Dat Tier List

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Dat Tier List Anonymous Mon Sep 27 17:46:18 2010 No.1812292 [Reply] [Original]

I think we need a way to quantify this chart, so we can put things in their proper tiers. The way I see it, there are a few different factors that could influence a certain degree's placement, such as the amount of time it takes to earn said degree (For example, it normally takes 8 years of higher education for an MD or PhD). That factor also brings the next question; Will a degree hold any value if you *only* get a BS/BA? An example for that would be the following: 4 year degree in engineering/CS? Enjoy your job. 4 year degree in African American Studies? Enjoy McDonald's.

Other such contributing factors would be average starting salary, average mid-career salary, and more importantly, how useful to humanity a particular field is. Less important ones would be a particular person's age, and if they are likely to get married and procreate or not.

What say you, /sci/? How should we quantify this? Let's make a general formula to plug in any degree to find its tier.

(By the way, this is the original troll chart. dealwithit.gif)

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 17:48:18 2010 No.1812304 How can there be a god tier if there is no god? Checkmate aatheists

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 17:49:18 2010 No.1812315 >>1812304 LOL

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 17:50:18 2010 No.1812322

I actually agree with the troll chart to a acceptable degree. I'm a Mechanical Engineer, and I defiantly see that at God Tier.

Some years ago Computer Science would have been at Top Tier, but every single retart now goes into CS, so Top Tier is fairly generous.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 17:51:18 2010 No.1812325 File: 243 KB, 1070x898, 1271963969207.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 17:53:18 2010 No.1812338 >>1812325 Disregard females. Acquire currency.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 17:53:18 2010 No.1812339 >>1812325 >Implying money doesn't buy bitches and sex >Where inverse of sex=money

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 17:53:18 2010 No.1812342 >>1812325 I don't know dude the medics here are pretty much fucking everyone when they aren't passed out in pools of vomit. Those hypocrites drink a fuck ton.

>>	noko Mon Sep 27 17:54:18 2010 No.1812348 astronomer here disregard females fuck universe instead

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 17:57:18 2010 No.1812361 >>1812325 Oil company piping designer here disregard females fuck 24" oil supply lines instead

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 17:58:18 2010 No.1812366

>>1812348
OP here. Let that be your preference (I would also fuck the universe don't get me wrong). I think it would be best if personal enjoyment was left out of the equation. For example, I could say, "Oh, I think I want to get a degree in physics as I would enjoy it very much. However, I only want to go to school for 6 years. Let me see what tier that puts me in."

Same applies for philosophy, CS, mathematics, etc.

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 17:58:18 2010 No.1812369

>>1812348

yeah have fun with your fucking HR diagrams and your fucking standard candles all of which will be proven complete BS in 50 years with the discovery of some new AGN or supernovae shit. how about you start contributing to society and stop wasting money on HURR DURR I PHOTOGRAPHED A NEW HOT JUPITER 300000 PARSECS AWAY GIMME ANOTHER 30 MILLION DOLLARS you stupid faggot motherfuckers?

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 17:59:18 2010 No.1812373

This chart greatly undervalues life sciences. Biology is the basis of medicine, and it is the fastest-growing science in the world. The entire future of humanity depends entirely on research in genetics, and depending on how we go about things our race could swing in drastically different ways.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:01:18 2010 No.1812381 >>1812373 more money should go into life science research and condensed matter physics and medical physics research. fuck particle and theoretical physics. the shit they're doing these days are completely fucking useless

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Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:02:18 2010 No.1812386

>>1812373
>and it is the fastest-growing science in the world

Thanks to all the "pre-med" kids contaminating a legitimate academic field. I personally rage whenever I see someone major in something other than the fact that they are truly interested in the field.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:02:44 2010 No.1812387 File: 13 KB, 377x371, Ernie.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1812373 Wait wait wait. So your saying this chart, which puts medicine in God Tier, is undervaluing medicine?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:03:18 2010 No.1812391 File: 165 KB, 600x800, Untitled.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1812342 medics are retards

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:03:18 2010 No.1812394 File: 11 KB, 247x204, 1281982887502.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1812385 life sciences faggot detected

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:05:18 2010 No.1812402

>>1812381

Damn straight.

