face it,

[patachu !LULZISTwQI No.2061928]

it's just more comfortable to know/imagine that there's other evolved life in the rest of the universe, others find more comfortable the idea that God exist, but unless proven otherwise, it will remain a myth.

extraterrestrial life is an illusion we want to believe, but inside of us all, you know the truth. there's nothing up there. nothing. no god, no ET, no Elvis... nothing.


we're alone, if we exist if that's because we're like a bug, a dysfunction in this absurd immensity, a product that wasn't supposed to happen.

unless proven otherwise we have the potential, and are on the way to annihilate progressively or quickly the only lifeform of the only inhabited planet of the universe.

fun, no ?
[ then, what will be the purpose of the universe without us ? will it still exist even if there's nobody/nothing to know it exist ? ]

[Anonymous No.2061935]

>>2061928
Does your keyboard not have a broken shift key?

[patachu !LULZISTwQI No.2061997]

>>2061935
sometimes i use caps, alas i figured out it was a mistake. an huge mistake.

Nah thanks for pointing this out : I never took the habit of Shift-ing since i had a computer.

[GodofCider No.2062021]

And...why exactly is a universe capable of supporting life(note the presence of us), somehow incapable of supporting life?

[patachu !LULZISTwQI No.2062069]

>>2062021
Because life was not supposed to happen, to develop into bacteria, cells and evolve. the cocktail of substances which made it might be unique. It's nice to calculate the probability of planets like the earth with water, air, everything we have there. there's trillions and trillions around, and more. but again the complexity it's been to have life in one of these is really close to nothing.

Sorry.

[GodofCider No.2062078]

>>2062069

>Because life was not supposed to happen

Probability of life happening?

>Looks outside.

100%

[Anonymous No.2062080]

Is there a lottery winner so lucky that there will never be another winner again, ever?

[EK !D96TK2PSsI No.2062110]

>>2061928

[patachu !LULZISTwQI No.2062137]

>>2062078
from our point of view yes, this planet is full of life. but that's not representative of the universe. in fact that's what makes us think it's easy to have life growing on a planet. but it doesn't pop up from scratch so easily. and trust me i wish i'm wrong when i think that.

[Anonymous No.2062152]

>>2062137
No one is saying it just pops up easily, however even if the chances of life occurring were 1/1000000000000000 you would still have the possibility of life on millions of planets. Remember that with the sheer size of the universe statistically improbable things happen all the time.

[Anonymous No.2062177]

Shut the fuck up.


You act as if the elements, compounds, and forces that compose us are ostracized towards a single solar system.

Somewhat similar patterns as our own exist all around us, it isn't too far of a stretch to believe that there does in fact exist a pattern close enough to our own that could support life in this titanic universe. A universe so large that it is indefinite, truly immortal to the human experience.

So once again, shut the hell up. I'm not speaking out of a coping mechanism. You seem to be trying to project realism towards hooligans, yet you're under the pretense that you're actually being reasonable. What is worse, many people in this thread seemed to agree.

[Anonymous No.2062183]

Theories show that life came from abiotic factors
like, the primordial soup and lightning
shit can happen

[Anonymous No.2062185]

;_;

Belief in life outside the Solar system is no different than any unsubstantiated belief.

[GodofCider No.2062197]

>>2062177
Dresden Codak. ^_^

>>2062185
Wow, that is sad trolling.

[Anonymous No.2062198]

>>2062177
Cool religion, bro. Any hard evidence?

[Anonymous No.2062206]

>mfw humans are the precursor race that propagates the universe with the races
>mfw our mysterious disappearance leaves only relics of technology so advanced that other races look at them as the works of Gods, for we are.

[Anonymous No.2062207]

>>2062185
life occuring in our solar system is proof enough that it is possible anywhere else. the burden of proof is on your side to prove WHY it wouldnt happen anywhere else. saying it unlikely just proves your point wrong so dont even try

[GodofCider No.2062212]

>>2062206
But why would we be gone? Perhaps merely hanging out watching?

[Anonymous No.2062213]

Say for some fucktarded reason we were all alone in the universe. Fine, then we would just terraform other planets to make life suitable and spread the seeds of life ourselves.

[Anonymous No.2062215]

>>2062198
>>2062198

Vacuous argument, much like "is there any hard evidence there is no God?".

When there is no objective and definite answer, you examine probability. In this case, probability favors one outcome very much so.

[Anonymous No.2062224]

>>2062198
Not the person you were asking but the fact that life has happened here is evidence enough.

[Anonymous No.2062225]

>>2062198

>there's nothing up there

This too is an unsubstantiated claim based upon belief.

The argument goes "We have found nothing, therefore there is nothing."

The opposing side says "We are that something, therefore there is something."

The rational mind says "Evidence must be provided either way."

tl:dr Both sides are making buttfucking claims with no evidence for or against.

[Anonymous No.2062226]

>>2062197
>trolling
Yeah, I know. It's trolling to not subscribe to moronic notions created by the modern day equivalent of hebrew fishermen.

Curious, though. Why are you not on >>>/x/? They love that shit.

