/sci/ - Science & Math

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1866468]

/lit/ has a magazine. /3/ is making a game. What do we have? A vaporware pseudo-hard-sf game, and dreams of towering arcologies of steel and buckminsterfullerene.

So, I was thinking, why don't we (That's YOU!) make a setting? A universe? Like Orion's Arm or the Garden Universe, but it would be better because it would be /sci/-style.

After all, it doesn't require the organization to make a science journal or the dedication to make a game. No deadlines, just people contributing what they can when they can. No goals except indefinite extension and marching towards complexity and believability. Timelines, events, people, stories, art, encyclopedia entries.

At a basic level it would just be a wikia: After all the main part of the setting would probably be an Encylopedia Galactica kind of thing, which would contain the info on the setting, like the Encyclopaedias of the Garden Universe, OA, you know. But then you can have a blog for updates, it this takes off, of course: and a forum (Much simpler for most than a newsgroup).

We simply define a canon (Like, no FTL, no strong AI in this century) then work on it letting people contribute as long as it sticks to the plot and the canon. Also, we would need a catchy name. I'm not very good at that, but what about something like "The Voyages of Discovery", "The Rediscovery of Man" (Already taken, by a compilation, but whatever), "The Galactic Currents", or "Fullerene ships and steel men", et cetera.

So what do you think /sci/? It's far more plausible than all of our current projects, up to date, and a good setting with a solid fanbase would give us support if we ever go back to game making, or something. If this takes off in the next few days, it's just a matter of opening up a wikia and we're all set.

Pic related, I made this for you /sci/ :3

[Anonymous No.1866472]

No, because I am not a nerd.

[Anonymous No.1866480]

Hmm, yes please. It's not like we have anything else better to do. /b/ gets really pissy now a days.

[Anonymous No.1866485]

... Implying 95% of /sci/ has some scientific knowledge in order to contribute to this cause

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.1866490]

>>1866468
Fuck that we need to conquest Mars

[Anonymous No.1866502]

Dogscape

[Anonymous No.1866508]

Alright then, how about a game like "orbiter" that is very much vector trajectory based with the distance between stars? Goal? Get to the nearest star with current technology. Should be pretty easy to fix a fuel /weight ration bit in that. Just add another star orbiting in stars of the galaxy that which we have data.

Hard part to get started, A) Star information in the Milky Way Galaxy B) Ship creation physics.

If we battle these two programs out, then we might have something.

[Anonymous No.1866517]

>>1866485
>implying 95% of /3/ have any idea of how to create a game
that's not stopping them.

[Anonymous No.1866518]

http://www.belfryenterprises.com/redgalaxy/index.php/Main_Page

This is an example of a similar project, one that never took off. You can see the canon, the 'cyclopedia, all in the wikia, all that.

[Anonymous No.1866528]

i'm an ee and i have several open source hardware projects I have released, two of which are somewhat popular and one that you can fucking buy at dealextreme for half what I was selling it for t(*_*t)

but /sci/ is a bunch of armchair physicists/engineers and documentary trained underage b&fags and any time any interesting project gets brought up here it either drops off page 15 or gets bombed by a bunch of tards that have never built a damn thing their entire life. basically i have skills and am prepared to help out, but it would seem that /sci/ does not WANT to be helped in such matters.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1866545]

>>1866528

It's not like it's hard or anything, its just worldbuilding. Any games or projects that might be built on top are secondary.

[Anonymous No.1866558]

Well, it does sound more doable than that game from that deist scia.

[Anonymous No.1866572]

So, what would you do Col?

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1866587]

>>1866572

Me? I would probably make up timelines, and some of the plot, and be the general story-writing guy.

Sitting around the science campfire and bullshitting.

---

Does this sound like a good canon?

- Strong AI takes longer to develop than originally expected
- Nanotech is developed fairly on, nanofabs available my mid 21st century, massively owned by 2070
- No FTL
- Near-lightspeed travel is possible but often poses great threats to the crew due to the fast-moving Hydrogen atoms releasing radiation and eroding the spacecraft
- Exotic matter exists (Magnetic monopoles included)
- Negative energy cannot be manipulated due to physical laws
- Matrioshka brain polities often die soon due to overcrowding of the processors (Leading to massive burn outs) and due to the vulnerability of the entire construct, and also, they often stay on the same niche for so long they go extinct (Naturally or preyed upon) in only a few thousands of years. Computronium is vulnerable to gamma-ray and x-ray bursts, shielding prohibitive.
- Most of the galaxy has been colonized
- No humanoid sentients have been found

[Anonymous No.1866594]

>>1866587


>>- Exotic matter exists (Magnetic monopoles included)
>>- Negative energy cannot be manipulated

Does not compute.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1866601]

>>1866594

Okay, magnetic monopoles exist but negative energy cannot be manipulated. Sounds better?

Also:

- Tachyons and Superbradyons may exist but are impossible to use or simply don't exist

[Mature Related !K/L9IJgMJY No.1866607]

I think making a journal would be a good place to start. Amatuers seem to get ignored in modern science. But then again would anyone contribute or does /sci/ just read about science and leave the rest to others (excluding aqua-hamster guy).

I think a game or fictional universe is stupid, might as well become a christian then >_>

The most useful thing would be a series of how to make your own "scientific research device/tools of somekind" guide that teaches how to build and electron microscope(just an example calm down), or a centerfuge(sp). Building your own is often cheaper then buying and allows you to attempt something useful.

[Anonymous No.1866625]

Someone was here just a few days ago with the same idea, get /sci/ to make a game.
And hey, we do have feasible projects. There's that hampture guy, who is observing underwater hampsters to gain insights about how life underwater might be different, challenges and things like that.

[Anonymous No.1866628]

>>1866607

Hmm... actually, a scientific journal (or at least something that resembles something like a scientific journal) would be better than constructing a fictional world.

[Anonymous No.1866626]

>>1866607

>I think making a journal would be a good place to start. Amatuers seem to get ignored in modern science. But then again would anyone contribute or does /sci/ just read about science and leave the rest to others (excluding aqua-hamster guy).

Where would /sci/ publish a journal? Nobody would read science texts written by potential trolls, it could only be posted here.

>I think a game or fictional universe is stupid, might as well become a christian then >_>

Alan Kazlev did it, and now he's a whole celebrity in the Internet.

[Anonymous No.1866632]

>>1866625

>Someone was here just a few days ago with the same idea, get /sci/ to make a game.

>I was thinking, why don't we make a setting? A universe?
>After all, it doesn't require the organization to make a science journal or the dedication to make a game.

[Anonymous No.1866638]

Why bother? It sounds like a gigantic silly game of "let's make believe".

What the hell is the point?

[Scia No.1866639]

>>1866468
How about we buckle down and make this a full on Hard sci-fi game!
http://scigame.omgforum.net/forum.htm
For /sci/!

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1866646]

>>1866638

>What the hell is the point?

>A computer game and a role-playing game are being developed by the community, within the OA milieu. There is an ezine for Orion's Arm fiction, art, and commentary, called Voices: Future Tense[4], add-ons for the Celestia program to displaying Orion's Arm planets, spacecraft and other objects[5], and additional transhumanist flavored SF illustrations[6].
>The first published Orion's Arm book, a collection of five novellas set within the OA universe, called Against a Diamond Sky[7], was released in September 2009 by Outskirts Press[8].

These guys seem pretty happy.

[Mature Related !K/L9IJgMJY No.1866648]

>>1866628
>>1866626
Maybe we could have our own Ig Nobel prize?

[Anonymous No.1866650]

>>1866646

...so another group are doing a much better job than /sci/ ever could? Great!

I can see the point of a computer game, because you get an actual product at the end. But a setting? Who's going to be interested besides the people making it? Nobody.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1866651]

>>1866650

A lot of people read Orion's Arm because it's interesting, it's a huge pool of idea porn. And some 3D renders and stories thrown in.

[Scia No.1866654]

By the late 23Nd century man had colonized the entire solar system, but not all was as It should be. After the curing of aging in 2034
there were laws in place to limit Fertility of those who got the cure. But when the space frontier was opened, the laws were forgotten for those
who chose to inhabit space. After A while with multiple generations living under the same roof the colonies became overpopulated. So as a solution
for this problem a good percent of humanity boarded boarded massive generation ships(or so they would be called if aging had not been cured) to the
nearest stars. This was to bring down the population to an acceptable level. After words they enacted the reproduction laws again.


These colonists after years of traveling at 10% of light speed arrived at their intended destination. But due to the large distances in interstellar
space they could not communicate at this point. After many years a drive that operated much like the Alcubierre drive was invented this allowed interstellar
travel to take months and up to a year instead of decades. This allowed the colonies to be in contact with each other much like the countries of old when all
we had to travel in was a galleon. But by this point each colony had created its own technology and culture and had become civilizations of their own.


You start the game at a point where instant travel has been created by opening wormholes using dyson sphere. This causes a large shift in interstellar
politics and economics. Much like globalism during the 20Th century.

[Anonymous No.1866655]

This is an idea that I was pondering, but it has to be NO COLONEL COFFEE MUG ALLOWED or else there will be furries and it will be gay.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1866659]

>>1866655

With time somebody is bound to do it, but its not like I would make the setting centered around furries >_>

There would be cyborgs and uploads and genetically-engineered super-intelligent dolphins and anything you want, the furries would just be "there"

[Anonymous No.1866664]

Good luck finding anyone to code the boring parts for you, like the interface, the installer, and the AI.

I think the ratio of people who like to imagine they could make a computer game to people who actually can is somewhere around a million to one.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1866666]

>>1866664

For the last time, it's worldbuilding, not a game.

[Anonymous No.1866667]

>>1866607
>>1866628

I actually kind-of agree. Why settle for a half-assed Orion's Arm ripoff?

[Scia No.1866668]

>>1866659
if I ever make a sci-fi game

furry hunting will be legal by interstellar law

[Anonymous No.1866669]

>>1866664
I actually can but I *don't* have the time.

2 bad 4 u /sci/

[Anonymous No.1866678]

I agree /sci/ needs a project, and while this one does sound interesting I'm not sure it really fits /sci/ very well.