HEY LOOK GUYS AFTER DECADES OF WORK AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WE THEORIZE THAT THERE MAY BE A POSSIBILITY OF THERE BEING A CHANCE OF US HAVING AN INKLING THAT THEORETICALLY PARTICLE "A" MAY SOMETIMES ACT LIKE PARTICLE "B." OF COURSE THIS IS ALL SPECULATIVE. WHAT THE FUCK IS APPLICATION?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:05:18 2010 No.1812404 >>1812391 engineers are the ones that make shit happen faggot

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:05:18 2010 No.1812405 sure is >"my opinion is better than yours" in here

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:05:18 2010 No.1812407 >tiers

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:07:18 2010 No.1812416

>>1812386

You misinterpreted me. I don't me in terms of researchers in the field. I mean in terms of the growth of knowledge base. We learned everything about Biology in an incredibly short time. Biology classes in schools are actually observably growing in required course material *per year*. that means that almost every year there is something new to teach.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:08:18 2010 No.1812419 >>1812407 Ouch, looks like someone can't find a tier in which his/her field is Top/High Tier or higher.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:08:18 2010 No.1812423 The quantification as proposed by the OP is inherently biased towards engineers.

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:10:18 2010 No.1812434

>>1812405

more like fundamental rules of the universe that apply everywhere >> value-laden human opinions

that's the whole point of this tier list, the higher up you go, the less opinionated things become.

don't believe me? compare english and chinese math textbooks at the same level. see how much difference there is.

now try comparing an english literature textbook to a chinese literature textbook, see if you can find any similarity.

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:11:18 2010 No.1812437

>>1812423
Not necessarily. Anyone graduating with an engineering degree is going into a very flooded field (especially as of late) to do work that is generally considered boring, and is not beneficial to humanity 90% of the time, and to not make an extraordinarily high salary. Not to mention the dicks.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:12:18 2010 No.1812451 >>1812404 butthurt engineer detected

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:14:18 2010 No.1812459 >>1812437 Actually "Engineering", as proposed by OP, has MANY sub-divisions. We could make a tiered chart of just professions in "Engineering" Additionally, within these tiers, many are not flooded at all and are still in high demand.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:14:18 2010 No.1812460 >>1812451 why do engineers need to be butthurt when everything ever part of your body touches is engineering?

CerpinTaxt Mon Sep 27 18:14:18 2010 No.1812461
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>>1812434
>Implying that physics is how the universe functions and that nature does math.
You're confusing the territory for the map.

Philosophy of some sort of the other underlies every single branch of science on that list and to not have philosophy at the top displays an incredible amount of ignorance.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:16:18 2010 No.1812467 >>1812460 >implying a vagina is engineerd

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:17:18 2010 No.1812473 Someone who has both a good mind and a good personality here. Regard everything. Live eclectic and worthwhile life.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:19:18 2010 No.1812482 >>1812461 Do not try to state that mathematics is based on philosophy. That is not currently, nor has it ever, nor will it ever, be true. Also, philosophy is based on chemistry and biology.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:20:18 2010 No.1812488 >>1812467 your bitch's vjj would hang lose like sleeve of wizard and be all hairy and bloody and shit without engineering, just like her boobs fool.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:21:18 2010 No.1812490 File: 33 KB, 407x559, GodfreyKneller-IsaacNewton-1689[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] U mad engineers?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:21:18 2010 No.1812495 File: 53 KB, 600x600, Albert_Einstein[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Engineers, U mad?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:22:18 2010 No.1812496 >>1812461 >implying nature does philosophy

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:23:18 2010 No.1812505 File: 4 KB, 123x125, kylehydeface.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Musicfag here. Does "Shit tier" also apply to classical courses? If so, pic related.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:23:18 2010 No.1812509 File: 17 KB, 445x331, einstein violin.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1812495 looks like you're shit tier you fucking jew u butt hurt hitler whacked all you filthy pigs?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:24:18 2010 No.1812511 >>1812495 >>1812490 I think they might just be greedy, only pursuing a career for monetary benefits.

CerpinTaxt Mon Sep 27 18:25:18 2010 No.1812515

>>1812482
I will not make that claim. However, logic belongs to philosophy and logic has been shown to be able to produce mathematics, such as set theory.

