours, and it cost me nothing.

I love it when Americans invent these funny, exaggerated stories of wait-times in Canada, when it's actually far from it.

Also, our banking system is better than yours.

Enjoy your culture of lies and inferiority to just about every other country in the world, including Cuba.

>> No.2077840

>>2077833
Canadian here, I have to wait hours in the ER every single fucking time. So does everyone else that I know.

>> No.2077843

>>2077840
I've never had to wait more than 1 hour to see anybody, with one exception, and that was at some poor ass part of Toronto. Jane and Wilson or some shit.

>> No.2077855

>>2077840
Canadian here, I don't have first-hand experience with ER wait times because I've never wound up in one, let alone multiple times. Perhaps they're trying to cut their losses with you.

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>>2077843
Sunnybrook, Toronto General, North York General, etc - waiting time over 6 hours every time. Maybe its just Toronto, this city sucks dick.

>> No.2077860

Op here. anybody actually have any ideas for the bio project?

>> No.2077862

>>2077855
And you call that great healthcare? So much for equality in this bullshit police state.

>> No.2077867

>>2077856
Well, that explains it. Like I said, the only time I had to wait was in Toronto. I live in Alberta, and haven't had any problems at all. Everything's been pretty quick.

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2077871

Invent furries

>> No.2077875

>>2077867
OK when I say Canada sucks, I should say Canada sucks except for Alberta. You guys got an awesome province.

>> No.2077891

>>2077862

Naw, I was just testing to see if you're actually an American and lying about the whole thing.

You are.

Truth be told I was in the ER once with what turned out to be a fractured heel. I didn't wait more than half an hour, and even that wait was only because my condition was not serious.

>> No.2077904

>>2077891
As I stated before. I live in Toronto, and the ER wait times are over 6 hours minimum. Just because I'm not patriotic to this bullshit nation doesn't make me an American either.

>> No.2077916

>>2077860
>>2077860

>> No.2077919

>>2077916
That's what you get for using that picture, OP.

>> No.2077922

>>2077891
Truth be told I was in the EK once with what turned out to be MY MASSIVE COCK!

>> No.2077925

>>2077904

I've got family in TO who've been in hospital and I'm going to have to call you on your bullshit.

>> No.2077926

>>2077904
Great, but even other Canadians (I'm a former Toronto resident) are telling you that Toronto sucks. However, Toronto =/= rest of Canada. As far as we're concerned, you're America-lite.

>> No.2077934

>>2077919
Lesson learned.

>> No.2077939

>>2077904
>I went into the ER with a sprained ankle

I see. Perhaps you should reserve your use of the ER for actual emergencies.

>>2077926

You can always tell when your drive takes you near Toronto, because the skies turn shit brown.

>> No.2077940

>>2077926
This is Canada's largest city, it reflects every shortcoming of this country rather perfectly. I've lived around this country and while the landscape is awesome the government and citizens are amongst the gayest people I've ever encountered. Only exception being in Alberta and some parts of BC.

>> No.2077947

>>2077940

There are no Canadians living in Toronto, only Indians and Pakis.
Make of that what you will.

>> No.2077948

>>2077939
It was gastroenteritis, which felt a lot worse than usual. I don't even visit a clinic for sprains.

>> No.2077950

>>2077875
Yeah, when my sister went nuts and tried to kill herself, there was an immediate response, they held her overnight, and within 1 day she had an appointment, prescription meds, and scheduled for psychotherapy within 2 weeks. She was diagnosed with bipolar disorder. Out here we have a "double" system or whatever if that makes sense... where you can pay for private services for some things, or use what the province provides you. The province covered most of the cost of medication, and her husband's work benefits covered the rest, including the ambulance.

Ontario is just stupid with some "DO EVERYTHING THROUGH OHIP" faggotry.

>> No.2077958

>>2077948
>I went to the ER for a sore tummy

Well that certainly strengthens your case.

>> No.2077963

>>2077950
Ontario is Canada's weakest link. Every year the other provinces have to pay for its deadweight.

>> No.2077967

So much for asking /sci/ for biology help.

