/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.1911398]

Thoughts on which is best to get in upper education?
(in terms of money, availability of jobs, worth getting, difficulty)
we all know of the first picture
i put in my opinion
do you agree or disagree?
what would you put where?

[Anonymous No.1911407]

>>1911398
engineering is shit teir, everyone knows that
ITS CALLED FAGGOT TIER FOR A REASON!

[Anonymous No.1911413]

>>1911407
Why are engineers faggots?

[Anonymous No.1911414]

>>1911398
>Thinks engineering is GOD Tier

You sir, are the true Joker!

[Anonymous No.1911415]

where would neuroscience fit on these charts? medicine or life sciences?
what about nanorobotics? Are faggots really going to bring around the Singularity?

[Anonymous No.1911421]

If you get a degree for the money you're a giant faget.

[Anonymous No.1911423]

WTF? Engineering God Tier?
Law above Chemistry?

ARE YOU RETARDED SON?

[Anonymous No.1911427]

>>1911413
Because their work accomplishes something tangible.

[Anonymous No.1911428]

>>1911398
NO! JUST NO! GTFO FAGGOT!

[Anonymous No.1911432]

>"Business Studies" above Computer Science and Chemistry

[Anonymous No.1911436]

Engineering probably has the best chance of big money. respectable too

[Anonymous No.1911437]

>>1911413
DURRRRR...Because they like to participate in Gay Sex!

[Anonymous No.1911439]

Why does /sci/ haet biology so very much?

[Anonymous No.1911444]

>>1911439
>memorize textbooks
>receive phd

[Anonymous No.1911447]

>>1911436
>Thinks engineers make more money then Lawers or Medical Doctors

[Anonymous No.1911450]

>>1911444

agreed

[Anonymous No.1911454]

I'm thinking of going into engineering.

Good or bad move, /sci/?
Is there lots of openings for engineers in the job market?

[Anonymous No.1911455]

>>1911436
>Engineering
>>Respectable

LMAO, you know they cant even marry right?

[Tam !fbvqzuEjH2 No.1911456]

>>1911436
Mathematics has that covered with Wall Street jobs. Engineering comes close though, you just have to work your way up.

[Anonymous No.1911457]

>>1911447
more engineers than highly paid doctors

[Samefag No.1911458]

>>1911439
>>1911444
>>1911450
Wrong biology, faggots.
Descriptive biology = shit tier.
Manipulative biology = literally god tier.

[Anonymous No.1911460]

>>1911437
Seriously get the fuck out, engineers are faggots because they claim to be "men of science", yet sell out for the money. This whole "gay anal sex faggotry" is something I'd expect from /b/.

[Anonymous No.1911461]

>>1911458
Go biotechnology.

[Anonymous No.1911462]

whats the shittiest of all?

[Anonymous No.1911465]

>>1911454
Tons of engineering jobs in the US are being outsourced. In addition, 4 year US engineering programs are being phased out in favor of certifications. If you go into engineering now, you wont have a job, and your degree will mean shit.

But, you picked engineering in the first place, I guess you are used to failure, right?

[Anonymous No.1911468]

>>1911465
what about computer science

[Samefag No.1911469]

>>1911461
Truth. Classifying marine biology and animal psychology and genetic engineering, synthetic bio, biotech, etc, as the same field of science is simultaneously a disservice to hardcore biologists and an overexultation of people who got into science because animals are pretty.

[Anonymous No.1911470]

>>1911462
Engineering.....DURRR

[Anonymous No.1911471]

chemistry you need to be good get into the field

[Anonymous No.1911475]

THANKS OP!
ANOTHER ENGINEERING THREAD!
GAY PRIDE!

[Anonymous No.1911477]

just for the record, I am not engineer (OP)
i am physics

[Anonymous No.1911479]

[Anonymous No.1911480]

Psychology in low tier
mfw

[Anonymous No.1911482]

>>1911468
Computer Science is a bright field, if you have a have a post graduate degree.

The field of IT is being swarmed with computer science, most of whom can't program a VCR. See
http://www.stsc.hill.af.mil/CrossTalk/2008/01/0801DewarSchonberg.html

[Anonymous No.1911484]

>>1911477
Jesus Christ....My Gaydar says you're an engineer!

[Anonymous No.1911485]

>>1911482
So if i go into CS, i should atleast get a masters?

[Anonymous No.1911488]

>>1911477
>i am physics

!
Whoa

[Anonymous No.1911490]

Woot

[Anonymous No.1911491]

>>1911482
That should say computer science graduates, guess I should read them over first.

[Anonymous No.1911494]

engineering in dat ass

[Anonymous No.1911496]

>>1911484
based on what? i didnt know /sci/ thought all engineering was for gays. and all i ever hear at my university is engineering is #1
websites constantly label engineering as #1

[Anonymous No.1911500]

>>1911485
It would help, though it's not necessary.

[Anonymous No.1911506]

>>1911496
Yeah, super liberal gay websites with a hidden agenda. They are trying to push the issue, so engineers get the right to marry. Don't you know anything about politics?

[Anonymous No.1911507]

Okay, /sci/, instead of bitching about engineering, what are the better fields of science careers to go into?

So far we have computers and biotechnology.

[Anonymous No.1911510]

>>1911496
you must be new here

[Anonymous No.1911516]

>>1911507
Mathematics

[Samefag No.1911521]

>>1911516
>math
>scientific fields
>Science & Math
>distinct things
laughinggirls.jpg

[Anonymous No.1911524]

>>1911510

I come to /sci/ semioften but yeah I dont waste too much time here.

i only posted to see what /sci/ would say about my field with a unbiased point of view but clearly every fucker here keeps jizzing over engineering being gay

[Anonymous No.1911526]

>>1911507
Engineering is not science you fucking moron!

Engineering is to science, as fast food worker is is gourment chef! Engineering is more of a "trade" like a plumber or electrician. Why do you think they are phasing out undergrad engineering degrees? CAUSE YOU DONT NEED EXTENSIVE SCHOOLING FOR TRADES! Seriously just GTFO and take your FAIL with you!

[Anonymous No.1911531]

>>1911526
Made me lol.
You use science in an engineering job. Hence, science career.