There is a philosophy of Biology
There is a philosophy of Physics
There is a philosophy of Cognitive Science

The Scientific method is a philosophical construct. Philosophy is what we use to come up with ideas which underly how we interact with the world.

Questions such as, "Is the metaphor 'the brain is like a computer' a suitable one?" cannot be answered by math or physics or computer science, yet this question is of monumental concert for people working in artificial intelligence. This is just one of countless examples.

From my observations, people who bash philosophy have never taken a philosophy course and are ignorant of what philosophy actually is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:25:18 2010 No.1812517 >>1812509 He can't read this. He died a long time ago.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:26:18 2010 No.1812521 >>1812509 lol is that shopped?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:26:18 2010 No.1812522 File: 17 KB, 414x231, feynman.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] U mad, engineers?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:27:18 2010 No.1812526 File: 32 KB, 480x360, retard alert.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1812391 Next time you happen to be lucky enough to have your life saved by an MD, show them your chart.

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:28:18 2010 No.1812527

>>1812515
I studied, for a brief period, philosophy at Oxford, before giving it up. There are no philosophy classes anymore that surpass that of book recital.

(((Except, of course, political philosophy and the like! Then you don't even read books; you simply chat!)))

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:28:18 2010 No.1812529 File: 417 KB, 1100x754, Untitled.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] y u mad?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:28:18 2010 No.1812531 >>1812522 HOLY SHIT FUCKING SAVED

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:29:18 2010 No.1812533 >>1812515 The only relevant philosophy concept is the concept of a unit. However, it can be argued that the unit originated in mathematics and then went to logic in philosophy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:30:18 2010 No.1812543 >>1812529 Uh... wat?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:30:18 2010 No.1812545 >Astronomy >God tier What the fuck? It is not only impossible to get a job in astronomy, but you also contribute absolutely nothing to society. You would be contributing more to society as a fucking accounting major

CerpinTaxt Mon Sep 27 18:30:18 2010 No.1812546

>>1812496
Um, we exist and are part of what would be considered nature [I used the word nature in my post as interchangeable with "reality"] and we are certainly doing philosophy, so nature, in some way or another, is doing philosophy.

What I mean by nature doesn't do math is that when an object collides with another object, the calculations of momentum, force, etc. aren't being performed so that the result may be known, they just happen. Humans just happen to have a system we've created called math [+physics] which accurately predicts how objects interact. Us coming up with these ideas do not cause these ideas to dictate how reality functions but merely are useful in explaining things.

This is why I brought up the map--territory relation. The "Map" we use of reality can be physics, but the "territory" certainly isn't

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:30:18 2010 No.1812548 File: 223 KB, 1200x1651, tree.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Oh hey all you faggot tiers, bet you never heard of Information/Library Science, that's because we're too busy working. Pic related, it's us information scientists being awesome.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:31:18 2010 No.1812549 >>1812529 The fuck? You do realize that engineers were the ones behind the plans for those buildings; we'd be screwed without engineering. But I do agree that a world without scientists would be shitastic.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:31:18 2010 No.1812552 >>1812545 >implying knowledge for the sake of knowledge is not contributing to society

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:34:18 2010 No.1812564 File: 125 KB, 400x510, albert-einstein.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1812509

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:35:18 2010 No.1812566 >>1812545 Replace the word Astronomy with anything in shit-tier. Realize now that astronomy is at the very least pretty damn cool.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:35:18 2010 No.1812568 >>1812545 have fun when a fucking asteroid will wipe out all of humanity you gigantic faggot

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CerpinTaxt Mon Sep 27 18:39:18 2010 No.1812577

In this thread:
>implying the worth of a profession is how much money you can make off it
>implying that building bigger and fancier things makes us better people
>implying that money even is ontologically real

Enjoy your high paying jobs that don't really contribute anything to society. While I'll be gaining a greater appreciation for people and animals every day while constantly challenging my mind with philosophy.

Also, I'm a Maths major.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:39:18 2010 No.1812582 ive seen like 20 variants of that exact tier pic

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:40:18 2010 No.1812585

can we round up and kill all the literature fags and musicians of the world? they're so fucking useless it makes me rage.

