Gliese 581g has been signaling us.

[Anonymous No.1830843]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1316538/Gliese-581g-mystery-Scientist-spotted-mysteri
ous-pulse-light-direction-newEarth-planet-year.html

Two years ago we received ordered pulses of light, not of the sort we would recognize as from a pulsar, coming from a different star in the Gliese system.

This has certain implications IF the signal is in fact alien in origin. First, as it's such a simple signal, it's probably a probe of some sort. Our own probes send brief snippets like that to call home periodically. This would explain why it is coming from a star in the same system rather than the one Gliese 581g is orbiting. They're looking for us, but in the wrong place.

However, the fact that we've received no radio signals from Gliese 581g has some troubling implications. It may be that they are long dead.

Statistically, that's very likely. Human beings arose over a very short timespan, relative to the age of the Earth. We've had spaceflight and radio technology for a shorter period still. It may be that intelligent life either leaves their planet of origin or dies out, and it all happens over the span of perhaps a thousand years or less after they discovery rocketry. And by the time they leave for space they might be something akin to posthuman.

This means we'd have an incredibly brief window of time to meet intelligent, biological aliens still living on their homeworld. And for the inhabitants of Gliese 581, if there are or were any, that window likely came and went millenia ago. The only signals we're likely to receive, therefore, are from their lingering probes.

[Anonymous No.1830848]

>daily mail

Stop it.

Link me to a paper goddamnit.

[Anonymous No.1830850]

>>1830843
gee, thanks for the total buzzkill x(

[Anonymous No.1830852]

>>1830848

"Dr Ragbir Bhathal, a scientist at the University of Western Sydney, picked up the odd signal in December 2008, long before it was announced that the star Gliese 581 has habitable planets in orbit around it.
A member of the Australian chapter of SETI, the organisation that looks for communication from distant planets, Dr Bhathal had been sweeping the skies when he discovered a 'suspicious' signal from an area of the galaxy that holds the newly-discovered Gliese 581g."

[Anonymous No.1830857]

>>1830850

Buzzkill? If we can get ahold of one of those probes and figure out what powers/propels it....

Hell, we might even be able to catch up to the species that made it, wherever they are. :]

[Anonymous No.1830862]

>2 years ago
>light pulses

Get every cryptographer on the planet a copy of that signal and see what we come up with. Might be something important. You know, like "Don't go to this nebula, it's full of evil death machines that got loose. Seriously, they'll fucking annihilate you."

Just sayin'.

[Anonymous No.1830865]

Perhaps they still exist in a state beyond the use of that stuff. The probes a from an earlier era in their development.

[Anonymous No.1830873]

>>1830862
Linguists, too.

[Anonymous No.1830901]

wait a second. they say we got some sort of signal that possibly could be from an alien probe. so why does this suddenly call for "they mustve left the planet for space" conjecture? if it wasnt obvious, 20 LY means it would take about 20 earthyears for a signal to travel to/from earth/gliese 581g. 40 years roundtrip.

IF its a signal with some sort of message, it would take time to transcribe. might be impossible depending on many things, but we have for the most part decoded mayan text with absolutely nothing to help. then we could send something back and wouldnt get a response for at least 40 years

unless they travel faster than light and rape us or something

[Anonymous No.1830909]

>>1830901
Then we send back a message and await rape.

[Anonymous No.1830910]

>>1830901
*gasp* The signal is actually a bait for civilizations at our tech-level? Advanced enough to recive and understand it's meaning, yet not advanced enough to defend ourselves when the Gliesians come to reap our biomass?

[Anonymous No.1830918]

>>1830910
Maybe they've got their own SETI equivalent, but instead of radio they use light pulses.

I mean, there's no reason to believe that our technology is standard between worlds.

[Anonymous No.1830920]

>>1830873
This. Who's the first person they're gonna call when we get in contact with aliens? People who study language.

Sure, mathematicians/chemists/physicists could develop a mutual language based on numbers, elements, etc, but it might be faster to get a bunch of linguists on it.

Also, imagine they have some terribly cumbersome written language like chinese, and see our 'simpler' 26-character language, which would be easier to impart on the other?

[Anonymous No.1830921]

>>1830843

So, uh...

Does this mean my childhood dream of being a xenoarchaeologist is possible?

>BRB, COLLEGE

[Anonymous No.1830922]

i still dont understand why everyone assumes any and all aliens are going to be more advanced than us. they would likely be organic themselves. might be a few unfathomable things like a 6th sense or new colors/elements or something but they wouldnt necessarily be more advanced than us.

hell weve sent out signals since what, the 20s, 30s? if there is life advanced enough to pick up signals they might just as well think we are so far advanced and dumbing down our signals for them.

[Anonymous No.1830925]

>>1830921

Your descendants possibly. The fastest propulsion we have is pulsed nuclear and that maxes out at 1/10th C. It would take about 950 years to get there, including the time taken to accelerate and decelerate.

[Anonymous No.1830928]

>>1830925
...well, fuck.

Guess I'll end up working at McDonalds after all.

[Inurdaes !O1lReNv8uc No.1830929]

Start sending strong pulses of radio and light signals in prime numbers?
Fuck yeah Contact.

[Inurdaes !O1lReNv8uc No.1830933]

>>1830925
>>1830928
http://www.manhattanbeachproject.com/

[Anonymous No.1830934]

>It may be that intelligent life either leaves their planet of origin or dies out, and it all happens over the span of perhaps a thousand years or less after they discovery rocketry. And by the time they leave for space they might be something akin to posthuman.