[Anonymous No.1911532]

>>1911507
>Implying engineering is science

So how old are you, that you dont know the difference between science and engineering?
LMAO

[Anonymous No.1911536]

engineering is never higher than physics and math. Medicine is never above physics math and engineering

[Anonymous No.1911537]

Biology is respectable. It's actually more than just memorizing textbooks once you get beyond BIO 100. Unless you really suck at life and can't even pass that, like 10% of kids who take it at my school.

Whoever is calling engineers gay should just stop. It's immature and lame. We're smart people, and extraordinarily attracted to women.

Engineering is a good choice because there are always good paying jobs available. You'll have to work like an American, and that is to say harder than a lawyer, but at least you'll be doing something worthwhile rather than trolling 4chan.

[Anonymous No.1911543]

>>1911531
I make food everyday, hence I am a chef.

A cashier counts money everyday, so she is a mathematician.

You also fail at logic son!
GTFO!

[Anonymous No.1911544]

can someone make some of their own lists? im kinda curious. clearly my list is shit in parts, as expected

someone use arrows or something and make your own instead of spam "engineering is for gays"

[Anonymous No.1911552]

>>1911537
>Engineers
>smart people, and extraordinarily attracted to women

LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO
smart compared to what? a fast food worker?
You are a funny funny gay man

[Anonymous No.1911553]

>>1911537
Worst post on 4chan

[Anonymous No.1911554]

>>1911544

[Anonymous No.1911563]

>>1911537
It always cracks me up that engineers actually think they are smart....lol.

[Anonymous No.1911569]

To all you faggots, where Computer Engineer stands in? A future even brighter than CS? I think so.

I'll rule the peons of CS.

[Anonymous No.1911571]

>>1911554
about time
thankyou

imagine the picture at the top excluded engineering altogether
this thread might actually have some merit

[Anonymous No.1911575]

>>1911544
here you go

[Anonymous No.1911580]

Where does nuclear engineering stand?

[Anonymous No.1911582]

>>1911580
in a twinkie bar apparently

[Anonymous No.1911584]

>>1911580

According to the butthurt anon, faggot tier.

[Anonymous No.1911587]

>>1911580
Still shit tier

[Anonymous No.1911590]

>>1911569
Projected job growth for computer engineers - 4%
Projected job growth for computer scientists - 25%

[Anonymous No.1911591]

>>1911584
Then shall i go nuclear physicist? i still have a choice since im not even in college yet. Im definetly majoring in physics, or something related

[Samefag No.1911596]

>>1911580
That's physics.
Just like genetic engineering is biology. No penises allowed.

[Anonymous No.1911601]

>>1911569
Computer engineering is shit tier as well. A computer scientist knows alot more then you, and can outdo you at any job (except grunt work). Enjoy you life working for computer scientists, make sure to get there coffee orders right!

[Anonymous No.1911606]

>>1911591

The answer is simply,

Do you wish to pursue higher education after college? No? Go with engineering.
Yes? Go with hard science.

[Anonymous No.1911608]

>>1911591
unless you are really smart, dont bother
highschool kids are always all "im gunna be a nuclear physicist" or "im gunna be a computer programer" often when theyre only like 15

university is a whole new ball game

[Anonymous No.1911610]

>>1911590
In clearer terms, they will be bigger in 30 years? LOL

No really, a computer engineer can do anything a computer scientist can do, I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. I can do the same coding job as they do, get the same certs, it's just that I am more educated than them and know electricity and circuits. hurr.

[Anonymous No.1911617]

>>1911606
well i like challenges so i assume.. nuclear physicist.

[Anonymous No.1911620]

>>1911591
Just wait and clam the fuck down. You really dont even specialize in a particular "physic field" until grad school. You got a pretty long time!

[Anonymous No.1911625]

would accounting fall under both mathematics/business studies? Just curious

[Anonymous No.1911626]

What should I go for /sci/ pharmacology interests me, but biotech seems more exciting

[Anonymous No.1911627]

>>1911610
I was just showing the projected job growths for each one, jesus christ

You sound incredibly mad for no reason

[Anonymous No.1911629]

>>1911580
See, I'm a nuclear engineer, not a faggot, and am basically on the same tier as physicists (really, half the courses I have to take in school have dual designations as NE and physics courses). In that respect, engineering is just as much as a science, and engineers on a whole are smarter than scientists because not only do we understand and interpret theory, we utilize it to do something useful.

Also, Comp. Sci shouldn't be considered a science or an engineering because, really, it's neither. Also, it's being overrun by derka derks and Indians.

Speaking of Indians, the same thing goes for a lot of other basic engineerings (computer and electrical). In that respect, my job (as a nuclear engineer) will keep me God tier and in developed countries because more than 90% of jobs in the sector requires US citizenship and a high security clearance. My job will never become shittier or go out of style.

In short, fuck you all.

[Anonymous No.1911636]

>>1911591
Why would you base your decision off some random person's opinion on 4chan? Obviously you don't have a passion for it if that's where you're getting your plans for your future from.

You wouldn't do what you really want just because someone thinks it's bad?

[Anonymous No.1911637]

>>1911627
I'm not the idiot you're aguing with, but can you give me a source for the growth projection?

[Anonymous No.1911643]

wat about accounting lololol

[Anonymous No.1911648]

>>1911629
Where do you class Computer engineer? Anything better than Comp Science?

Help me out there anons, I want to do work related to computer, and I am not fucking retarded.

What is the most secure thing to do in this crazy world?

[Anonymous No.1911651]

>>1911643
0/10

[Anonymous No.1911652]

>>1911637
bls.gov

[Anonymous No.1911659]

>>1911610
>>1911610
>a computer engineer can do anything a computer scientist can do
>Thinks computer scientist dont know about electronics

LMAO....wow, you are a really funny guy
Sure bro, tell yourself whatever you need to make yourself feel better little guy. You obvioulsy need all the self esteem you can get.

[Anonymous No.1911662]

I'm a high school dropout who love science,

Should I just go to trade school and become a welder? I have no real education ;_;

Love it or not, going into >80k dept for school seems silly if I'm already destined to fail.