WHAT WOULD WE MISS IF WE KILL ALL THE LITERATURE FAGS OF THE WORLD?

the answer to that question is simple: what have you so far missed by not reading any of the fucking literature shit of any other fucking country other than english? NOTHING, absolutely fucking nothing.

what the fuck have you missed by not listening to gay ethnic music from say africa or india or china ever? nothing, absolutely nothing. 99% of music and literature are fucking pointless as fuck. languages are merely tools for communicating with fellow scientists and engineers, and music is merely a tool that facilitates language learning at an early age. when was the last time a fucking piece of art or music increased the average lifespan of humans or improved intercontinental travel speed? NEVER. fucking pointless endeavors like these should be motherfucking banned by the government so people can't waste money on useless shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:41:18 2010 No.1812591 >>1812585 Music and literature gives people entertainment.

>>	CerpinTaxt Mon Sep 27 18:42:18 2010 No.1812594 File: 8 KB, 352x240, 1275880182598.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1812585 >implying that increasing average lifespan necessarily makes us live happier more enriched lives.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:42:18 2010 No.1812600 >>1812585 >1984

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:42:18 2010 No.1812602 >>1812591 There is currently more music and literature in existence than any person would ever need. Same goes for visual arts. In all three categories are incredible varieties and genres.

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Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:44:18 2010 No.1812605

I'm not going to rate any of these fields as I, like you, don't really know jack shit about them. Learning is always good and I'd be happy to study any of these fields. There are no shit tiers. Well, maybe theology. I can explain. Take everything theologians have ever produced and think if that would be instantly wiped out from our current knowledge. How would our life change? What wouldn't we know? Nothing of value would be lost. We would actually gain as a BUNCH of trees would be instantly saved.

But back to my main point. It is not about the subject, it is about what you do with it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:44:18 2010 No.1812606 >>1812603 >>1812576 CS fag detected. Enjoy your programming job and sitting behind a desk for 40 years. I'll be over here (insert activities of a field that isn't boring as fuck).

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:45:18 2010 No.1812613

>>1812568

yeah like you fucking astrofags would be able to do shit against an impending E.L.E.

like you fucking astrofags wouldn't go crying to the physics and engineering fags

like you fucking astrofags are actually studying the solar system these days and not wasting time and money looking for shit that's at least 100k parsecs away asking pointless as fuck questions such as "HURR are AGNs a primary source of cosmic rayz" or "DURR is the andromeda galaxy going to crash into our semen way in 4 billion years or 2 billion years?"

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:45:18 2010 No.1812618

>>1812585
>>1812591

People who major in literature hardly ever produce anything good, they work in retail. People who have experienced awesome things and have amazing lives sit down at some point and write literature. Litfags who emo/hipster their way about don't have anything interesting to say.

Any well informed person knows that literature, music and the arts are useful and enjoyable. But any well informed person knows that someone majoring in these areas (especially in the joke that is the modern education) isn't going to produce anything of value.

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:47:18 2010 No.1812623

>>1812594

have you read any shit from the OMFG 5000-year rich chinese treasure trove of literature shit?

are you contemplating suicide? why not?

now try living a day without fucking engineering, see if you don't freeze your fucking ass to death, you faggot. you won't even HAVE books to read without science and engineering

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:48:18 2010 No.1812626

>>1812606
You are implying that all CS majors go to work in the industry. Not true at all. You are mixing software engineering and computer science.
Theoretical computer science student -fag here. Though I will be doing my masters in computational science.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:49:18 2010 No.1812632 >>1812577 Completely agree with this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:50:18 2010 No.1812635 >>1812623 >implying science and engineering are needed to learn basic penmenship, formulate a thought or bind books >implying without science and engineering the sun will stop working

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:50:18 2010 No.1812637 >>1812626 >Theoretical CS Fine. Enjoy teaching Theoretical CS. Also enjoy teaching people how to program. Either way, it's still boring as fuck. What's the matter? Couldn't handle a real mathematics degree?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:51:18 2010 No.1812640 ITT implying

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:51:18 2010 No.1812641

>>1812618

>Any well informed person knows that literature, music and the arts are useful and enjoyable

yeah like drugs, theme parks and video games. literature needs to be taken off the primary curriculum and re-established as an elective. language should be learned from an applied approach - proficiency in scientific writing should be compulsory, people can pursue redundant artsy writing in their own free time

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Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:53:18 2010 No.1812652

>>1812613
>implying being able to engineer faggot electronics would save you from an asteroid

>implying an astrophysicist wouldnt be able to do the maths to launch a nuclear warhead and deviate the asteroid

>implying studying antimatter, dark energy and ftl travel arent the most important thing humanity should focus on

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:55:18 2010 No.1812656 >>1812635 oh yeah? what are you gonna write on faggot? what are you gonna write with, faggot? how are you gonna bind shit, faggot? how are you gonna make multiple copies and distribute your shit, faggot?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:56:18 2010 No.1812660 >>1812656 With engineering, DUH.