These two sentences straight from the writer's ass.

Who says a civilization has only ~1,000 years on their home planet after the discovery of rocketry? Who says they'll all be posthuman? Who's to say they don't colonize other planets while keeping their own? Who's to say they don't explore and colonize using huge space-station-like craft while using their home planet as a base?

The possibilities go on and on.

[Anonymous No.1830938]

Gliese 581g is bigger than earth and orbits a red star.We found krypton.

[Anonymous No.1830940]

>>1830929
>>1830933
You are not Inurdaes.

[Inurdaes !O1lReNv8uc No.1830943]

>>1830940
I am, actually. On my laptop at a family friend's house. So unfortunately don't have my usual tripcode.

[Anonymous No.1830945]

>>1830934

>>Who's to say they don't explore and colonize using huge space-station-like craft while using their home planet as a base?

Then why no signals from Gliese 581g?

[Anonymous No.1830946]

>>1830922
Radio signals dissipate after so long. If the aliens are far away enough, the wouldn't even detect them.

[Anonymous No.1830947]

>>1830921
Relativity will make the trip shorter for the traveler


Also, I don't think we should message back anything incase they are like the War of the World Aliens and are hellbent on ass raping us if they find that we are here. (Although we already broadcast signals everywhere)

[Anonymous No.1830950]

>>1830943
Yeah, sure... at friends' house... like we believe you. Now, go away impostor.

[Anonymous No.1830953]

>>1830945

How should I know?

[Anonymous No.1830955]

>>1830943
>>1830943
wouldnt you remember it?

[Inurdaes !O1lReNv8uc No.1830959]

>>1830950
Hurr durr.

[Inurdaes !O1lReNv8uc No.1830962]

>>1830955
Not really. Firefox on my desktop autosaves the trip and it's full of random symbols like plus signs and all that.

[Anonymous No.1830963]

>>1830843 pulses of light
So I'm assuming this means something between IR and UV not a radio wave. (Yes I know they are spectrums of the same thing)

We use radio waves to communicate with our satellites and space probes instead of visible light for a very good reason: They aren't subject to as much scattering and absorption as the "light" wavelengths, and they induce currents in conductors, making them very easy to pick up.

To be picked up on Earth whatever is making these pulses would need to be unbelievably bright. I doubt even Tsar Bomba or a megawatt laser pointed right at us would result in a detectable number of photons hitting us 20 light years away.

[Anonymous No.1830964]

>>1830959
>space waste of money post

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MAD

[Anonymous No.1830967]

>>1830925
fully bio humans will never reach other star systems. It will be the trans-humans and artifical people that will explore the universe. Unless that is they decided to reborn bio humans on other worlds.

It would be interesting if their advanced civilization broke down and all that was left were bio/natural humans basically farming like primitive peoples. After joint memory of the history of how humans got there, they would really go wtf and wonder how the fuck they got there. Kind of like Trigun.

[Anonymous No.1830968]

>>1830920
>Who's the first person they're gonna call when we get in contact with aliens?
>Who they're gonna call?

[Anonymous No.1830969]

>>1830946
they wouldnt dissipate in that short of time however

[Inurdaes !O1lReNv8uc No.1830971]

>>1830964
Yeah, I mad.
It's trolls/assholes like that that the entire space program has to go against. Had /sci/ not stepped in for that H.R. 7261 bill for NASA or whatever, there is a fairly good chance many congressmen would of thought something similar and not voted on it.

[Anonymous No.1830972]

i think humans will know the truth soon, these news stories are slowly building up our tolerance to new and exciting things, when these stories climax into the truth, it won't be such a huge blow to peoples' minds as a whole.

Humanity is almost ready.

- me

[Anonymous No.1830977]

>>1830971
>>1830971
you just dont want to accept the fact that it is a waste of money. there is nothing we could learn from space that would improve life here. if im in the senate i would never appropriate funds for NASA.

[Anonymous No.1830979]

>>1830852

University of Western Sydney?
LOL, that's one of the shittest universities in Australia. Some say it's a glorified TAFE.

[Anonymous No.1830980]

>>1830977

You are the cancer plaguing the collective mind of humanity.

[Anonymous No.1830982]

>>1830972
Get out.

[Anonymous No.1830985]

>>1830979


yeah, kinda like how stupid people are who have to work in a patent office for a living because they can't make it in a science discipline

faggot

[Anonymous No.1830986]

>>1830977
You just hurrrrduuur'd

[Anonymous No.1830989]

>>1830982

[Anonymous No.1830990]

>>1830980
>>1830980
You have nothing to say, nothing to refute my point.

[Anonymous No.1830992]

Science is a joke, everything that has ever been created can be found in the Old Testament

[Inurdaes !O1lReNv8uc No.1830993]

>>1830977
>you just dont want to accept the fact that it is a waste of money.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asteroid_mining
>At 1997 prices, a relatively small metallic asteroid with a diameter of 1 mile contains more than $20 trillion US dollars worth of industrial and precious metals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_Earth_Objects#Near-Earth_asteroids
>These are objects that have a near-Earth orbit, yet far enough from the Sun so that the surface material never evaporates, having a diameter over 50 metres. As of May 2010[update], 7,075 near-Earth asteroids are known,[15] ranging in size up to ~32 kilometers (1036 Ganymed).[17] The number of near-Earth asteroids over one kilometer in diameter is estimated to be 500 - 1,000.