[Anonymous No.1911669]

I actually find Psychology quite respectable and interesting.
And it makes for a better Social Sciences requirement than History.

[Anonymous No.1911671]

>>1911648
I respect Computer Engineering a bit more than Comp. Sci., but that's not saying much. It just seems like every faggot and their mother wants to/is studying Comp. Sci. I like CE in the fact that it's a bit multi-discipline. You have to apply things from Electrical engineering as well as computer science. As such, it'd put it slightly higher than each of those disciplines respectively.

[Anonymous No.1911689]

>>1911659
>LMAO
What a fucking raging faggot you are.

On a side note, yeah they know about electronics. Just worse than a eng. while they also have lower education to get hired as well as worse skills.

[Anonymous No.1911692]

>>1911689
To be fair, it's the same for CompEs and their knowledge of computer science. They may know the same things a computer science major does, but not as much.

[Anonymous No.1911702]

>>1911692
That post was fucking incomprehensible.

[Anonymous No.1911703]

>>1911629
>nuclear engineer
>not a faggot
>same tier as physicists

WOW, just WOW man. You really think you u are on par with nuclear or particle physicist? Really? Really? You think you are in the same league as Steven Hawking? Or Albert Einstein? Or Feynman? cause you "know" so much with some shitty undergrad nuclear engineering degree? Really?

I hate to burst your bubble dude, but compared to nuclear/particle or theortical (most physicists actually) you are dumb as fuck. I doubt you could even understand the concepts they use...LMAO

[Anonymous No.1911707]

>>1911702
i understood it

[Anonymous No.1911712]

>>1911703

[Anonymous No.1911714]

cool troll thread OP

[Anonymous No.1911718]

I'm being a biased mother fucker on this one, but fuck all of that black and white bullshit. I have fields that I just love the balls off of, even if they get paid big poop.

For instance, Computer Science, Mathematics, Physics, Chemistry, Astronomy, and that shit is just cool. And my ultimate loves are Philosophy (har har), Political Science, Social Science, Psychology, and Economics.

Money is for pigs and starving people. Oh and medicine is stupid.

[Anonymous No.1911719]

>>1911398
>>How to make shit ton of money:
>>1) Become a dentist
>>2) take prereq science classes, get 3.4 cum gpa
>>3) apply for dent school, have fun there for 4 years
>>4) now that you're a certified dentist, pay off 200k debt, no biggie. overcharge your patients.
>>Filling: $700
>>Whitening: $400
>>5) be a dentist for 7 more years, make sure you play good with dental economics
>>6) make 1m a year like my dad does
^ my plan

[Anonymous No.1911721]

HAHA SERIOSULY MAN REALLY? REALLY? FUCKING REALLY MAN? HAHAHA

[Anonymous No.1911722]

This whole post is NOT about the highest within each tier within each field (example, physics is composed of theoretical/particle at the top and highschool teacher at the bottom)

its about each degree and its usefulness, respect, and difficulty.

not everyone within a field is top tier of that field

[Anonymous No.1911728]

>>1911719
mfw your dad wont be making as much in three years once obamas socialized health care bill goes by

[Anonymous No.1911738]

itt high schoolers fight to defend the honor of majors they plan to maybe one day pursue, possibly.

no serious academics think this way. and if you do say something as retarded as "engineers are faggots because they claim to be 'men of science', yet sell out for the money" and genuinely mean it, then i cringe to think of the caliber of individual i am talking to.

seriously, grow the fuck up. stop posting this stupid chart every day and waving your pricks at each other.

[Anonymous No.1911742]

>>1911722
Why is art in the 'shit tier' then? *everything else not listed)

That is difficult. Most people cannot draw or make anything good. And art is everywhere.

[Anonymous No.1911748]

Greatest Engineering Achievements of 20th century;

1. Electrification
2. Automobile
3. Airplane
4. Water Supply and Distribution
5. Electronics
6. Radio and Television
7. Agricultural Mechanization
8. Computers
9. Telephone
10. Air Conditioning
and Refrigeration

11. Highways
12. Spacecraft
13. Internet
14. Imaging
15. Household Appliances
16. Health Technologies
17. Petroleum and
Petrochemical Technologies
18. Laser and Fiber Optics
19. Nuclear Technologies
20. High-performance Materials

If you still think we're faggots, we'll just have all this stuff back.

[Anonymous No.1911750]

>>1911703
But, you see, comparing any given nuclear engineer to the best of the best of physicists is like comparing the Aryan race to the entirety of the niggers of Africa. It's unfair. Specialty in those fields of physics come after the undergraduate level. In short, you're right that an undergrad in NE won't understand that kind of theory, much in the same way that in undergrad in physics won't. On the otherhand, postgrad NEs can and DO utilize those theories. Do you seriously think a particle/nuclear physicist could design and build something like the LHC? Perhaps they could concoct the theory that the design is built on, but the actual design and building BASED on that theory is the job of NE. Let me put it this way: Sure, physicists realized that you needed to accelerate particles to 3.5 TeV to produce the desired collision to observe the building blocks of said particles. But there's no way in hell they realized how they could, let alone build a machine that could do it. Come back with a degree in anything other than trolling 4chan, and maybe then I'll believe you. But I can tell you, for sure, that you have no professional experience in either field.

[Anonymous No.1911752]

>>1911738
yeah, but I'm going to study physics next year (HS senior here) so technically I AM better than the people who want to be engineers

im not a dumbfuck americunt though luckly

[Anonymous No.1911754]

>>1911728
I actually forgot to take that into account, lol. It wont be that big of a deal tho. Can still make 300k-400k.

[Anonymous No.1911755]

>>1911742
O im sorry I didn't know that you could make money with art that wasn't shit.

[Anonymous No.1911756]

>>1911742
well art is truly useless.
anyone can do it, most can do it well, lots can do it great
i dont need some pompous fag telling me that a picture of a chair in black and white is brilliant. its not. anyone could have taken that picture and you dont deserve any money for being the one who took it

[Anonymous No.1911763]

>>1911752

>yeah, but I'm going to study physics next year (HS senior here) so technically I AM better than the people who want to be engineers

no, you're not, dipshit. you haven't even touched grown-up physics yet. seriously get the fuck off of /sci/, i'm so tired of this departmental shitstorming in every fucking thread. you're not contributing ANYTHING to this board with this bullshit.