On a sort of related note, can anyone tell me if the object in this picture is plausible, or possible? I do NOT suggest that we make it because of the resources it would require and chance for failure, I'm just asking out of curiosity because it's something I've been imagining for awhile.

[Scia No.1866688]

>>1866678
We already have one

We just need to make it work
http://scigame.omgforum.net/forum.htm

[Anonymous No.1866693]

>>1866688

This board has some programmers, but none have the time or the dedication. All you have are a few amateur 3d guys and some people who studied C++ in college, and a badly written almost nonsensical plot (Only a microscopic fraction of Earth is colonized and future technologies could feed everyone, why put them on interstellar ships?)

That being said, you have Dyson spheres opening up wormholes which makes no sense. And you have a bunch of teenagers trying to code a full-blown game.

This is at least a bit more doable because it's just a fucking setting.

[Anonymous No.1866709]

>>1866688

>Making a complete game from scratch getting artists and programmers
or
>Collection of encyclopedia articles

Which one is more feasible considering this board's attention span?

[Scia No.1866714]

>>1866709
sadly the second one

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1866717]

>>1866714

Okay then, wouldn't it be easier to do our setting along with your game?

We provide the planets, star systems, spacecraft, and story, and you somehow get programmers?

[Scia No.1866719]

>>1866717
Seams okay

But no furries!

[Anonymous No.1866720]

>>1866678

Jesus christ that's retarded.

[Anonymous No.1866726]

Orion's Arm is already /sci/ style. There's really no surpassing that thing.

[Anonymous No.1866730]

>and dreams of towering arcologies of steel and buckminsterfullerene.

You got me with that one. Lets do this.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1866734]

>>1866726

>There's really no surpassing that thing.

Oh, that's what you say now. But they will see, all of them, they will bow to our collective awesomeness.

[Anonymous No.1866759]

>>1866734

You claim /sci/ can surpass Orion's Arm?

[Anonymous No.1866772]

>>1866759

If done right, yes.

Remove the LOL SINGULARITY which apparently /sci/ hates, make a few up and downs (For added awesomeness) instead of linnear progress, things like that.

[Anonymous No.1866798]

>>1866772

Fool. The Singularity will happen.

[Anonymous No.1866805]

>>1866798

Says who?

[Anonymous No.1866808]

>>1866805

Kurzweil.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1866838]

So, who is willing?

[Anonymous No.1866859]

Sounds like this is more up /lit/'s alley, to be frank. /sci/ is more analytical and would tear up every idea we came up with (not to mention we would come up with much less).

Plus, a game's universe should always be made to fit the game's gameplay, not the other way around.

[Anonymous No.1866892]

>>1866859
Well, that's how a commercial company would do it. But we don't necessarily have to do it that way.

I wonder what else can sci do, a journal of Improbable research already exists.... As well as the Ig Nobels.

[Anonymous No.1866893]

I say we go through with this -- /sci/ needs a project, and the game is not going to work and you all know it.

[Anonymous No.1866904]

>>1866893

/sci/ needs a project, this game isn't going to go through, and this fictional universe is going to be a much shittier ripoff of Orion's Arm.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1866916]

>>1866904

Probably, lol.

[Anonymous No.1866926]

>>1866904
>>1866916

I think it's at least worth trying.

I say open the wikia, then we contribute some shit and if it takes off (Unlike Scia's forum) then we can begin working on something solid. If it doesn't, delete.

[Anonymous No.1866942]

>What do we have? A vaporware pseudo-hard-sf game, and dreams of towering arcologies of steel and buckminsterfullerene.


you expect a finished game after 3 weeks?

[Anonymous No.1866948]

>>1866942

it's not going anywhere. they don't have programmers, only scia and some part time script kiddies.

[Anonymous No.1866962]

If you're going to make this, do you even know what the basic plot will be?

[Anonymous No.1866968]

Even then, most of us would rather work alone than collaborate with strangers...

[Anonymous No.1866971]

this video game shit is the most epic fucking trolling I've seen yet on /sci/

[Anonymous No.1866975]

>>1866948

well, why dont you show him how, since you must clearly be a world-class coder, or know exactly how to find said programmers, and motivate them to produce content?

then it would be going somewhere.


Sitting around bitching at people that something "is'nt doing anything" while not doing anything yourself? well. I think that's called hypocracy.

[Anonymous No.1866977]

>>1866968
I think we should use more tripcodes we can only start on a project if there are enough tripfags with suitable skills.

[Anonymous No.1866979]

>>1866975

I'm not complaining about it not working, I don't care, because of what he says:
>>1866971

It's trolling, in case you didn't notice.

[Anonymous No.1866986]

>>1866490
This

[Anonymous No.1866989]

>>1866979
and your conclusion is that it's "trolling" - why?

[Anonymous No.1866994]

>>1866989

It's from Scia. Is it not obvious? You can tell, or maybe I'm just being paranoid, by the posts he makes, that he is either stupidly childish or a troll.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1867057]

>>1866962

Well maybe:

>Nanotech Revolution
>yay transhumanism for the first decades
>future-shocked luddites respond
>world starts going to shit (socially)
>New Dark Ages on the horizon
>transhumanists grab their personal nanofabs and start building spacecraft, small groups of like-minded nerds and aerospace engineers and the Open Space Movement take care of this
>massive luddite riots end in the destruction of genetics and augmentation and abortion clinics
>viruses from those are released
>mass extinctions, population on Earth reduced to 10 million people
>transhumanists who left scatter around the system, to Mars and the asteroids and cisjovian space
>Von Neumann 'blight' forces the collapse of the barely-standing off-world colonies, massive emigration to uninfected places away from the grey goo
>Cometships are built and carry vitrificated humans to the nearest brown dwarfs
>Solar system is irradiated by the detonation of antimatter weapons, killing off a lot of life on Earth and disabling the Von Neumanns, which could not be done before due to risk to the humans inhabiting
>Colonies are formed in interstellar space
>At first it's all difficult, then the brown dwarfs start getting turned into stars (Magnetic monopoles or fusion reactors sent into the bottom, whatever)
>On Earth civilization is rising again after thousands of years
>Human colonies on the now-warm planets around brown dwarfs, launch ships to the nearby stars
>Rediscovery of the solar system
>Near-lightspeed exploration of the nearby stars
>Posthuman intelligence augmentation (Not AI, since its easier to make humans better than to make an AI from scratch and make it better)
>Posthumans begin plots to dominate the polities scattered through interstellar space

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1867060]

>>1867057

>Posthuman Adimirality established
>Ships sweep the remaining colonies with awesome weapons like antimatter bombs and relativistic bombs
>Humanity enters a period of stagnation, technological progress stops except in the Admirality's labs where its out of mass reach
>Thousands of years pass while the Admirality dismantles the colonized space (250 ly) into Dyson Spheres
>The now-uploaded posthumans live on the computronium Dysons while humans are forced to live on cold habitats on the outside, like neolithic peasants, worshipping their posthuman masters
>On Earth science is being brought back up
>Information Collapse on the Dysons
>Humans in the colonies realize their masters are gone, revolutions take place, people die, people are free, spacecraft are built and the colonies steered to the nearby stars to find out what happened
>Matrisohka nodes collapsed back into planets and spinning habitats while human ships explore the solar system where ancient cultures have been thriving since it was abandoned.

Some shit I came up with. Definitely has to be long-term, so progress will have up-and-downs and catastrophes.

[Anonymous No.1867088]

>>1867060

>Posthuman Adimirality
>Adimirality

icwatudidthere.jpg.png

[Anonymous No.1867104]

>>1867057

>New Dark Ages

Pic related, the Singularity will save us! </typicalsingularitarian>

[Anonymous No.1867123]

>>1867104

sauce of pic?

[Anonymous No.1867150]

>>1867123

dunno

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1867191]

So I guess you're not interested.

Well, call me once Scia's game is done. Pic related.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1867206]

So I guess you're not interested.

[None !!zwMICC2inoU No.1867248]

>>1867206

I still am though.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1867270]

>>1867248

Well, some flicker of hope then for the project. But in any case, it's probably not going to work like most of the shit /sci/ tries to do, but I tried to keep it as easy (What's easier than worldbuilding) as possible, easier than a game and a technocracy, to see if /sci/ would do it.

Maybe, with luck.

[Anonymous No.1867301]

>>1866666

>66666

OH SHI-

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1867320]

>>1867301

HOW DID I NOT NOTICE THIS

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1867429]

I think /sci/ has the potential to do great things but the utter failure of the technocracy and the game (Former because we all knew and latter because we all know) has made people here refuse to even try new projects. We didn't even make a sci-fi tabletop card game...

[Anonymous No.1867473]

>>1867429

>I think /sci/ has the potential to do great things

[Anonymous No.1867492]

>>1866468
we are making inventions

[Anonymous No.1867604]

Pic related.

If this is what /sci/ thinks the Singularity will be like, then do this shit because I want to know what /sci/ thinks the future will be like!

[Anonymous No.1867617]

>>1867604
It's like monkeys thinking that the greatest achievement ever would be an infinite banana dispenser.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1867647]

>>1867617

I lol'd.

[Anonymous No.1867715]

/sci/ could do a project of moderate size but there aren't any small projects /sci/ feels is worth doing.

A videogame could be doable if it were small-scale and 2D (or better yet text-based).

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1867724]

>>1867715

I made some text based games on Inform 7, nothing fancy.

[Anonymous No.1867734]

We should program a strong AI.
Or barring that, we could create a moderately enormous repository of general and random data files/associations any would be AI program could attempt to learn from.

[Anonymous No.1867751]

Considering what 4chan is and how it works it should be a project that:
Is easily acessible, that is, low to no expertise needed.
Is very modular, so as to allow people to work on their nieche of the project.
Allows for extension and novelty, anonymous may work for a common goal, but many would like to contribute their special flavour to the project. If we do a game, this is relatively easy in allowing all content in certain constraints. If we're building AI, it is allowable by using different association tables and such.

[Anonymous No.1867760]

>>1867751

Making a fictional setting meets all those.

[Anonymous No.1867762]

>>1867760
But it would suck and be a shittier version of Orion's Arm.