The space program can repay itself some billion times from our solar s ystem alone. You're a fucking narrowminded idiot.

[Anonymous No.1830994]

>>1830989
Yes, I mad.

[Anonymous No.1830996]

>>1830990

You're right, and do you know why you are right? Because you are a narrow minded, shallow thinking homo sapien who has not been schooled in logic.

[Anonymous No.1830998]

>>1830996
>>1830986
>insults

[Anonymous No.1830999]

>>1830996
>>1830993

<narrow minded
<narrow minded


hivemind is correct, narrow minded faggot has been detected in this thread

[Inurdaes !O1lReNv8uc No.1831002]

>>1830998
I SEE YOU DIDN'T SEEM TO ACKNOLEDGE MY PERFECTLY VALID REBUTTAL.

[Anonymous No.1831004]

>blah blah blah blah, future stuff
>shame we won't live to see it
>inurdaes: WE'RE ALL GONNA LIVE FOREVER
>rainbows and unicorns and Erasure playing in the background.

[Anonymous No.1831006]

>>1830998


you must be a terrestrially located civil engineer, c'mon buddy, move up in the galaxy and start building stuff for the new mars colony! commander shepard says we will start mining the asteroid belt soon to fund our recon mission to pluto

[Anonymous No.1831007]

>>1831006

[Anonymous No.1831008]

>>1830993
okey asteroids are mineral-rich

but does it make it good for the fuel required for their transportation?

[Anonymous No.1831010]

>>1830993
I'm sure the prices would drop astronomically with that much material in the market.

But damn, imagine all the shit we could build with it all. For instance, our platinum is running comparatively low, and we'll have to look for alternatives.

I'll bet there's an asteroid made of solid platinum out there someplace.

[Anonymous No.1831011]

>>1831004
Uh, what?

[Anonymous No.1831013]

>>1831008

>>narrow minded faggot looks at list proving him wrong
>>stops at first one
>>pwned

[Anonymous No.1831015]

>>1830993
Not trolling or arguing against it, but would tapping these things affect the solar system, or at least our area of it?

If not, how many yearsworth of manpower would it take to get this ball rolling?

[Anonymous No.1831016]

>>1831010
There are clouds of booze for fucks sake.

[Anonymous No.1831018]

>>1831015

more years than you have mm of cock my homosexual engineer friend

[Inurdaes !O1lReNv8uc No.1831021]

>>1831004
ALWAAAAAAYSS I WANNA BE WITH YOU, IN HARMONY HARMONY OH HARMONY STATION ON MARS
>>1831008
Orbiting solar panels, fusion from helium 3 on moon, harvest hydrogen and helium from Jupiter, and I've heard that it may be possible to capture a shitload of antimatter from inbetween Io and Jupiter because of some interaction they have etc.

[Anonymous No.1831022]

>>1831015

double insult, told you>>1831018 and you>>1830993

[Anonymous No.1831024]

>>1831018
Goddamn, if only my projected lifespan was as comparatively long as my dick...

I sad. :(

[Anonymous No.1831027]

op is a fag

[Anonymous No.1831029]

>>1831021
Helium 3 is our best and easiest bet right now, not even counting all the other possibilities.

[Anonymous No.1831031]

>>1831021
I can't remember where I posted this, but one of the most disturbing experiences of my childhood was being woken up by the sound of my dad dancing to that in the kitchen, while washing dishes with an apron on.

[Anonymous No.1831033]

>>1831010
>I'm sure the prices would drop astronomically with that much material in the market
>would drop astronomically

[Anonymous No.1831035]

>>1831008
in a weightless environment...

you could stick a satellite next to it and gravity alone could move it

[Anonymous No.1831036]

>>1830993
It's not as simple as collecting valuable minerals = profit.
The cost to get these would be tremendous, and you are assuming you extract it all (a single asteroid)? Extremely dangerous if human labor is used to get it, not to mention more people to pay. This is not something we will see in the near future if it is possible anyway. We have plenty of metals left here on Earth, I do not think we are going to run out before the Sun turns into a red giant. Also it would add to pollution in several ways,
How do you plan to get these? Make them crash into Earth? Bring them somewhere like the ISS? Either way determining who these belong to will be a major issue. If life is common in the universe, extrasolar asteroid captures could potentionally house microbial life that could be catastrophic if brought to Earth.
This does not explain all the money spent on things like the Hubble telescope, even if it somehow worked out.

[Inurdaes !O1lReNv8uc No.1831037]

>>1831015
>but would tapping these things affect the solar system, or at least our area of it?
Around Earth, means we have less meteorites and shit that crash through other shit. So, good.
If we started mining the asteroid belt for our ALL of our required metals and minerals, I believe it would still take billions of years at current consumption levels to chew through even half of it.

[COBRA DANE !!QXKjfP1YZpk No.1831043]

>>1830993
That would destroy the market,and drive mining companies out of business to do cheap raw ore.
Mining that asteroid would bankrupt the company that mined it. Companies would actually pay to you to destroy asteroids like that,by slinging them into Jupiter or The Sun,or rather create lobbies that fight asteroid mining

[Anonymous No.1831045]

>>1831021
>can't unsee gay unicorn drone on mars

[Anonymous No.1831052]

>>1831031
idonthaveareactionimageforthat.jpg

[Anonymous No.1831060]

>>1831013
that wasnt me.

Also, antimatter? LOL
They call me retarded?