[Anonymous No.1911765]

>>1911398
keep in mind, the scientists of the world gave you the science behind all that.
dont take all the credit. we might give you half. if youre lucky

[Anonymous No.1911767]

How much a computer engineer will make when out of school? after 10 years?

I need enough to I can buy all of my dad's landscape and rent houses, be rich like a motherfucker.

[Anonymous No.1911768]

>>1911756
Well, if you're a science person, you are probably not as critical with art. Most people cannot do it well. And I'm not referring to just gallery art. I mean like concept artists, movie artists, etc. who actually have a lot of technical skill.

[Anonymous No.1911769]

>>1911748
>Airplanes

Airplanes weren't really discovered by engineers or physicists, it was more so the result of some dude trying to come up with ideas to create troll physics pictures with, then by some kind of miracle, it actually worked.

[Anonymous No.1911771]

>>1911765
>>1911765
>>1911765
>>1911765

this was meant for
>>1911748
>>1911748
>>1911748

[Anonymous No.1911778]

>>1911756

>art is truly useless.

die.

if you've ever known anyone in a serious music/art or graphic design program, then you know it is fucking FURIOUS. you have to be a goddamn demon to get through that, and all for what is usually a modest salary. i respect the SHIT out of these people. they give their all for something that they love without any care for their long-term income prospects.

all the people on here saying "o durr engineers only care about money" should bow down to these fuckers. it's not like you can just go to grad school when you're an unemployed music major, you have to get out there and make shit happen, or you don't eat.

[Anonymous No.1911781]

>>1911765

The point is science and engineering work together. Without the engineering advancements, scientific advancements would be a lot slower, and vice versa. Neither is better than the other, and both are entirely necessary to the progress of society and humanity. Stop being pretentious cunts about it, engineering is just as important as pure science is.

[Anonymous No.1911785]

>Law, Business Studies, Econ, and IT all above astronomy, geology, life sciences, and archaeology
>pic related

[Anonymous No.1911794]

>>1911778
we will see how "FURIOUS" it is after you put one of them in a math or physics course.

and someone who doesnt plan for the future doesnt deserve to see it.
what if we didnt think about an impending attack or meteor strike?
we would be dead
id rather not be working when im 80 because i cant afford to retire

[Anonymous No.1911796]

>>1911778
You assume it's about the money. It's not. It's about contribution to our greater understanding of the world and universe around us. Artsy fags? They don't do a damn thing. Worse than the engineers.

[Anonymous No.1911799]

>>1911750
Fuck it, I'm going to go full out on the names of physicists you pulled out of your ass.

Sure, Einstein theorized relativity and mass-energy equivalence, but it was Fermi and Oppenheimer (both nuclear engineers in their own right) that realized the ramifications and utilization of the mass-energy equivalence. By the same comparison, Feynman can also be considered as much of an NE as a physicist.

Hawking, on the other hand, is the outlier. Discussion of cosmological phenomenon may, one day, become useful to NEs (particularly the application of nuclear properties of black holes), but until we can get to space and study these phenomenon hands on, it's more of a dream than a reality.

TL;DR recognition and utilization of theory > simple theory

[Anonymous No.1911800]

>>1911785
Lettuce be reality, geology, astronomy, and archaelogy are fucking worthless and you aren't going to get a job with any of them.

[Anonymous No.1911805]

>>1911785
welcome to the conversation
>>1911781
this is why I saw no harm in putting engineering up top. im pretty sure its gotta be worth something

[Anonymous No.1911807]

>>1911750
No, I could compare the best nuclear engineers to just about any particle/nuclear or theortical physicist, and the physicist would outperform the engineer 100% of the time.

Engineering is grunt work compared to physics, thats why engineers work for physicits....durrrrr.

Someone needs to do the manual labor and get the coffee. And dont ever try to talk me about CERN you fucking retard, I work there, and everyone knows the peaking order. Engineers being just above the janitors and below the bussiness administrators. Physicist being on top.

[Anonymous No.1911809]

>>1911800
that is why i put astronomy pretty far down.
the other two are a given

[Anonymous No.1911814]

>>1911800
>lettuce be reality

[Anonymous No.1911820]

>>1911807
>>I work there
LOL sure buddy. go apply somewhere else with your Wikidegree
though i like your praise for physics

[Anonymous No.1911827]

>>1911807
And dont ever try to talk me about CERN you fucking retard, I work there,

[Anonymous No.1911828]

>>1911799
Fermi and Oppenheimer were physicist your fucking retard. All you have done is said how good physics is. YOU PROVE NO FUCKING POINT AT ALL, AND FAIL AT LOGIC HORRIBLY. I guess I couldnt expect to much of an engineer though.

[Anonymous No.1911832]

>>1911778

ty good sir

[Anonymous No.1911843]

>>1911820
>>1911827
Its ok little guys, maybe one day you will gain some intellect

[Anonymous No.1911845]

>>1911800
>implying geologists don't get jobs
>is forgetting about oil companies who pay top dollar for geologists

Oh, and,

>implying money is what makes one field better than another
>lulwat

[Anonymous No.1911848]

look at me guys im a junior in high school, but there is a possibility i might be accepted to study physics at a low-mid tier university, so therefore im better than everyone lol! haha lol yeah physics im a physicist now guys, i work at CERN! woo!

[Anonymous No.1911865]

>>1911848

[Anonymous No.1911867]

>>1911398

thanks OP, saving this picture

now my job will be much easier

[Anonymous No.1911874]

>>1911845
>implying money is what makes one field better than another

No, actually, not only are those fields completely unemployable, they also contribute absolutely nothing to society either. Astronomy is a huge fucking waste of money with no benefits, i shouldnt even have to say anything about archaeology, and geology is the major that all the football players take at engineering schools. There's a reason why geology is called "Rocks for Jocks", it's the major the schools recommend the football players take, because it's the easiest.