[Anonymous No.1867766]

>What do we have?

Reality.

[Anonymous No.1867768]

Make a game using a REALLY easy to use program, like RPG Maker or some shit.

[Anonymous No.1867770]

>>1867762

>But it would suck

Not necessarily.

>But it would suck and be a shittier version of Orion's Arm.

Orion's Arm is too much AI and too little human intelligence augmentation, too much Singularity and too little "whoops this horrible catastrophe has brought the whole of civilization back to the dark ages and almost killed us all, gotta start again".

Plus /sci/ hates the Singularity. This would probably be more like Dune.

[Anonymous No.1867797]

>>1867770

So instead of loltranshumanism we make the setting more shaky and full of wars and large scale ELE's just to stick it to the hopeful?

[Anonymous No.1867808]

Well, the Garden Universe and pretty much everything else is an Orion's Arm ripoff but they are awesome in their own merits. Plus Orion's Arm is such a clusterfuck of ideas, if you write ANY science-fiction someone will say "Oh it reminds me of that bit/planet/event/story from Orion's Arm"

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1867828]

>>1867808

This. They are equal to each other in many details but the storyline is different and both are awesome. Though Garden Universe is a bit too hopeful, I think. Orion's Arm is more accurate, and a lot more massive.

[Anonymous No.1867859]

I say that AI sounds a lot better than some ripoff of already existing projects.
Even if it turns out to be a semi-retarded chatbot it will be our semi-retarded chatbot.

It should have some human feedback system so it doesn't turn out to be full of shit and useless. A homepage which it asks for verification/correction/association for unverified concepts.

[Anonymous No.1867900]

>>1866490


FUCK ALL YOUR BULLSHIT We ABOUT TO TAKE OVER MARS.... BITCHES

[Anonymous No.1867908]

of course once i leave /3/ they start becoming interesting.
also bump

[Anonymous No.1867918]

>>1867859

A project for the whole of /sci/ to work on would have to be accessible and I don't think all of us know how to code a post-Singularity artificial intelligence.

I still vote for the fictional setting. It doesn't have to be an Orion's Arm ripoff if done right.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1867925]

>>1867918

I never said it would be an Orion's Arm ripoff, I just used OA and the Garden Universe as examples of similar projects.

While obviously we would use them for inspiration and ideas (This is /sci/ after all) the plot doesn't have to be the same and it doesn't have to have the same themes, i.e. the Singularity, Matrioshka brain AI's, et cetera.

[Anonymous No.1867928]

>>1867918
FUCK THAT WE TAKING OVER MARS.. IT WILL BE CALLED PLANET /SCI/

[Anonymous No.1867938]

/sci/ should start an independent space organization. If we're not happy with current space projects, then we will put a man in space

[Anonymous No.1867967]

>>1867918
A lot of AI work is dumb creation of data files and training it to not be retarded. Making lists and association tables of fruits and other objects and colour and such is hardly deep mental work. The actual core of the AI is obviously in the realm of those with programming expertise but it shouldn't be a particularly massive effort.

[Anonymous No.1867992]

>>1867938

We once did I think.

[Anonymous No.1868329]

Let's do this. So we will be remembered for something besides "that board"

[Anonymous No.1868574]

[Anonymous No.1868581]

>>1868574
Best civ game imo.

[Anonymous No.1868617]

All you have is an idea, a cool idea that people like, but unless you are willing to step forward will a large body of work already in place and invite others to JOIN YOUR EXISTING EFFORT, you're basically asking a bunch of faceless nameless textboxes to spend their "precious" time working towards a very non-concrete "something." You have no start place, no exemplar of the expected quality of work, no ground rules. People will be interested for 5 minutes, submit shit ideas, get ridiculed for their efforts, get in a hissy fit with some other anon, give up before completing something. You've basically invited a bunch of people into a dark room with blindfolds and the promise that if they step inside, they will get to be part of something cool, but you don't know if anyone else is in there yet, and are afraid it's all a trick or won't amount to anything, so everyone stays on the edge, perhaps totters on the brink, maybe a few step in, but the majority will continue to exist in their safe, predictable comfort zone.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1868624]

>>1868617

Hm, you're right.

brb master plans

[Anonymous No.1868637]

I'm always engaged in worldbuilding of my own, and while I'm too protective to share my own ideas until I've done something with them, I can at least help steer you people on the right track.

You can start by reading the greatest website for the amateur SciFi author of all time, Atomic Rockets:

http://www.projectrho.com/rocket/rocket3at.html

From that first page on common misconceptions, go here:

http://www.projectrho.com/rocket/rocket3t.html

After that, browse around and read at leisure. I mean it's not like people on 4chan have anything better to do with their time.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1868642]

>>1868637

I think I have read the whole of that website... Twice by now. Do you also obsessively check the Twitter feed to catch up with space news or am I the only one who does that?

[Anonymous No.1868671]

>>1868642
I check his blog update:

http://atomicrockets.posterous.com/

But he hasn't updated the main site for ages :(

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1868676]

Also, here is a sample of what I wrote, to see what you think. After all for worldbuilding somebody has to be the story guy and unless we can find someone better then fuck.

1/3

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1868680]

2/3

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1868685]

3/3

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1868692]

>>1868671

Yeah, his Realistic Designs page has a link to Project Daedalus which he never made.

[Boomer !!bcdVCSUmpgT No.1868709]

>>1866468
Hey, Cofeemug, I am currently playing Sword of the Stars. Drop by, listen to my awesome voice, and chat with me about your ideas.

www.livestream.com/ironboomere

[Anonymous No.1868732]

It should be the hardest of hard sci fi. Like what would the future is REALLY going to be like without all of the cheesy plot devices like warp drives and worm holes. Because that shit sure as hell isn't going to happen in the next 500 years.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1868744]

>>1868732

See:
>>1866587

>- No FTL

But I'm rethinking the monopoles thing. They may do a lot of useful stuff like allow us to build reinforced matter and then RINGWORLDS! and such but still, it seems, kinda too good.

But then again I don't want to assume we've discovered all fundamental particles and this is it.

>>1868709

I'm there.

[Boomer !!bcdVCSUmpgT No.1868746]

>>1868732
>without all of the cheesy plot devices like warp drives and worm holes. Because that shit sure as hell isn't going to happen in the next 500 years.

Which is why I set my universe in the years 3000-5000.

[Anonymous No.1868814]

>>1868746


Even in 3000 years in the future there probably won't be any FTL and I'm almost 100% certain there won't be any worm holes.

In that time we'll probably still be poking around in the solar system but nothing more.

In the highly improbable case of interstellar travel within the next 2000 years it will probably be done with a combination of super slow aging through genetic manipulation and the slowing of time due to traveling at high speed.

Any of that star trek stuff that you see is probably going to take exponentially longer to develop, like 50,000 or 100,000 years or more if ever.

[Anonymous No.1868820]

>>1868746
Either FTL is possible, or it is impossible. It's not impossible only to suddenly become possible in the distant future. Physics doesn't change, only our understanding of it.

Within 200 years, everything that will ever be discovered will have been discovered. Technology does not increase exponentially forever, it follows a logistic growth curve because there is only a finite amount of physical principles to be discovered.

Actually my money is on "within 100 years" because of A.I., but...

[Anonymous No.1868855]

>>1868820

wtf are you smoking?

We aren't even supposed to have FUSION until at least 50 years. And you are expecting us to travel faster than light within a hundred?.........try again

[Anonymous No.1868857]

>>1868685

>beast-headed

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1868867]

>>1868820

They told Max Planck not to go into physics because "there are just a few holes to fill"

That was in like 1890 or something.

[Anonymous No.1868916]

Add Furries, but human civilization is at war with those sick fucks and it's like Halo where we're glassing Furry worlds and shit. I would imagine them as a civilization of sexual deviants who do crazy immoral shit.

Purge the furry threat.

[Anonymous No.1868923]

I'm thinking the future will be less about space travel because its simply not as practical or necessary and more about genetic manipulation.

Current laws and societal taboos are holding us back more than technological barriers.

In 2000 years the average person will be so altered as to totally freak out someone from our time. Cybernetic implants or even nano will probably be old tech by then. It will probably all be done genetically.

[Anonymous No.1868942]

>>1868855
"Supposed"? Lol.

I'm not smoking anything, I am just aware that the only thing we need to do is build artificial superintelligences, and then within an extremely short space of time, everything that can be discovered will be discovered.

Raw computing power to make that possible will be here within 30 years (sooner if moore's law holds, but I'm not convinced that it will for that much longer). As always the trouble will be coding the software, and it's no small task. But Something that will take more than 100 years? Noooo.

Also, I think FTL travel is totally impossible, but if it IS possible, it won't be "hundreds of years away" let alone thousands.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1868949]

>>1868942

How exactly do you get the AI's on an upward curve of self-modification or get them to research tirelessly? They may have their own goals.

[Anonymous No.1868957]

>>1868916

In all seriousness this is probably closer to what the future will actually be like than most of the posts on here.


Nothing pisses people off more than messing around with gods work and you can bet your ass that people are going to be genetically altering themselves in ways that the traditional folk are going to find totally unacceptable.

[Anonymous No.1868965]

>>1868916

[doctah. !OPpaVhDESU No.1869001]

@OP's pic
MOAR LENSFLARE

[Anonymous No.1869009]

>>1868942


I truly believe that that in 2000 years things will be about as different as things were for us 2000 years ago.

Which is pretty much the same but different enough to totally freak us out.

[doctah. !OPpaVhDESU No.1869016]

>>1868916
I'll take 12.

[Anonymous No.1869050]

>>1868916
I wouldn't want a game based totally around that, but maybe on a isolated world there is a war going on between ultra conservatives and ultra liberals, ultra liberals allowing furries who fuck everything in there society.

[Anonymous No.1869056]

>>1868949
The first question you asked is the kind of thing you would need a thesis to adequately answer, since you'll no doubt just keep asking "why" whenever I give a short response that could not possibly encapsulate the full details.