[Anonymous No.2062228]

>>2062213
but we wouldnt spread the seeds of life. we would inhabite them ourselves. perhaps some planets will be made into research planets. to do experiments on a planetary scale. but no seeding of life

[Anonymous No.2062229]

>>2062212
Scifi and shit. The advanced race is always never to be scene. Only advanced ruins and bits of technology that survived for millenniums. Fight some big bad unspeakable darkness bitches. Turn into pure energy or shit. Pretty boss.

[Anonymous No.2062238]

>>2062225
>>2062225

>I'm either a troll or an absolute buffoon who just embarrassed himself.

Examine the arguments before blabbering some rudimentary idiocy.

[Anonymous No.2062245]

>>2062225
I'm sorry but you are making the same retarded mistake agnostics make, you assume that either or is on equal footing when the fact that life has occurred here is evidence that life DOES happen so it is safe to assume that life has happened on atleast one other of the 10^1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 planets out there.

[GodofCider No.2062252]

>>2062229
Lmao ^_^

Either way, I think we'll still be around. Well...not we in our present form anyways; evolution and the progression of technology, etc.

[Anonymous No.2062253]

>>2061928
It is perfectly logical to say there is no God, there is no evidence that God exists. Nor has there ever been any evidence for the existance of any kind of god or "creator".

It is not logical to say that we are alone in the universe. We have proof (us), that life exists in the universe. Its isnt a big jump to assume that more life (like us or more primative) could be out there. The only logical conclusion that can be made, is that it is "possible".

[Anonymous No.2062263]

>>2061997

>"patachu" trip
>an huge mistake.
>14 year-old detected

Nothing to see here folks, move along.

[Anonymous No.2062265]

>>2062207
The burden of proof lies to you to prove that the conditions that led to life on Earth were not a unique cosmic coincidence.

>>2062215
There is hard evidence some beings can't exist in our reality, yes.

>>2062225
I made no claims. I'm just sitting here being all sad I'll never meet a Klingon or an asari, then you guys come up with "LOL ALIENS". You are the ones making claims.

[Anonymous No.2062268]

>>2062245
the universe is not infinite, or even even that large to make all statistical improbablities likely.

[Anonymous No.2062276]

>>2062268

The improbability of life is within the dominion of the universe's scale. Quite easily, actually.

[Anonymous No.2062284]

>>2062265
The fact that you said "The burden of proof lies to you to prove that the conditions that led to life on Earth were not a unique cosmic coincidence." makes me think you have no actual understanding of the sheer scope of the universe. On top of that we are made out of the most common elements in the universe, its not like we are some crazy collection of super rare elements that just happened to somehow get mixed together. It is safe to assume, note it is still a guess but an educated guess that life will occur elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.2062285]

>>2062276
True. (1/googol)*googol still equals 1.

[Anonymous No.2062294]

If you think life on this planet is unique. You don't know SHIT about the universe. The chances of us actually finding other lifeforms is extremely small because human beings themselves are minuscule to the scale of the universe.

[Anonymous No.2062304]

>guilty until proven innocent
Cute.

[Anonymous No.2062312]

The burden of proof is on you to prove we aren't just in the matrix getting butt fucked by machines.

[Anonymous No.2062316]

>>2062284

although I do not agree with him, There is in fact though the Theory discussed by Stephen Hawkins regarding that life started in a pool of amino acids which contained molecules that would clash with each other time and time again until it "accidentally" created the right formula for "Life"

but then again we also have Drakes Equation....

[Anonymous No.2062325]

>>2062284
"Quarks are abundant, therefore life is abundant."
How do you feel about this? Seems like a big logical jump, no?
How about "Carbon is abundant (technically it's not), therefore life is abundant."?

With what criterion do you judge one as illogical and the other as logical? Where do you draw the line? Where does your faith begin?


PS, the whole is more than the sum of its parts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_hF9zq4QXU

[Anonymous No.2062339]

>>2062316
... which says nothing about the nature of the world.

If you plug the right values in, you get anything between 0 and infinite civilizations in the cosmos.

[Anonymous No.2062341]

We are an abnormality to the norm, I agree.

That being said, it's like the lottery. The odds of winning are absolutely insurmountable.....but lo and behold someone wins about every week.

Given enough space and time; life has and will continue to pop up.

[Anonymous No.2062344]

OP:
>my nihilism reflects reality... at least unless someone can prove me wrong, in which case I guess I'm full of shit aren't I.... but since I basically admit that my conjectures are based on nothing but my feelings, you're really better off just ignoring me.

[Anonymous No.2062435]

>>2062339

Yes an there was another guy who created his own equation based on Drakes, I cant remember for the life of me who or what that equation was...

[Anonymous No.2062473]

>>2062344
You:

>Life is so precious it can't be the result of random events! MY LIFE MUST HAVE PURPOSE. God put me here! And he put many like me everywhere. And he gave us command over matter, and he said unto us: You shall taste every fruit, but for the fruit of tangible evidence. And on the third day, lo and behold, you were still a moron with a trite postulate about the abundance of life.

[Anonymous No.2062557]

>>2062473

You:

>I haven't advanced emotionally since the seventh grade, so I'm pretty sure that there is no God. Also, I'm pretentious enough to assume that Life is a fickle mistress - my planet is special and so is my species. But since there's no God, we don't have a purpose. I'm going to contemplate this deeply since I don't have any hobbies or systems to contribute to, then try to spread my misery despite the overwhelming odds that I'm wrong.