>> No.2077969

>>2077948
You do realise that's also not an emergency, right? And that as medical professionals, they know that your needs aren't a priority over many others who show up suffering potentially life threatening conditions like heart attacks, fractured spines, etc?

>> No.2077984

>>2077958
Sore doesn't even cut it, faggot. Felt like my intestines were gonna burst. If it was a tummy-ache I would've sat it through. There was also the time my sister of 6 years broke her arm and had to wait 7 hours in Sick Kids. This is exactly why our healthcare sucks, you faggots won't admit to your shortcomings and thus you perpetuate shitty service instead of doing something about it.

>> No.2077988

>Aircraft carriers
>America - 11
>canada - 0

boom

>> No.2077995

>>2077969
My stomach feeling as though its gonna burst isnt and emergency? Ok fine, I knew Canadian healkthcare was bullshit, what if it was something that required an immediate operation? Then what? Its not like the triage can tell shit.

>> No.2077996

>>2077984
It's not like they can do much about a broken arm immediately anyway, so you're going to end up waiting regardless. Also, Ontario sucks.

>> No.2078014

>>2077995
You are not a doctor. Sometimes I take a huge shit and feel like my ass is going to rip apart, I don't go to the ER demanding priority for constipation.

Believe it or not, people who go to the ER do so for things like, say.... heart attacks. Severe concussions. Fractured spine. Complications from cancer. Ruptured appendix. And so on. You know... EMERGENCIES.

A sore tummy isn't an emergency unless you tell them you're shitting and pissing blood. Then you'll receive quicker service.

>> No.2078015

>>2077996
Ontario sucks giant horsedicks, but hell they could've at least given her some morphine or any other analgesic while she waited in agony. So much for quality healthcare.

>> No.2078020

>>2078015
It's a broken arm. You suck it the fuck up.

>> No.2078027

>>2078014
Nurses aren't doctors either, man. Its not like they can figure out what caused the stomach pain.

>> No.2078032

>>2078020
Not something that you'd need to do with quality healthcare.

>> No.2078035

>>2078027
Quit justifying going to the ER for a fucking tummy ache that can be fixed by taking an OTC product like fucking gravol. The problem is that you are a faggot, and even the ER realised how much of an unimportant faggot you were, so they made you wait.

Congratulations. You've been diagnosed with faggot.

>> No.2078042

>>2078032
Don't know any other countries in the world that give you morphine for a broken arm while you're waiting. Stop being a faggot.

>> No.2078044

>>2077984

Do you know what the emergency crew could do about your gastroenteritis? Abso-fucking-lutely nothing.

Do you know what a private medical practice could do about your gastroenteritis? Abso-fucking-lutely nothing.
But at least you could pay to have their attention at the expense of somebody else who needs it more.

>>2077995
>Its not like the triage can tell shit.

They're actually very good at this. Triage is performed precisely because it is effective.

>>2078032

Quality health care can mend broken bones right there in the ER?

>> No.2078051

>>2078035
Oh look the Canuck is angry at the fact that his beloved country is a bigger shithole than he could've imagined.
I took bismuth and was willing to wait out the night but couldn't. Moral of the story is that this isn't quality healthcare, I could've easily payed a privatized doctor to check me but no I live in this shithole of a country.

>> No.2078055

>ER makes a hypochondriac wait instead of diverting resources from critical cases
>somehow this is supposed to make me angry at the health care system

>> No.2078057

>>2078051
Still doesn't matter, because private doctor would have taken your money and given you a comfortable bed to sleep in while he stuck your ass with a shot of gravol.

Looks like someone is angry for feeling stupid for going to the ER for something that wasn't an emergency.

>> No.2078059

America has 11 carriers

>> No.2078060

Calm down

>> No.2078065

>>2078059
and 150 million double niggers

>> No.2078066

>>2078057
It could've been an emergency. And if the traige knew anything they could've told me to go home instead of making me wait for 6 hours. Therefore go fuck yourself.

>> No.2078073

>>2078066
They could have told you to go home, and you'd still be whining anyway, because faggots like you make everything difficult.

