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2016674 No.2016674 [Reply] [Original]

Isn't it sad that free will doesn't exist?

>> No.2016677

Not really. Whether it exists or not, our existence continues exactly in the same way as it was before. That is, our perception of reality continues to be the same. So fuck it. If the illusion of free will is this good, who cares?

>> No.2016676

How do you come to that conclusion?

Quantum shit fucks up all the clockwork universe stuff.

>> No.2016685

The molecular basis of whether free will exists or not is irrelevant. In our level of perception we are making decisions and doing what we want with our life. That is the only thing that matters.

>> No.2016691

I am free to do whatever I want. How is that not free will?

>> No.2016700

>>2016676
Quantum randomness doesn't result free will. You're still dependent of that randomness so you aren't completely free.

>> No.2016708

objectively, free will does not exist
subjectively, free will does exist

>> No.2016709

If the smae person is offered the same choices in the same circumstance, he is free to choose which choice he prefers. I really can't think of any other definition of free will without getting into the metaphysical.

>> No.2016715

>>2016700
So-called quantum randomness doesn't imply actual randomness. The so-called random distribution could be driven by something intentional.

>> No.2016719

>>2016691
No you're not. You're choises are result of the environment and genes.

>> No.2016726
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2016726

>>2016674

So sad despite new QM insights, retarded determinists and arrogant nihilists still insist there is no possibility for free choice.

Seriously, you guys probebly haven`t read a sceintific magazine scince the late 70`s.

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2016748

WTF is all this science fan talk of inherrent randomness in QM. We dont know this yet!

I dont care if you saw it on your favorite sci-fi show - there are still several competing and equally valid theories on QM. Some are deterministic some arnt

>> No.2016759

>>2016719
>You're choises
trying too hard

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2016777

First off refer to pic, second i'm a hard determinist and I believe in free will, third quantum mechanical bull shittery.

>> No.2016787

>>2016777
>i'm a hard determinist and I believe in free will
how's that?

>> No.2016790

daniel dennett "freedom evolves" read it.

>> No.2016799

What about the readiness potential?

>> No.2016800

>>2016726

Because very small particles behave in an unpredictable manner when observed, humans must have free will. QED

retardd

>> No.2016806

>>2016787
When you are making a claim about determinism it's a trait that is universal, but we ourselves are not universal we are finite and we do not have the ability to know everything about the universe. We then from our point of view have free will.

>> No.2016830

>>2016674
Isn't it sad.. that OP could have chosen to NOT be a huge faggot?