[Anonymous No.2062617]

So, OP is either a troll or a moron. Or, given the existence of /b/, both.

[Anonymous No.2062625]

>>2062557
You:

>Yeah, I'll now pull an argument on authority. Bitches fall for that shit, I'll say there's math somewhere to support my claims. OVERWHELMING ODDS. OH SWEET BABY CHRIST YES! This is the perfect expression. Now I'll call the other guy emotionally retarded, which will automatically win me the argument. Bonus points if it's true and I hurt his feelings. It's a WIN-WIN baby. Hm, what else? I better use the word 'pretentious'. I see so many adults using it. It must be hurtful. Yes, by Holy Ghost's sacred cloaca, I have won the debate! I have created aliens out of thin air!

[Anonymous No.2062630]

Aliens may not exist but people who act like pretentious sixth graders sure do.

[Anonymous No.2062633]

>>2062625
>>2062557
>>2062473
>>2062344
Christ guys, how old are you? Five? Six?

[Anonymous No.2062638]

Carl Sagan did say that "We are a way for the universe to know itself."

[Anonymous No.2062641]

>>2062625

I like where this argument is going.

[Anonymous No.2062648]

>>2062633
You:

>Oh those two are having fun, ironically insulting each other trying to demonstrate how stupid this thread is. I better call them six-year-olds. I'm seven which means I will then have authority over them.

[Anonymous No.2062655]

>>2062648
Fine, I'll let them go at it...

[Anonymous No.2062665]

>>2061928

I wouldn't bet against life being right here, OP. The past decade gave me more hope than I could have dared hope for.

[Anonymous No.2062675]

Yeah, you're could be right. Until we find ET, we should assume that we are alone. Doesn't mean we shouldn't look, though. The universe is big. How bitching would it be if there were other civilizations?

[Anonymous No.2062682]

>>2061928
>but inside of us all, you know the truth

Nobody knows.

Many people think they do.

This is the source of your dilemma and why you are a part of it.

[Anonymous No.2062702]

>>2062633
You:
>I'm only 16 and I'm not sure what everone's talking about so I'll project my insecurity on them by accusing them of being young.

[Anonymous No.2062707]

We are not alone, we're just too fucking far away from each other it's impossible to meet unless we use wormholes.

[Anonymous No.2062708]

This is where a form of agnosticism is a good position to hold. We have no evidence either way, but we know it's possible for life to form.

Your point about valuing the human race is fair enough, though. Conscious life is the only thing in the universe that ascribes value to the universe, and is thus infinitely valuable. It's a real gamble to die if the universe might not hold life.

[Anonymous No.2062711]

>>2062648
I only wrote the first one, mocking OP. The rest of this thread bores me too much to respond, except to make clear my limited contribution and interest in this thread. You may proceed.

[Anonymous No.2062720]

>>2062708

...Except it's only valuable to said conscious life, so if it all dies, nothing of value will be lost?

[Anonymous No.2062723]

To actually believe that the human race is alone in such a vast universe is nothing short of being selfish.

It is quite possible that herp de derp extraterrestrials sparked life on this planet.

And if you believe that this race of greedy materialistic bloodthirsty apes are the first known intelligent form of life in the WHOLE FUCKING UNIVERSE. Then sadly the universe is going to have wait for the next aware creatures to venture forth into the dark stretches of space and claim the wonders that lay there waiting.

We need help for interstellar travel and if we never get any our race will destroy itself before we get off this rock.

[Anonymous No.2062729]

>>2062206

I love this idea. Too bad we'll never live to see it happen.

[Anonymous No.2062730]

>>2061928
>we're alone

nice unequivocal statement. please see the problem of induction

[Anonymous No.2062732]

>>2062729
Yeah. inb4 inurdaes with Manhattan Beach Project.

[Anonymous No.2062734]

>>2062729

Make it happen, you piece of shit. You're on /sci/. Go crack immortality, or consciousness transfer, or something.

[Anonymous No.2062742]

Needless cynicism from someone who's either profoundly depressed, a jerk, or trying to meta-troll nonbelievers.

What we know of chemistry, biology, and astronomy tells us there's a pretty good chance of life existing elsewhere. Even if we're the only life, it is what it is, and we have to make the most of it.

[Anonymous No.2062744]

>>2062702
You:

>Oh look those two people use a specific format, tone, and grammatical person for their replies. I better imitate them to fit right in.

[Anonymous No.2062749]

considering that the basic compounds for the development of life have been found in space, and have been found to survive super novas, id say its PRETTY fucking likely life is elsewhere in the universe.

[Anonymous No.2062752]

>>2062734

Sorry, I meant to say, "You all", I plan to live forever.

[Anonymous No.2062758]

life is an inevitability.
you are not a special snowflake.
must rid yourself of every last bit of christian faggotry.

[Anonymous No.2062786]

>>2062749
Life is not an indiscriminate collection of carbon atoms.

[Anonymous No.2062787]

I like your thinking at first OP how you say it can't be proven so it's a myth..

But then you jump all the way to the other side of the ignorance tree and claim that we can be certain there is nothing out there.
That's where you lose me. You defy your own logic to make your point. We can't know... so.. well, we just can't fucking know?
WHY WHY WHY do people feel the need to always go beyond that and say something more?
Are you afraid of not knowing?

