/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.2042686]

The Large Hadron Collider cost 6 billion dollars.

A Gerald R. Ford class aircraft carrier cost 8.5 billion dollars.

The US army will be introducing ten such aircraft carriers into their arsenal, the equivalent of fourteen LHCs.

Post ITT if this makes you sad/mad.

[Pm No.2042699]

I post, therefore I sad.

[Anonymous No.2042704]

>Gerald R. Ford class aircraft carrier
fucking laffo

[Anonymous No.2042710]

>army
>aircraft carrier

wat? you mean navy?

[Anonymous No.2042713]

>>2042704
?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_R._Ford_class_aircraft_carrier

[Anonymous No.2042722]

>>2042710
Indeed, I am silly.

[athiest No.2042752]

like the fist of the north star.
we really need to have gates buy Tasmania for us.

[Anonymous No.2042753]

85 billion

We could have gone to mars but nooooooooooo we have to flaunt our military peen

[FOR SANITY!!!! No.2042754]

I decided to switch from physics to chemistry when the superconducting supercollider was canceled.

[Anonymous No.2042767]

America: The greatest disappoint ever.

[Anonymous No.2042774]

you delusional scifags are so retarded. we need these carriers to fight the iranian threat that are just asking for an asswoopin. also China is a big threat that we are going to have to deal with sooner or later

we have many enemies

[Anonymous No.2042780]

A Northrop Grumman B-2 Spirit, aka stealth bomber, costs 737 million a piece. 21 were built, making a total cost of just under 15.5 billion.

[Anonymous No.2042782]

ITT: unpatriotic faggots that don't care about defending our freedoms against our enemies and rather use money to discover imaginary particles

[Anonymous No.2042787]

>>2042774

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and say you're trolling and not mentally retarded

[Anonymous No.2042793]

>>2042774
>implying the US isn't responsible for creating these threats with their jingoist foreign policy

[Anonymous No.2042796]

>>2042787
no your just an idiot scifag with no connection to reality

[Anonymous No.2042801]

On the up side, the Gerald R. Ford uses a new magnetic launching system. Cool new tech, eh? You know it is, faggots.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_Aircraft_Launch_System

[FOR SANITY!!!! No.2042804]

>>2042774
>>2042782
But I'm not American....

[Anonymous No.2042808]

The military industrial complex marches on.

[Anonymous No.2042812]

>>2042801
Fucking miracles.

[Anonymous No.2042817]

The Ohio Class submarine. 2 billion each, 18 in eighteen total...you can do the math.

[Anonymous No.2042832]

beyond mad, bro

military spending doesn't require any justification, every Republican is a big Keynesian when it comes to that one

for anything else they'll rather cut your throat than fund it

[Anonymous No.2042848]

>>2042832
Fuck you, our military and technologic advantage is diminishing even as we speak. We must increase our military spending at least twofold to make sure we are still capable of survive.

[Anonymous No.2042851]

>>2042808
Holy fuck balls, THE US ISN'T MAKING UP 75% OF THAT CHART! WE AREN'T SAFE!

What if the rest of the world gangs up on us?!

[Anonymous No.2042854]

>>2042848
Is dat some simcity 2000?

Oh how I miss those days.

[Anonymous No.2042866]

>mfw americans complain about spending taxes on saving people's lives (health care) but are silent about spending taxes on ending people's lives (military)

>mfw it is no accident that the population of the most powerful country in the world as so brainwashed

[Anonymous No.2042883]

Russian here. We are going to invest billions into our military complex.

Not coz we really need all those weapons. But as it is the only effective way for us to revive the science and weapon technology sells and can be adapted for civil use effectively.

The problem with USA is not that it invests lot of money in the military. Its that it waste money invested ineffectively. Cost of researching/developing/building something in USA is 50 times bigger then anywhere else.

You SERIOUSLY believe F-22 is worth its money?!

[Anonymous No.2042891]

your face when you have difficulty finding the NSF's budget

your face when 18.9% of our budget being spent is 50% of the world's military spending

your face when that money could give every citizen health care without adding onto the debt

your face when we could triple the aid given to college students

your face when you realize how much science could get done

[Anonymous No.2042900]

>>2042891

[­ No.2042902]

>>2042686
Until social evolution reaches a point where war is universally unnecessary and no one uses violence to solve social and political problems, nations will need a military in order to preserve the safety and freedom of it's people. I wish it weren't so, but it is. If we disbanded our military tomorrow and sold off or converted all the physical assets of the combined military forces and used them for scientific research or humanitarian purposes, it wouldn't be more than about a week or so before enemies of the United States just walked in, whacked the entire government and anyone else who stood in their way, and just took over, raped and pillaged the entire country. You KNOW it's true, even if it's depressing. I believe that the only way out of this endless cycle, at least until evolution takes care of the core problem, is to work towards getting the fuck off this planet so there's enough room and resources for everyone without having to fight each other. Unfortunately you can't convince enough people this is a good idea.

[Anonymous No.2042904]

>>2042891
my face when the department of veterans affairs receives ten times the funding of the NSF

[Anonymous No.2042912]

and even after all that we put out more science then anyone else

[Anonymous No.2042914]

Fuck science. It could be invested in infrastructure... :(

Anyway, for the cost of bombs that kill afghan farmers we could have paid 50k to every Afghan and Pakistani citizen and make them our best friends.

Imagine, you are walking down the street and a chest with 80.000 dollars falls before you. You can only dream about such luck.

Well, the 'terrorists' are extremely lucky then. US governments spends 1000 times more money on them then on US citizens.

[Anonymous No.2042916]

>>2042904

NSF = 0.39% of budget
DVF = 16.1%

way more than ten times, bro

[Anonymous No.2042919]

>>2042902
So then, the gamble becomes: which will happen first (or is more likely)-space colonization or world peace?

[Anonymous No.2042920]

But you don't need 14 LHCs. I'm not saying you need those carriers, but still.

[Anonymous No.2042922]

>>2042883
Could be why they stopped building them and started building F35's instead.

However, the F22 is a damn impressive plane.

[Anonymous No.2042924]

>>2042902
Just a note for you: its argued that its a cold war military competition and ultra heavy military industrial complex of USSR was that brought it down. USA thinks they are exception of the rule?

[Anonymous No.2042936]

>>2042916
great, so more than 40 times the wealth that is being spent on science is being spent on making the rest of the lives of the poor fucks we brainwashed into fighting comfortable.

Mankind, lol.

[Anonymous No.2042937]

>>2042902
That's terribly naive. To begin with, America doesn't have barbarians hounding at the gates, with the army fending them off. The US is an aggressor, and the only enemies that would conceivably attack it are the product of its vicious assault against peace and human life. Even if the US were to reduce military spending to 5% of what it is now, with the EU following suite, no other country would sensibly attack America or Europe. Remember, America is the real terrorist, and it is only in response to its warmongering that other countries militarize.

[Anonymous No.2042943]

>>2042922
F-22 is not an impressive plane, its the most impressive waste of money ever. You have no means to prove that this plane is actually any effective.

And yet our planes still are 10 times cheaper and not worse then yours. The only people buying F-35 are your allies that do that of political reasons, while wishing they could deal with us...

We have no money but have a fucking space tech, while US buys our rockets and technology while spending billions on NASA. Something went wrong in USA, where to put a nail into wall you make a competition of subcontractors, with the one making it for 1000$ dollars winning since he lobbied that the the one who^d do that for 5$ would be excluded.