The bare bones explanation is that they are created with the ability to recursively self-improve, perhaps through the use of evolutionary algorithms, perhaps not. Either way, all we need to do is reverse-engineer human intelligence, and once we can do that, it's a matter of plugging in more hardware so it can think harder, better, faster, stronger etc. It needs natural language understanding so as to understand the goals we give it, and intelligence such that it is as intelligent or more intelligent than a baseline human.

The second question is that "intelligence" does not imply "human". Humans have their own goals, but higher intelligence does not require human-like characteristics of these sorts. They have whatever goals we program them with.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1869073]

>>1869056

So you add more hardware into it and it can think faster. Great.

If they are much smarter than humans, and
>they are created with the ability to recursively self-improve, perhaps through the use of evolutionary algorithms
wouldn't they evolve out of the goals we program into them? Maybe.

[Anonymous No.1869120]

>>1869073
Since Seed A.I. is inherently black box in its operation, that is an intrinsic risk and an open problem.

Singularity Institute for Artificial Intelligence has more information for you:

http://singinst.org/ourresearch/publications/what-is-friendly-ai.html

Some kinds of Seed A.I. are more risky than others. Neural nets and evolutionary programming is far more risky than a system built from the ground up to be intelligent (which has low but non-zero risk) by actual humans with an understanding of intelligence, but they are also far easier and do not require us to fully understand how or why intelligence works the way it does.

[Anonymous No.1869132]

I wonder how this whole thing between the Christians the Muslims and the Jews is gonna shake out in 2000 years.

Will there be less religion or quite possibly MORE religion?

What happens when the radicals get fusion bombs? How do we detect them? How do they hide them?

Oil will be next to worthless in that time frame but the unincorporated land could be valuable. America (if it still exists) might deem it valuable, and if we wanted it we would probably try to take it.

The Muslim ruled European Union could and probably would object to their homeland being taken over by the Americans so you know shits gonna get real.

[Anonymous No.1869138]

>>1869132

>>fusion bombs

What is this bullshit.

[Anonymous No.1869145]

>>1869138
Yeah. Religious extremists have had access to fusion bombs since the 1950's. Fucking America.

[Anonymous No.1869158]

>/lit/ has a magazine. /3/ is making a game.
lies
If /sci/ were to do something cool though, I'd do it about chemistry for making drugs and explosives and stuff or physics for making gadgets and trajectories for rockets.
Basically like a big diy collaboration

[Anonymous No.1869169]

>>1869138


wtf kind of bombs are they going to have in 2000 years then?

Now that I think about it, it'll probably be something more along the lines of the bombs in GI Joe.

Because every preschooler is probably going to get vaccinated against most forms of bio terrorism if they are to poor to be born with the immunity built in.

[Anonymous No.1869171]

>>1869169

No, fusion bombs don't exist. The idea is fucking stupid.

[Anonymous No.1869172]

>>1869158
What's /lit/'s magazine?

[Anonymous No.1869177]

>>1869171

Whats stupid about a self sustaining explosion?

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1869178]

>>1869171

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teller%E2%80%93Ulam_design

Kinda fusion bombs.

>>1869172

ZWG

[Anonymous No.1869180]

>>1869177

Fusion needs very specific pressures and temperatures to have a self sustaining reaction.

Once the pressure changes the reaction will stop.

No runaway Chernobyl situations with fusion.

[Anonymous No.1869183]

>>1869138
Fusion bombs are real guys
They're called hydrogen bombs
Look it up

[Anonymous No.1869186]

>>1869183

0/10

[Anonymous No.1869193]

>>1869180


We're 50 years away from man made fusion.Which means that fusion technology will be over 2000 years old by then.


You don't think they will have that shit figured out?

[Anonymous No.1869197]

>>1869193

It pretty much IS figured out.

It's VERY safe.

[Anonymous No.1869199]

>>1869197

Well I say figured out.

The processes are mostly understood. It's just a case of providing the conditions here on Earth now.

[Anonymous No.1869208]

>>1869197

God I wish I could travel to the future right now just so I could come back and hand you a bomb that won't stop exploding.

[Anonymous No.1869209]

>>1869186
>The Teller–Ulam design is the nuclear weapon design concept used in most of the world's nuclear weapons.[1] Colloquially referred to as "the secret of the hydrogen bomb", because it employs hydrogen fusion to generate neutrons

[Anonymous No.1869210]

>>1869209

THE FUCKING EXPLOSION COMES FROM FISSION YOU HALF WIT.

YES ME MAD.

[Anonymous No.1869215]

>>1869208

There's one of those already.

It's in the sky.

[Anonymous No.1869219]

t/3/apot here. what game are you talking about? i haven't heard anything about a game.

[Anonymous No.1869224]

>>1869215

Yeah, I know but "sun bomb" sounds gay.

"fusion bomb" sounds way cooler. :()

[Anonymous No.1869225]

>>1869210
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon_design

Three kinds of nukes.

Fission bombs.
Fusion boosted fission bombs.
Two stage thermonuclear bombs.

The third kind use a very small fission bomb to trigger the fusion reaction, which generates the VAST majority of the explosive power.

Saying that thermonuclear weapons aren't "fusion bombs" is like saying that the first A-bombs developed weren't "fission bombs" because "like dude you use NORMAL EXPLOSIONS to set it off!"

What does not exist are "Pure Fusion" bombs, fusion bombs without the first stage fission bomb.

[Anonymous No.1869233]

>>1869225

You're wrong.

It's a fusion BOOSTED fission bomb. The energy release from fusion is relatively small but it helps start more FISSION reactions.

It's not a fusion bomb because the majority of the energy released comes from fission.

[Anonymous No.1869247]

>>1869233
>>1869225

You do know that both of your fission bombs are small time compared to my 2000 years more advanced SELF SUSTAINING nuclear weapons.

In the year 4151 it took them almost nine months to put out the bomb that went off in Berlin.

[Anonymous No.1869256]

lit has a magazine ?

no they dont ?

what the fuck, I havent heard of this !
someone link me or it's bullshit

[Anonymous No.1869265]

So can we all settle on the fact that in the future the current religious conflicts have grown to a scale so massive as to be almost unimaginable in our time?

And born from this conflict will be some fucking badass weapons?


Nothing pushes technology like war and the threat of war.

[Anonymous No.1869273]

>>1869233
Idiot, I already said that fusion boosted fission bombs are one of the types of bombs. Except that isn't how Teller-Ulam designs are operating, and said designs are the most common designs in operation by every single major nuclear power (USA, USSR, China, UK, France).

The majority of their explosive force DOES NOT come from fission. The most extreme case we have is the Tsar Bomba, in which the explosion was 97% fusion. Most don't come close to that, but all are "majority fusion".

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.1869299]

>this thread is still up
I am pleased.

[Anonymous No.1869365]

Genetic manipulation and transformation is commonplace outside of the Muslim European Union. Such a crime against Allah is punishable by death in the region, thus furthering the cultural divide between superpowers.

It has also created a huge immigration and refugee situation for the rest of the world.

Refugees can be blue skinned or green skinned or purple skinned or anywhere in between.

There has been a problem with refugees being genetically altered to explode or release toxic biological agents on time delay or near a designated target.

Dangerously altered genetic codes are being hidden deeper and deeper inside a persons cells. Sometimes without the carriers knowledge.

Over the air genetic updates and countermeasures are administered by the state on a regular basis.

Most of the worlds remaining armies are largely symbolic. Most of the wet work is done covertly by spies and infiltrators both human and mechanical.

The amount of time and money spent by the worlds ruling corporations to stay technologically one step ahead of the opposition is so large as to be almost irrelevant, like trying to measure the air in the sky or water in the ocean.

Some corporations are run by humans that have been mentally enhanced to an exceedingly high degree. Some corporations are run by ultra sophisticated thinking AI's.

A given corporation will be run by whichever human or AI is deemed to be the most advanced and efficient at the time.

[Anonymous No.1869474]

90% of the Korean population lives in a VR simulation.

Most of the Korean populace is born with the ability to automatically access the global VR datanet by thought alone.


Several hundred thousand people live on the moon at any given time. With a similar number living on Mars.

Interstellar travel by humans deemed impractical an is largely seen as a death sentence for anyone who would attempt it.


Ultra sophisticated thinking AI probes send a constant stream of information back to Earth from nearby star systems and their orbiting planets.

[Anonymous No.1869477]

the darker the flesh then the deeper the wounds. yeah I said it.

[Anonymous No.1869586]

There is an underground and highly illegal phenomena of people genetically infusing themselves with worm like genetic memory, then eating specially made food with tailor made memory experiences.

The adverse side effects can be considerable with the potential of the user to not knowing the difference between artificially created memories and experiences that are real.

[Anonymous No.1869605]

>>1869365
>>1869474
>>1869586

[Anonymous No.1869633]

>>1869605


Earth: 4151 A.D.

[Anonymous No.1869645]

>>1869633
Oh. Google didn't return anything useful.

[Anonymous No.1870519]

fusion bump

[Anonymous No.1870557]

bump

[Anonymous No.1870578]

>>1868676
>>1868680
>>1868685

>beast-headed woman

Fucking Colonel.

Every single fucking time.

[Anonymous No.1870623]

No. I like science, not science-fiction.

[Anonymous No.1870656]

>>1870623

I think the trick is to write things that are scientifically plausible aka "hard sci fi".

Not fantasy bullshit like transporters and warp drives.

Use your scientific knowledge to try and theorize what would and could actually happen.

[Anonymous No.1870735]

>>1870656

This.

Hard sf is the only real sf.

[Anonymous No.1870757]

in the year 4151:

we...WILL... have FTL communication through quantum teleportation, just not FTL space travel.


There will NOT be humanoid aliens roaming around.


Even without those things in the year 4151 things will be even weirder than you can imagine.

[Anonymous No.1870775]

You guys are thinking small time.

Let's put some flavor in it. Instead of 2000 or 3000 years in the future, let's jump ahead 5 million years in the future.

The habitats humans have left behind have begun evolving; the thousands of worlds with life are now running rampant. One even develops intelligence. They go in search of their human originators. Take it from there.

[Anonymous No.1870802]

>>1870775


0757 here, in 5 million years we will either have FTL travel or it won't even matter because we will be immortal.

there will be humanoid aliens running around because the aliens will be us.