[Anonymous No.2062800]

>>2062786
You're right. It's an extremely specific collection of organic compounds, but one that could, and probably does, form outside of the Earth.

[Anonymous No.2062902]

>>2062758
>life is an inevitability.
life is an impossibility, which nevertheless exists.

[Anonymous No.2062911]

>>2062800
Based on what calculation?
Even though the number of planets is mindbogglingly large, the probabilities of abiogenesis may well be by far more mindbogglingly small.

[Anonymous No.2063026]

PATACHU I WILL FUCKING RAPE YOU APART FOR THIS THREAD

[Anonymous No.2064406]

>>2062617
He's a nihilist. He believes in nothing.

Just like me. If ever there was extraterrestrial life, and therefore intelligence we would've already detected an alien signal.

It never happened and many scientists at the SETI left out of despair.


I share OP's point of view: the Extraterrestrial life is the new religion, this time based on science and urban legends.

One day they'll come from heaven to save us! One day we'll meet and reach a new level of spirituality, there will be no more war!

We're alone and scream HELP to the sky the same way we used to pray.

Nobody will answer you.

[Anonymous No.2064432]

>>2064406
> He's a nihilist. He believes in nothing.
Must be exhausting.

[Anonymous No.2064433]

>>2064406
And tonight ve cut off your Johnson.

[Anonymous No.2064436]

We're not alone, Animals are here too. Don't forget them please, they're more important than you.

[Anonymous No.2064445]

>>2064433
just you think aboot that lebosski
ya, your viggily penis

[Anonymous No.2064450]

>>2064436
>implications of stupdidity

i think its fucking obvious that people are using the term "we" to refer to all types of life you fucking moron who is trying to appear superior but just ends up looking like a retarded homosexual

[Anonymous No.2064453]

>>2064436
>implications of a total lack of understanding of the world we live in

i am embarrassed on your behalf

[patachu !LULZISTwQI No.2064490]

>>2062758
unless proven otherwise yes we are. if it happened somewhere else in this finite universe, life is probably static, a bunch of amino acids and proteins doomed to remain static.


the "alien belief" appeared shortly after the unveiling of the atomic bomb threat, a few moment after we realized we were able to exterminate all life into a thermonuclear world war 3. we needed to believe in the existence of aliens, later, it became a science. studies were performed, sightings everywhere, fakes, conspiracy theories...

result : 0.
_______________________________________________

[patachu !LULZISTwQI No.2064504]

"what's the difference between god and me ?
unlike god, i exist" -Franck Darwiche

as the only known lifeform, we can consider, by default, like gods.
potentially good, and creative. but also potentially evil and destructive.

our role is not to stay on this planet forever. our instinct, our genes made us as explorers. we have conquered this planet because we know it's what we had to do.

we need to do the same to other planets, and we shouldn't wait for others, if they exist to come, we need to takeoff first, in doubt.

because it's our role to spread life into the universe.
because we're not insignificant. we're gods by default.


>>2064436
oh let me correct
when i say "we" it includes all life of this planet. animals, plants, bacteria. even if my cat doesn't give a shit about what i'm saying.

[Anonymous No.2064535]

>hurf durf can't believe anything exists unless it's proven for a fact
>I know for a fact no other life exists in the whole universe without proof

tl;dr OP's a fag

They've already reproduced the primordial soup, and similar elements are everywhere in the universe. It's not even that improbable with lipid bubbles and stuff forming spontaneously.

[cumdumpster No.2064580]

>>2064504
yeah well, too fucking bad, the universe is some 15 billions of years old, just to circumnavigate it twice at its current size would take half the time the universe has left to exist in a form that can harbor life. we'll be lucky to see other galaxies at all by the time we get done spreading through ours, let alone explore them

[Anonymous No.2064613]

>>2064445
Ja und maybe ve stomp on it and squash it.

>>2064535
So, you're saying you support intelligent design? Because us creating the primordial soup only means that "a sentient being can create a primordial soup".

Also, I doubt we actually did that. I think you're referring to that experiment where a good 9/10 of amino-acids were created in the presence of electrostatic discharge. And that only proves that it's possible we came from that, not that Darwinian life is not unique.

[Anonymous No.2064645]

I have always enjoyed how teenage atheist like to believe that theists are all mentally inferior and believe in God for personal comfort for fear of being alone or dying, and then two seconds later they themselves will start talking about alien life and how we are not alone.

Science isn't a religion, atheism isn't a religion, but many, many, many /sci/ducks get more emotional about the remote, remote, remote idea of intergalaxy space travel than the most hardcore catholics get about the cruxifiction. And then they love to claim that it makes more sense and it's because it's human progress etcetc. Bullshit. It's all emotional because you, basically, worship the idea. Anyway, thread hidden etc.

[Anonymous No.2064654]

>>2064613
No, it proved that energy from lightning or solar radiation or whatever could create organic molecules pretty easily, and this holds true on many, many other worlds.
Are you aware of the cosmological principle? Why do you think Earth is unique? Sounds like religious geocentrism to me.

[Anonymous No.2064665]

>>2064645
>>2064645

dumbass, we already know life exists in the universe. Space is a big place filled with every type of planet you could imagine. Its not a stretch to imagine that if life exists in one corner of the universe that it COULD exist in another.

its not the same as believing in magic. its based on sound logic.