[Anonymous No.2042946]

that might seem like a lot

but you really don't understand how rich the USA is

We have 1/4 of THE ENTIRE WORLDS money

[Anonymous No.2042949]

>>2042891
I thought, "ah well, still 4.63%", but then I noticed it wasn't the same color and it's actually just 0.20%.

>I hate this country

[Anonymous No.2042953]

>>2042916
Can you read? The DVA is like 2%, not 16%.

[Anonymous No.2042957]

What's the point of having a massive money sucking military when a few nukes is enough to deter any invaders? Everything should be done in moderation.

[Anonymous No.2042961]

>>2042943
>Russian space technology

>could not land of the moon

>Failed getting to the moon then said that never was their goal

>The n1 rocket blew up on every test

Russian tech sucks

[Anonymous No.2042974]

>>2042961

[Anonymous No.2042975]

>>2042943
Russianfag shut the fuck up... the GDP of new york city is almost as large as the GDP of your entire shit country

Our F-22's have a combat simulation score of something like 108-0 against planes that are superior than your shitty ones. You seem to have no concept of how far behind your country is.

[Anonymous No.2042982]

>>2042943
Also our space tech is far more advanced then yours

I don't see Russia landing on the moon

I don't see Russia sending probes to Pluto

I don't see Russian private companies building expandable space stations

We won the space race

Deal With it

[Anonymous No.2042986]

This planet is finished. There will never be any kind of meaningful reform.

you humans fuckin suck.

[­ No.2042988]

>>2042937
Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater, OK? I can't tell if you're a non-U.S. citizen and hate the U.S., or if you're a U.S. citizen who is self-hating, but all Americans are not warmongerers.

[Anonymous No.2042992]

NASA discovered that the center of the milky way is a black hole. russia didnt. ha.

[Anonymous No.2042998]

>>2042974
Russian GDP $1.68 Trillion US dollars
California GDP 1.847 Trillion Us dollars


One of our states makes more then your entire country

Russia sucks hard

[Anonymous No.2042999]

>>2042782
>America
>Freedoms

Amerifag here keep telling yourself that.

[Anonymous No.2043007]

>>2042988
Never said Americans are warmongers, and in general they're nice people. I'm blaming your politicians. Inb4
>implying other politicians aren't the same.
Of course I'm not, all governments are corrupt.

[Anonymous No.2043013]

YOU WILL THANK THEM WHEN HOSTILE ALIENS COME!

[Anonymous No.2043021]

>>2042902
There is enough resources for everyone... and thus enough room as well.

Assuming you don't have your economic model set up to shovel it into landfills as fast as possible and/or aren't blowing it to smithereens via wars.

[Anonymous No.2043024]

>>2042998
Russia got Putin. USA got Bush and Obama.

Suck it US fags. You are exactly at the stage where Soviet Union was in the late 80th - near the crash.

[Anonymous No.2043030]

>>2042982
Russia is going to send a spaceship with water bears and other tiny life to phobos this decade. Just so you know.

[Anonymous No.2043029]

>>2042686
THOSE AIRCRAFT CARRIERS ARE MORE USEFUL THAN THE LHC.

There I said it. LHC doesn't do shit at all. They didn't discover anything, it didn't blow shit up, it just wastes money looking for theoretical shit. An aircraft carrier delivered food to some stranded cruise ship just the other day. What has the LHC done for mankind or science?

I'm not mad at all, except to know that people waste money on either of these things. Even investing that money into a shitton of PS3s to run protein folding simulations would be better.

[Anonymous No.2043034]

>>2043029
They made quark-gluon plasma by smashing lead atoms. What can be more important?

[Anonymous No.2043047]

what? humans wont evolve. no natural predators, total adaptation...

[Anonymous No.2043049]

>>2043030
and america is building a new rocket that can take humans beyond earth orbit

while getting a private industry going that will colonize earth orbit

This decade

We will be back beyond earth orbit next decade

DealWithIT!!!

[Anonymous No.2043058]

>>2043024
We also got JFK and FDR

Better then Stalin any day

[Anonymous No.2043062]

>>2043047

>doesn't know what evolution is

[Anonymous No.2043068]

>>2043049
You just mad because Russians are colonizing Phobos with water bear master race.

[Anonymous No.2043063]

>our planes still are 10 times cheaper and not worse then yours
I just had to greentext this for the sheer amount of delusion and butthurt it contained.

[Anonymous No.2043064]

>>2043029
To begin with, the money doesn't have to go into particle accelerators. If you want to be a petulant pragmatist, the money could go into cancer research. Or towards the development of quantum computers. Or towards universal health care. Or towards more or less eliminating serious domestic of foreign poverty. Or towards cleaner energy, Or towards...

Or towards pure science. While it might not be utilitarian, the curiosity that propels us to discover more about the natural world is what makes us human. To deny this by appealing to practicality will decay our spirit.

[Anonymous No.2043065]

BUT WE HAVE TO DEFEND FREEDOM

[Anonymous No.2043076]

>>2043049
>getting a private industry
is a codeword for "sorry, no money for the space, fags. Hope that private industry makes money by space tourists lol. Forget about actual space development and competing with China and Russia(which cooperates with China). Oh and btw... meanwhile, sorry but we cant get to Russian run ESS anymore since have no monez for russian rockets to deliver our cosmonauts in space. Sorry!"

[Anonymous No.2043086]

>>2043049
Only if you're in the top 20% of the wealth gap, if you're below that you're not going to space for at least 100 years. Assuming they don't just 'accidentally' kill off the people on the ground, once the rich are safe up in space we'll probably start seeing nukes used in combat again.

[Anonymous No.2043088]

>>2043063
Greenquote your own post for the sheer amount of brainwashed?

[Anonymous No.2043090]

Humans have been like this since centuries.

Welcome to forever ago

[Anonymous No.2043093]

>>2043064
>cancer research

Yeahhh... because we all know that they have been making massive breakthroughs for the past... 30 years?

[Anonymous No.2043099]

Sure is fucktarded liberals in here

[Anonymous No.2043101]

>>2042848

[Anonymous No.2043109]

>>2043093
Nanomachines? Where you been at bro

[Anonymous No.2043116]

>>2043093
Then replace cancer with polio if you want, you're not getting the point.

You're not very bright, are you? How's community college?

[Anonymous No.2043122]

>>2043088
That's a pretty funny statement coming from someone who suggested russian built planes weren't anything but vastly inferior to their american counter-parts.

[Anonymous No.2043124]

War is something intrinsically related to rational beings...

[Anonymous No.2043131]

>>2043122
>russian built planes weren't anything but vastly inferior to their american counter-parts

[Anonymous No.2043139]

>>2043116
Dude, I'm just trying to make a point. I honestly don't think they're ever going to cure cancer until someone does it in their garage lab and open domains it. The industry makes too much money off of patients and their families.

[Anonymous No.2043143]

>>2043131
Not the guy you were responding to but that's the honest truth, Russian planes suck. That's why shit-world nations buy them while the richer nations buy from the US or Western Europe.

[Anonymous No.2043147]

>>2043124
Some monkeys have wars. And they aren't even humans. Google it.

[Anonymous No.2043149]

>>2043124
Humans aren't rational, we're only barely on the doorstep of rationality, so we're a bad example of how rational entities are.

[Anonymous No.2043154]

>>2043143
>Not the guy you were responding to
>Russian planes suck
Damn, i should get back to militaryphotos. I sometimes i forget i am on 4chan...

[Anonymous No.2043164]

>>2043154
Ya, I'm sure they love the obsolete russian planes and the vaporware they claim is better than the f-22, if only it was actually in production.