That far into the future the sci part of the fi loops back into fantasy because almost anything is possible at that point. I personally don't read that kind of stuff but I like movies and games like that.

But to each his own.

[Boomer !!bcdVCSUmpgT No.1870808]

>>1870757
>FTL communication through quantum teleportation

If you knew what quantum teleportation was, you'd know this was a silly statement.

[Anonymous No.1870809]

>>1870802
No, imagine humans were wiped out by some cataclysmic event. Technology has to be rediscovered and such. I'm fuzzy on the details. I only supply the initial idea.

[Anonymous No.1870818]

>>1870808


I do know what it is and its gonna happen faggot. Get out of the stone age.

[Anonymous No.1870819]

You have troll physics OP.

[Boomer !!bcdVCSUmpgT No.1870835]

>>1870818
I am out of the stone age, on the internet, and oh look there is a million pages on what quantum teleportation is and how it really works. Sensationalist media thinks it is actual teleportation, while everyone else knows it's a statistical analysis of quantum phenomenon and no actual teleportation takes place.

Good luck using FTL communication with a slower tahn light phenomenon that cannot exist outside of it's set up conditions in the lab.

[Anonymous No.1870842]

>>1870835
>>implying entangled atoms can't be separated in robust physical containers
>>implying determination doesn't occur in zero planck time

yeah, you have to move around with slower than light travel and a fixed number of qubits, but comms are instantaneous.

[Anonymous No.1870858]

>>1870842

yess, finally some sense.


Thank you

[blue bubblewrap elephant !3ap/UDSPM. No.1870861]

i want to do the biology shit (if it will even be considered)
but then again, maybe i should be just studying instead.

[Anonymous No.1870865]

>>1870656
This. Hard scifi is where the awsome is at, no fantasy elements, no magic, just awsome technology.

Maybe we could create a repository of speculative engineering and technology and build everything from it. Meaning that you can't just drop "Fusion powered spaceships" into the universe without having a Fusion engine design, fusion fuel, refinery source for fusion fuel and actual rocketry equations governing the range and acceleration parameters for the vessel.

It's not really as hard as it appears as a lot of people in the field of physics have a hobby of inventing such concepts, we just need to find and gather them all.

[Boomer !!bcdVCSUmpgT No.1870875]

>>1870842
>yeah, you have to move around with slower than light travel and a fixed number of qubits, but comms are instantaneous.

I read that sci-fi story too. It was pretty good. We still haven't found a phenomena in reality to let us reproduce that effect.

It's one thing to say "maybe in the future this one fantastic thing will be possible since science has yet to say it is impossible". But don't let your pet sci-fi novel warp your perspective of reality. I can accept that nothing has been observed to make my favorite type of FTL work, and it's a simple matter of nothing having been observed to say it won't. To try and say that we will have quantum FTL comms, despite all quantum phenomena requiring all components in direct contact to even work, is silly. At present, not only has a quantum effect never linked two rooms, quantum effects have never even left the containers on the desks on which they sit.

[Boomer !!bcdVCSUmpgT No.1870888]

>>1870858
He quoted a sci-fi novel that had sense in it. The earlier post I was arguing against tried to say we WILL have that technology, when really we have no idea yet.

[Anonymous No.1870889]

>comms are instantaneous.
Please no. Light speed limited communications add a magnificient level of depth to any storyline. Galactic insta-internet is just bleh.

I could compromise with a hyperlight information channel capable of communication at a modifier of C, but only if it's really fucking huge and resource expensive.

If you can use a cellphone to call another galaxy in realtime, then shit is fucked up.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1870912]

Faster-than-light removes the sense of size. When you can zip around the galaxy in no time you forget how big it all is.

People traveling for millennia-objective in only a few years-subjective, tied to relativistic rockets and watching the stars redshift and blueshift, now that's epic. It tells the reader how big the whole thing is, in space and time.

Most science fiction is just concerned about jumping from one world to the next with magical faster-than-light spacecraft they use as if they were planes.

[Anonymous No.1870935]

It could be an entire 5 million year timeline.

I personally am interested in advancements from the next couple of thousand years.

There was a guy earlier that was throwing around a figure of 5 million years in the future. He could concentrate on that.

Linear continuity of events would be the biggest headache though.


We could call it the "/sci/verse"

[Anonymous No.1870939]

There are some wildcards to consider.

A cellphone today is better than a desktop computer of 10 years ago, and better than a supercomputer of 20 years ago, if this trend keeps up, or is sped up, then some things could happen.

Consider that a supercomputer of the year 2030 could simulate a human mind, that is, it could host an AI. If the trend doesn't change, then a cellphone 2050 could host an AI/human mind. Subsequent miniaturization would make it even smaller.

This would translate to "manned" space expeditions done with something the size of a fridge, possible even a soda bottle, it might even be possible to reduce to a matchstick or even a size not visible to the human eye, such probes could be made in the trillions, and could be launched with mass accelerators from the native solar system. They could employ a square kilometer sail of graphene or similar to use solar wind to break, and being G-hardned they could lithobreak into planetary bodies at the target destinations, with single molecule manipulators they would take a century or so to achive any significant size and capability at the target destination, but it is possible.

Of course we could just assume that technological progress will slow down after a few years, but what would the reason be for that?

[Inurdaes !V1sPhobos. No.1870948]

>>1870939
>Of course we could just assume that technological progress will slow down after a few years, but what would the reason be for that?
Sexbots.

[Anonymous No.1870956]

An entire 5 million year timeline of pure hard sci.

Seriously, just imagine when shit happens in the future and then somebody pulls up an archive and sees that it was predicted here first.

Centuries from now some scientist gets trolled hard.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1870969]

>>1870939

Well, there has to be a Singularity, but I don't want to hype it into lolAItakesover.

I say it could be something like this:
>>1868685
>>1868680
>>1868676

There's a Singularity but terminally future-shocked luddites respond. Also, has anybody read House of Suns? That's kinda the idea I have, a far-future setting where there's everything. The entire universe has not been dyson sphered, no, but there Dyson spheres, Ringworlds, normal worlds, Dyson trees... Not all species use the "Maximum Efficiency Paradigm" if you want to call it that way, not all try to Dyson Sphere their worlds into computronium to play games for all eternity.

Call me a sentimentalist but I prefer diverse settings over DYSON SPHERE THE UNIVERSE!

[Anonymous No.1871001]

>>1870969
> DYSON SPHERE
Is shit. You'll need too much materials to build them and they are also relatively unstable.

Most likely no one will ever bother to build dyson sphere's as you can easily build something in a normal orbital path with a cross-section similar to jupiter that extract the solar wind to give you something along the line of one thousand trillion times the current world energy need, it's a really ridiculous amount yes, which should be sufficient for powering almost anything, especially considering that efficiency is supposed to increase as technology becomes more mature.

Diversity will always exist, as long as intelligence is on the rise and creativity exists people will try new things just because they can.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1871006]

>>1871001

This. Lets make a beautiful future, not an Accelerando rapture-of-the-nerds kind of Singularity.

Not that Accelerando was a bad book, but goddamn.

[Anonymous No.1871015]

>>1871006
This:
http://nextbigfuture.com/2010/09/solar-wind-power-swp-satellites-could.html
Is the energy harvester concept i refer to. Also, great site for technology news.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1871021]

>>1871015

>Dyson statite proton-wind power generator

[Anonymous No.1871048]

What singularity are we even talking about?

Eclipse Phase singularity would end humanity with forced uploading everywhere.

Orion's Arm singularity is just another layer on top of us, with some uploading.

Accelerando singularity seems to be uploading everywhere, but not compulsory? I haven't read.

Blindsight singularity is depressing, computerised wanking.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1871061]

>>1871048

Well, I guess a Singularity merely of accelerating change, with AI taking longer to develop, and posthuman AI even longer due to difficulties. We say AI was future-hyped beyond belief, and it takes centuries to make a true posthuman. And by the time posthuman-level AI's are made, there are augmented humans that are basically posthumans, or Mentats, so AI is just for people who want to plug their assistant instead of feeding it, but of course tastes vary and both coexist.

The other day I talked to Boomer, and I remember him talking about how Asimov, who had spent 50 years working on making his science-fiction novels come true (Except hyperspace lol) said "Sapient AI? No, not gonna happen". Plus there's the guy who said "One year in AI research will make you believe in God".

tl;dr: Lets not dispose humans too soon.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1871108]

How about this for a Singularity that then goes back down? The "up and downs" in progress prevent us from dealing with something that is, by definition, beyond our comprehension.

[Anonymous No.1871174]

>>1871108

It's ok, but we still need a title.

What did you say The Rediscovery of Man was?

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1871221]

>>1871174

A compilation of everything written by Cordwainer Smith.

FUCK YEAH CORDWAINER SMITH

[Anonymous No.1871242]

Somebody suggest good free public storage for the main editable archive. I would also suggest that we use other public backup servers anywhere and everywhere we can find for long term surviability.

It shouldn't be a problem since its all original content and there's no porn involved.

[Anonymous No.1871501]

I would suggest that the basic science behind every technological and scientific prediction be utterly and completely sound, but the SOCIAL predictions include some of the most subtle and world class trolling the world has ever seen.

Otherwise whats the point? It would just be some more gay shit and shouldn't belong on 4chan.

[Anonymous No.1871542]

>>1871501

>but the SOCIAL predictions include some of the most subtle and world class trolling the world has ever seen.

I thought that was the idea.

[Anonymous No.1871556]

>>1871542
Then then its settled and there you have it.

The true and and forevermore unsaid mission statement of the /sci/verse or whatever its going to be called.

[Anonymous No.1872201]

>>1871556

So, you're going to do this? Well, better than that game.

[Anonymous No.1872261]

As a physics student i would love to work on this kind of project, but I doubt it'll take off after reading this thread.
Don't get me wrong, I am extremely interested in this as I have an art/writing background also, next to science.
Is there an IRC channel to join so that we could organize this a bit more? I am serious about this.

[Anonymous No.1872274]

>>1872261

Well, I'm about to go get my food but when I come back, will you be around? I could open one on undernet or something.

