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If there is a God and an afterlife, then none of this is real, and as such does not matter.
If there is no God and no afterlife, and this is the only form of reality, then you will be dead within a century and none of this matters.

Submit to nothing.
Life is fleeting.
Don't spend it in fear.

>> No.1820297

or spend it in fear of what could happen and shape a better future for the next generation instead of being selfish and only fearing for yourself.

>> No.1820296

>dont spend it in fear

Spending it in apathy is soooo much better? You completely miss the meaning of life.

Pursue worthy goals.

>> No.1820298

Well what you wrote can be summarized in one word, nihilism, but cool picture. Saving it.

>> No.1820304

>>1820296
Who are you to say what is the meaning of life. You have no more authority than OP.

>> No.1820314

>>1820304
Actually, I do. I'm telling you to pursue worthy goals. That is entirely subjective. Do what makes you happy.

>> No.1820322

>>1820314
Oh I can agree. However, people have different meanings of happiness. Someone like OP might find entertainment in nihilist philosophy. And so on and so forth. It is entirely subjective.

>> No.1820325
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>>1820296

you will never be an adherent to Albert Camus or absurdist philosophy.

:(

>> No.1820333

Carl Sagan sums the meaning of life:

"We are a way for the Cosmos to know itself."

so..

without us the universe would be stupid and random

Keep on learning, my friends.

>> No.1820347

A life with a void of meaning is a void that is waiting to be filled by sentient life. If life reaches sentience, they may assign their own meaning to existence.
Long story short, life is what you make it.

>> No.1820357

>>1820333
The universe would not be "stupid and random" the universe would be exactly as it is. Also, this "without us" talk. We are a way for the cosmos to know itself, meaning I'm just as much a part of the natural world as the rocks outside my window. We are matter that has become self aware and we are now able to observe and study the very matter and universe that we are and are part of. We're essentially the universe's self observing matter.

>> No.1820360

>>1820347
>This is actually rather intelligent.

>> No.1820364

>>1820304
He and OP have exactly the same amount of authority on a subjective non-defined topic (their authority is subjectively absolute.)

>> No.1820376

God:

You're good: Go to heaven, spend eternity worshiping.
You're bad: Go to hell, tortured for an eternity.


No god:
Cease to exist on death.
or
Exist as a disembodied consciousness that would be on par with eternal torture.


No matter what, you're fucked when you die. There is no good end. Enjoy life while you can.

>> No.1820378

>>1820296
apathy could be considered a response of fear. I've always defined laziness as a fear of involvement and that simplifies a lot about human behavior and to extend it even further you could define ignorance and apathy as automated products of that laziness/fear.

>> No.1820382

>>1820376
>Cease to exist on death.

Well you'll hardly be troubled upon dying now will you?

>> No.1820390

>>1820382

That's the best of the options, yes.

>> No.1820392

>>1820390
im pretty sure if you spend your whole life worshiping a god and find out hes real on death worshiping him some more isnt going to really bother you, especially since he's letting you stay at his sweet pad

>> No.1820401

>>1820376

As an atheist, I can safely look forward to ceasing to exist.

Can't suffer without a nervous system =D

>> No.1820403

>>1820392

Would anyone truly be happy spending an eternity worshiping someone who will gladly dismiss you to damnation if you decide to stop?

We got rid of monarchies for a reason.

>> No.1820408

>>1820403
is that really the idea everyone gets? he doesnt gladly dismiss you, he gives you a chance at eternal life and you can either accept or decline

>> No.1820407

>>1820401
That is a pretty awesome thing, until you remember, when you die, bacteria and other creatures turn it back into living organisms. You are alive forever.

>> No.1820420

>>1820408
That's a nice fantasy, but it doesn't change we humans created the idea. Weather or not it is true is up for speculation. I would love to cling onto that idea as if it were real but I can't, I tried. I am a born atheist.

>> No.1820421

Heaven would have been a good idea if god wasn't portrayed to be such a jerk. I mean, the sex would probably be limited, and all our god-given dirty thoughts would immediately be picked out by Big Brother.

Damn, I'm glad that doesn't exist outside my nightmares.

>> No.1820423

>>1820408

At the cost of free will.

>> No.1820432

>>1820408

I'd reserve the right to euthanize when I get bored

>> No.1820438
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>>1820421
I like the old shamanistic views on a potential afterlife, no big brother, just after this life we have the chance to learn more on top of what we have learned here, eventually making it to summer land, and beyond. Essentially having the chance to become gods in our own right of any degree we work towards.

Me if this happens, I will become a being of no moral boundaries, and have a lust for power.

>> No.1820446

>>1820423
>he believes in free will and not predetermination based on cause-and-effect sequences happening since the big bang

>> No.1820450

>>1820421
in my nightmares i get eaten from the inside by swarms of carnivorous beetles, and you have nightmares about heaven?

>> No.1820452

>>1820446

If you want to play it that way, then all life is pointless. Doesn't make it any more cheerful.

>> No.1820454

>>1820452
it has to be cheerful? emotions are decided, how you decide to look at things effects how you feel about them,

>> No.1820458

>>1820450
He ain't alone, not all of us are holy creatures. I come from a family of murdering siblings and batshit insane mother, and father who would love to kill anyone that made his taxes go higher, he luuuvs money! I am the nicest of the family, I go out of my way to help others at no reward for my self, but I am still a demon, no matter what I do.

Sometimes, you just gotta accept, you have free will to do what you want with yourself, but some part of you is still evil. To some of us anyway.

I share those dreams of ever meeting a god, for my judgment would be great, no matter how I played out my life.

>> No.1820464

>>1820446
Godly Prejudice and Justice knows the free-will of individuals before they happen -- and thus creates the universe in such a shape that it can logically happen -- as logic is dependent on shapes and relationship.

>> No.1820467

>>1820458

Morality is subjective.

>> No.1820469

>>1820458
Your intentions must be pure. You can do anything with pure intention -- including ending life.

>> No.1820473

>>1820469
Well I suppose, I just think my subconscious loves to freak me out with creepy dreams about afterlife.

>> No.1820475

>>1820469
so um... after you died in the matrix did you just come here?

>> No.1820487

>>1820475
I chose to come here because things are going to change very quickly. Your entertainment is built so that you would associate ideas that come across you as silly. The only thing that is serious is money and death. Birds of a feather flock together, and that's why its best to make the new feather look silly.

Its a threat to national security to not believe in death.

>> No.1820502

>>1820487
im sorry but it is too late for this, idk what you just said and im going to hit the hay

>> No.1820509

>>1820487
I know we're border lining full retard discussing this, but I just think you stepped over the line.

>> No.1820598

>>1820458
>implying there is such a thing as evil
There is no cosmic reality.