[Anonymous No.2064673]

oh yeah pretty sure many scientists believe there are microbes on Mars due to various tests of the soil but too lazy to source this

[Anonymous No.2064675]

>>2064665

if life isnt from god then how come humans ar ethe only life we have ever seen in the universe?

checkmate athiestfags

[Anonymous No.2064689]

>>2064645

What a fucking child. "I dont like talking about the possibility of other life-forms so Im gonna hide the thread and shut my eyes and ears, nanny nanny booboo"

This is the reason we have stupid people believing in stupid things, because they don't have the capacity to learn and accept other things and grow in their knowledge.

[Anonymous No.2064702]

>>2064665
>Its not a stretch to imagine that if life exists in one corner of the universe that it COULD exist in another.
True. It's also not a stretch to believe that Jesus died for your sins. Enjoy believing in things that "aren't a stretch".

[Anonymous No.2064705]

>>2064675
lol

like this guy says

>>2064406
>If ever there was extraterrestrial life, and therefore intelligence we would've already detected an alien signal.

Light takes millions or billions of years to get here. Only a fraction of the universe is even observable (and that's observing billion year old EMR).

[Anonymous No.2064710]

>>2064702
typical moron internet atheist has to be a contrarian for its own sake (but probably a troll)

a better analogy would be that if we knew for a fact Jesus was real and had magical powers maybe Muhammad was really talking to God and stuff. Saying one proves the other when the first isn't proved is way more of a stretch.

However we know we exist and we know the basic mechanism of how.

[Anonymous No.2064711]

>>2064702

Yes, it is retard. Its a great example of a 'stretch'

Have you even read the bible? The events and constant retarded assumptions that had to lead to a savior dying for humanity's 'sins' are very much a stretch, so much so that it just isn't logical.

Jesus christ...

[Anonymous No.2064717]

itt: atheist nerd-rage

lol jk i think we all get the point guys religion is dumb, can we get back to science now plz??

[Anonymous No.2064722]

>>2064702
Because believing that if life exists in one place, it probably exists in another is basically the same thing as a magic wizard with a father in the sky who was able to clone bread, and then died for everyone.

[Anonymous No.2064928]

>>2064711
Whereas the events described in the holy books of Alienists are plausible? Visible and audible laser beams in space? Photon torpedoes? What the fuck is that? I doubt it's science. Warp 2, and you don't age? But at least in Warp 10 you turn into a lizard. Doesn't sound ridiculous at all.

[Anonymous No.2064981]

>>2064654
We know of exactly two events when life has arose from non-life:
1) The one beginning of life on Earth in the primordial soup
2) One designed by the offspring of the first event 50 years ago.

One was designed by an intelligent creator, the other was the result of causally interconnected events and states in the cosmos. We have never seen a pattern form, so we don't know if there is one. It's the same mistake the Pythagoreans did; they examined everything from afar, never bothering to test the hypothesis, or make observations.

So I ask you, what are some observed verifications for the existence of life outside our extended ecosystem (Earth or perhaps solar bodies that brought life from some other planet here). Notice I said "the existence of life", not "the possibility of existence of life". We can all verify that by looking at ourselves.

And on a personal note, I watch Star Trek and play Mass Effect, and any verification of life outside our extended ecosystem will only be good news for me. But my guess is there will never be any; not for us, not for progeny.

[Anonymous No.2064984]

>>2064711
nope.jpg
I've read the bible. No more of a stretch than aliens.

[Anonymous No.2064988]

>>2064710
>However we know we exist and we know the basic mechanism of how.
Really? How?

[Anonymous No.2064994]

>>2064722
Exactly. It's like saying, "There's one universe. Therefore there must be two."

[Anonymous No.2065001]

>>2064981
>We know of exactly two events when life has arose from non-life:
>1) The one beginning of life on Earth in the primordial soup
We don't know that at all. Life could have come to earth from somewhere else. We just know it had to come from somewhere.
>2) One designed by the offspring of the first event 50 years ago.
um... wat?

[Anonymous No.2065013]

>>2065001
First, I tackled the "somewhere else issue" by defining our "extended ecosystem" to mean whatever place was occupied by known life since its beginning.

Second, we created life 50-60 years ago. We're the offspring of the first event, and we intelligently created a bunch of amino-acids by mixing ammonia, water, methane, etc. Look it up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller%E2%80%93Urey_experiment

[Anonymous No.2065031]

>>2065013
>Second, we created life 50-60 years ago. We're the offspring of the first event, and we intelligently created a bunch of amino-acids by mixing ammonia, water, methane, etc. Look it up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller%E2%80%93Urey_experiment
Dude. That's a well-known experiment, and as is well known, all it produced were some amino acids. That was a cool result which added SOME credence to the idea that life MIGHT emerge from such conditions, but no one thinks the experiment produced life. Someone has misled you. If life were ever produced from lifelessness in a lab, it would be some of the biggest news in science history.

[Anonymous No.2065034]

>>2065031
Then we need to agree upon a common definition for life before we can proceed.