>> No.2078082

>>2078073
Other way around faggot, its faggots like you that let shit slide that are the true source of bullshit in the world.

>> No.2078083

>>2078065
whats wrong with black people

>> No.2078089

>>2078082
SURE IS BUTTHURT IN HERE! "Faggots" like us go to the ER for emergencies and get quick, prompt service.

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>> No.2078095
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2078095

Australia's healthcare is better than all your bitches, and it's still pretty shit.

>> No.2078100

>>2078089
Oh I know why, you sucked the male nurse's cock, didn't you? Now it makes sense.

>> No.2078102

>>2078066
>hospital triage
>turning people away

You were in there at a young age for eating paint chips, weren't you?

They'll still treat even trivial cases if they can.

>> No.2078104

>>2078100
U MAD BRO? AHAHAHAHA

>> No.2078109

>>2078104
No, waiting 6 hours in line is better than getting nurse jizz all over my face like you did.

>> No.2078113

>>2078109
lol u mad

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2078135

fucking lol, posting in the most awesome thread I've read all weak. Pic unrelated

>> No.2078139

>>2078135
May be unrelated but still valid.

>> No.2078179

fuck canada

>> No.2078195

Canada, the land of beaver tails and where people willingly lie about the quality of healthcare even if it costs their own lives.

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>>2078195

>> No.2078366

Canada's healthcare system is good for taking care of actual life threatening injures at no cost.

The system itself is good, but it has been buttfucked by people abusing the system. Since everything is free, people go to the hospital everytime they get a fucking headache, which means people with actual problems have to wait for ever.

The simplest solution would be to add a small charge for visits to doctors and the hospital to weed out a lot of the people that don't actually need to be there.

>> No.2078378

>>2078366

The simple solution would be to strip citizen rights from hypochondriacs and ship them off to your northern labour camps.

>> No.2078406

>>2078366
This is what you people simply don't understand. If you have an ailment how do you know what it is pre-diagnosis? A headache can be the onset of a barrage of complications. And nurses are far too incompetent to know just by checking your pulse and a few other details what ails you.

>> No.2078422

>>2078406

But do you think that every time someone gets a headache they should be seeing a doctor? Its that thinking which ruined the system.

>> No.2078433

>>2078422
Yes, because its not them that ruined the system, its the system not being able to keep up with its clients (taxpayers) that ruined itself. If you pay such high taxes, like the ones in Canada, wouldn't you expect quality services and not excuses in return?

>> No.2078458

>>2078433

Granted, its the systems fault for being so easy to take advantage of. But the fee would still get rid of the people that know they don't really need to be there.

Or if people are still going all the time, than at least they'll be paying money, and hopefully the money will help improve the system.

>> No.2078481

>>2078458
Then what about those people that are unsure? Lets say someone started feeling some symptoms that may indicate a severe illness. And it turns out it was a temporary benign instance of something. Will you force them to pay on top of their Canadian (high) taxes for worrying about their well-being?

>> No.2078508

>>2078481

Absolutely.

>> No.2078513

grow some mold on some bread or something

or grow shrooms

or grow bacteria

or make alcohol!

or grow plants and stress them in some way (limit light, limit water, blow cigarette smoke on them, etc etc etc)

or suck a dick

or PRESTON, Atones

>> No.2078528

>>2078508
You know what that will result in, right? More people left untreated because of some fee. More untreated results in a higher death toll. A better solution would be to have the option of privatized healthcare and to hire more doctors. We don't need anymore incompetent nurses. If you wanna know why the system is failing - look over at the nurse-to-doctor ratio.

>> No.2078529

>>2078481

Do you not have GPs in Canada? Ie rather than dragging your ass to ER, call your local doctor, book a time, turn up then and tell him all about how you scraped your elbow?

>> No.2078536

>>2078529
Of course we have clinics, but even those are a dreary mess. I have to wait 2 weeks before a an appointment. Though this is Toronto, the shittiest city in the world, may be different in other parts of Canada.

>> No.2078544

>>2078529
>>2078529

>call your doctor
>book a time
>see you in 4 months