[Anonymous No.1911882]

>>1911828
No shit, I know they were physicists, but in building the bomb/reactor they WERE the first NEs. Up until 1939, nuclear engineering didn't exist because we had yet to split the atom. L2context, faggot.

>>1911807
I don't think I need to explain how much of an idiot you made yourself look like, because it's already been done for me. To, give you a little breathing room though...pics or it didn't happen.

[Anonymous No.1911887]

>>1911796
They provide you with entertainment, but I guess you have a science centric view and think everything is about science, discovering things, technological advance, etc. There's different fields for a reason. It would be boring if everyone focused on that.

[Anonymous No.1911900]

>>1911887
yeah exploring the galaxy and travelling time would be really boring i totally agree, i would much rather sit in a room and stare at paintings and listen to hipster indie garbage than explore the galaxy and time travel

[Anonymous No.1911911]

>>1911874
Also implying that contribution to society is what make a field valuable. Should be contribution to human knowledge; after all, that's the entire point of science.

Also, as a grad student in geophysics I take offense to the phrase "Rocks for Jocks."

[Anonymous No.1911931]

Does pharmacy count as medicine?

[Anonymous No.1911932]

>>1911882
I have a couple lying around if you want to see those? Im not making any effort other then that though, so fuck off.

And if I do show you the pics will you actually believe me? Or will you just play some more bullshit? Are you gonna restort to some bullshit religious like reasoning, and refuse to believe anything that upsets you? Well?

[Anonymous No.1911929]

>>1911911
>911911

[Anonymous No.1911938]

>>1911931
no

[Anonymous No.1911941]

>>1911932
Jesus, and they hired you at CERN, huh?

[Anonymous No.1911950]

>>1911932
go ahead junior
say something smart

[Anonymous No.1911951]

>>1911931
Why wouldn't it

you do 4 years of extra school, then a residency, just like a doctor. Also durrrrr you work with MEDICINE

[Anonymous No.1911968]

Oh yeah? I dont work at CERN huh?

heres a picture i just took right now, faggot

[Anonymous No.1911974]

>>1911900
I said boring if the whole world was only into science and there was nothing else. Secondly, art is not all about 'hipsters' and paintings. Jeez..Look around outside. There's ads everywhere with art, video games, movies, comics, and so much more.


And unrelated, but those who are into math and science are not necessarily smarter. A lot of people with high IQs are not into that. I know of a woman apart of MENSA with a 148 and 168 on one test who says she hates chemistry, physics, math, but loves languages, history, art, and other similar things.

[Anonymous No.1911977]

>>1911941
>>1911941
Yep, anyway so should I even try? will the pictures be enough? Or you just a faggot? Also, what kinda stuff do you want to see?

[Anonymous No.1911990]

>>1911977
A picture of CERN Labs that I can't identify using TinEye.

[Anonymous No.1911991]

>>1911950
You want pictures or me to talk about physics?
Make up your mind.
Do you have any particular question regarding particle physics?

[Anonymous No.1911999]

>>1911796
If you think art is worthless you lack a understanding of the human mind.

[Anonymous No.1912001]

>>1911991
How about both Mr. 1911991

[Anonymous No.1912010]

>>1911990
I dont work at CERN? Oh yeah?

[Anonymous No.1912021]

music at the top. Timeless preservation of culture, while at the same time, always progressing.

[Anonymous No.1912022]

>>1911990
Ok, give me a minute, let me see what I got lying around

[Anonymous No.1912024]

What's you opinion of Loop Quantum Gravity, Mr.CERN?

[Anonymous No.1912026]

>>1911991
Ok, ask a question then.

[Anonymous No.1912033]

>>1911398
do i want to work at CERN>

[Anonymous No.1912039]

>>1911991
>>1911932
Lol, bro, I just got back home since the last post I made, i.e. >>1911882

Sure, go ahead, post the pictures you have. Ideally, you'd post a picture of your own CERN ID to prove you work there, or a picture of your degree. Both of which are probably pictures you don't have, because they don't exist.

[Anonymous No.1912043]

>>1912026
in before troll reveals his Wikidegree

[Anonymous No.1912045]

>>1911526
Historically, becoming an engineer meant you would be apprenticed under an engineer. Not go to school.

The only reason that changed is because around the beginning of the 20th century the system of apprenticeship could not meet the demand for engineerins and so many universities started offering academic programs in engineering.

The fact that engineering was now being taught en masse in a classroom environment created a strong pressure to emphasise those aspects of engineering it was easisest to teach, to test, and to write research papers on - that is, the formal theories of science.

[Anonymous No.1912060]

>>1912039
here is my degree u faggot

[Anonymous No.1912066]

>>1912060
immaturity revealed

[Anonymous No.1912076]

Lawl, law is for retards that can't do anything right so they need to domineer over others in order to have something done. Same goes for business studies. Those two belong in shit tier.

[CERN No.1912096]

>>1912039
>>1912039
Here is from the Last time I was in the CMS Control room.

[CERN No.1912106]

blacked out scan if CERN ID (CERN ID's are pretty shitty)

[Anonymous No.1912120]

Any opinions on biomedical as a major?

[Anonymous No.1912129]

Thread fixed for accuracy

[Anonymous No.1912131]

>>1912120
High/God-tier

Chemistry/Medicine is always fashionable and in-demand.

[CERN No.1912133]

More of the control room, you can see the CMS sign on the right

[Anonymous No.1912135]

MFW Physics is NOT at the top

[Samefag No.1912136]

>>1912096
>>1912106
It turns out real scientists actually do visit this board. I'm one of them, and maybe so is he. If everyone is anonymous, and you can't say who anyone is, how can anyone be so pretentious as to say who someone isn't?

[Anonymous No.1912146]

>>1912131
>Chemistry
>Always in demand

No,

[Anonymous No.1912147]

>>1912106
Credit where credit is due, but I still stick to my point. If it's any consolation, I figured that if I can't get into a program I want stateside for postgrad, I'm going to uproot and try and get into the nuclear physics program at the University of Edinburgh.

[Anonymous No.1912149]

>>1912120
Just... biomedical? Not even biomedical engineering, or anything? Just straight up biomedical? Is that even a major?

