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What is 1 dimensional?

>> No.1990871

A line.

>> No.1990874

Google you dumbfuck

>> No.1990881

read flatworld

>> No.1990883

a line...
0=point
1=length
2=width
3=depth
4=SPACE AND TIME NIGGERS

>> No.1990888

>>1990883

But..
Microscopically, the point will still have a length and a width.

>> No.1990893

>>1990888
Sure won't. "Point" is abstract, not physical.

>> No.1990894

>>1990888
i love how you do not understand the definition of a point

>> No.1990898

>>1990888
not in planck scales

>> No.1990900

A line.

>> No.1990903

>>1990893

But, how do you know it exists?

>> No.1990904

A line or line segment.

>> No.1990905

>>1990903
It doesn't exist. It's a concept.

>> No.1990909

>>1990903
because it only exists in your mind...

>> No.1990911
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1990911

>>1990888

An IQ test should be required in order to fucking use the internet.

>> No.1990914

>>1990904

I thought a line was 2 dimensional.

>> No.1990915

how does this guy not understand the fundamentals of math

>> No.1990916

>>1990914
No, a line is one dimensional. A plane is two dimensional.

>> No.1990921

>>1990909

But I cannot perceive it.

How can you tell me something exists if I cannot observe it?

>> No.1990925

>>1990916

A plane is three dimensional.
Otherwise it wouldn't be able to fly.

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1990932

>THIS THREAD

>> No.1990937

>>1990932

YOUR FACE LOOKS INTELLIGENT.

Where can I find the 1st dimension?

>> No.1990942

>>1990925
facepalm.jpg

>> No.1990963

>>1990937

It's been explained to you.
1 dimension is a concept.
(that's something you can think about but can't draw with crayons)
The concept is a point or line which exists in only one dimension, much like the depth of your mind.
If you can't grasp this, I'm surprised you're able to breathe without making a conscious effort.

>> No.1990964

A point has 0 and infinity dimensions.
A line is the sq.rt of a point.
A plane is the sq.rt of a line.

You are all stupid faggots.

>> No.1990980

>>1990964

OP here.
I didn't realise 0 or infinity were numbers.

>> No.1990991

>>1990980
They actually aren't. I'm starting to suspect OP is smarter than he lets on.

>> No.1990993

I give up.
20 minutes is enough.

Did you really think it was possible for someone to be THAT stupid?

You're all just as egotistical as I thought.

I feel like Donald Trump.

>> No.1990995

>>1990980
They are meta-numbers.
Number+Word = Numord.

I'm sure this will be stolen and put in the news paper as the discovery of some super genius scientist like my other random writings on here.

>> No.1990999

>>1990995

You.
Are the best example of a self-absorbed, conceited intellectual whose superiority complex stunts his social growth.

>> No.1991007

>>1990991

Flattering.

Probably.
But I love talking about math, and pretending I know nothing.

>> No.1991008

ITT: Successful troll is incredibly successful

>> No.1991016

>>1991008

Like I said.
I feel like Donald Trump.

Fuck.
That was really funny too;
Planes are 3-dimensional.

Damn I'm good.

>> No.1991020

an impulse

>> No.1991028

>>1990999
Ok. I don't really care.

0 is as much of a number as 1. You can derive the operators +,-,x,division from 0 mathematics, along with partial operators.

>> No.1991033

>>1991028

0 is not a number.
Fuck you're more stupid than I was pretending to be.

>> No.1991048

There's nothing before everything. There's nothing after everything. There's nothing in everything.

The statements themselves make them different nothings.

>> No.1991056

>>1991033
It is a number and not a number.

I don't expect you to understand.

>> No.1991060

in logical terms, one dimensional also refers to a single category

>> No.1991063

>>1991048

Quantum
I'm going to let you finish.
But;
You're letting me troll you too easily.
Obviously zero is a number.
A number is a concept of quantity involving zero and units.
Zero is probably the most important number there is.

I could honestly troll you all day Mr.Hippo.
But; I need to go figure out how magnets work.

Unless you can tell me.
You seem intelligent enough to do that.

>> No.1991064

>>1991028
but you cant devide by 0 though

>> No.1991069

>>1991056

My god.
You're so fucking conceited.
Your superiority complex is going to kill you Quantum.

Is it just me, or does everyone else read Quantum's posts in Sheldon's voice?

>> No.1991075

>>1991056
he means that certain symbols can be either a type of enumerator, or as a type of expression of logical state, depending on the context

0 and 1 as symbols are context dependent and can behave like "numbers", or as representations of other kinds of categories that are descriptive

>> No.1991080

>>1991069
"I don't expect you to understand."
I will from now on.