[Anonymous No.2043188]

sounds like a fucking xbox 360 vs ps3 thread in here

plane edition

faggots. faggots everywhere

[Anonymous No.2043195]

The only good things that have ever come out of Russia was

Starting the space race

Their classical/romantic music

Defeating the Nazis

Thats it
America has

Winning the space race(July 20th 1969)

Jazz

Blues

Light bulbs(Edison)

Airplanes(wright brothers)

Manned spacecraft that can actually go out of orbit(Robbert Goddard and Von Braun)

The internet was invented by The united States and Europe

We invented television(Philo T. Farnsworth)

The assembly line(henry ford)

The democratization of the world

Saving Europe from your shitty countries rule

Electric Power(franklin

Alternating current(tesla)

radio(tesla)

[Anonymous No.2043202]

war promotes technology more than any other industry

[Anonymous No.2043208]

hadron collider or a sweet shiny delicious aircraft? not even close, man...

modern naval warfare is the closest thing we have to sci-fi movies and novels - seriously, fuck Star Trek. fuck Ender's Game. fuck space. there won't be anything fun out there even in hundreds of years, just join navy already

>an officer in 4 years
>your own ship in 8

[Anonymous No.2043218]

>>2043195
>Take credit as a nation for a bunch of independent inventions that the US did not fund nor aid the inventors in creating in anyway

Stay classy

[Anonymous No.2043234]

The simple fact of the matter is that we could probably cut military spending 3% without too many problems. But rebudgeting pork and stupid things like "Dept of alphabet" and putting that money into scientific advancement would do the USA wonders.

Imagine how much better off we would be if instead of spending billions of dollars on funding fucking windmills and solar panels, we put that money into fusion research.

[Anonymous No.2043258]

>>2043195

+ chess & maths competitive craze

+ superior engineering culture - technically oriented high schools, methodologies ("triz")

[Anonymous No.2043259]

>>2043218
they happened in the USA

they are american inventions

or do inventions only count if the government funds it?

The Government is NOT america

[Anonymous No.2043274]

>>2043234
>Imagine how much better off we would be if instead of spending billions of dollars on funding fucking windmills and solar panels, we put that money into fusion research.

Definitive proof that even dumb people can almost say smart things.

Gathering energy from as many different sources as possible is by no means a negative thing.

[Anonymous No.2043282]

>>2043234
>Imagine how much better off we would be if instead of spending billions of dollars on funding fucking windmills and solar panels, we put that money into fission research.
Ftfy.

[Anonymous No.2043292]

>>2042686
I have no problems with floating military fortresses that are actually considered cities.

I think they are fucking awesome.

Maybe one day we will have space fortresses.

[Anonymous No.2043298]

>>2043259
So are you proud of those inventions and music genres? I mean, it seems kind of silly to be proud of certain events or achievements just because they happened in a particular place.
Besides, I don't get your point. This thread is not about how great America might have been in the past, but it's about how shitty it is now.

[Anonymous No.2043300]

>>2043259
I'm not sure I can compete with your sheer audacity and arrogance that you think a nation deserves credit for an achievement of an individual. Had the US contributed something to the achievement then perhaps you'd be right but in many cases the US as a whole is actually more of a hindrance to the inventor, particularly in modern times.

[Anonymous No.2043314]

>>2043300
so by that logic Nazi Germany can't claim Von Braun's Inventions

[Anonymous No.2043317]

>>2043314
Did Nazi Germany fund his or facilitate his research? If yes then yes they can, if no then no they can't.

[Anonymous No.2043324]

I'm still butthurt over the superconducting supercollider fiasco. Just think what we could have achieved by now if the fucking morons in Washington handed out a few more billion.

[Anonymous No.2043333]

>>2042922
>manned aircraft
>impressive plane

welcome to 1980, faggot

[Anonymous No.2043359]

>>2043317
The government is not a nation

stop making up rules to decredit america

Our economic system is why we invent so much stuff

[Anonymous No.2043371]

>>2043195
>he actually thinks edison invented lightbulb
laughingbitches.jpg

[Anonymous No.2043376]

>>2043195
>he actually thinks tesla was murrikan and not serbian

[Anonymous No.2043373]

>>2043359
Our economic system is why you're not half as smart as the illegals coming out of mexico.

[Anonymous No.2043379]

>>2043371
>only argument is that 1 example is false when he got the fucking patent

Try harder faggot

[Anonymous No.2043386]

>>2043376
He fled Serbian because he was going to be drafted

If you immigrate to America you are an american

DealWithIt.JPEG

[Anonymous No.2043399]

>>2043373
If our economic system was able to run our school system instead of the government then we would be better educated then most immigrants

also those illegals are labor workers

How the fuck are they smart?

The main problem with american is the public education system

Needs to go private with Government standards(What you teach has to be factually sound, can teach religion as fact, ect...)

Then look at our higher education system that does exactly that

its the best in the world

[Anonymous No.2043400]

>Jazz
nigger shit
>Blues
nigger shit
>Light bulbs(Edison)
He marketed it better, he didn't invent it at all. Some obscure british guy made what would be considered a light bulb first, it was just kinda sucky.

>Airplanes(wright brothers)
Richard Pearse, new zeland.

>Manned spacecraft that can actually go out of orbit(Robbert Goddard and Von Braun)
>implying a manned spacecraft has ever left earth/moon orbit

>The internet was invented by The united States and Europe
internet - usa
WWW - switzerland.
www>internet

>We invented television(Philo T. Farnsworth)
tv sucks

>The assembly line(henry ford)
nigger you just went full retard

>The democratization of the world
by that you mean imperialism, right? britian beat you too it, they owned alot of places... OH RIGHT, AMERICA TOO AMIRIGHT?

>Saving Europe from your shitty countries rule
... nigger what

>Electric Power(franklin
egpyt thousands of years ago

>Alternating current(tesla)
>radio(tesla)

SERBIAN PRIDE!

[Anonymous No.2043414]

>>2043399
>can teach religion as fact
>is a good thing

americans are fucking sooooo god damn retarded

[Anonymous No.2043425]

>>2043399
My face when you actually believe that. Our higher education is filled with fluff out it's ass just to fill more time up so they can charge for more years of tuition.

>also those illegals are labor workers

>How the fuck are they smart?

They aren't. They're just smarter than you.

>private mandatory education for every child
>is that some $20k a year tuition I hear?

Yea ok nigger.

Also >can teach religion as fact,

[Anonymous No.2043434]

>>2043414
god dammit

Fucking typo

meant to say can't teach religion as fact

[Anonymous No.2043436]

>>2043400

derpface.exe

[Anonymous No.2043441]

>>2043425
http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp

in the top 20

17/20 are american

DealWithIt.JPEG

[Anonymous No.2043442]

I'm not sad, im just angry and disappointed.

especially since LHC was financed by multiple nations, but only gave so little.

[Anonymous No.2043450]

>>2042998
>implying Russian's shadow economy isn't bigger than the visible economy

l2 corruption, faggot

those numbers are almost meaningless

[Anonymous No.2043452]

>>2043441
>Harvard University 100.0

>University of California, Berkeley 72.4

Yea I'm going to call bullshit if their first and second place have this large of a score gap they're clearly getting a bias from something.

[Anonymous No.2043455]

>>2043400
>Jazz
nigger shit
>Blues
nigger shit

That does not taker away from the fact that the music was amazing

>Light bulbs(Edison)
He marketed it better, he didn't invent it at all. Some obscure british guy made what would be considered a light bulb first, it was just kinda sucky.