[Anonymous No.1912162]

>>1912149
Just in general. Hypothetically speaking, would /sci/ approve of biomedical engineering.

[Anonymous No.1912168]

If you get an economics degree at least you will know WHY you're unemployed..

[Anonymous No.1912170]

>>1912136
And there was a guy from Harvard on here too

[Anonymous No.1912172]

Ok guys, the ultimate dilemma.

Computer Science vs Computer Engineering.

Which one pay the most?
Which one has a brighter future?
Which one won't be a secretary?

You fucking tell me before I fail.

[Anonymous No.1912174]

>>1912170
oh yeah harvard oh boy harvard so hard to get into right seriously just go fucking kill yourself you little fucking faggot >>>/p/ is that way you fairy fucking faggot

[Samefag No.1912181]

>>1912170
Harvard sucks. MIT here.

[Anonymous No.1912182]

>>1912172
It was already discussed in this thread

Both make the same salary, but computer science is growing much faster in the US currently

[Anonymous No.1912187]

>>1912096
>>1912133
>>1912106

HATERS
[ ] - NOT TOLD
[X] -TOLD

You posting anymore pics CERN guy?

[Anonymous No.1912191]

>>1912174
Someone didn't get accepted to his top choice schoooool.

[Anonymous No.1912192]

>>1912182
But I'm a canadafag.
Salary would be around?

[Anonymous No.1912195]

For one who posts an average of probably 3 threads per year, this is the largest thread ive done

[Samefag No.1912201]

>>1912191
getting that vibe too.

[Anonymous No.1912218]

Biomedical Engineer Here,
Got out of college a year ago, making about 80K.
And my field is only going to get better.
Feels Good Man.
Pic Related, me in 20 years.

[Anonymous No.1912225]

>>1912218

lol I'm a BME (cell&tissue) and premed

is this a bad idea?

[Anonymous No.1912227]

>>1912218
How did you go about making this a reality?

I fucking hate engineering, but I do love it in it's context with medicine and chemistry.

[Anonymous No.1912231]

>>1912225
Stick with this shit, and you'll make a fuckton growing people organs and skin and stuff.

[Anonymous No.1912235]

>>1912218
And it took an artist to make that and you would not be able to express yourself fully without it, so screw you artist basher wherever you are.

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.1912236]

>Economics higher than Astronomy

[Anonymous No.1912244]

>>1911569
You have a half assed CS and EE degree, you're worthless and being outsourced faster than most fields.

[CERN No.1912245]

>>1912147
Well, good luck to you
If/When you finish your nuclear engineering studies, and relaize that you actually werent taught as much as you wanted to learn, dont say I DIDNT FUCKING WARN YOU!

I see this happen with engineers all the time, especially nuclear. Yall figure that an engineer will end up learning fundmental concepts and be well versed in some particular field (as much as a scientist), when the reality is that you only learn the bare minimum to do basic labor work.

But hey, be a stupid little kid and learn the hard way....I DONT GIVE A FUCK!

[Anonymous No.1912248]

>>1912227
Step One:) Find a college with a good biomed engineering program, for me it was Northwestern,
Here's a list of the best few.
http://education-portal.com/top_schools_for_biomedical_engineering.html
Step Two:) Go for a Master's, perhaps a PhD.
This field is only going to get to be bigger and more demanding, people will be looking for engineers who REALLY know their shit.
Step Three:) Find internships! At my school, i was able to find several summer internships, one of which led to my current job.
Step Four:) Acquire Job
Step Five:) ??????
Step Six:) PROFIT

[Anonymous No.1912251]

>>1912235
the picture wasnt needed to make the point
besides, someone who can do Biomed Engineering has the intelligence to do graphic design...3 times over

art is useless

[Anonymous No.1912252]

I am in my early 20's and interested in returning to school. I have never attended university before.
I am considering chemistry, engineering or geology (I don't even remember why I want geology)
Any advice guys? Any tips for someone trying to get in to such sciences after being absent from the educational system for four years? Or any recommendations for someone who wants to learn something applicable to reality, earn a lot of money and (preferably) not go insane with work.
I'm pretty smart but no Einstein. High school came easy to me, I just lost interest in it towards the end, now I regret it.
And I feel like the world doesn't need more History or Liberal Arts majors (I can study history and literature at my leisure)

[Anonymous No.1912259]

>>1912248
Seems I'm on pace then. Thank you kindly.

captcha: respect grounted
>fitting

[Anonymous No.1912264]

math and physics are fucking worthless without a master's/+ and we all know that everyone on here is a super genius with a phd. fucking licks

[Anonymous No.1912266]

So is biomedical engineering and nuclear engineering the only two acceptable forms of engineering?

[Anonymous No.1912270]

>>1912245
To be honest, at least compared to the people I know in Physics at my school, and from my own experience (I'm minoring in physics as well), there's not much difference. I'm almost certain that there isn't much differentiation UNTIL grad school.

[Anonymous No.1912272]

>>1912251
What does intelligence have to do with artistic talent? I bet you could not draw for shit. You don't have the eye for seeing detail and then replicating it.

[Anonymous No.1912278]

>>1912266
Biomed and Nuclear= So much cash in future
Petroleum= Cash Naow

[Anonymous No.1912283]

>>1912278
If I'm a quebecfag, is there a future for me? ;_;

[Anonymous No.1912285]

>>1912266
*are

Haha oh wow. Sorry.

[Anonymous No.1912300]

>>1912266
Yes.

And maybe add molecular engineering to that as well.

[Anonymous No.1912302]

>>1912272
>>I do arts cause science is too hard.
>>dont hate on arts!

[Samefag No.1912306]

>>1912272
Ph.D bio student here. You need to have the intelligence to describe something mentally before you can describe it on paper. Even painting a landscape, you need to be intelligent enough to fluently describe your own interpretation of that landscape.

[Anonymous No.1912311]

>>1912283
Go Biomed or Nuclear then.
I went Biomed, and i haven't looked back since.
Check my post here for how to make it happen
>>1912248

[Samefag No.1912312]

>>1912300
Genetic engineering

[Anonymous No.1912316]

>>1912302
Art will forever be important to the human condition as long as emotional connection continues to be a driving factor in the thought process.
Art is the only soul we have.