>> No.1991092

read Dekekind
his book illuminates all these questions

>> No.1991104

Let's get this straight; I understand the concept of 0.
0 is a representation of nothing.
While at the same time, it is a representation of a place between -1 and 1.
It exists both one dimensionally and as a 0-dimension.

>> No.1991106

Ah OP OP OP
A master troll and an intellectual
In my books, you are a god.
You also remind me of myself.
So little effort produces such profound results.

>> No.1991112

a line

>> No.1991125

>>1991106

Thank you.
I have nothing to do.
I would be working on my manuscript but- this turned out more fun.

>> No.1991131

>>1991112

1. Read entire thread.
2. Feel silly?
3. ????
4. I win, again?

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1991136

hia can has a funny joke. wut yuuo say /sci/|? to /b/ or not to /b/FUUUUU

>> No.1991145

>>1991069
I'm conceited because I think I'm smart?
I'm sorry. What if you have no humility?

When I get laughed at its hard to not harbor resentment. Its not like any of you would know what that's like (LOL).

>> No.1991162

>>1991145

No.
It's just that you have this exaggerated sense of self importance.
You've said things that affirm my designation.

"I wouldn't expect you to understand."

That and at some point you assumed that you had put forward a concept that was worthy of publication in a well-respected scientific magazine.

>> No.1991173

>>1991145
>>1991056
>>1990995
>>1990964

Conceited.

>> No.1991179

>>1991104
You have it right. Flip the -1, 0, 1 number line around to 0, 1, 0.

Name them all 0.

Now put 0a, 0b, 0c.

Zero point energy... etc. The math behind deriving symbols is secret -- hope you don't mind.

>> No.1991189

>>1991179
Creates inheritance and lie algebra naturally.

>> No.1991229

OP here.

/thread

>> No.1991236

>>1991145
>>1990995
>They are meta-numbers.
>Number+Word = Numord.

>I'm sure this will be stolen and put in the news paper as the discovery of some super genius scientist like my other random writings on here.
>stolen and put in the news paper as the discovery of some super genius scientist like my other random writings on here.
No, it won't. It's not a genius idea. It's not really an idea at all. You're not a genius, or at least if you are, you haven't made any posts in this thread that show it.

>> No.1991270

a line is 1-d
(geometrically a point has no length/width and a line is made of infinite points)

>> No.1991286

>>1991236
What are you looking for then?

>> No.1991295

>>1991270
Ok, now read the thread

>> No.1991308

>>1991286
I'm not looking for anything. But it sounds a bit pretentious to claim a nonidea is genius.

>> No.1991318

>>1991270
The current definition of a point makes no sense.

How can you have a line if, that which is the distance between two points, if a point has no size at which a line can extend from?

>> No.1991326

>>1991318
retarded faggot FFFFUUUUU

You best be trolling because if you are not, holy shitocksekrjgeklgrjkgrwerfwer

>> No.1991332

>>1991318
Because the distance between the points is the only dimension of the line segment.

>> No.1991344

>>1991318

By my understanding.
One dimension cannot be represented physically because it is a concept, not an actual dimension.
A one dimensional object can be part of a two dimensional object but it cannot be represented individually.

>> No.1991348

>>1991308
Define "non-idea".

That which doesn't exist?

>> No.1991355

>>1991326

>holy shitocksekrjgeklgrjkgrwerfwer,
>You are best troll

Is what you meant to say

>> No.1991358

>>1991332
There can't be a distance between two points by its definition. It's not a secret that Euclidean geometry is fail -- but seriously, there's nowhere to draw a line from if you keep telling yourself a point has no size.

>> No.1991359

>>1991348
An idea that doesn't already exist.
"Zero and infinity are meta-numbers.
Number+Word = Numord."
There is no idea there, or if there is, I'm not seeing it.

>> No.1991360

>>1991348

What you provide was not even a clever observation.
It was an attempt at that.

>> No.1991364

>>1991355
Yes, I see your point; however, I am starting to believe that Quantum Hippo is just that retarded, though that's also characteristic of a master troll. meh.

>> No.1991365

But none of these dimensions exist.

>> No.1991366

>>1991358
A point has no size, but it does have a location. That's where the line is drawn from.

>> No.1991367

>>1991358
THE LINE DOES NOT HAVE ANY THICKNESS EITHER, SMEGMA BREATH.

LRN2FUCKINGMATH

>> No.1991372

My question to all of you is;
how many people are in this thread.

>> No.1991374

>>1991372
Me.

>> No.1991376

>>1991367
also, this, of course
>>1991366

>> No.1991378

You could be Hippo - without his name.