So we made the first not shitty light bulb

>Airplanes(wright brothers)
Richard Pearse, new zeland.

>Manned spacecraft that can actually go out of orbit(Robbert Goddard and Von Braun)
>implying a manned spacecraft has ever left earth/moon orbit

>The internet was invented by The united States and Europe
internet - usa
WWW - switzerland.
www>internet
What do we use today?

>We invented television(Philo T. Farnsworth)
tv sucks
>can't come up with an argument
>your invention sucks

>The assembly line(henry ford)
nigger you just went full retard
http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/ford.htm

>The democratization of the world
by that you mean imperialism, right? britian beat you too it, they owned alot of places... OH RIGHT, AMERICA TOO AMIRIGHT?

HerpDerp

>Saving Europe from your shitty countries rule
... nigger what
If we had not intervened the Soviets would have annexed all of Europe
>Electric Power(franklin
egpyt thousands of years ago
Source

>Alternating current(tesla)
>radio(tesla)

SERBIAN PRIDE!
>fled Serbia because of the draft
How about you back up your arguments with evidence?

[Anonymous No.2043461]

Dear idiots, who think the aircraft carriers are better value for money.

If it were not for CERN, Tim Berners-Lee would not have developed the World Wide Web, and you would not be able to be spouting your ignorant, small minded opinions.

This is all.

[Anonymous No.2043462]

>>2042774
true, but:

A)LHC does particle and energy research - meaning new better weapons! for example, the LHC in part researches Anti-matter. and Anti-matter is a shitload stronger then regular nukes.

B)this will go into an endless loop and an infinite money drain. U.S. upgraded it weapons -> China / Iran upgrades theirs in response. repeat. I wish we as a specific would go beyond our bestial nature already. there are ways besides large scale wars.

[Anonymous No.2043463]

>>2043452
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_Ranking_of_World_Universities

its made by China you stupid bastard

[Anonymous No.2043464]

>>2043455
internet was shitty without WWW, much like a computer is a total piece of shit without a GUI.

electricity - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baghdad_Battery

>implying soviet europe is inherently bad

>spreading democracy
sure is retarded

etc etc

[Anonymous No.2043466]

>>2043462
You do know anti-matter should never be weaponized right?

It would be the end of us all


Also anti-matter is hard of fuck to make

[Anonymous No.2043467]

>>2043463
>doesn't know china and america are in each other's pants

they're sex buddies yo, america gets all of its crappy shit made in china, and china gets all of its good shit made in america.

its a love/hate relationship

[Anonymous No.2043469]

>>2043463
That explains everything, now I KNOW it's full of shit.

[Anonymous No.2043471]

>>2043464
The Soviet Union killed 20 million of its own citizens you stupid motherfucker

Also modern electrical power descends from Franklin not the Baghdad Battery

I said Europe and the USA because they share the credit

[Anonymous No.2043474]

>>2043471
>implying killing the retarded part of your population is bad
you should try it america, you seriously need it

[Anonymous No.2043476]

But we need these ships to fight brown people.

[Anonymous No.2043477]

>>2043467
>>2043469
http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2010/results

We still have a majority

[Anonymous No.2043479]

>>2043477
a 14/20 majority

[Anonymous No.2043489]

>>2043477
Quality > Quantity

That's assuming that the people in our higher education are even smart enough to grasp what they're trying to learn.

[Anonymous No.2043498]

>>2043497
>animu
>murikka
nope.jpg

[Anonymous No.2043497]

Proud American here.

[Anonymous No.2043501]

>>2043489
yeah we have both

I unlike you have evidence

[Anonymous No.2043502]

To note, by US law it's Navy is required to have at least 11 aircraft careers in commissioned service at all times.

The USS Enterprise, the first nuclear powered aircraft career in the world, has served in the United States Navy for fifty years. The Ford and others of her class are expected to last for longer.

The economic impact of aircraft carrier is astounding. The materials, labor, and manning required to operating such a vessel is quite a unmatched footprint.
It will sail hundreds of thousands of nautical miles, support humanitarian and military efforts around the world, serve as a deterrent to unlawful acts of aggression, and super-charge the economy of any port it pulls into.

[Anonymous No.2043511]

>>2043501
>evidence
>random sites with the webmaster's opinions

[Anonymous No.2043535]

>>2043511
> baseless actuation

I bet if all European universities were at the top you would not question it

[Anonymous No.2043546]

>>2043195

>The democratization of the world

Nope. Democratization was a long processes start off way back in the French Revolution, and the Enlightenment era. Alot of the modern evolution of democracy came from Europe.

May I remind you that the U.S. was among the last ones to give rights to blacks.

>Saving Europe from your shitty countries rule

Again, nope. French Revolution, and the many revolutions that followed it coupled with the Enlightenment Era.

>Electric Power

Tesla.

>Radio (Tesla)

Marconi had a much bigger role in radio and he's European. and Tesla was European by birth aswell.

Also - all the inventors were independed, no backing from the government.

[Anonymous No.2043550]

>>2043497

Portrayed in true Japanese style. Way to be consistent!

[Anonymous No.2043586]

>>2043546
>The democratization of the world

Nope. Democratization was a long processes start off way back in the French Revolution, and the Enlightenment era. Alot of the modern evolution of democracy came from Europe.

May I remind you that the U.S. was among the last ones to give rights to blacks

Isolated incident you can't use that to discredit our entire democracy
.
We were the first modern democracy

and the French revolution did not change shit

it turned into an oligarchy then to a monarchy again

We stayed a democracy after our revolution

>Saving Europe from your shitty countries rule

Again, nope. French Revolution, and the many revolutions that followed it coupled with the Enlightenment Era.

I was talking about the soviet union

>Electric Power

Tesla.

An american

your point?

>Radio (Tesla)

Marconi had a much bigger role in radio and he's European. and Tesla was European by birth aswell.

Also - all the inventors were independed, no backing from the government.

Tesla holds the patent for the Radio, and it does not matter then he was from Europe once you immigrate to america you are an american.

How does being backed by the Government matter at all?

the whole point of the United States is that the people are the nation not the government

[Anonymous No.2043592]

>>2043497
Yeah fuck anime

[Anonymous No.2043617]

Fuck yeah america

[Anonymous No.2043633]

>>2043474
Except the main target was intellectuals you dumb fuck

[Anonymous No.2043671]

>>2043633
>20 million died at war because they served in army
>intellectuals were the largest part of those 20 million
herpaderp

[Anonymous No.2043674]

>>2043671
it was the gulags you idiot not the war

[Anonymous No.2043686]

>>2043674
About 20 million Soviets died due to WWII.
Gulags took WAY less.
Don't mess up statistics, bro.

[Anonymous No.2043700]

>>2043686
coming from the man that discredits university statistics without evidence

[Anonymous No.2043701]

>>2043195
They are pretty fucking good at literature.
I'm thankful for that :)

[Anonymous No.2043703]

Although they are grossly expensive and I think the fact we have almost, if not more, aircraft carriers than the rest of the world combined is too much, I got to say the are some of the coolest things to date.

It's a nuclear powered airport in the middle of the sea. The only way it could be cooler was if it had lasers and flew / was submersible.