[Anonymous No.2065053]

>>2064994
nope

We can see other bodies in space and can tell that some have matter similar to Earth. We know (assuming you're not a Christfag or Scientologist or something) that life arose on Earth from these elements. Therefore, it's reasonable to assume the same thing is possible on other planets.

However, we cannot see other universes or anything like that (unless you're just making up physics theories).

[Anonymous No.2065057]

>>2065034
No one defines an amino acid as life. An amino acid is just a relatively simple organic molecule.

And there's no question about extraterrestial amino acids. Amino acids can be detected in interstellar clouds and are found in meteorites.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/11/031104064412.htm

[Anonymous No.2065064]

>>2065053
>We know (assuming you're not a Christfag or Scientologist or something) that life arose on Earth from these elements.
Once again, no, we don't know that it arose on Earth. Nor do we know the conditions necessary for it to arise, as we cannot reproduce those conditions. We therefore have no idea how rare the necessary conditions are, except that we know it's rare enough that we can't reproduce it by guessing. Just the right combinations of elements doesn't do it.

[Anonymous No.2065097]

>>2065064
>Nor do we know the conditions necessary for it to arise, as we cannot reproduce those conditions.

We already did. Of course we can't know everything but early Earth was pretty simple. It's just about the concentrations of different gases in the atmosphere and the presence of water. We produced amino acids in a short time under these conditions. Of course we didn't make replicating organisms but we didn't have a whole ocean and a billion years.

Also you guys need to realize science is mostly inductive, not deductive. We find laws that seem to work and assume they work that way in the whole universe throughout time. You wannabe lolagnostic fags think you're so "rational" when you deny everything that isn't in front of your face. You won't find shit like that

[Anonymous No.2065213]

>>2065097
>We already did. Of course we can't know everything but early Earth was pretty simple. It's just about the concentrations of different gases in the atmosphere and the presence of water. We produced amino acids in a short time under these conditions. Of course we didn't make replicating organisms but we didn't have a whole ocean and a billion years.
Amino acids turn up fucking everywhere in the universe. That's the ridiculously fucking easy part. It's a lot different than producing a replicating cell with DNA and all the machinery to read it and copy it and shit. If all we needed were the right concentrations of gasses, someone would have figured out what that concentration was by now. Life didn't take a billion years to show up on earth. It showed up pretty much right away when the earth could support it. We basically have no idea how the components of a cell could all come together, or whether or not it happened on earth.

>Also you guys need to realize science is mostly inductive, not deductive. We find laws that seem to work and assume they work that way in the whole universe throughout time. You wannabe lolagnostic fags think you're so "rational" when you deny everything that isn't in front of your face. You won't find shit like that
You also don't find shit with hand-waving, making baseless assumptions, and ignoring the complicated parts.

[Anonymous No.2065261]

>>2065213
Then how did life arise and how is Earth different from the millions of other planets with water and nitrogen atmospheres?

[Anonymous No.2065271]

There's no way to prove OP right, there's no way to prove OP wrong.

STOP ARGUING PHILOSOPHY!

[Anonymous No.2065275]

>>2065261
That's the fucking point. We don't know how life arose, and we don't even know if it happened on earth, or if it spread to earth from somewhere else. Wiki Panspermia. The hypothesis has been around since the 50's, precisely because we don't fucking know, and haven't gotten much closer to an answer since then.

[Anonymous No.2065282]

OP Look at the sky at night, and count the stars. Now just imagine half of them have planets. Are we still alone now?

[Anonymous No.2065300]

>no god
>product that wasn't supposed to happen

Choose one.

[Anonymous No.2065303]

>>2065213

>Amino acids turn up fucking everywhere in the universe.

Um, not they don't. They may have found the simplest AA, glycine, on a comet, although there are questions about it. There are organic compounds found in deep space, none of them are amino acids.

However, all 20 of the common amino acids, and many others, have been made duplicating conditions on early earth. As well as peptides. Nucleotides. And phospholipids which form bilayer membranes that grow, consume others, and self replicated.

>Life didn't take a billion years to show up on earth.

No. But it did take many millions of years. Take the above experiments, expand them and perform them over millions of years and you'll probably get life.

Abiotic synthesis on earth is by far the best theory to explain life on earth. In fact, it's the only theory that makes sense. To have all of the above happening without it creating life is just stupid.

>We basically have no idea how the components of a cell could all come together, or whether or not it happened on earth.

Well know that cells did come together. We have all the components for making a cell. I'd say that's a pretty good idea of how it happened. The idea of "panspermia" the idea that cells started some place other than earth is just a retarded dodge that doesn't answer the question of where cells came from.

[Anonymous No.2065305]

>>2065282

Without more information, there's no way to know.

[Anonymous No.2065325]

>>2065275
You have to go with the best hypothesis then. We know we went from A to B so life arose either on Earth or somewhere nearby. Cosmological principle says shit is mostly the same on the cosmic scale. No one's saying it's certain, just that it's possible.

[Anonymous No.2065355]

>>2065303
>No. But it did take many millions of years. Take the above experiments, expand them and perform them over millions of years and you'll probably get life.
What is that, some kind of faith? Put a bunch of amino acids in a bucket and wait a billion years, and I guarantee you no organisms are going to crawl out. I'm not sure why you think otherwise, unless it just fulfills your desire to have an answer to something that there currently IS no answer for.