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:57:18 2010 No.1812667

>>1812641

I'm the guy you quoted and I agree completely. I've met some stuck up professors/authors/publishers in academia that truly believe that things like children's literature is essential to a society and without it we would all be drolling morons lacking morals. It makes me want to throw up.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:57:18 2010 No.1812670 File: 167 KB, 500x500, 1282164710128.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1812656

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:58:18 2010 No.1812673 I don't see any of you making progress by calling each other useless.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:58:18 2010 No.1812674 File: 109 KB, 783x377, 1282943260930.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >mfw when physicists will be traveling to stars and harvesting fucking fusion energy while engineers will be creating faggot stuff

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:59:18 2010 No.1812681

Goddamnit, /sci/. When will you at least appreciate culture?

I'm a prospective English teacher. I won't claim culture is absolutely more important than the pragmatic solutions things like engineering offer, but that's why I'll make $40,000 and the engineer will make $65,000. There's nothing to be mad about.

Salary aside, things like music and literature are far from worthless. Humanities type pursuits engender a society with a sense of identity and heritage. Go read a book, it might help you appreciate other perspectives more.

It's as if a lit major raped this guy's mother, for chrissake.

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:59:18 2010 No.1812683

>>1812637
Aww, now you're just teasing me ;-)

People who research programming languages or operating systems or compilers and so on are the ones who teach new students to program. I probably won't end up doing that, but it sounds fun. Maybe I'll work as a course assistant and teach them while I study.

Of course it is boring. To some. Everything is boring to someone.

For the last question: I don't know. Probably. I really haven't look into it. I just don't feel that special tingle below my belly button with pure math as I do with the computational stuff. If this ever changes I will let you know.

>>	econguy !!d2Pzyp675d3 Mon Sep 27 19:00:18 2010 No.1812684 File: 11 KB, 526x289, tags.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] seriously? You guys still post this shit?

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 19:01:18 2010 No.1812690

>>1812641
What the hell is wrong with you?

People are not robots. For whatever reason, human beings need to find emotional outlets for themselves. Getting rid of all forms of individual expression in favour of being scientifically progressive is pathetic. What is the point of moving forward in society if we're all emotionally retarded? Just for the bragging rights? There are problems you cannot solve with numbers.

There are two sides to the brain. Are you saying we just let one side of the brain rot just because you see one side as more functional?

Secondly, why do I never see these threads on /lit/? It seems the emotionally invested artists have angry complicated rants against science. But I read them all the time here?

Why so mad, /sci/? It's awfully illogical.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 19:01:18 2010 No.1812691 >>1812674 >mfw if you switch that around it'll be correct Protip: engineers are sent into space, not scientists

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 19:01:18 2010 No.1812694 >>1812656 they laugh at the ignorance of those who never read shakespeare yet they themselves can't give a proper description of newton's second law, which is the physics equivalent of not being able to sing the ABC song.

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 19:03:18 2010 No.1812709

>>1812683
Yes, a small percentage of computer science graduates will end up with a respectable job dealing with complexity theory, and some will end up in academia researching theoretical CS. But 90% of CS graduates go into programming or sysadmin, in which case, see >>1812606

(seriously though, power to you if you find that stuff interesting. I dropped it like it was hot once I got into the upper level classes)

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 19:04:18 2010 No.1812712 >>1812694 yeah, you're pulling that right out of your ass. stop making stuff up to make humanities professors look bad, chochbag.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 19:04:18 2010 No.1812713 >>1812674 Physicists not be the first one going to stars. The first ones will be specially trained astronauts, who are tougher dudes than the physicists and the engineers put together.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 19:04:18 2010 No.1812718 >91 posts and 20 image replies omitted. Click Reply to view.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 19:05:18 2010 No.1812722 >>1812713 Former Air Force jet pilots with 20+ years experience to be more specific.