Antimatter will never be a reliable source of energy/fuel. But since you all love wikipedia so much, why don't you read up on it instead of having me explain it to you, since you know you've already let wikipedia speak for you.

[Inurdaes !O1lReNv8uc No.1831066]

>>1831036
>The cost to get these would be tremendous, and you are assuming you extract it all (a single asteroid)?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/article4799369.ece
>Extremely dangerous if human labor is used to get it, not to mention more people to pay.
http://topnews.us/content/218598-robots-will-let-astronauts-mine-resources-moon-mars-or-asteroids
>This is not something we will see in the near future if it is possible anyway.
~2040
>We have plenty of metals left here on Earth, I do not think we are going to run out before the Sun turns into a red giant.
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/rare-earth-elements-the-world-is-rapidly-running-out-and
-china-has-most-of-the-remaining-supply
>Also it would add to pollution in several ways
What? Mine in space, process in space, send back down an electric space elevator.
>How do you plan to get these? Make them crash into Earth? Bring them somewhere like the ISS?
See first
>If life is common in the universe, extrasolar asteroid captures could potentionally house microbial life that could be catastrophic if brought to Earth.
I doubt NEO asteroids have harboured microbial life fore over 1 billion years.

[Anonymous No.1831068]

>>1831036
cost to retrieve asteroid: fifty billion dollars.
profit: twenty trillion dollars.

It doesn't matter how much it costs with that kind of profit margin. You could build the spaceship out of diamonds, gold and the skin of people's teeth and still come out ahead.

[Inurdaes !O1lReNv8uc No.1831075]

>>1831060
>Antimatter will never be a reliable source of energy/fuel.
>never

[Anonymous No.1831078]

>>1831068

>>diamonds, gold and the skin of people's teeth
>>skin of people's teeth

LOLWUT

[Anonymous No.1831080]

ITT: high school graduates butthurt about space research being insignificant. Instead of realizing it they start providing science fiction. You guys are acting like religionfags. You can't face the truth.


I've lost enough braincells for one night.

[Anonymous No.1831084]

>>1831043
>That would destroy the market,and drive mining companies out of business to do cheap raw ore.

You lost me; so MINING companies are going to LOSE business because of the projected need for... miners.
Wat.

>Mining that asteroid would bankrupt the company that mined it.
You're implying that companies won't profit whatsoever from mining? Then why would those companies go to mine in the first place if there's no projected profit/benefit?


>Companies would actually pay to you to destroy asteroids like that,by slinging them into Jupiter or The Sun.
You mean like some crazy industrial sabotage...
>or rather create lobbies that fight asteroid mining
... Or have people bitch and moan to Congress/the U.N./Governance of the Future that they should think of the motherfucking space whales/space plants/etc.?

[Anonymous No.1831085]

>>1830963
>I doubt even Tsar Bomba or a megawatt laser pointed right at us would result in a detectable number of photons hitting us 20 light years away.
The way the device works is detection of simultaneous photons. So you are correct that that something like the Tsar Bomba would not trigger the device but a laser can and because in theory you only need two photons the laser does not need to be super powerful. The devices obviously are going to get a lot of false positives.
Anyway google SETI simultaneous photons to find out more.

[Anonymous No.1831086]

>>1831066
>let me post links so i dont have to think for myself
>electric space elevator.
Jesus you are one sad individual...goodnight

[Anonymous No.1831089]

>>1831066
Holy shit I love you right now. Gud linkz.

[Inurdaes !O1lReNv8uc No.1831090]

>>1831080
>these people disagree with me they're dumb

[Anonymous No.1831095]

>>1831090


i lul'd

[Anonymous No.1831103]

>>1831078
It's a phrase meaning "to barely accomplish something."

I.e. "I escaped by the skin of my teeth." I kinda misused it here as a descriptor of rarity. But I guess they could use enamel in the construction. Stuff's pretty hard.

As for retrieving the minerals, we could just hop-scotch it to the moon, then pick it up from there, slap a re-entry parachute on it and dump it into a landing zone. Sure the place will become pummeled, but that's a fair price for those delicious minerals.

[Anonymous No.1831114]

>>1831103

>>implying a moh rating of 5 is sufficient to withstand a space rock made out or corundum

[COBRA DANE !!QXKjfP1YZpk No.1831119]

>>1831084
When you mine something you hope to make a profit.
The more material you mine,the lower the asking price for the material becomes.If you flood the market with 30 million cubic feet of aluminum,your going to drop the price so much that your not going to make back the cost of your operation,thats why you create false demands(like with diamonds),or engage in contract mining(i.e they need x amount over 10 years,so mine that much). Companies would only engage in this sort of space mining if;

a.The material supply on earth is depleted(not likely)
b.The material is not found on earth,but has theoretic value
c.A nation wants a one time contract for an emergency supply of one type of material(like we are doing with rare earths)
d.A state run company wants to devalue the market to hurt another nation(political intrigue!)

But all would be costly.

[Anonymous No.1831120]

>>1831103

[Anonymous No.1831134]

Who fucking cares about space? We need to stop spamming shit into space and focus on poverty.

[Inurdaes !O1lReNv8uc No.1831136]

>>1831119
Then there may be one of two things:
1) The companies DON'T dump a massive amount of x metal on the market, slowly mine it but it's so rare usually that it's still quite profitable
2) Robotic revolution causes transition to autolabor and the current monetary system goes out of fashion

[Anonymous No.1831138]

>>1831119

o hai, you must be new here, LRN2MOHSCALE

[Anonymous No.1831141]

>>1831136


trip code faggot

[Anonymous No.1831143]

>>1831119
How about if we're using it up as quickly as it's produced?

