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First, watch this video:

http://www.ted.com/talks/graham_hawkes_flies_through_the_ocean.html

Basically this guy is radically changing submarine design. From bulbous and slow to sleek and fast, using wings to dive or ascend, rolling and looping through the sea like an aircraft.

Is this a better way to explore the sea? To jet alongside pods of whales? To follow dolphin migration, to chase collossal squid into the depths?

And are there military uses? Seems to be these would be quite difficult to hit using conventional torpedos. Especially if they were modified to allow supercavitating propulsion.

>> No.1915034

Nobody cares about the ocean. Physics sucks down there anyway.

>> No.1915046
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>>1915034
>>I don't care about the ocean.

Other people do, however. The world's largest undersea resort is presently under construction, the US currently operates an undersea science lab with plans for another, There's a private ocean floor base for divers called Sea Base 1 under construction near Belize, and the first civilian undersea colony is under construction by Dennis Chamberland, ex-NASA engineer funded by scuba company sponsorships and private donors. The first two capsules will be sunk in 2012.

Pic related.

>> No.1915049

how realistic was Michael Crichton's Sphere? Do we really have undersea habitats like that?

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>>1915049

>>Do we really have undersea habitats like that?

We've had hundreds. Most were dismantled for lack of funding after 1970 as the space program was expected to lead to bigger and better things. When it didn't, we started building new laboratories. No nation owns more than one however, and the one in the picture is ours.

More info: http://aquarius.uncw.edu/

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Another shot of Aquarius, and the special saturated diving suits used for maintinence dives. The pressurized helmet permits them to communicate with supervisors inside.

>> No.1915060
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Here's a shot of one of the coolest historical science outposts, Tektite II. While not the largest (that honor goes to Jacques Cousteau's Conshelf III) it has a pretty unusual design.

>> No.1915075

>>1915025
this idea seems pretty interesting, and I'd love to see stuff like it used more widespread

>> No.1915077

they are manned torpedos, not comparable to military submarines. good odds the military has something similar for exploration/intelligence. actually they probably just use brain-controlled dolphins.

>> No.1915079

>>1915060
>>1915058
>>1915055
so then how realistic was the undersea mining platform in The Abyss?

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One thing you'll notice about habitats constructed between1962-1990 is their cylindrical design. This is because the strongest materials available for this use at the time were steel and glass. Hence, lots of cylindrical enclosures and bubble windows.

The next wave of habitats like this one are funding mainly by private institutions rather than governments and while they retain the bubble windows (as they permit you to stick your head a ways out and look around with a better field of view) they mainly make use of flat walled structures. This is because material science has given us stronger, lighter substances to make them from. Some habitats now use hulls made from kevlar, ceramic composites, carbon fiber and titanum to name a few.

There's no longer any need to use geometrically strong shapes to hold out water pressure unless you want to go very, very deep in which case a habitat would require a more traditional spherical or cylindrical shape.

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>>1915079

>>so then how realistic was the undersea mining platform in The Abyss?

It's based on actual prototype platforms developed by Jacques Cousteau for the french oil industry in the sixties. (pictured)

Though his team demonstrated that it was easily possible to do the necessary labor and meet quota while living and working underwater, Jacque himself sabotaged the program. He had a change of heart during the course of filming his documentaries. He suddenly went from advocating colonization of the sea to strict ecological conservationism.

>> No.1915094

>>1915025
I would agree with calling Earth Ocean except for the hundreds of trillions of tons of solid and molten rock in its interior.

>> No.1915097

>>1915091
but so are there those things roving around on the sea floor today?

>> No.1915099
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Conshelf 3 was actually three separate structures. Two habitation modules, and a hangar for their minisub. Pictured is one of the two living sections.

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>>1915097

Roving? Robots, yes. If you mean habitats, they're stationary. The US has one government funded habitat and a few private ones like MarineLab and BayLab.

Pictured; the second module of Conshelf III.

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To date, no habitat has been built to withstand the pressure at the average depth of the abyssal plane (2.5 miles deep). Plenty of subs are built to handle it, and both the Trieste (no longer operational) and the Alvin (recently refurbished and operational) are able to venture 7 miles down, to the bottom of the Challenger Deep.

A habitat with a military submarine grade hull could be stationed in the midnight zone near a hydrothermal vent ecosystem. Having scientists on-site and able to experiment on the organisms that make up a hydrothermal vent ecosystem at the pressure to which they are accustomed would do for our understanding of extremophiles what Aquarius did for our understanding of reef species.

>> No.1915134

>>1915114
>live on bottom of ocean
>strange earthquake
>lights go out
>switch to backup batteries
>turn on external light
>red everywhere
>oh god we've been swallowed by a gigantic sea monster
>piss yourself crying

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> sleek and fast, using wings to dive or ascend, rolling and looping through the sea like an aircraft.

proceed

>> No.1915164

>>1915142

Fuuuuuck I LOVED that game. Was there ever a sequel?

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>>1915134
>oh god we've been swallowed by a gigantic sea monster

Pic related

>> No.1915195

Oh hey, now it's a videogame thread. Funny how that happens.

>> No.1915211

Why is it that /sci/, one of the most trolled boards, gets some of the best tripfags?

Like this guy, and Filenamefag, and when he's not being a huge furfag CCM.

Meanwhile on /v/ is just endless kawaii animoo avatar faggots who troll all day.

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In B4 somebody chooses the impossible.

>> No.1915242

Wow, we could have been building a non-crazy Rapture this whole time...

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>>1915242

>>Wow, we could have been building a non-crazy Rapture this whole time...

Relax, this guy's on it: http://www.underseacolony.com/

You can see his prototype here: >>1915046

The final capsules will be larger but each family will have roughly the interior volume of a Winnebago to themselves.

Pictured are the first two habitats under construction right now. They're modular so more can be added over time.

>> No.1915266

>>1915225

Somebody wasn't around for that hampture business I take it.

>> No.1915439

>>1915251
wow, this is awesome. best of luck to these people.

>> No.1915504

>>1915439
>>wow, this is awesome. best of luck to these people.

I'll send along the warm wishes. If this works out as planned it'll change a great deal about how people live, especially those on land set to be consumed by the rising tide as our poles melt.