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 19:05:18 2010 No.1812726

>>1812690

people need to find their INDIVIDUAL emotional outlets and express their INDIVIDUALITY, which is exactly the purpose artsy shit like literature and music serve, which is exactly why these subjects should be made electives from day one, and be separated from the fundamental shit that societies are built upon, like logic, reason and science. these should be compulsory.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 19:06:18 2010 No.1812728 >>1812712 no i'm not. try getting your humanities prof to explain the second law of thermodynamics, and see for yourself

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 19:07:18 2010 No.1812732 >>1812713 Funny thing is, the physicists will scribble the things on paper and computer screens, the engineers will then build the ships and then a fucking jet pilot will take all the glory by sitting on a chair. Fucking space travel.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 19:07:18 2010 No.1812734 >>1812722 and knowledge of physics

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 19:07:18 2010 No.1812735 >>1812713 or they're just physicists and engineers who are fit

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 19:08:18 2010 No.1812737

>>1812545
Actually, we contribute a fuckton to society. Maybe not in the short term, but definitely in the long term. If we ever want to get to space (or at least prevent mass extinction via an asteroid), you need us. And we make Yahoo News interesting.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 19:08:18 2010 No.1812740 File: 222 KB, 400x400, 1274642175587.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Geology >Top tier imokwiththis.jpeg

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 19:09:18 2010 No.1812744 >>1812737 Also, we wouldn't have cheap digital cameras without astronomers.

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 19:10:18 2010 No.1812750

>>1812737

quit ya yapping. you know you only come up with cool names such as black shit and dark shit just to keep the public interested because what you're doing is fucking useless. the only fucking contribution of astrofags to society so far has been CCD cameras.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 19:10:18 2010 No.1812751 >>1812728 Ask your physics prof to name one work of Coleridge.

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 19:10:18 2010 No.1812754

>>1812726
So we're supposed to learn how to analyze books, symbols, speak, read and introduce ourselves to classic literature without any guidance?

I don't understand why you hate artists so much. We're just trying to understand the world in human terms. Trying to understand why we do things or the nature or reality in philosophy. If you really find such emotionally exploitative endeavours repulsive and useless, then you should be happy there is more available fields in the maths and sciences without us clogging it all up.

Live and let live, and stop trying to force people into roles to progress your idea of society. Last time I checked, it is forcing people into suitable job roles for the benefit of the whole society that is the trademark of many dictatorships.

Live and let live, bro.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 19:11:18 2010 No.1812760 lol this thread is like a fucking american movie at first engineers and physicists hate on each other, but at the end theyre friends and they find their common enemy

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 19:11:18 2010 No.1812761 >>1812726 >implying literacy, which literature is most often taught to foster, is not fundamental shit that societies are built upon

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 19:12:18 2010 No.1812765

>>1812751
The thing is most of them could. Literature is a form of entertainment. People entertain themselves outside the workplace. To repeat what was said earlier in this thread, there is currently more literature, music, and art in existence than will ever be needed by anyone.

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 19:13:18 2010 No.1812772

>>1812473
>>1812641
>>1812681
>>1812496
Exactly.
Why pursue all that information if you're not going to do anything neat with it besides build machines to make your life more pragmatic and less interesting.

>>1812585

And you probably have no friends. If you do, you lie a lot. Which creates quite a bit of cognitive dissonance, since it goes against your ultra-scientific, exclusionary values.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 19:13:18 2010 No.1812773 >>1812750 i think you forgot satellites, wich include but not limited to : GPS, communication systems, google earth and accurate meteorology

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 19:14:18 2010 No.1812777 >>1812751 yeah the second law of thermodyamics is a bit more universal than some irrelevant faggot shit written by some faggot called coleridge.

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 19:17:18 2010 No.1812805

>>1812765
>Literature is a form of entertainment

No it's not. Art and literature are symbols. They are accessible forms of protest, progressive thinking and and ways of saying what they see going on amongst the nature and unexplainable behaviour of their fellow man.

I don't seem to recall people holding up equations during Vietnam War protests.

Hell, I never see artists insulting scientists. Because most of us accept that we need individuals from every spectrum and interest to work together to make a society. It's that sort of 'one school of thought' idea that is the basis of dictatorships.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 19:18:18 2010 No.1812810 >>1812760 >American movie You do realize that most movies come from America anyways, so you could have just said movie, no need to add American in there.