Once we get the tech to run out and grab asteroids, we're going to do it Manifest Destiny style. Explosion of space mining.

[Inurdaes !O1lReNv8uc No.1831152]

>>1831141
On laptop, at family friends etc

[Anonymous No.1831158]

>>1831119
I see. So what you're saying is that in today's economic and political atmosphere, such celestial mining is impossible. I can make sense of that, but are you suggesting that space mining will become the "new oil", in that those that mine it won't profit, but those that refine and direct it will?

No wonder why Marxism was popular 150 years ago.

[COBRA DANE !!QXKjfP1YZpk No.1831170]

>>1831138
explain bro,what about mohs?
>>1831143
The amount of predicted iron-ore in 16 Psyche would be enough to quench current consumption for several million years! I dont see how we could use that much ore just for space travel!
>>1831136
Ok try to pitch that to the investors:

Ok we want to go into space to mine iron ore at a 90 percent cost increase and sell it at market prices!

or

Ok we want to strap some boosters to this asteroid,then threaten to ram in into the earth,and then ask for all the money in the world as a form of ransom!

[Anonymous No.1831172]

>>1831143
>>1831136
>>1831119
>>1831103
>>1831084
>>1831078
>>1831068
>>1831066

Implying capitalism won't collapse before the space age, making all your arguments about the profitability of asteroid mining irrelevant.

Pic related. He is a pretty cool guy who doesn't invest in companies, instead he invests in himself.

[COBRA DANE !!QXKjfP1YZpk No.1831179]

>>1831172
Captalism is the over hope for space travel.
A humanist society would invest its time and resources into resource use reduction,and quality of life advancement.

a IRL Enterprise would be built by a private entity and leased out to a science firm that tests communications technology.

[Anonymous No.1831183]

>>1831179

http://www.thevenusproject.com/

LRNTOBIOLOGY

[Anonymous No.1831193]

>>1831183
>implying the venus project is anything but a dreamland thought up by dreamers who won't do anything.

>>1831170
>lots of iron

We'll build a really, REALLY big spaceship. We could also use the minerals to replenish used up Earth deposits and restore the environment a bit.

[COBRA DANE !!QXKjfP1YZpk No.1831207]

>>1831183
lol. Thats a pipe dream,be real bro,profit motive gave us aircraft and ships,it will give us spacecraft as well.

[Anonymous No.1831210]

> receiving pulses of light
> profitability of mining asteroids

how did that happen

[Inurdaes !O1lReNv8uc No.1831223]

>>1831207
Wrong, it will give us intelligent robots which will give us spaceships and post-scarcity.
Capitalism still is the best system we have so far.

[Anonymous No.1831230]

>>1831223

Objectivism is a far better and more rational system.

[COBRA DANE !!QXKjfP1YZpk No.1831237]

>>1831223
Intelligent machines are potential competitor.
We must not allow their construction at all costs.
Tool users must not create a tool so powerful it negates the need for the user.

[Anonymous No.1831245]

>>1830933
Same guy right?

[Anonymous No.1831246]

>>1831237

Wouldn't the tool become the user at that point?

[Inurdaes !O1lReNv8uc No.1831247]

>>1831237
That is on the assumption that robots once they become more powerful physically and mentally will suddenly have the very primal need to assert dominance over humans and extinguish them. Don't you think that in the engineering of such machines there would be FAILSAFES put in?

[Anonymous No.1831253]

>>1831207 profit motive gave us aircraft and ships
The USSR had no aircraft and ships apparently.

[Anonymous No.1831255]

>>1831247

HAVEN'T YOU SEEN IROBOT FOOL

[Anonymous No.1831260]

>>1831247 there would be FAILSAFES put in.

LOL Failsafes.

[Inurdaes !O1lReNv8uc No.1831261]

>>1831245
Might be, why?

[COBRA DANE !!QXKjfP1YZpk No.1831262]

>>1831247
some things are best kept in books.

say no to thinking machines

[Anonymous No.1831264]

>>1831253
>Implying that threats and patriotism aren't as persuasive as money.

[Inurdaes !O1lReNv8uc No.1831268]

>>1831255
HAVEN'T YOU SEEN 2012 YOU FOOL

[Anonymous No.1831269]

>>1831260
Fucking LOL'd

[Anonymous No.1831280]

>>1831066

>electric space elevator

Oh gosh, how didn't I see it? It's so simple? Hey, how about using magnets for fuel because of perpetual motion?

>you a funny guy, I kill you last

[Inurdaes !O1lReNv8uc No.1831287]

>>1831280
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/article4799369.ece

Japanese? Building A space elevator? It's more likely than you think.

[Anonymous No.1831291]

what we need is to have the UN allow nuclear power to be used in propulsion designs for future space ships.
Then we need our top scientists to design a spacecraft to use the nuclear energy cleanly, safely, and efficiently.
After that they run thousands of simulations based on the dynamics of the vehicle to consider all the forces upon it to make sure it will hold.
Then announce this global project and have it open to the entire world and those who volunteer to help build the ship as free labor may go up into space and join them as the staff that maintains and pilots the ship.
Put the people through training, get the materials from companies around the globe on promise of receiving resources from mined asteroids.
then build the bastard.
Once the New Orion is built, take it halfway between the moon and earth and dropoff/make a halfway station for shipping and rest.
After that, go to orbit the moon and send down a engineering team to start construction on a temporary moon base.
Once manufacturing and mining equipment is ready, mine and build the new compound.
keep digging into the moon and send the materials up to the Orion via maglev technology, that way you dont need fuel.
Once materials are put processed on the Orion for who it goes back to, send a tugboat like ship that hauls all the materials to the midway. People can now take a break and rest on the midway and prepare the materials for where they need to go on reentry.