[Anonymous No.1912319]

nobody has mentioned geology. as far as practical career choices that can make you money, an undergrad degree in geology is THE SHIT

[Samefag No.1912327]

>>1912319
>undergraduate degree
laughinggirls,jpg
Man up, son.

[Anonymous No.1912331]

>>1912311
How hard is your job?
I don't mind stressing myself out but I don't want to spend fifteen years of my life balding and getting an ulcer for a little bit of extra spending money.
I know "if you're smart enough, it's easy" and blah blah blah, but honestly? Do you just do the usual look at shit and then write down shit stuff you do in school?

[Anonymous No.1912334]

>>1912327
Do you think you'd really need more than that for geology? Not saying it isn't important, it just seems very simple, at least academically. You find out what's what and then you go play in the dirt.

[Anonymous No.1912336]

>>1912327
op asked for practical advice. i'm an undergrad in geology about to graduate in december and i'm not that smart and im getting graduate school paid for for free. what about that is not fucking awesome? and, with a geo degree you got OPTIONZ

[Anonymous No.1912343]

>>1912319
Eh, look at the four that have just been mentioned.
Genetic Engineering- Map and edit the human Genome! Create a genetically superior master race of perfect humans! Salary- $80K
Molecular Engineering- Create Nanotechnology! Make trillions! Salary $90K
Biomedical Engineering- Meld man with machine to create post-human perfection! Salary- $100K
Nuclear Engineering- Free the world from the grasp of the oil industry! Salary-$100K
Geology- Rocks. Salary- $70K

[Anonymous No.1912351]

>>1912334
geology is sweet because you CAN work with an undergrad degree, but to do anything really cool you need a masters (for professional work) or a phd (research). basically, unless you're a fucking genius, phd's are dumb because there aren't enough jobs. in any field.

[Anonymous No.1912353]

>>1912343
>Quoted a university tri-fold in Fallout 3

[Anonymous No.1912354]

>>1912331
Yeah, pretty much.
In my department, which is looking into the possibility of synthetic organs, once you get the hang of what we do each day, it's easy as shit.

[Anonymous No.1912359]

>>1912343
OIL EXPLORATION
peak of your career - 300k go fuck yourself

[Anonymous No.1912362]

>>1912311
But the thing is, I already did 2 years of cegep, and practically just had passing grade because not a fuck was given. I started thinking about my future this year, but I don't know if it's too fucking late. I fucking love bio and everything related to medical world, but I wonder if I can restart entirely my cegep...?

[Samefag No.1912367]

>>1912336
>>implying most people don't get grad school for free
At MIT, you get into grad school, you're set. Tuition remission + 64k/yr stipend, just because.
Grad school isn't typically paid for. It's not a question of whether or not you can pay for grad school, it's a question of whether or not you can live on the pittance they give you to attend.

[Anonymous No.1912372]

OP, engineer is nothing more than applied science for industry. The only reason its respected is because they can work for industry and make a lot of money. It should be top tier and so should all the other applied sciences.

To be a competitive in the scientific industry and get the most funding you much actually constantly innovate your field, prove theorems, and research. You also need a Ph.D for most entry level science jobs which requires a long ass dissertation, writing a thesis, and often passing a comprehensive exam that covers nearly every single topic of your major.

Also engineering is only hard because the projects require a large time commitment. Scientists have to be naturally smart to make it, engineers don't they just have to put in the time. I know plenty of engineers that would never survive grad school and the dissertation.

Oh yeah I'm talking about real science not social sciences btw. Everyone knows social scientists have it a hundred times easier than real scientists.

[Anonymous No.1912376]

>>1912336

Protip: Most post-graduate schools (except for law, business, and medicine) are free

[Quantum Physics Guy No.1912377]

How much can I expect to make with a masters in QM

[Anonymous No.1912378]

>>1912362
Hmm... you could give it a shot, but in all seriousness i worked my ass off in college to get to where i got to.

[Anonymous No.1912386]

>>1912367
alright admittedly i don't really know what im talking about. all i know is that I go to a liberal arts school and i'm a geology major and i, along with my fellow geology majors, are the only ones i know of that have any chance at working professionally after college. or getting science-type grad school paid for. i have a ba and not a bs so i suppose my opinion doesnt count

[social scientist No.1912395]

>>1912372
fuck you, buddy. if you take social science seriously, it's hard. we're usually limited to being observationalists and our measurement is completely fucked up. but when we do learn something, it's fucking critical. increasing efficiency on a widget is trivial compared to learning how politicians rig elections without breaking the law.

[Samefag No.1912400]

>>1912386
My DEEPEST sympathies. I am sad for you, wanting to do science with only a BA from an arts school...regardless of what you actually know, most people will see that and not give a damn.
It sucks. A lot.

[Anonymous No.1912407]

>>1912378
Yeah I know but is it possible to retake classes? I am up to the task, I think I'll go to my local cegep tomorrow and ask. Sigh, I fucking hate my life, if only I would have listen to my parents.

[Anonymous No.1912420]

I was quite talented in physics and mathematics when I was younger. Finished with ridiculously good marks because of it.

Sold out and chose to do a law degree on scholarship. Finished now and earning good money which is getting better, but always feel sadness when thinking about the physics I could have been studying.

Read Feynman at home and feel even worse.

[Anonymous No.1912424]

>>1912407
Probably, although I'm not sure if Canada's college system differs from the U.S. version.

[Samefag No.1912441]

>>1912420
1. Go back to school. Get a bachelor's someplace in physics in your spare time, save up your money in the meantime.
2. Get into a grad school, which is free + a stipend that is nearly impossible to live on OH WAIT LOL you were in a rich job with a large savings account. Quit your lawyerly stuff to study what you want in grad school, live on savings. Get a new job after you're done with your degree.

It's your life. Go live it.

[Anonymous No.1912454]

>>1912424
We have something here called ''cote R'' which is pretty much a grading system.