I could be Hippo - without his name

>> No.1991379

>>1991372
Present

>> No.1991384

>>1991374
>>1991366
>>1991359
>>1991332
>>1991308
>>1991080
>>1990942
>>1990916
>>1990905
>>1990904
My posts.

>> No.1991385

>>1991378
No no no. Neither of us are nearly as idiotic.

>> No.1991386

Saying you exist doesn't matter.
You all exist as the same individual.
Therefore - I can assume that you are any number of individuals.

>> No.1991393

The point I'm making here is that - it's not how you represent something that matters.
It's how you think about it.
It doesn't matter how the people I am talking to are represented.
How they could be any number of people.
Because I think about them as (mostly) separate individuals with separate thoughts and opinions.
It's not how you represent the idea of one dimensional.
But how you think about it.

>> No.1991396

>>1991358
>>1991360
Ohhh I see. Words + Numbers means nothing in itself.

Words are lie algebra. Numbers make algebra. They share a tangent. This makes them quantifiable in terms of each other.

I don't think its a magical statement other than it doesn't work in the same way normal math is operated.

>> No.1991403

>>1991385
>>1991379
>>1991376
>>1991364
>>1991326
>>1991295
>>1991106
>>1990991
My posts, if we're going to do this, though it defeats the purpose of (some of) us being anonymous.

>> No.1991410

>>1991366
You can't have location unless its on something with size. You can't make a position on size without size.

Its non communicative.

>> No.1991414

>>1991403

*sigh*
1. I was going deeper than that. Not who posted those things. But who those posts have the potential to be.
Potentially there are more than 70 people here.

2. I was more talking about the difference between thinking about something and representing it.

>> No.1991415

>>1991403
This was also my post:
>>1991367

>> No.1991417

Shit. I meant communitive. Shit.
You guys are going to eat me alive.

Its a closed ring. Therefore lines are derived from it.

>> No.1991424

>>1991414
Hm. I see.
thing that I like about 4chan is that you don't really know the difference between two people having a conversation and 20.

>> No.1991425

For the love of all things good; stop trying to rationalise a one dimensional object.

Something that is one dimensional cannot physically exist.

The concept of one dimensionality is just that, a concept.
It is not an occurrence - it is an idea.

>> No.1991427

>>1991417
Example: A point by itself has no size.

0

Two points in space. [0,0]
Line inbetween. [0,1,0]
Flip it around (LOL NUMBER SYSTEM) -1,0,1
1 contains infinity points.

ERROR ERROR

>> No.1991432

>>1991425
Well it is obviously not matter, but the concept of a point does exist. Points are technically everywhere.

>> No.1991433

something one or two dimensional can not exist. it needs at least 3 dimensions

>> No.1991435

>>1991425
Energy is one dimensional.

>> No.1991437

>>1991433
Tell that to quark-gluon plasma.

>> No.1991443

Me again, I'm renaming myself to Gay-Fish.

>> No.1991444

>>1991433
nurr you people obviously do not understand the concept of a point or a line. They are not objects. They are simply locations or distances and are infinite but also nonexistent (zero)

>> No.1991445

>>1991424

Unless someone becomes a trip.
These were my posts:
>>1991425
>>1991414
>>1991393
>>1991386
>>1991378
>>1991372
>>1991360
>>1991355
>>1991344
>>1991326
>>1991295
>>1991173
>>1991162
>>1991131
>>1991125
>>1991104
>>1991069
>>1991063
>>1991033
>>1991016
>>1991007
>>1990999
>>1990993
>>1990980
>>1990963
>>1990937
>>1990925
>>1990921
>>1990914
>>1990905
>>1990903
>>1990888
>>1990868

>> No.1991450

>>1991410
>you can't have location unless its on something with size. You can't make a position on size without size.
The location is in multidimensional space, which has size. The point itself is zero dimensional, though.

>> No.1991454

>>1991444
yeah, i know what you mean, but i speak of the physical existence. not some idea in my head

>> No.1991456

>>1991445
Well well well. Anyway, I'm going to leave this thread now, have...eh...fun?

>> No.1991463

>>1991456
Also, there are 4 people in this thread, I believe. Maybe 5.

>> No.1991470

>>1991463
that's about 76% of all /sci/

>> No.1991474

>>1991463
This was me.
>>1991384
Shall we acquire tripcodes?

>> No.1991476

I'm not even a regular on sci.
I spend of my time on /lit/ or /fit/

~OP

>> No.1991485

>>1991450
Like I said: The definition doesn't make sense when you are trying to relate geometry to reality.

The definition of a point means its a closed ring. You can't have a logical interaction between 'a line' and 'a point'.

The problem is that it shows a serious flaw in how conclusions are made. If you make a shitty foundation, your building is going to be falling down -- eventually.