[Anonymous No.1831293]

Cheapest way for materials to be received on earth would have to be launched at a desolate location where it can parachute down safely.

Midway station crew can then switch shifts with a crew that was previously on board so that way people can take turns.

This process continues until the moon base is self sustaining and can use its maglev system to launch shuttles and have the whole processing system occur on the moon.

Once that is all set and done, Orion heads off to mars.

Mars could have a midway station too, perhaps even multiple ones so that way people wont ahve to wait a year to get from mars to earth and back. just hit the closest midway then hop on over to earth when it swings back around.

Using the materials gathered from earths moons, we could start setting up a space station and mining stations on Mars' two moons. The material mined from these moons could then be given up to the Orion for resupply and the rest launched down to mars (to aid in construction) and earth.

[Anonymous No.1831294]

We go down and start setting up a mars base similar to what we did on the moon only with a much more sophisticated form of transportation to send off and receive shuttles to and from the space station in orbit.

After the number of years doing our business on mars to get settled and functional, its time to send Orion off again. Hopefully by now though, we will have mined and processed enough materials on the moon that we could have developed a frigate construction yard around the midway station between the moon and the earth. Having this place of work going, we could build new vessels for mining the asteroid belt.

With those new age frigates up and running and mining the asteroid field, Orion can head straight onto jupiter where we can finally study Europa and see if there is indeed life in its ocean.

Now, this whole entire system will provide new jobs and even its own currency (credits of course) which can be converted to whatever form needed once arriving on earth.

This will provide jobs. You need miners, engineers, scientists, janitors, business men, doctors, accountants, etc etc.

THIS IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, and its so sad that the world just wont go through with it...

[Anonymous No.1831297]

>>1831262
Well find Arrakis and we can all be mentats.

[Inurdaes !O1lReNv8uc No.1831301]

>>1831297
>>1831262
Ahaha just got that

[GayEmoBetch !.pCLIFaWNg No.1831323]

I guarantee you the moment we find out there is intelligent life from some antiquated telecoms signal from Gliese...Which we won't... signals take far too long to travel inter stellar.

But if we do 50% of Earth's news media will be going butthurt as they realist their god is a myth.

Just like in the Movie First Contact there will be a moment when regular theists go batshit. (More than they are now).

[GayEmoBetch !.pCLIFaWNg No.1831327]

>>1831323
Also non locality is a waaaay better form of communication.

[Anonymous No.1831353]

>>1831297
As a kid I would count those fingers often, they looked like too many.

[Magical Vanilla !HIMEawWsuM No.1831364]

>>1831323
I remember that scene when that religious fundamentalist terrorist bombs the first device. I wanted to unleash my danmaku.

[Anonymous No.1831373]

>>1831323
They'll just dig up a justification.
"If God created us, He created them too! They just don't have souls."
It'll be that or something equally idiotic.

[Anonymous No.1831411]

>>1831323
>50% of Earth's news media
most of the news media is westen. The westen world is pretty secular and progressive in terms of religion with maybe one or two exceptions (im looking at you USA)

[Anonymous No.1831413]

>>1831373

"the universe is so big! what are the odds that we would find life RIGHT NEXT TO US? God wanted us to meet our new brothers and teach them of his ways."

[Anonymous No.1831422]

"They're demons sent here by Satan to test our faith."

[Anonymous No.1831453]

I'm highly doubting this is really an alien civilization trying to contact us.

But we should certainly do everything we can to find out for sure.

Pretty goddamn exciting to think we have a neighboring civilization so nearby. Two light years is still too far for face to face contact, but we could have a conversation at least in our lifetimes.

[Anonymous No.1831454]

>>1831422
Masha-Allah.
I thought I was the only one thought of that, brother.

[Anonymous No.1831460]

>>1831373

The Catholic Church doesn't have a problem with aliens.

Though they say some things like aliens would not be affected by original sin and so should be how Adam & Eve were before the fall.

[Anonymous No.1831663]

>>1830843
>mfw ITT people actually believe in alien life.

Its high time I stopped getting bitch slapped by reality that they might exist, and believe it...

[Anonymous No.1831686]

>>1831460
<.< Aliens are angels in other words?

[Anonymous No.1831711]

>>1831686

nope
adam and eve were nothing but naked dumbfucks. eating and sleeping and fucking.

[Anonymous No.1831713]

>>1831686

nope. just naked and stupid.

[Anonymous No.1831714]

>>1831686
Some believe Jesus was an Alien.

[Anonymous No.1831723]

>>1831714
Turn some into millions.

[Anonymous No.1831729]

>>1831714

infidels does not believe that Allah is an alien.

[Anonymous No.1831734]

>>1831729
Yahweh is better.

[Anonymous No.1831736]

>>1830843
>>This means we'd have an incredibly brief window of time to meet intelligent, biological aliens still living on their homeworld.

If this is true, what makes us think contact with them on THIS planet to be safe? (This is dependent on if we are an environment hospitable for them to live on, of course.)