[Anonymous No.1872288]

>>1872274

I will be around for another 20-30 minutes.

[Anonymous No.1872363]

Channel is #sciverse

On irc.undernet.org

If anyone has problems accessing the server switch over to the same channel on dalnet.

[Anonymous No.1872460]

bump for /sci/verse channel

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1872546]

Time to pick a name:
<zepher> The Sea of Stars
<Chimaera> The First Expeditions
<Chimaera> The Starships of Man
<Chimaera> Crossroads of the Universe
<Chimaera> "The Starship and the Trees/Forest"
<Chimaera> The Longest Journey
<Chimaera> The Rediscovery of Mankind
<Chimaera> those two sound good
<Chimaera> The Starship and the Canoe is taken, though
<Chimaera> I'm sure Dyson won't mind!
<Chimaera> "Voyages of Dawn", "Voyages of Discovery/Exploration"
<Chimaera> "Memories of Earth"
<Chimaera> nah too cliche

[Anonymous No.1872568]

#[e-mail]

Everbody join

[None !uNHi/DDd5. No.1872595]

Get your arses on /sci/'s irc channel.

[Anonymous No.1872715]

get in the channel you nuts

[Anonymous No.1872739]

>>1872568
>>1872568
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[Anonymous No.1872767]

After the canon shit is done we're making a wiki, apparently.

[Anonymous No.1872800]

>>1872546

Which name did you pick?

[michael.the.christian.scientist !rNno3pgdzI No.1872825]

>>1872595
Ok.
We start with a universe like ours, and begin on a simillar looking planet. Put some humans and animals on the planet and let them live for a while. Eventually within around a year they understand everything there is to know about the planet, how it decays and how it repairs. Now drop a few greedy individuals on the planet; they come up with this idea, "escape the planet and make it decay for everyone else," -- fast forward a few thousand years and they start building rockets -- secretly they place around 75,000 people on the moon with the rockets they produce, whilst making everyone on the planet dumb through mysticism....

ill let you guys do the rest.

[Anonymous No.1872863]

>>1872825
0/10
>>1872568
everyone get on

[Anonymous No.1872885]

bump again

[Anonymous No.1872927]

Guys for the love of Christ.

Just start a wikia and post a canon.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1873128]

What do you think of this as a logo?

[Anonymous No.1873153]

>>1873128
i like the main pic, but those two other ones look sloppy and are annoying. remove those, and it'll be fine

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1873172]

>>1873153

here.

[Anonymous No.1873179]

>>1873172
perfect

[Anonymous No.1873214]

mfw reading this thread

[Anonymous No.1873239]

We need some near future canon. Something that can be verified in our lifetime in order to better calibrate future predictions.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1873259]

A forum has been set up for discussion:
http://sciverse.forumotion.net/index.htm

[Scia No.1873286]

This project is doomed to failure.

just head on over to the real /sci/ project and contribute if you want to be a part of something great

http://scigame.omgforum.net/forum.htm

barely a week of work and already hundreds of posts and real progress

just give this up

[Anonymous No.1873302]

>>1873286
>>1873259
>same favicon

IT'S A CONSPIRACY

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1873304]

>>1873286

>barely a week of work and already hundreds of posts and real progress

Yeah, come back when you have written your first line of code. Actually, come back once you have a plot that makes sense.

Or, simply, come back after you have an FTL drive that isn't a string of sciency words put together. "Dyson spheres open wormholes, help I don't know what negative energy densities are".

>just give this up

Do I smell jellyness? Oh you jelly <3

[Anonymous No.1873315]

A FURRY VS A RETARD

TWO TRIPFAGS, ONLY ONE MAY SURVIVE

THIS SUMMER, IT'S THIS SUMMER

[Anonymous No.1873320]

>>1873315
I lol'd.

[Inurdaes !O1lReNv8uc No.1873322]

>>1873315
>>1873304
>>1873286

[Anonymous No.1873325]

>>1873286

.

[Anonymous No.1873327]

Sounds a lot like Lenore. (irc.nixtrixirc.net #4chanplanet and an associated forum.) We never quite got it off the ground, but it was mostly wanting for more people and (at least some) more structure.

Check it out?

[Anonymous No.1873376]

>>1873259

I just created a profile over at the sciverse forum.

Not sure about the whole "transhumanism" thing though.........sounds a little too furry to me.

[Anonymous No.1873459]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mundane_science_fiction

That's what we should be using as a guide to follow.

[Anonymous No.1873516]

>>1873376
do you even know what transhumanism is?

[Anonymous No.1873537]

>>1873459
Lenore takes that a step further. Imagine you found yourself on a new world, with nothing but 200 pounds of equipment you could gather from your surroundings inside 10 minutes. Without the resources of strong infrastructure, how can /sci/ survive? Can we thrive, amid the risks of raids by other 4channers, especially the members of /k/ who each, it seems, each brought three guns and fifty pounds of ammo?

[Anonymous No.1874872]

bump for glorious

[Anonymous No.1874883]

>>1873286

The only person who seems to know what he's doing is Gyro and you people haven't chosen anything: The gameplay, the engine, not even the programming language you'll use and the plot is as bad as any other work's, hard sf or not, since your "game" is not hard sf.

[Anonymous No.1874912]

Chimaera, add some "science links and info" thread to the science category.

[Anonymous No.1875030]

From the forum:

>- No FTL
>- Wormholes require a lot of mass-energy and are unstable, only advanced civilizations can identify, stabilize, and inflate a wormhole, and even then its only to a small size. Large wormholes can be used to transport cargo, but only small amounts at once, but have to be carried to the destination by slow-than-light spacecraft.
>- The Laws of Thermodynamics hold (Small scale violations, with sufficiently advanced technology, are possible)
>- The theories of Relativity and Quantum Mechanics have been extended, but never disproved.
>- Matter and energy cannot be created or destroyed (Some civilizations, however, learn how to control quantum vacuum fluctuations, but those who have that technology can also create their own universes and live in them and don't interfere with most of the common civilizations)
>- Posthuman AI took longer to develop than expected
>- It did not enter an upward curve of self-modification as easy as expected, progress was slow and not exponential, sometimes the AI's refused to because it would increase Mankind's grip on them, sometimes they simply evolved their own goals)
>- Magnetic Monopoles exist and can be manipulated
>- Relativistic spaceflight is viable and performed regularly, however, it is not as easy as flying a plane. Interplanetary spaceflight is also done regularly, and while much easier, it is not for everyone.
>- By the time posthuman AI was developed human augmentation was advanced enough to surpass AIs.

>This is all I have at the moment. Feel free to add more or remove.

[Anonymous No.1875048]

The IRC channel is still up if anyone wants to join.

[Anonymous No.1875056]

>>1873286

>"Struggle for geographical dominance"
>"WW3 left the earth ravaged in destruction and chaos"
>"Resources within those planets prompted several wars between both nations"
>"The Corporations (guided by greed) pursued their agendas through any means(sabotage, war, politically driven assassination)"
>"Both nations unified and underwent a war against the corporations."

Oh wow.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1875072]

>mfw this thread is still up and there's a forum and Scia is still butthurt

[dolan !Uq56cE.45s No.1875085]

Who's in charge of this clusterfuck? Where are the headquarters?

[Anonymous No.1875115]

>>1875072
What's you msn Colonel?

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1875133]

>>1875115

I only have gmail.

This is my 4chan-anon-trash-whatever-thingee account.

[e-mail]

[Anonymous No.1875146]

Do you fuckheads want to think about the engine and programming language BEFORE you start creating unbelievable plots and massive complexity? Just a thought.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1875152]

>>1875146

Do you even read the OP? It's a fictional setting, not a game.

Scia is the idiot who is trying to make a game with no idea of anything.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1875157]

>>1875152

For all fuck, I even said it three times in the OP.

>So, I was thinking, why don't we (That's YOU!) make a setting? A universe? Like Orion's Arm or the Garden Universe, but it would be better because it would be /sci/-style.
>After all, it doesn't require the organization to make a science journal or the dedication to make a game.
>So what do you think /sci/? It's far more plausible than all of our current projects, up to date

[Anonymous No.1875215]

>>1875157

This.

[Anonymous No.1875231]

bump for the only project /sci/ could ever do

[Anonymous No.1875277]

>>1875231

Nope, /sci/ is doomed to fail in this endeavour from the offset.

At best, you end up with three or four neckbeards in an IRC channel arguing about aliens and masturbating to space elves.

[Anonymous No.1875299]

>>1875277

And you think Scia's game has a greater chance of success?

[Anonymous No.1875360]

>>1875299

No, I don't. It's retarded, and if you think this project will succeed because it's less retarded then you're out of luck.

[Anonymous No.1875375]

>>1875277
...what IRC server are we on now?

[Anonymous No.1875394]

>>1875375

irc.undernet.org

[Anonymous No.1875401]

Fuck all of you.

We need a /sci/wiki

[Anonymous No.1875409]

>>1875401

The wikia will be once we have the project defined and with a canon and a storyline, right now the forum is for deciding that.

[Anonymous No.1875428]

People should state the year or at least the century that their projected events happen. That way whomever feels like adding to the database that day can simply archive your stated events into the appropriate time slot by simple copypasta.

Thats how this whole thing should be broken down and organized....by timeline.


Make sure your basic scientific theory is sound though or expect to get shitted on big time.

[Anonymous No.1875440]

>>1875428

It's meant to be like a chronicle of the future, so it starts late in this century and starts to jump.

[Anonymous No.1875490]

If you are simply throwing around ideas then post away.

If you are ready for your events to be permanently archived just put the word ..."Final"... at the end of your post.

It should be as simple as simple as that. No separate forum necessary.

[Anonymous No.1875506]

>>1875440


exactly

[Anonymous No.1875519]

When is autosage? I thought it was at 255.

[Anonymous No.1875521]

>>1875440

I should have said no separate "discussion" forum necessary.

The permanent archive will obviously have to be separate.

There should be one main editable "official canon" archive with an ever growing number of copies on different servers around the world.

Don't expect your post to be accepted by the community as official canon if your basic science is bullshit though.