>Abiotic synthesis on earth is by far the best theory to explain life on earth. In fact, it's the only theory that makes sense. To have all of the above happening without it creating life is just stupid.
There are hundreds of scientists who disagree with you and who have been developing theories about the interstellar development of life. And this is really the only area where the study of abiogenesis has made any recent progress.

http://www.esa.int/esaCP/ESA5SQG18ZC_FeatureWeek_2.html

>The idea of "panspermia" the idea that cells started some place other than earth is just a retarded dodge that doesn't answer the question of where cells came from.
A retarded dodge? Maybe you'd rather the book of Genesis, if you're so desperate to have an answer. The scientific approach is to investigate the possibilities, and not to cling to a certain view without evidence.

[Anonymous No.2065366]

>>2065355

A retarded dodge? Yes, a retarded dodge.

Where did life on earth come from? Oh, it came from some other planet.

Except that doesn't answer how life started on that other planet. It's just dodging the question.

[Anonymous No.2065367]

>>2065325
I certainly don't dispute that it's possible that life is abundant in the universe. My point is that until we understand how it happened, which we are very far from understanding, we have no way of knowing how rare it is. Until then, it is also possible that life is so rare that it is unique.

[Anonymous No.2065379]

>>2065366
No, the general idea is that it might have come from interstellar space, not another planet. There is no such thing as "dodging the question" of how precisely it emerged. There is just either admitting we don't know or pretending we do. As to WHERE it emerged, you again have the same choices. Admitting you don't know, or pretending you do.

[Anonymous No.2065386]

>>2065355

>There are hundreds of scientists who disagree with you and who have been developing theories about the interstellar development of life. And this is really the only area where the study of abiogenesis has made any recent progress.

>http://www.esa.int/esaCP/ESA5SQG18ZC_FeatureWeek_2.html

According to your link, these scientists are theorizing that amino acids can be formed in interstellar clouds (although they haven't actually observed it). They then think this may lead to amino acids falling on planets, which undergoes abiotic synthesis to living organisms.

So it's the same damn process you're saying is impossible to happen, except for the synthesis of amino acids. And there are better ways to synthesize amino acids.

[Anonymous No.2065389]

>>2065379

That's still dodging the question, because it doesn't explain how life arouse in interstellar space.

In fact, the idea that life arouse in interstellar space is much more improbably then life arising in liquid water on a planet with an atmosphere.

[Anonymous No.2065411]

it's just more comfortable to know

stopped reading there. maybe you're an easy-to-please little bitch, but i would like to know what the fuck is going on in the universe, observable or not

captcha: cheerful unoteld

[Anonymous No.2065418]

>>2065386
Try this one.
http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2010/05/image-of-the-day-did-life-begin-in-a-bubble-nebula.html

>So it's the same damn process you're saying is impossible to happen,
I never said that, you fucking retard.

>>2065389
>That's still dodging the question, because it doesn't explain how life arouse in interstellar space.
>In fact, the idea that life arouse in interstellar space is much more improbably then life arising in liquid water on a planet with an atmosphere.

The above explains how life emerged in interstellar clouds just as well as any explanation of how it emerged on planets.

If anything, say, "well given enough time, it just happens" is dodging the question.

[Anonymous No.2065451]

>>2065418

>I never said that, you fucking retard

That's what the scientists you are linking to are saying, but you don't understand it. Part of that is because of the misleading news article, part of it is because you're a retard.

You can have organic molecules in space. You can even have organisms surviving the vacuum and radiation of space.

But you can't put a cell together in space. Because it's a fucking vacuum.

>The above explains how life emerged in interstellar clouds just as well as any explanation of how it emerged on planets.

You've simply displaced abiotic synthesis from the earth to outerspace. Which is a lot more ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.2065462]

>>2065451
You are a fucking retard. No one is saying it definitely didn't happen on earth. Scientists are saying maybe it happened in interstellar clouds, and that there's good reason to think so. You are wrong that the low pressure of interstellar clouds somehow prevents you from assembling a cell. Even normal earth cells have been proven to survive in space.

>You've simply displaced abiotic synthesis from the earth to outerspace. Which is a lot more ridiculous.
Arguments from personal incredulity don't hold water in science.

[Anonymous No.2066038]

First lets get this out of the way, Nuclear Pulse Propulsion can get us to the stars at a maximum velocity of 0.1C assuming that you have to decelerate again, if not you can reach 0.15C which will be important for latter. Also we will assume that there is no faster than light travel. Because that would open up another can of beans since humanity could convert an amount of mass equal to the observable universe into human flesh in 6,000 years if the 1994 population growth rate could be maintained. And it could be maintain if the superluminal travel would allow humans to access new resources fast enough.
So assuming that you could send out self replicating probes that would travel at an average velocity of 0.1C and that it would take each probe 100 years to make a 100 copies of itself each time that they entered a new stellar system, you could still visit every stellar in the Milky Way in under 1 million years. If theses probes carried humans or mechanized human descendants then our civilization could also spread as quickly.