[Anonymous No.2043726]

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU I HATE THOSE RETARDS THEY WANT TO CUT INVESTMENT IN SCIENCE AND THEY SPEND OVER 9000 MILLIONS ON RETARDED MILITARY STUFF!!!!! FFFFFU RAGE RAJFSADKFJSADKFJAS;LKDFJSA;LKDFJASD;KLFJSAD;KLF

[Anonymous No.2043744]

>>2043703
something like the atlantis from supreme commander? a giant aircraft-carrier-submarine. avaible in the colours blue, gree, yellow, red, yellow, yellow, pink and yellow.

[Anonymous No.2043752]

>>2043502
I've read you comment.
Your words are not being unnoticed.

[Anonymous No.2043762]

Is there an established science federation? If so tell me I'd like to donate.

[Anonymous No.2043776]

>>2043701
Agreed forgot about that

sorry

[Anonymous No.2043794]

ITT egoistical faggots who would actually give there lives if told to by there cuntrys

but what ever evolution is playing its course people like you normally end up like this

[Anonymous No.2043805]

>>2043794
Main pro america arguer here

No I would not I detest our millitary

I love america because of our science and higher education

[Anonymous No.2043990]

How can we destroy Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam once and for all and rid him from 4chan?

We're going to need all of the power that science and research can muster

[Anonymous No.2044278]

The only reason the USA tops in science is because they have HOW MANY UNIVERSITIES IN HOW MANY STATES? HOLY SHIT YOU GOT LIKE WHAT ACCORDING TO...

"ccording to UNESCO[2] the US has the second largest number of higher education institutions in the world, with a total of 5,758, an average of more than 115 per state. "

I'm so FUCKING amazed that you got some in the TOP 100. Holy shit, I mean-statistics PEOPLE.

Instead of how many in the top 100 universities, what about the percentage based-aka 100/6000= 1.6% of universities in top 100,tsktsk-

[Anonymous No.2044289]

>be 10 trillion dollars in debt
>spend 85 billion on useless shit anyway

fuck this, we need another bill clinton (hillary?)

[Anonymous No.2044295]

>>2044278

there are only about 2 universities per state that anyone even cares about...

[Anonymous No.2044302]

>>2044289
Fuck no
Hillary is a crazy bitch
Also we don't want the US government to become a dynasty
Most of the stuff that Obama has proposed has been proposed by his advisers and the federal reserve anyways.
If you think Hillary Clinton would have made any othe things he has done any differently you're delusional.

[Anonymous No.2044313]

>>2044302

Bill clinton got us out of debt

its not a stretch to say hillary couldn't do the same =\

inb4 you believe everything the media tells you

[Anonymous No.2044323]

This shit is coming out of my tax money.

I'm sad.
Yeah, I'm sad.

[Anonymous No.2044331]

>>2044313
Those were different times my friend
Back then everyone was spending like crazy because of the internet bubble and we didn't go through the housing crash and we hadn't gone to war.
Even Bill Clinton couldn't have gotten us out of this mess in the time range most people expect the president to magically fix everything.

[Anonymous No.2044345]

I don't know if you guys have been living under a rock these past few days
But China launched a missile near the coast of California to display power or something
The Chinese debt is also accumulating and the US is pressuring China to stop making their money artificially low compared to the US dollar.
I say we're near the beginning of a second cold war

[Anonymous No.2044353]

Become higher up in military.
Become higher up in military supplier.
Buy own product.
?????
PROFIT!!!

My favorite of the above type of story is body armor. We took the bid from a company that a general was apart of. After buying his own bid, general retires. Lives in luxury. They took his big over dragonscale armor (gay name, but actually great armor.) The only test to prove dragonscale inferior to his product was his own test. Which has been reproduced to show it was botched. And since then, they've cut down the size of the body armor covering around the kidney areas to save $$$.
Last year Princeton came out with an armor test that they said was farrrr superior to any other test to date. Put there results on the web, showing our military makes terrible choices. One week later, site and all records don't exist.

[Anonymous No.2044354]

>>2044345
>Cold war

you don't even know what that means, do you? Hint: it was called the cold war because it took place in siberia which is FUCKING COLD

[Anonymous No.2044395]

>>2044354
lol no you dumbass
Cold war is when countries fight through espionage and covert sabotage

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.2044404]

Willpower and intelligence will be all that is needed.

[Anonymous No.2044417]

>>2044404
and trillions of dollars and some of those aircraft carriers.

[Anonymous No.2044426]

Pic is related to the United States of America.

[Anonymous No.2044429]

>>2044404
Or better yet...
We should start a silicon valley in a remote place
Like somewhere near North Carolina or Wyoming
Well Wyoming might be too remote...

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.2044437]

>>2044417
Actually closer to 11.2 million.
>>2044429
I wouldn't start a lemonade stand in America now.

[Anonymous No.2044445]

We could be doing all sorts of awesome shit with that money, but instead of that we are buying another penis enlargement kit for the military? What the shit?

[Anonymous No.2044448]

>>2044437
Hey inuyasha, if the idea of the The Technocratic Republic of Sci, or TTRS for short, ever comes up for serious debate, hit me up. Sounds like a wonderful alternative for Scandinavia

[Anonymous No.2044462]

>>2044437
call me when you actually develop Artificial Intelligence that would be fit to run a country
Otherwise this "technocracy" experiment is pointless

[Anonymous No.2044478]

>>2044462
>Technocracy is a form of government in which engineers, scientists, health professionals and other technical experts are in control of decision making in their respective fields.

who said anything about AI?

[Anonymous No.2044516]

>>2044404
>>2044429
>>2044437
>>2044462
>>2044478

OH HEY

I REMEMBER THIS THING

IT FAAAILED

IT FAILED HILARIOUSLY BEFORE ANYBODY DID ANYTHING JUST LIKE EVEN THE SIMPLEST OF 4CHAN PROJECTS

YOUR DREAMS WILL NEVER BECOME A REALITY

YOU WILL BE FORCED TO LIVE IN AMERICA AS IT BECOMES A NEOFEUDAL SHITHOLE.

YOU'D HAVE TO BE INSANE TO BELIEVE ANY OTHER POSSIBILITY. EVERY OTHER POSSIBILITY IS COMPLETELY UNREALISTIC. U SAD?

Oh except maybe suicide. That possibility isn't all that unrealistic. Very realistic, actually.

[Anonymous No.2044537]

>>2044516
Jegus, slow down on the cocaine capsfag.

[Anonymous No.2044539]

>>2044478
What do you mean in their respective fields?
Who would run the government then?

[Anonymous No.2044543]

Canadafag here.

I think we all agree that the military is a necessary expenditure, just not on the scale it is today. For example, the USN's fleet of Wasp- and Tarawa- class amphibious vessels are already in great excess to the carrier capacity of the rest of the world. And with the Royal Navy's newfound budget cuts (and the planned mothballing of the HMS Prince of Whales immediately upon its construction), that will remain the case until 2020 at the earliest.

I find it somewhat unlikely that America's European NATO allies will be burning bridges in a military campaign anytime soon, and they're the only ones with anything comparable to the American defense industry. If the US decided it would always maintain the capacity to go to war, and win, against the next two largest world powers simultaneously, while NATO collectively maintained the capacity to go to war, and win, against the combined rest of the planet, we would be able to collectively cut $350 billion dollars a year in funding.

$350 billion dollars per year.

[Anonymous No.2044547]

>>2044539
The board of them combined. It works quite well for china

[Anonymous No.2044591]

>>2044547
China is ran by scientists and engineers?