[Anonymous No.1831739]

So realisticly what are the chances of this being evidence of an intelligent alien spiecies?

[Anonymous No.1831743]

>>1831739
Pulses of light? Doesn't have to be alien or intelligent light to do that in the Universe.

However, those radio signals we got in the 70's, I forget the name of them, those were and are unique to intelligent life... or so we assume.

[Anonymous No.1831746]

>>1831739
Pulses of light? Doesn't have to be alien or intelligent life to do that in the Universe.

However, those radio signals we got in the 70's, I forget the name of them, those were and are unique to intelligent life... or so we assume.

[Anonymous No.1831747]

Pulsars, pulsars everywhere

[Anonymous No.1831756]

>>1831739
You would have to be really self centered and close minded in the first place to think that in this vast universe we live in there is NO CHANCE of any other intelligent life.

According to those scientists, that planet is the most Earth like they have ever seen.

There is a good chance there was/is/will be.

[Anonymous No.1831757]

>And Dr Steven Vogt who led the study at the University of California, Santa Cruz, today said that he was '100 per cent sure ' that there was life on the planet.

Shit just got real

[Anonymous No.1831765]

>>1831739
It turn out to be a huge chunk of magnets moving in funny directions by natural means.

[Anonymous No.1831767]

We made a mistake. That is the simple, undeniable truth of the matter, however painful it might be. The flaw was not in our Observatories, for those machines were as perfect as we could make them, and they showed us only the unfiltered light of truth. The flaw was not in the Predictor, for it is a device of pure, infallible logic, turning raw data into meaningful information without the taint of emotion or bias. No, the flaw was within us, the Orchestrators of this disaster, the sentients who thought themselves beyond such failings. We are responsible.

[Anonymous No.1831770]

>>1831767
It began a short while ago, as these things are measured, less than 6^6 Deeli ago, though I suspect our systems of measure will mean very little by the time anyone receives this transmission. We detected faint radio signals from a blossoming intelligence 2^14 Deelis outward from the Galactic Core, as photons travel. At first crude and unstructured, these leaking broadcasts quickly grew in complexity and strength, as did the messages they carried. Through our Observatories we watched a world of strife and violence, populated by a barbaric race of short-lived, fast breeding vermin. They were brutal and uncultured things which stabbed and shot and burned each other with no regard for life or purpose. Even their concepts of Art spoke of conflict and pain. They divided themselves according to some bizarre cultural patterns and set their every industry to cause of death.

They terrified us, but we were older and wiser and so very far away, so we did not fret. Then we watched them split the atom and breach the heavens within the breadth of one of their single, short generations, and we began to worry. When they began actively transmitting messages and greetings into space, we felt fear and horror. Their transmissions promised peace and camaraderie to any who were listening, but we had watched them for too long to buy into such transparent deceptions. They knew we were out here, and they were coming for us.

[Anonymous No.1831773]

>>1831770
The Orchestrators consulted the Predictor, and the output was dire. They would multiply and grow and flood out of their home system like some uncountable tide of Devourer worms, consuming all that lay in their path. It might take 6^8 Deelis, but they would destroy us if left unchecked. With aching carapaces we decided to act, and sealed our fate.

The Gift of Mercy was 8^4 strides long with a mouth 2/4 that in diameter, filled with many 4^4 weights of machinery, fuel, and ballast. It would push itself up to 2/8th of light speed with its onboard fuel, and then begin to consume interstellar Primary Element 2/2 to feed its unlimited acceleration. It would be traveling at nearly light speed when it hit. They would never see it coming. Its launch was a day of mourning, celebration, and reflection. The horror of the act we had committed weighed heavily upon us all; the necessity of our crime did little to comfort us.

The Gift had barely cleared the outer cometary halo when the mistake was realized, but it was too late. The Gift could not be caught, could not be recalled or diverted from its path. The architects and work crews, horrified at the awful power of the thing upon which they labored, had quietly self-terminated in droves, walking unshielded into radiation zones, neglecting proper null pressure safety or simple ceasing their nutrient consumption until their metabolic functions stopped. The appalling cost in lives had forced the Orchestrators to streamline the Gift’s design and construction. There had been no time for the design or implementation of anything beyond the simple, massive engines and the stabilizing systems.

We could only watch in shame and horror as the light of genocide faded into infrared against the distant void.

[Anonymous No.1831775]

>>1831773
They grew, and they changed, in a handful of lifetimes they abolished war, abandoned their violent tendencies and turned themselves to the grand purposes of life and Art. We watched them remake first themselves, and then their world. Their frail, soft bodies gave way to gleaming metals and plastics, they unified their people through an omnipresent communications grid and produced Art of such power and emotion, the likes of which the Galaxy has never seen before, or again, because of us.

They converted their home world into a paradise (by their standards) and many 10^6s of them poured out into the surrounding system with a rapidity and vigor that we could only envy. With bodies built to survive every environment from the day lit surface of their innermost world, to the atmosphere of their largest gas giant and the cold void in-between, they set out to sculpt their system into something beautiful. At first we thought them simple miners, stripping the rocky planets and moons for vital resources, but then we began to see the purpose to their constructions, the artworks carved into every surface, and traced across the system in glittering lights and dancing fusion trails. And still, our terrible Gift approached.