I got a 16, didn't even knew it was possible to go this low. I even failed physical education once, I still cry myself to sleep. Fuck this shit brah, fuck it. But being on /sci/ made me realize how I fucking love sciences and not computers that much.

I'll start a new thing tomorrow, called actually giving a fuck!

[Anonymous No.1912463]

0/10. Apparently the study of life and it's interaction with the surrounding universe isn't even a class anymore

[Anonymous No.1912515]

>>1912441
Thanks man.

I think my mistake was that I finished school quite young (16 years old - i was a couple years ahead). All the universities waved a scholarship in my face due to my excellent marks. Like a typical indecisive teenager I thought "fuck maths&physics I've had enough", and picked double law/economics bachelor's degrees based on some vague notions of the lifestyle it would bring. It has brought that lifestyle - but I really love my maths/physics and wish I was doing something with that.

I'm actually saving up and at the beginning of next year I'm going to enrol part-time in a post-grad course. Still going to work full-time as a lawyer for the time being - I'll study at nights (when I can) and on the weekend.

Fuck it - I'm doing it.

[Samefag No.1912554]

>>1912515
Godspeed, my son!
There is redemption for you yet - Pure Science is out of reach of no worthy human. Reach out and take it, for yours is the mind that will discover the heavens!

[Anonymous No.1912559]

So, as a failed quebecfag, is pure science out of my reach
>>1912554

[Anonymous No.1912563]

>>1912515
I dawww'd

[Samefag No.1912577]

>>1912559
No, you're pretty much fucked.
Sorry.

[Anonymous No.1912592]

>>1912577
Because of my retarded past or because of the location?

[Anonymous No.1912637]

>>1912592
poor thing

[Anonymous No.1912639]

>>1912515
3/10 good try though, a retard wouldn't catch it

[Anonymous No.1912649]

Seekers of truth and masters of the universe tier:
-People who are doing a Master/Doctorate in any subject.
Future soldiers of science tier:
-People who are doing an honors UG or have a 3.7+ GPA in any field
Manchildren tier:
-People who have an UG GPA under 3.7 in any field.
Babies tier:
-People whose scientific knowledge is based on what they have watched from the "Cosmos"

[Anonymous No.1912705]

Music should be Top Tier

Music = Mathematics + Art

It is the ultimate marriage of human achievement and sophistication.

Anyone who says otherwise doesn't understand it.

And this is coming from a Comp Sci major.

[Anonymous No.1912706]

>>1912649
Manchild here.

[Anonymous No.1912712]

>>1912705

music is a massive part of my life. I love it but it requires you be creative. not smart
you dont need to know math and physics to know music

[Anonymous No.1912713]

>>1912649
Does Master of Engineering put me in the seeker of truth tier? No thesis required just a project.

[Anonymous No.1912732]

>>1912712
Music theory has great emphasis on mathematical concepts and patterns

While you can be an incredible musician and know nothing of music theory, music theory itself just goes to show how intricate it really is.

[Anonymous No.1912743]

>>1912713
I don't know why you would even care what some random anon thinks you should go on his tier list, but he clearly stated master/doctor in any subject so I don't know why you would think your degree didn't qualify

[Anonymous No.1912750]

>>1912732
>>1912732
Also goes to show how useless it is to know.

[Anonymous No.1912856]

Holy shit. Women's Studies and Political Science do not belong on the same tier.
A Poli Sci degree opens up a pretty wide range of respectable, legitimate careers. If you get your B.A. in a decent school, have good grades, and do well on the LSAT, you can even get accepted into law school, even if you weren't prelaw.
A degree in women's studies forces you into two career paths: spending a shit ton of money on grad school for an insignificant return from a teaching career (assuming any university wants to hire you), and/or being well published well enough on the single subject of complaining about hetero-normative society to feed yourself.

Poli Sci major, Spanish Language minor here, and yeah, I'm butthurt as hell. I'm not trying to say that Poli Sci is comparable to Mathematics or anything but just... goddamn, man. I at least have hope for a future.

[Anonymous No.1912876]

>>1912639
How come you think I'm a troll? Explain please.

[Anonymous No.1912959]

>>1912856
Law school would put you into the top tier
and I didnt make the picture seen
found it right here in /sci/

[Anonymous No.1913416]

>>1911800
Good luck finding new mineralizations without geology. Huge business, and will be bigger in the future

[Anonymous No.1914196]

God /sci/ is fucking terrible.

[Anonymous No.1914214]

[Anonymous No.1914240]

The truth is that you could take Engineering and Astronomy out of the top tier (because they clearly don't belong there) and then make just two tiers. Math, Physics, Chemistry and Medicine (but let's call it biochemistry) are the reasons that all the other fields exist. So they should be alone at the top. They are innovative fields- where new ideas come from. Engineering doesn't make new ideas- it puts the new ideas made by Physics and Math into practice. That is a noble endeavor, but it is not innovative and it is entirely dependent on other fields. Math, Physics, Chemistry, and Biochemistry have a symbiotic relationship with each other. All other fields exhibit varying degrees of parasitism. That is not to say that the lesser fields are not important, because they are. I'll use an analogy to explain:

Einstein's neighborhood had a garbage man. Without said garbageman, the neighborhood would have been filthy and an unhealthy place to be. So the garbageman's role in life is significant. Engineering, law, philosophy, etc are like the garbageman. They all do things that better humanity. But they don't relate space and time. The don't unleash the most awesome power the Universe has ever known. They don't do anything that hasn't already been done.

Thank you for you time.

[Anonymous No.1914280]

Most physicists are just slaves in a lab filling in charts and tables for peanuts

[Anonymous No.1914324]

[Anonymous No.1914391]

Im soon biology major. Does this mean I will get lots of sex?

[Anonymous No.1914412]

Tired of seeing these fallacious tables.

[Anonymous No.1914513]

What if you're educating yourself a Math/Physican Engineer

[not op No.1914530]

seriously why math is on top ? after that all you can be is beeing a math teacher which sucks I guess. So ?

[Anonymous No.1914550]

>>1914530
Fucking fags.

[not op No.1914582]

>>1914550
care to specify your statement a bit or you're just plain dumb : )

[Anonymous No.1915745]

>>1914513
>Physician engineer