[Anonymous No.2044593]

>>2044543
>canadafag
stopped reading here

[Anonymous No.2044606]

>>2044591
yes, actually. Ever since Mao died

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.2044646]

>>2044448
Once the model city is shown to work efficiently and fuckawesomely, I will be offering and arranging with willing countries to implement similar systems there.
>>2044462
'I' don't need to develop anything. The march of technology, demand and the free market will do it.
>>2044478
The new plan is to have human-level AI automation in pretty much all factories, service, defense and infrastructure areas. Think Australia Project from Manna.
>>2044516
Entirely new plan bro.

[Anonymous No.2044657]

We could have totally built a space elevator by now if we didn't have such a hardon for blowing people up.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.2044664]

>>2044646
>The new plan is to have human-level AI automation in pretty much all factories, service, defense and infrastructure areas. Think Australia Project from Manna.

[Abyssal !Ryoko/T9bc No.2044673]

Like the world needs more militarism. This makes me sad. We got games now that do better then war, what the fuck.

[Anonymous No.2044683]

>>2044673
The world would be a better place if we solved all political disputes with a match of Slayer.

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.2044685]

>>2044664
Think. Google already have prototype alpha-version self-driving cars that drive really well on the roads. By 2020 self-driving cars, trucks and so forth will be commercially available. Then it will be basic droids for cleaning, perhaps being a janitor. Stocking shelves. Then it will move to droids that can manufacture goods pretty much completely autonomously. There will be a huge market for employers that want more efficient, non-tardy and cheaper employees.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.2044740]

>>2044685

>Self-driving cars
>Post-Singularity artificial intelligence coded by Google

Yeah, no.

[Anonymous No.2044752]

>>2044685
It doesn't matter if the technology exists, you stupid shit, you'll never pull it off. You're a brain-fried stoner who wastes his friday nights on 4chan.

[Anonymous No.2044764]

>>2042774

HURR WE HAVE ENEMIES

God damnit I hate this planet. No, correction: I hate the people on this planet.

Had everyone just been like Carl Sagan og Richard Feynman og anyone even remotely like that... it would have been damn near perfect.

In a few years time there will be 7 billion people on this planet. 7 billion. Seven. Fucking. Billion human beings. Most of them are illiterate scum who look upon life as a right, not a privilege.

Yes, let's solve everything by killing eachother. Good idea.

[Anonymous No.2044775]

[Anonymous No.2044778]

>>2044775
Urgh this is bullshit

[MNCTON No.2044780]

in the 1980s, the US army had the biggest piece of technology and a way of being interconnected with one another. this discovery was a top secret prototype of the internet that they, the army, wanted to keep for themselves, away from civilian reach and so they kept it a secret. the reason that the military can never again be counted on to keep secrets; look at who has access to the internet less than a generation later - EVERYBODY!

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.2044783]

>>2044778

No. It really isn't. America can't distribute its budget right.

[Anonymous No.2044784]

>>2044752
There is no reason to be so angry about this.

[Anonymous No.2044795]

Iunno, 14 black holes seems pretty scurry.

[Anonymous No.2044798]

>>2044752
this.

How do you propose to stop people from having kids? If i lived in your delusion where people just did whatever they wanted i would be fucking as many girls as i could. eventually you wont be able to support everyone. and then its just the same as every other society. unless you plan to force people to not have children whichs means i will fuck your city up.

[Anonymous No.2044816]

Jesus fuck

why doesn't scientists (and other science-interested people) revolt against this? This is proper bullshit!

something has to be done! I'm going to write to my local paper about this.

[Anonymous No.2044864]

>>2042804
Somebody needs to add lighting bolts between this cats paws so it can has shambler powers.

[Anonymous No.2044868]

>>2043195
>>2043400
Just a piece of info for you two.

"Who invented the airplane? Santos-Dumont or the Wright brothers?

Brazil and France, Alberto Santos-Dumont is considered the inventor of the airplane. On 23 October 1906, in Paris, Santos-Dumont flew the 14-Bis, self-propelled, 50-meter distance, 2 meters high from the ground, for 7 seconds, with a supervisory committee of the Aeroclub of France , who had promised a cash prize to the first man to make a flight.

In almost all other countries, the Wright brothers are considered the pioneers of aviation to have flown on 17 December 1903, three years before Santos-Dumont. But this flight was done without witnesses or a scientific committee and the unit of Wright, other than 14-a, did not use its own propulsion. He was catapulted into the wind and only once managed to maintain the air. "

http://hubpages.com/hub/Who-invented-the-airplane-Santos-Dumont-or-the-Wright-brothers

Not from France or a brazillian for that matter, but if you mean the wright's invented the first life size toyplane them yeah, they invented it, we would be catapulting our planes today to go the distance of a bridge with 80% chance of crashing if it wasn't for Dumont(okay maybe i exaggerated here but you got the point)

Also i suggest you read the comments there, there's some additional info.

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.2044874]

>>2044740
Hurr.
http://www.technewsworld.com/story/emerging-tech/71013.html?wlc=1289109166
I don't need anything near a singularity for this.
>>2044752
You realize this is a project spanning 20 years or more?
>>2044798
Yes, because people spontaneously breed.
My project incidentally crosses paths with the life extension group. Seeing as this is a country/system developed for the more intelligent of humans, birth rate will not be a problem.

[Anonymous No.2044905]

>>2044646
I was kind of flirting with the idea until you mentioned "free market"
Enjoy your country devolving into feudalism

[Anonymous No.2044906]

>>2042774
why would China take out America who else would buy all thier shit?

[Anonymous No.2044913]

>>2044906
China has been using the United States like a cheap prostitute this whole time
Now that their standards of livings are rising their people will be the consumers

[sage No.2044916]

wtf is this thread about? i think i saw it this morning, why is it still here?

OP, the US spends about 4% of its GDP on defence. This is in line with almost every other major country.

The carriers need to be updated.

what is so controversial about this shit?

is /sci/ really this faggy? is this some kind of raid from that shit hole /new/ or /int/ ?

[Anonymous No.2045001]

>>2044916
4% is huge dude
Canada spends a measly 1.1%
I say we lower it to 2% and let those opportunistic assholes pick up the slack.

[Anonymous No.2045005]

>>2044916
>4%
More like 18%, retard.

[Anonymous No.2045019]

>>2045001
>1.1%
>lower to 2%

[Anonymous No.2045033]

>>2045019
I was refering to the United States
We're spending 4% of GDP on the military and we should lower it to 2% of GDP so that Canada will have to spend more money on their military to defend themselves.

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.2045042]

>>2044905
Hurr durr. No, I don't like the idea of a free market, but in the current capitalist system it really does work. There is demand of something, there is money to be made off it.
The system I'm proposing would be nearly identical to the Australia project in Manna (http://www.marshallbrain.com/manna5.htm)) except that immigration would be tighter than just letting everyone in immediately and that the 'government' can give extra credit to people doing scientific projects and so on.

[Anonymous No.2045043]

>>2045005

>18%

>huuuuuuurrrrrrrRRR

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.2045061]

>>2045043
I don't give a shit how much percentage of your GDP is, spending over 100 BILLION DOLLARS ON THE FUCKING MILITARY, LET ALONE 700 BILLION IS ENTIRELY FUCKING ABHORRENT AND I WILL LAUGH AS THE GOVERNMENT FALLS TO SHAMBLES WITH INCOMING HYPERINFLATION FOR THE UNITED STATES.

Good day, sir.

[Anonymous No.2045067]

NOW NOBODY CAN STOP THE US

PREPARE YOUR BUTTS, CHINKS AND MUDSLIMES.

[Chronomaster No.2045078]

The LHC is better than any weapon there is, dimension warping ftw.