[Anonymous No.1831777]

>>1831775
They had less than 2^2 Deeli to see it, following so closely on the tail of its own light. In that time, oh so brief even by their fleeting lives, more than 10^10 sentients prepared for death. Lovers exchanged last words, separated by worlds and the tyranny of light speed. Their planet-side engineers worked frantically to build sufficient transmission infrastructure to upload the countless masses with the necessary neural modifications, while those above dumped lifetimes of music and literature from their databanks to make room for passengers. Those lacking the required hardware or the time to acquire it consigned themselves to death, lashed out in fear and pain, or simply went about their lives as best they could under the circumstances.

The Gift arrived suddenly, the light of its impact visible in our skies, shining bright and cruel even to the un-augmented ocular receptor. We watched and we wept for our victims, dead so many Deelis before the light of their doom had even reached us. Many 6^4s of those who had been directly or even tangentially involved in the creation of the Gift sealed their spiracles with paste as a final penance for the small roles they had played in this atrocity. The light dimmed, the dust cleared, and our Observatories refocused upon the place where their shining blue world had once hung in the void, and found only dust and the pale gleam of an orphaned moon, wrapped in a thin, burning wisp of atmosphere that had once belonged to its parent.

[Anonymous No.1831779]

>>1830843
>University of Western Sydney

2007 Australian University Rankings from the Melbourne Institute

University Index
Australian National University 100
University of Melbourne 95
University of Sydney 93
University of Queensland 84
University of New South Wales 81
Monash University 75
University of Western Australia 68
University of Adelaide 63
Macquarie University 56
Queensland University of Technology 53
University of Wollongong 52
La Trobe University 52
University of Newcastle 51
University of Tasmania 50
Griffith University 50
University of Technology,Sydney 49
Curtin University of Technology 48
Flinders University 48
Murdoch University 47
RMIT University 46
University of South Australia 46
Deakin University 45
University of New England 45
>University of Western Sydney 44
James Cook University 44
Swinburne University of Technology 43
Southern Cross University 41
University of Canberra 41
Victoria University 41
Australian Catholic University 40
Charles Sturt University 40
University of Southern Queensland 38
University of Ballarat 38
University of the Sunshine Coast 38
Edith Cowan University 37
Charles Darwin University 30
Central Queensland University 30

[Anonymous No.1831780]

>>1831777
Radiation and relativistic shrapnel had wiped out much of the inner system, and continent sized chunks of molten rock carried screaming ghosts outward at interstellar escape velocities, damned to wander the great void for an eternity. The damage was apocalyptic, but not complete, from the shadows of the outer worlds, tiny points of light emerged, thousands of fusion trails of single ships and world ships and everything in between, many 10^6s of survivors in flesh and steel and memory banks, ready to rebuild. For a few moments we felt relief, even joy, and we were filled with the hope that their culture and Art would survive the terrible blow we had dealt them. Then came their message, tightly focused at OUR star, transmitted simultaneously by hundreds of their ships.

“We know you are out there, and we are coming for you.”

!MESSAGE ENDS

[Anonymous No.1831787]

>>1831779
> the Melbourne Institute
elitist wankers

[Anonymous No.1831800]

>>1831767
>>1831770
>>1831773
>>1831775
>>1831777
>>1831780
Sauce?

[Anonymous No.1831801]

>>1831787
Aye dazza, them wankers thinkin' they're better then the Aussie battlers like us down 'ere eh?
Fucking UWS bogans.

[Anonymous No.1831807]

>>1830843
HOW SERIOUS IS THIS SHIT GUYS? SERIOUSLY?

[Anonymous No.1831812]

>>1831801
I dont even know what the hell you're trying to say.

[Anonymous No.1831819]

>>1831800
>Sauce?

Your future.

[Anonymous No.1831823]

>>1831812
thatsthejoke.jpg
Extremely exaggerated bogan language.

[Anonymous No.1831826]

>>1831823
what part of the country?

[Babelyy !!qmyvakV6xWy No.1831836]

Sounds like a good movie.

Some other lonely alien life out there is looking for friends like we are, but we get their signal long after they destroyed themselves just like we probably will, so by the time another alien planet gets our signal or finds our Pioneer plaque floating in space, we will have already been long dead.

[Anonymous No.1831946]

This planet is more more a few light years away, yes it is close on a relative level but there is no way that humans will reach this planet. We have no faster than light speed travel and unless there we are close to a paradime shift in our understanding of the universe it is more than safe to asume that faster than light speed travel is impossible. All these ideas about physical contact with aleins are meaningless unless there is a way of travelling faster than light.
Even if we discover an advanced alein race on some other planet, if lightspeed is still the limit then any commuication that we have with them will have lag spanning multiple years and probably even millenia.
The only extratessestrial life that we will experirence in our lifetimes will be on planets amougst our own solar system and derived from earth.

[Anonymous No.1832409]

>>1831946

lol

[Anonymous No.1832511]

>>1831013
Ihave bad news for your internet-penis size...

I am not who you think you are replying to.

[Anonymous No.1832526]

>>1831800

/tg/. Insecure white neckbeard syndrome + huge Warhammer 40k fandom = HUMANITY, FUCK YEAH!

[Anonymous No.1832543]

We are such pussies. In the olden days we would have built a huge radio antenna, directed a signal at Gliese 581 and sent them prime numbers and captain janeway porn.

[Anonymous No.1832775]

>>1832543
Seriously, what's the harm in sending them a few prime numbers? We have oodles to spare! We're nice guys, we can share!

[Anonymous No.1832791]

If tHey're lIke the Daleks in Doctor Who, they'll figure out a way to Come back... someHow they always come back...

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