>> No.1991489 [DELETED] 

>>1990868
the span of a single, linearly independent vector<div class="math">\hbox{span}\,\lbrace v \rbrace</div>where<div class="math">v \not= 0</div>/thread

>> No.1991492

>>1991485
>The definition of a point means its a closed ring. You can't have a logical interaction between 'a line' and 'a point'.
NOPE
A point isn't a closed ring. A point is a single location in space. A line is a length. It only has one dimension.

>> No.1991496

>>1991489

This was a troll thread.
I was trolling.
Was
Troll
Thread.

I'm so glad this became an intellectual discussion though.

>> No.1991495

>>1990868
the span of a single, linearly independent vector
\thread

>> No.1991508

can't we all (3 people?) just get along and agree that three dimensional women are the best women?

>> No.1991518

>>1991508

Are you talking about a 3 dimension representation of a woman.

Or an actual physical woman.
Because if it's the latter of the two then I'm sure Hippo will need a point of reference.

>> No.1991520

>>1991454
Ideas in your head exist. Unless your head doesn't exist.
How do you think if it doesn't exist?

Curious. I used to think the same way until I couldn't justify it. Yes, I did call myself a gay-fish.

>> No.1991528

>>1991520

Quantum;
Physically exist.
Things that you can observe and/or perceive.

>> No.1991539

>>1991520
because everything happening in my head is physicaly existing?

>> No.1991542

>>1991539

This

>> No.1991543

>>1991495
A span requires space which requires two points.

If there is no distance to travel there is no space. Span would indicate, again, that there is size.

>> No.1991551

>>1991543
But only in one direction, hence, one dimensionality.

>> No.1991548

>>1991528
You don't perceive your own thoughts?
Ideas are your own observations. They exist by your definition.

>> No.1991553

>>1991543

Hippo
You're either dumb - or a bad troll.

One dimensional objects do not, cannot, exist. Therefore, they do not have size.

>> No.1991572

>>1991543
no, it requires a VECTOR SPACE
shutup and lrn2linear algebra
/fucking thread

>> No.1991575

>>1991551
A point is a dimension by itself. A line is 2 dimensions since it is two points. Length and height are 3 dimensions.

Flat space is 3-d.

>> No.1991582

>>1991372
One.
http://www.galactanet.com/oneoff/theegg_mod.html

>> No.1991591

>>1991575
>A point is a dimension by itself.
NO IT'S NOT IT'S FUCKING 0 DIMENSIONS!
IT HAS NO SIZE IN ANY DIRECTION!

>A line is 2 dimensions since it is two points.
NO IT'S FUCKING NOT! IT'S FUCKING ONE DIMENSION!

>Length and height are 3 dimensions.
NO THEY'RE FUCKING NOT! LENGTH IS A DIMENSION! HEIGHT IS A DIMENSION! THAT MAKES TWO!

>Flat space is 3-d.
NO IT'S FUCKING NOT! IT ONLY HAS LENGTH AND HEIGHT! TWO DIMENSIONS!

>> No.1991592

>>1991495
"Dimension" is not used only in linear algebra.

>> No.1991601

>>1991572
"Vector space" is a property of a point.

You must be a troll.

>> No.1991606

>>1991601
...said the troll.

>> No.1991621

I'm pretty sure we're all trolls.

>> No.1991632

>>1991591
Uhm... pulling "something" from "nothing"(point) seems like what pro science people call "magic".

Do you support "magic", asshole?

>> No.1991634

>>1991592
right, all other definitions are derived or homeomorphic
stfu

>> No.1991652

>>1991632
Oh my fucking God, you are so stupid. Tracing a point as it moves through space in one direction creates a line. There's nothing "magic" about that.

>> No.1991651

>>1991601
you must fail @ math
even wikipedia says you fail (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimension))

>> No.1991695

>>1991652
Again, how do you trace that which has no size? Along the path it didn't make?
Could you demonstrate that for me please?

>> No.1991699

>>1991695
why would you need size to trace a location, moron/troll?

>> No.1991703

YOU CANT TRACE NOTHING
IF A LINE IS MADE OF INFINITY POINTS
ITS INFINITY NOTHING
NOTHING

Your fucking definitions are wrong sheep, change them or I'll end the game.

>> No.1991708

I apologise - but this was a troll thread.
This is a troll thread.
I have to remove this, you have 5 minutes to finish your discussion.

~OP

>> No.1991712

>>1991703
>>1991695
ALONG THE PATH MADE BY THE MOTHERFUCKING LOCATION YOU DENSE PIECE OF SHIT! A LINE DOESN'T HAVE VOLUME EITHER!