[Anonymous No.2066043]

>>2066038
If you programmed these probes to seek out life bearing exoplanets and crash into them an top speed, which for nuclear pulse propulsion is .15C if you burn all the fuel and don't plan on decelerating, you could purge all the life bearing planets in the galaxy and keep yourself safe from aliens forever. And if you programmed those same probes to accelerate toward any repeating, terminating radio signal and crash into the source body you could all target intelligent species. For that matter you could have them detonate there bomb stockpile before impact to scatter relativistic shrapnel cones at space habitats.
And that doesn't even account for the danger of other species colonizing everything and taking all your resources. Basically your only real option to keep yourself safe is to attack with berserker probes first and hope than you can get everybody before they launch their own. So you need at least a million year lead on your galactic war to ensure your own survival.
In a universe were superluminal travel cannot exist, any species that creates even the most primitive for of relativistic vehicle and self replicating machinery is an immediate and lethal threat to all other forms of life. Because of the rate at which intelligent life can spread, you pretty much have to attack all alien intelligences without provocation and with even knowing if there is anyone to attack. As previously stated probes with a maximum practical travel velocity of .1 C could visit every stellar system in the galaxy in as little as 250,000-1,000,000 years.

[Anonymous No.2066056]

>>2066043
Now with speculative but still possible technology it could be done even faster. Even if we discount confined fission as a energy medium for a reaction engine, hydrogen/antihydrogen reactions could still be used and we know they would work if there was enough antihydrogen. The solution to that being solar powered particle accelerators orbiting in the inner solar system. They would take in hydrogen from the solar wind and produce antihydrogen using abundant energy. A laser assisted launch could also speed outgoing ships of any type if a large solar powered array of lasers with an output greater than a terawatt was used.

[Anonymous No.2066063]

>>2066056
All this culminates in the ultimate plan for species survival, to completely disassemble the all the rocky planets of every stellar system we can get access to and us that mass to build Dyson Swarms of space habitats around the local stars. That way we can continue to survive around those stars until they burn out, which in the case of the lowest mass red dwarfs would be about 120 trillion years. The largest lofstrom loops possible with current engineering can lift 500 million tons a year and you could only fit about 1000 on earth it would still take nearly 10 million years to disassemble the planet. But it can be done only with proven technology, no super materials or new energy sources needed. You could power them using huge convection towers that contain liquid halite, which would be heated by the hot lithosphere you are uncovering. And of course the job would only get easier as the planet is taken apart: less gravity, more heat being radiated, more materials for building and maintaining the loops. That said you still have to use nuclear pulse propulsion to move the material for the first loop into orbit, about 2 million tons of it. But with nuclear pulse propulsion that is doable. We can conquer the cosmos with only what we know today, no soft scifi stuff needed. It will just take a very, very long time. Now of course you can't disassemble stars, or for that matter high mass objects like gas giants. But the earth sized planets or at least large portions of their lithospheres can be consumed. So any species that begins ruthlessly expanding could pull a Stalin and crush all the pacifist space hippies into oblivion with the weight of our own corpses if need be.

[Anonymous No.2066069]

>>2066063
Since we have not been hit with an rvk yet, earth was not disessembled, and there are Bracewell probes in our solar system there are a few hypotheses I have regarding the state of intelligent life in the universe.
1. We are alone; there are no other communicative technological races. It could be that we are the first or they are all dead.
2. Others never developed technology. Essentially that would make them luddites, which means they will be good for target practice.
3. They aren't communicative and don't make rock'n weapons of slaughter on a galactic scale like we want to. So they are sissies and they will die by our hand. Even if they are a billion times as technologically advanced as we are, by the time that we meet them we will have disassembled the planetary bodies of several stellar systems and will outnumber them a trillion to one, effectively outnumbering them a thousand to one. Zerg Rush, Zerg Rush, Zerg Rush!

[Anonymous No.2066214]

>>2066069
So basically, genocide good?

[Anonymous No.2066258]

>>2066043

i love sci-fi books too

[Anonymous No.2066298]

>>2064645
you have always enjoyed staring at how stupid teenagers are yelling at each other, they are normally like that cos they had shitty parents or other grown ups in their life.

it fucking scares me how stupid kids are nowadays at least in my country anyway

[patachu !LULZISTwQI No.2066883]

>>2062787
well, to be honest... yeah it's the only thing in the world that really scares me. there's nothing more scary than the unknown.

hopefully we have science to know things all around us a better way.


so, to conclude this thread with no genocide or fanatism, there's one thing i remember that made me think "ah!" back in March 2003: one unknown transmission have been recorded by the SETI, named SHGB02+14a.

does anyone have more infos about this one ? until the day we have confirmation of an evolved lifeform out of this world i'll just sit there.

and do nothing.

in after godism n shit.


>>2065418
charming theory.

>>2065300
go to /b/ the answer is there; and it's called random.

[Anonymous No.2066926]

>>2066883
>>2066883

I hate the threads you make.

You are decent at expanding upon, not creating.

You don't particularly deviate from the norm when responding to threads, yet you become a gawky buffoon (yes, relative to /sci/) when you actually attempt to create an original thread. This is probably because you aren't talented at abstract creation of any kind. Except for drawing that weird fucking avatar.

[patachu !LULZISTwQI No.2067247]

>>2066926
oh well, that's why i so rarely create them, since i know they gonna suck.

fun, it confirms that when i post as anon it gets a completely different attention, i'll just keep posting as this mokvwap thing only to annoy people then :3