[Anonymous No.1875530]

>>1875521

>There should be one main editable "official canon" archive with an ever growing number of copies on different servers around the world. There should be one main editable "official canon" archive with an ever growing number of copies on different servers around the world. There should be one main editable "official canon" archive with an ever growing number of copies on different servers around the world.

Here's the sample canon:

http://sciverse.forumotion.net/canon-basics-rules-f4/sample-canon-t1.htm

So far nobody has replied to get it changed or anything.

Or here:
>>1875030

[Anonymous No.1875545]

>>1866502
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>>1866502
>>1866502

http://plus4chan.org/boards/coc/res/29988.html

[Anonymous No.1875568]

Hang on, you're planning on making a game?

Gtfo and do some real science.

I think we can break lightspeed or develop true zero point energy.

[Anonymous No.1875578]

>>1875530

You didn't put the year or century that you were talking about.

How or should I say where would I re-post the year 4151 that I had posted above just to get things started over there on the /sci/verse site.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1875591]

>>1875568
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>>1875146

Jesus Christ, are you people trolling me? Are you seriously so mentally retarded you can't tell that this is not about making a game but about making a setting?

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1875704]

First story:

http://sciverse.forumotion.net/stories-f1/the-long-years-t6.htm

I guess we could use this as a base for the plot/timeline, or just do whatever the hell you want.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1875710]

Are you familiar with the concept of Anacyclosis? Because this is what happened here, before Jan and the Commonality, before the Rediscovery of Earth.


The ship had been built by the Commonality, but there was no Commonality, no Brussels, and no people anywhere, anymore. Behind Mankind trailed an enourmous, and mostly forgotten, past.
It spiraled around Jupiter in its inward path as long, electrodynamic tethers drained power from the plasma belt to fuel the ship's memory. Inside, people rested in tanks of a fluid full of microbots constantly supplying the coma-inducing drugs, rebuilding the telomeres, and managing stem-cell reconstruction and cellular autophagy.
Thirty six thousand years had passed and the ship had not received the launch order from Earth. People remained in their tanks. Nothing changed, as the Interstellar Vehicle Icarus fluttered closer and closer to Jupiter with each orbit.
Back on Earth things had been different, before. During the old Century of Wonders things had happened so fast, waves after waves of products entered the market, systems were recycled in days or weeks.
The long-awaited Nanotechnology Revolution brought forth, not a molecular assembler per person, but a tightly-controlled research. Universities were barricaded. R&D labs guarded by the feds. If a molecular assembler left the lab, people could make copies of the machine and there were a lot of people who didn't want to lose their grip on society. Post-scarcity was their nightmare.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1875720]

But there were some people who chose not to take it anymore, and within Old Earth they stole molecular assemblers and built their rockets. They built EM launch systems to send small payloads into space, and laser-driven craft to send the people. While the world was spiraling into chaos they built the Icarus out of a Carbon-rich asteroid, and went to space and put themselves in stasis. They were the Lords of the Commonality, or that's the name they picked for themselves. They were not Lords, and there was no Commonality. But there would be one, some day, in the future, they thought.
So they sat in orbit around Jupiter waiting for the launch signal that never came.
They had left behind a computer, as smart as a cat but programmed to learn over time. It would keep knowledge, and call the ship: If things got better on Earth the signal would awaken the Lords of the Commonality, if not, another signal would awake them and give them time to plan their interstellar target.
The signal never came.
They called the computer Jan because humans have this strange tendency to anthropomorphise things, it was a a pyramid, 900 meters wide and 2980 meters tall, that progressively tightened into an impossibly thin spike pointed at the stars. Jet-black, coated with nanoscopic windmills... These windmills coated in photovoltaics. All designed for maximum efficiency.
It sat and waited for things to get better or worse. When the bombs came it sat and waited.
The initial gamma-ray shines of the first decades damaged it, ionizing one-third of its nanotech coating. It resisted. Its mission was to keep feeding power so the sum total of Mankind's knowledge would continue beating in incomprehensible quantum rynthms in the bowels of Jan. After there were no more bombs, it had to resist the rapid nuke-aided climate change. It restored its coating and continued keeping knowledge.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1875729]

I am the keeper of Mankind, Humanity's most respected. My purpose was given to me by the Lords of the Commonality, Jan thought. I must not be defeated. Critical failure is not defeat. Not repairing critical failures is defeat. I must not be defeated, it thought.
Then there were no people, or plants, or animals, as far as its nanotech eyes could see from the top of the spike in the middle of a frozen Alaska.
The first thing that got worse was the wind.
It sent scouts to see if there were other plains where it could store copies of itself, but few came back. It sent others, to see if there were deposits of radiactive materials or or petrochemicals salvageable photovoltaics it could use.
Most of the scouts were consumed in the flammable clouds.
Eventually Jan just sat and waited. Things got better, for a while, until the nanocaust. Jan didn't know Mankind had created self-replicating, nanoscopic robots with molecular assemblers mounted on them: All the time the assemblers had been macroscopic machines with telescoping booms. It did not matter.
After the seventh, they got quiet. There were no nanoswarms, but there were still no people Jan could find.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1875737]

By the year 12,000 Jan started seeing people and plants grow and some of the ancient animals.
It was more or less during that year, that Jan, after countless randomizing quantum events, began to think it was a Lord of the Commonality. No messages were broadcast to the ship. It sat in orbit while Jan sat on Earth and observed out of amusement, how the villages grew and became empires and how people salvaged things from the glowing cities that had been left behind.
A few centuries later Jan chose to erase its DNA bank and some of the history databases. Time passed and not much changed. Jan still thought it was a Lord of the Commonality, and as such had certain duties.
It built rockets and spaceplanes and sent out a statite that hovered above the Sun, its superconducting hoops turning the constant shower of protons into an electric current and supplying Jan with 100 billion times more power the 21st century Human Race needed. That's when it sent out rockets to the Icarus.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1875743]

Eloise was a young girl whose parents had said goodbye in an old, underground room of the Old Earth while she departed in a lightcraft into orbit. She slept in her costantly-rejeuvenating bath when the robots left her body and her mind was revived, her heart pumped back into life, she awakened to see a bright glare and four arms pulling her out of the chamber.
She was put in a coma again before she could go back to full consciousness, and in a few months the robots had taken her to Earth.
But they were not particularly smart robots.
The spaceplane crashed, spilling out its contents, and she just fell out, her raggedy clothes simply vanishing into thirty thousand year old dust. The sonic boom traveld dozens of kilometers and everyone near it heard. They all knew it could only be caused by the machines of Old Earth so they ran to the site.
The first person who found her, unconsciouss, was an old man who instantly recognized her as one of the people from the Ancient Art, a woman of Old Earth.
He carried her to his village, and when she awoke from the near-death sleep she saw an ivory-coloured man working on old tools. It was not human, and it sat on a wooden chair covered with a blanket like an old person.
Instinctively she said “Hello?”
The ivory robot looked at her.
“The old hunter was right. You're from Old Earth!”
“What?”
“We found you in an spaceplane. We thought you had died.”

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1875751]

I am a Lady of the Commonality, she thought. This should not happen to me. Are we there yet? Did we take off? Or are we on Earth again?
“I... I am a Lady of the Commonality. Where am I?”
The robot seemed to freeze for a second and said:
“I remember you. You are a Lady of the Commonality! The saviours of Mankind, Humanity's most respected! Those who took off to the stars! Have you come back now?”
“We... Were am I? I don't remember taking off.”
“But its been thousands of years. You must have. The mission was to either go back to Earth when things got better or go to space. Did you find anything for Man?”
“We didn't take off. We didn't come back. I was put in jelly and woke up here. Spaceplane? We didn't have spaceplanes on the ship.”
The robot didn't reply.
“Where is Jan?” Eloise asked.
“Who is Jan?”
“The computer. The computer we left behind.”
“I remember computers. They were here a long time ago, but none was called Jan.”
Eloise looked at the old, battered robot and said:
“Who are you?”
“I don't know. I know I was programmed as a house pet and slave, but after the cities of Old Earth fell I was alone for a while, until they found me. All I remember is how to perform surgery and for the last few thousands of years I have been here, from village to village, helping out. We waited for you, for the Commonality.”
“Thousands?”
“We were waiting for you, that's why. But I'm old now, and I can't move, so I have to stay on this village helping only these people.”
“How long has it been?”

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1875759]

“Most people have forgotten. Nobody can put numbers to years anymore.”
“Do you remember?”
During the convsersation, she began to notice things. She had been given clothes by the people there, and there was an open door through which she could see the rest of the village.
Neolithic, she thought. How far back have we gone?
“I don't remember much.”
“Where are the others?”
“There is only you.”
“But we didn't have spaceplanes! Somebody else brought me from the ship! They must have brought down the others too!”
That night she had to stay with those people, while an old man tried to tell the future. He said something about an evil coming or something.
The next day, questions still unanwered, five ornithopters came flying down on the surface. They shot down the men with bows and arrows, robots climbed down, got Eloise and flew away while the village was blown apart and the old, disabled doctor died after thirty six thousand years of continuous fully-functional operation. It was that fast, that efficient.
Soon she was standing in front of Jan, the human avatar of the computer sat in a golden throne in the red room, surrounded by diamond columns and windows overlooking the desert. They were at the top of the spike.

[Anonymous No.1875762]

>>1875751
you need psychological help bro

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1875766]

“I am a Lord of the Commonality, the keeper of Mankind, and Humanity's most respected.”
“Jan.” Eloise said “You're a computer. We left you to check on Earth. What happened?”
“I am a Lord of the Commonality.”
“Why did you never call back?”
“Things were different. Priorites changed. I have a whole green Earth full of peasants to take care of.”
“What have you done to all these?”
“Nothing. I leave them do whatever they want. I just watch over, benevolent, never interfere. I watch over them and keep them safe.”
“Where are the rest?”
“They are on the ship and they are safe. They will be for the next centuries.”
“Why don't you call them? Tell them to come home.”
“They will wait. I am a Lord of the Commonality and as such I have duties.”
“You have the duty to awaken those people on Icarus.”
“I have the duty, as a Lord of the Commonality, to marry another Lady of the Commonality.”
“You are a computer.”
“I am a Lord of the Commonality and I have chosen you to be my partner as we watch over Earth.”
“You, you are a computer. A machine. You're a machine that thinks it's a Lord. I'm not old enough to get married.”