[Anonymous No.2045086]

>>2045061


orly? So other countries should get to spend more on defence than we do for no fucking reason?

nice logic fuck face.

And by the way it is usually at around 3.5%, but the wars have pushed it up for these last few years.

It should go down after 2012.

>HYPERINFLATION

>ohshitnigger_what_are_you-saying.gif

You do realize that the Fed is currently trying its hardest to have inflation go UP, not down you retard. If anything we are at a potential risk of persistent deflation.

Do you even know what the current economic global crisis is all about?

[Anonymous No.2045168]

>>2045061

>spending over 100 BILLION DOLLARS ON THE FUCKING MILITARY IS ENTIRELY FUCKING ABHORRENT

so why are you here bitching about America and not on whatever the European 4chan is bitching about the EUs defence spending?

They spend 200 billion euros on defence, and their arms exporters have no moral trepidations in selling weapons to third world countries, just like we do.

Is it just that you're obsessed with the United States, like 99% of all aussies?

How about you just stop watching our movies, tv, visiting our websites and dedicate yourself to being a loyal Chinese subject?

Because according to you the USA will burn soon, and the Chinese are already buying up your fucking economy, so that's your future.

You have it all figured out, so gtfo of here and stop bawwing like a fucking faggot.

[Anonymous No.2045188]

>>2045168

that chart uses the Euro. so it is more like $260 billion dollars. a ton of money.

[Anonymous No.2045204]

Ugh why the fuck are we spending money to weaponize space, that's the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard.

[Anonymous No.2045210]

>>2045061
>67% military/national security

RRRRAAAGEEEEEEEE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkuOAY-S6OY

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.2045215]

>>2045168
>>2045188
>700 million plus people
>45 different countries
>no barging into unnecessary wars
>~250 billion dollars

Meanwhile...
>300 million people
>one country
>started big wars beforehand, such as Vietnam, now in Iraq, Afghanistan, seems to be preparing for war with either Iran or Pakistan
>700+ billion dollars

>BAAAWWWW AUSTRALIANS ATTACKING AMARIKA WHY DONT U ATTACK YUUROP

>>2045086
>orly? So other countries should get to spend more on defence than we do for no fucking reason?
Pic related.
>You do realize that the Fed is currently trying its hardest to have inflation go UP, not down you retard. If anything we are at a potential risk of persistent deflation.
http://www.news.com.au/business/australian-dollar/us-economic-fix-print-money/story-fn6t6wad-1225940
206587
http://blogs.forbes.com/michaelpento/2010/11/03/five-bitter-pills-or-one-sweet-but-deadly/

[Anonymous No.2045278]

>>2045215

>45 different countries

That's what the EU is. A group of nations. Congratulations on finding this out.

>no barging into unnecessary wars

At one point half the troops in Afghanistan were from other NATO members. So they are as involved as we are.

>BAAAWWWW AUSTRALIANS ATTACKING AMARIKA WHY DONT U ATTACK YUUROP

>"derp someone called me out on my bullshit so i'll start typing in all caps"

You're a butthurt faggot. Just let it go bro.

>http://www.news.com.au/business/australian-dollar/us-economic-fix-print-money/story-fn6t6wad-122
5940
206587

Congratulations on regurgitation exactly what I just told you.

First you post a link saying 'LOLOL DUURR HURR HYPERINFLATION' , then I inform you how fucking stupid you are, and then you post an article proving my point.

I already told you the Fed was trying to push inflation up. That's what QE2 is about.
And you can thank the Chinese for fucking around with their currency.

But America does the same to help its own economy and they start crying like faggots.

Again, you seem to have no fucking clue about what is going on anywhere.

Typical 14 year old aussie america-obsessed keyboard warrior.

Don't worry fag, you'll get those yanks soon!


And I'm out of this thread. Instead of raging back, go pick up an economics book. And instead of just reading about Americas economic problems, read up on other nations. You'll be amazed at how much you can learn.

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.2045314]

>That's what the EU is. A group of nations. Congratulations on finding this out.
I see you ignored 700 million plus people.
>At one point half the troops in Afghanistan were from other NATO members. So they are as involved as we are.
First, [citation needed]
Second, AT ONE POINT.
Thirdly, NATO doesn't include all European nations.
>You're a butthurt faggot. Just let it go bro.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Oh, and while they may be trying to prevent deflation, they seem to be cranking it all the way to the other side of the spectrum. Aka. TOO MUCH MUNNAY

Anyway, got to go now. Bai.

[Anonymous No.2045337]

>>2042686
A well equipped military is necessary to protecting a country. LHC while cool is not more important than defense.

[Anonymous No.2045343]

>>2045337

[Anonymous No.2045351]

I live in the UK, where the rage is 10x as much as we bought an aircraft carrier BUT NOW CAN'T AFFORD THE AIRCRAFT.

[Anonymous No.2045354]

>>2045343
what actually happened.

[Anonymous No.2045362]

>mfw the only reason we are able to do science is because of a powerful military
>mfw war did more to advance technology than anything else

[Anonymous No.2045431]

>>2044685
>Stocking shelves.

Actually it's more efficient I feel to redesign stores entirely and have them function (loosely) like giant vending machines.

[Anonymous No.2045450]

>>2045354
I'm saving that.

[Anonymous No.2045483]

>>2045354
>>2045343
Anyone who believes in proportional response is a fucking faggot.

[NuBlackAnon !!pz0lGlfeAp1 No.2045520]

>>2043029
spoilers: a large majority of research is done by the military, through active testing and design, (space technology is pretty much a side effect of the military realizing that space is useful), and the carriers are pretty much replacements, so complaining about them is dumb and counter-productive.

[Anonymous No.2045533]

>America
>Spend all of its money on the military instead of the LHC
>When Europeans get something useful out of the LHC, everyone in America will benefit the same as the Europeans
>Receive exactly the same benefits while also getting aircraft carriers worth several billion dollars
>Americas face

[Anonymous No.2045541]

>>2045533
how does it feel being our little slaves, europe?

[Anonymous No.2045557]

>>2045533
Haha, how fucked this is, yet so true.
Definitely can't blame eurofags being butt hurt over this.

[Anonymous No.2045566]

>>2042686

The LHC has broken many times, takes days to prepare and has run multiple cycles to get the tiniest bits of data.

The Aircraft Carrier will not break, is ready to go at a moment's notice and gets shit done right and completely the first time.

[Anonymous No.2045578]

lets say the LHC finds nothing, then its 6 billion wasted dollars for a fancy underground circle

the existence of the aircraft carrier makes it, at this point, worth more than the possible existence of what the LHC could find

[Anonymous No.2045587]

>>2045578
I wouldn't say that, I think they should continue the LHC. It has potential to come up with some advancements that might be beneficial to us, and as an American, I'm letting the europeans pay for it anyways, so nothing to lose for me.

[Anonymous No.2045590]

>live in NZ
>utterly defenseless
>nobody takes military seriously
>break into navy property
>get high

I can understand continental nations with potentially dangerous neighbours needing a powerful military but seriously? The US has Canada and Mexico to worry about. Canada's not a worry, and Mexico is just a good source of labour. The only reason you guys feel the need to have a big military is so you can stick your armored dick into other people's business.

[Anonymous No.2045594]

>>2045587
>potential

thats what I'm saying. It has the "potential" to be worth the 6 billion dollars

these carriers are worth their 8.5 billion the second they leave the dock for the first time

[Anonymous No.2045595]

>>2045215
One of the biggest problems with the Chinese military is they keep it closely under wraps. We don't know two shits about how many people or how much they spend on their military, they do most of it pretty covertly. Only showing us what they want. AKA occasionally freaking us the fuck out with their submarines.