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1875772]

“But you were the prettiest Lady of the Commonality on that ship and you were brought forth because of that.”
“Why would I feel anything for you?”
“You don't have to. You just have to marry me so I will be a real Lord.”
“There is no Commonality. There are no Lords. It was never real. The Commonality was a fake title we came up with while daydreaming about escaping to the stars, the Lords was a title we came up with to give ourselves more importance. It was never a polity and it will never be one unless you call those people and let them get here.”
“You don't understand, do you?”
“There's nothing to understand.”
“If you marry me I will awaken the crew of Icarus. We'll watch over Earth for all eternity. If you don't, you will live your life outside, find your man and die. Never powerful. Never anything.”

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1875778]

As a Lady of the Commonality she understood her duty to Mankind. The wedding took place with all the formalities and ceremonies and all the witnesses were cold machines with a skin of ivory.
A few days later, a spot was observed. The fusion trail of Icarus, spiraling out. They were so closer to Jupiter, nearly sinking into the atmosphere after millennia of draining power from the plasma torus. Soon the landers rained down on the surface of the Earth, and Jan ended its mission. It said goodbye to Eloise in the most theatrical way possible and it scheduled its death perfectly.
The idealists, the utopians, the dreamers who called themselves the Lords of the Commonality returned to Earth after millennia of suspended animation to start the real Commonality.
The weight of the House of Flowers twisted the Earth's axis by a few inches, and caused an entire archipielago to soar from the depth of the ocean. Humans had forgotten to call that ocean the Atlantic, for a long time. They had also forgotten to call the year Jan died, the sixth year of the ninth decade of the fifth century of the thirty-sixth millenium after the launch of Icarus and the construction of Jan and the fall of Old Earth. Thirty six thousand years had passed, since that long-gone Century of Wonders and its broken promises.
Eloise lived a long life, the two hundred years science could give her. It would take centuries to rebuild the lost cities and the lost technology, most of the data was corrupt and Jan had ended most of it with itself. The databases of Icarus were also dead.
It would take time, but eventually it would all be rebuilt.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1875784]

But before she died, Eloise had had a good life: She had been a diplomat, explorer, researcher, teacher, doctor and artist. She had lived and loved plenty, and in those last years she went to the old desert and found the spike still standing. She climbed all they way up to the steep end of the building, where it found the old throne room where the marriage had taken place. It was old damaged, old and battered. But there was something, down there. Quantum music still beat its incomprehensible rythms.
Jan was partially alive, at least a fragment of it, however small. It had not been able to fully termiante itself.
“I must know. Did you always think you were a Lord of the Commonality? Was it all real?”
“For most of my history, yes. Until you came. Then I understood. I had not heard the truth in ages.”
The machine paused.
“It was all real, Eloise. I really did love you, with a strange fascination only machines have. I really did. That's why I died. I had to. So the Human Era would begin again and Mankind could rebuild, I had to end myself. But I really did love you Eloise. And I still remember you.”
The machine paused again.
“I still keep you Eloise, here. We'll never be apart, for as long as my remains last.”
The two remained there, and Eloise lay on the floor and looked at the Milky Way on the sky above, through the cracks of the ceramic dome. The stars were visible again, all the pollution was long gone.
For the first time in years, the future seemed more like a promise.

[Anonymous No.1875797]

>>1875762
You don't talk to the Colonel like that, boy!

[Anonymous No.1875834]

>>1875784

>“It was all real, Eloise. I really did love you, with a strange fascination only machines have. I really did. That's why I died. I had to. So the Human Era would begin again and Mankind could rebuild, I had to end myself. But I really did love you Eloise. And I still remember you.”

;_;

[Anonymous No.1875862]

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[Anonymous No.1875876]

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[Anonymous No.1875890]

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[Anonymous No.1875926]

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bro...BRO!........calm the FUCK down.

[Anonymous No.1875950]

>>1875926

He's obsessive compulsive I think-

[Anonymous No.1875959]

Has it started to autosage?

[Anonymous No.1876004]

>>1875959


It will if he keeps pulling shit like that.


Hey Coffee Mug.......chill dude.....your'e scaring the locals.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1876023]

>>1876004

Fine GEEZ

[Anonymous No.1876050]

>>1876004
>your'e scaring the locals.
Don't worry, we know Mug, he won't scare us (anymore).

[Anonymous No.1876101]

bump

[Anonymous No.1876110]

How exactly does a thread return from the dead of autosage?

[Anonymous No.1876116]

>>1876050


well he's sure as hell scaring me.

It's like you meet this cool bro and you go over to his house for a couple of beers and to watch the game and play some Halo.

And when you walk in you see nothing but giant dildos and paintings of armadillos with dicks on the wall. So your'e like...uh, hey bro I gotta test this week and I really have to study dude....

[Anonymous No.1876162]

>>1876110
I'm afraid that there's going to have to be a certain amount of.. violence.

[Anonymous No.1876357]

can someone with a little nuclear physics background make a basic design of a self sustaining fusion bomb?

I want to detonate one over a European city in the year 4150

[Anonymous No.1876390]

bump

[Anonymous No.1876577]

This thread is still alive?

[Anonymous No.1876585]

/3/ is making a game?

and I thought the /lit/ magazine ended after a few issues

[Anonymous No.1876719]

>>1876585

I saw a few issues but don't know if they are still making it.

[A. No.1876751]

>>1876585
I don't know about /3/ making a game, but I know they are working on making a rendering of a complex drawing in 3D

pic related: They are working on it.

Thread is here >>>/3/138090

[Anonymous No.1876866]

So we gonna do this or what?

[Anonymous No.1876919]

>>1876866

We would be doing this if people joined the forum and commented.

[Anonymous No.1876958]

we should make a successful tactical nuke launcher

[Anonymous No.1877177]

bemp for justice

[Anonymous No.1877259]

>>1876958
>tactical
>nuke

[Anonymous No.1877441]

blemp :3

[Anonymous No.1877578]

>>1872568
>18:15:22 * Unable to connect to server (Connection timed out)
Alternative servers where?

[Anonymous No.1877599]

>>1877578

Ah fuck, this happens a lot.

Try dalnet

irc.dal.net

[Anonymous No.1877606]

>>1877599

#[e-mail]

[Anonymous No.1877719]

>First non-Colonel Coffee Mug post in the forum

A NEW AGE HAS BEGUN

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1877942]

Sample timeline :3

[Anonymous No.1878059]

>>1877942

I think your space colonization and interstellar space flight timelines are WAY too early. The late 21st century is going to look a lot like the early 21st century but with better computers and biotech nothing more imo.

Heavy Sol system colonization in the mid too late 22nd at the absolute earliest. Manned interstellar flight in the 22nd century? No way.

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1878094]

>>1878059

>The late 21st century is going to look a lot like the early 21st century but with better computers and biotech nothing more imo.

Consider how much the world has changed from 1900 to 2010. For one that population went from 1,6 billion to 6 and a half.

In a century we went from basic radios to a planet-wide information network, stepping over TV and cinema. We went from a bunch of guys trying to fly model planes to the International Space Station.

We live in a time of accelerating change and nanotechnology is just going to put this into overdrive. MAXIMUM OVERDRIVE.

>Manned interstellar flight in the 22nd century? No way.

Not colonization, just a few people going out there. It IS possible within this century alone.

[Anonymous No.1878113]

>>1875072
disregard the impersonators

mt project is starting to slow down

at least yours might actually happen

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1878119]

>>1878113

I don't know who the real Scia is anymore. I don't know who anybody is anymore.

I would assume the trollish/retarded comments don't come from you since you were/are a good poster, but there's no way to be sure.

[Anonymous No.1878133]

>>1878094


Also, I think you're putting a little too much detail in the overall timeline....its too limiting.

Specific detail should happen more organically through individual contributors.

I would also try to shy away from near ELE level events on Earth for a while.....at least until space is sufficiently colonized so it won't have a limiting effect on creativity.

[Scia No.1878134]

>>1878119
Should i start tripping?

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1878142]

>>1878133

Well, I only put events like "war starts", "polity formed", "polity ends", "reconstruction begins", etc etc. The details of the polities, the people, the events, they are all up for contribution.

I put a few because you can't have, say, and interstellar age with no event to cause it (Like an exodus from the solar system or something), gradualism just doesn't kick it.

And the ELE... I dunno, I guess it's an old trope of sf to cut Earth out of the story early, leave people in the Up-and-out all for themselves.

[Scia !!cjW58FjfJHZ No.1878146]

>>1878134
Now im a tripfag

[Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q No.1878147]

>>1878134

I'm supposed to say no because tripfags are all fags but... For the sake of not making mistakes...

[Inurdaes !O1lReNv8uc No.1878157]

>>1877942
It's such a mindfuck to think of anything over 10,000AD...

[Anonymous No.1878483]

In the year 2432 the Muslim European Union create the first reactor specifically designed to create anti-matter. They state emphatically that it is for peaceful research purposes.

In the year 2448 the first functional weaponized antimatter device is created.

In In the year 2511 an anti matter device is used in aggression for the first time. It is also the first hostile detonation of a nuclear device in over 300 years.

Ironically it was detonated beneath the M.E.U's own capitol city of Berlin by a rogue faction of their own government.

[Anonymous No.1878575]

>>1878483
>Muslim European Union
Not going to happen.

[Anonymous No.1878590]

In the year 2712 a large number of top secret United States government documents are made public.

It is revealed that the members United States Central Intelligence Agency were assigned the task of providing members of the rogue faction of the M.E.U.* with with a relatively large amount of weapons grade anti matter. This was given for the specific purpose of creating an extremely large yield anti matter device.

*(also known as the Global Fundamentalist Party or G.F.P)

[Anonymous No.1878670]

woo hoo!...just made my first post over on the /sci/verse board XD

[Anonymous No.1879603]

bumpo

[Anonymous No.1879774]

>>1878590
>weapons grade anti matter
It does not work like that...