If you've magically uncovered hard numbers, I'm positive the government would handsomely reimburse your finding. Have fun being a millionaire O wise one.

[Anonymous No.2045602]

>>2045590
>Only canada and mexico to worry about

Or maybe fucking China?

[Anonymous No.2045611]

>>2045590
IT JUST FEELS SO GOOOOOD!!!!

[Anonymous No.2045614]

>>2045602
Why would China invade the US?

[Anonymous No.2045624]

>>2045614
It's pretty much inevitable that China is going to attempt to conquer the world at some point in time. Might as well be prepared for that moment.

[Anonymous No.2045632]

>>2045590

The United States navy keeps sea lanes open and stable.

This is a fact.

Go ask the Iranians if they feel like mining the gulf again after we sank their navy.

I am 100% sure that if America did not invest in its navy, Europe would make up for it by building something equivalent to what we have now.

The stability of the worlds trade still depends on Europe or America keeping the ocean commerce going.

You are a very naive person if you believe other wise.

[Anonymous No.2045643]

>>2045614
>>2045624
China and the USA are butt buddies. Their economies rely heavily on each other. American's get their shit from china, china sells their crap america. America sells stuff to china and china buys it.

China is moving from a form of communist fascism to a type of free market fascism, so pretty much Soviet -> Nazi.

And america has been friends with them the whole time

[Anonymous No.2045648]

>>2045643
>america has been friends with them the whole time

only since mao died

[FOR SANITY!!!! No.2045745]

>>2045624
Oh please, if China and the rest of the world has learned anything from the history of western imperialism, it's cheaper to own the world rather than attack it.

[Anonymous No.2045774]

>>2045745

They're not naive. They know that the US will default on its loans rather than become Chinese property once the have no other choice. They will have to take what they've earned by force.

[Anonymous No.2045777]

>>2045648
Mao is the probably the greatest revolutionary ever.

[Anonymous No.2045781]

>>2045774
>China
>attacking the USA successfully

[Anonymous No.2045782]

>>2045774
China depends on the united states you god damn nigger, pay attention to what i said.

They're a web, their economies depend on each other. Neither of them are gonna fuck that shit up any time soon

[Anonymous No.2045783]

Itt.........

[Anonymous No.2045794]

>>2045783
So perfect.

[Anonymous No.2045796]

>>2045782

The trade dependency is irrelevant once the US economy collapses. The Chinese will call in their debts, the US will refuse and then they will go to war. They won't just let their people starve because your economy is fucked and can no longer supply what you owe. They'll kill you for your land and do it themselves.

[Anonymous No.2045800]

Again, if USA actually collapses, so will china. If one goes down, so will the other.

China has thrown its communism out the window, which would have actually really helped it in this.

Either way, if it were to really come down to both with crushed economies, NATO would side with the USA because china is fascist.

[Anonymous No.2045802]

>>2045796

>They'll kill you for your land and do it themselves.

they can try.

p.s. : enjoy your 1000 year global nuclear winter.

[Anonymous No.2045805]

>>2045783
this.

[FOR SANITY!!!! No.2045819]

>>2045796
That's absurd, okay, it's more practical to write off the losses or to try and call in the debts later. You simply don't attack any motherfucker with nukes and ICBMs.

[Indexer !t1.kaRtHUs No.2045853]

>Nukes
oh for god sake, we have ANTIMATTER PAYLOADS

WE HAVE GIANT FUCKING MICROWAVES THAT CAN BE USED FROM KILOMETERS AWAY

WE HAVE LASERS THAT CAN BURN AIRPLANES THAT ARE ON THE OTHER FUCKING PART OF THE WORLDS

and all you guys can talk about is nukes.

god dammit.

[Anonymous No.2045867]

>>2045853
Yeah I saw that kind of technology in Ironman 2 too! Fucking sheeple I tell you

[Indexer !t1.kaRtHUs No.2045875]

>>2045867

http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/12/72134

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmkYcEcSLvA

it's not news, they were prototypes several years ago.

[Anonymous No.2046489]

>>2045875

We should fund the hell out of that laser, mount it on satellites and program them to kill all missiles. Then all countries could stop funding nuclear and icbm programs and put that money into something useful.

captcha: alaskensis proandia

[Anonymous No.2046496]

>>2042883
I dunno, is air-superiority important when it comes to armed conflict? Take a look at the kill/loss ratio when it comes to aerial conflicts the US in involved in. Now consider we are always going up against Russian weapons. Who's the fool?

[Anonymous No.2046509]

>>2042999
We're not so bad off when you compare our situation with the rest of the world. Could we do better? Of course, but don't let your discontent with our politics color your sense of reality to the point that you're complaining about the American police state while in fact people here live some of the most carefree lives anywhere on the planet.

[Anonymous No.2046511]

>>2042914
Oh wow. I just did some extremely general calculations, and while you're off by a factor of 10, for the cost of both current wars of ~$1t, we could have literally given every Afghani and Pakistani citizen $5000.

[Anonymous No.2046516]

>>2042920
I think the idea is that the money could be spent on funding research in general

[Anonymous No.2046520]

>>2046511
yeah, giving every afghan 5 grand would have totally accomplished....what? For how long?

[Anonymous No.2046626]

Economically speaking frontier science will have a far better payoff than an aircraft carrier. Cancer cures would save people from costly surgeries and chemo, and allow them to work, which would allow them to purchase the latest hover car that was researched and developed, using technology invented by scientists who also benefited from this government grant money.

[Anonymous No.2047333]

>>2042848
>>2043101
Oh, man, nostalgia. That was a GREAT game.

Only my dad managed to get the launch arcologies to take off, though, I think.

[Anonymous No.2047362]

>>2042943
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread278146/pg1
OH HEY LOOK RED FLAG RESULTS

[Anonymous No.2047363]

I guess joining some sort of weapon research field is all the rave?

[Anonymous No.2047381]

>>2047362
12 F-22s acquired over 100 times as many missile locks on other planes, even with operators new to the system, against highly experienced operators.

Awesome. By which I mean holy shit.

[confused No.2047521]

why the fuck am I reading all this?

[Anonymous No.2047571]

I think both are pretty awesome TBH.

How about a compromise? Five supercarriers and five supercolliders.

Also, don't forget a lot of US money went into building the LHC.

[Anonymous No.2048111]

>America says fuck it, becomes isolationist again
>Europe devolves into a three way war between slavs, turks/arabs, and westerners
>China, India, and Pakistan use nukes on eachother
>Japan goes imperial again
>Africa turns into a bigger shitstorm (is that even possible?)

>everyone begs america to put everything in place again
>America comes back bigger than ever, like a fucking boss

OMG FUCKING AMERICA IMPERIALIST PIGS, GET OUT OF OUR COUNTRIES

[Anonymous No.2048141]

>>2042686
>US army will be introducing ten such aircraft carriers
>US Army
nope.jpg

[Anonymous No.2048143]

>>2048111
people never do think about what the world would be like without Us

[Anonymous No.2048159]

>>2048143
It's just a bunch of mad russia fags that are upset because the USSR lost the cold war, and that russia is now sucking capitalist cock.

[Anonymous No.2048176]

>>2048111
>Implying slavs are not bros

[Anonymous No.2048201]

>>2048159
Problem Russia?

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.2049092]

bump

[Anonymous No.2049125]

>>2042686
I sad

[Anonymous No.2049839]

bump for teh lulz