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 19:19:18 2010 No.1812816

How about the fact that computer science is in mid tier while all the other mathematical sciences are in top? I mean seriously, the amount of people who are in CS and also in math is huge, why separate them that drastically? I can understand software development, but theoretical computer science should be in the same tier math is in.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 19:20:18 2010 No.1812818 ARTS ARE FOR ENTERTAINMENT SCIENCES ARE SERIOUS BUSINESS AND REQUIRE WORK+SKILLS /thread

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 19:21:18 2010 No.1812821 >>1812805 The end.

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 19:21:18 2010 No.1812830

I think computer science is a great career path. The computer science field is one of the fastest growing fields in the United States, as well as across the world, and computer science is also vital for society to function. Nearly every aspect of your life depends on computers in some form. Computers and the internet have become a huge part in our society, and are continuing to become more and more advanced in this day and age, so computer scientists are necessary for proper development of this technology to better society as a whole.

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 19:22:18 2010 No.1812835

>>1812777
Rather than trying to refute your claim, in which you will respond by calling me a faggot several times and hide behind the army of the artisically challenged otherwise known as /sci/, I would like you to explain to me the second law of thermodynamics, in your own words and without the use of external resources. Be as clear and concise as you possibly could.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 19:22:18 2010 No.1812840 >>1812818 >states point >no basis Sure is logical, /sci/.

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 19:22:18 2010 No.1812842

>>1812816
Go to multiple university websites and check the CS curriculum. You'll find that most (~90%) programs require calculus up to calc 2, linear algebra, and discrete mathematics, and basic statistics.

Compare that to calc 1-3, ODEs, PDEs, complex analysis, real analysis, abstract algebra, and advanced probability theory AT A MINIMUM.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 19:24:18 2010 No.1812846 >>1812842 I think you need to calm down

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>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 19:25:18 2010 No.1812850 >>1812846 >3 words capitalized Sure, brah.

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 19:26:18 2010 No.1812855

>>1812835
I think a lot of it stems from envy. Real genuine scientists with degrees don't hate artists at all. Einstein loved music, and cared very deeply for the arts. But these childish anons hating on art are just frustrated that there are unquantifiable abstracts in this world that science cannot explain. A real scientist would accept that certain things are beyond his personal reach and move on to something constructive to benefit the people around him the best he can.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 19:29:18 2010 No.1812876 >>1812750 And development of programming languages like IDL which are also used in image analysis for medical institutions.

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 19:30:18 2010 No.1812886
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>>1812818

Do you know how to operate a camera? Do you research various cultures in order to derive common symbols that you can use to enhance the message of the fiction you're creating, thereby eliciting a more powerful emotional response from your audience?

Do you know about sound production?

Lighting?

Do you know ten different ways to say the same word, in the same language?

In different languages?

Do you know about complementary colors? Philosophy of aesthetics? Do you understand common people well enough to know what makes them cry? Laugh?

Art requires skills, and, if done correctly, it makes bigheaded concepts more entertaining and accessible to the masses, thereby increasing the number of people on this planet sympathetic to scientific thought. Think Sagan's Cosmos. A much more effective method than screaming about how everyone but a small portion of the population who thinks as hatefully as you are "faggots".

Sick of all this close-minded bashing. I don't come to /sci/ to hear about how I'm a fag for being wanting to be a screenwriter/science popularizer. I come here for information from people who are based in a different field than I.

INFORMATION FOR THE SAKE OF INFORMATION.

It seems like some of you pretentious fucks use the scientific method when it comes to everything but other people.

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 19:34:18 2010 No.1812910

>>1812855
I totally agree with this anon.
>>1812842
Oh, so now an entire field's relevance and level of difficulty is dictated by the current university curriculum? If you know so much about math I'm surprised, since many upper level theoretical mathematicians are also theoretical computer scientists. They're deeply interwoven fields.

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 19:39:18 2010 No.1812931
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Question, which degrees will actually give you a good chance of advancing humanity? A lot of you seem to be mentioning how certain fields contribute nothing to humanity, but no actual alternatives are listed.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 19:41:18 2010 No.1812936 >>1812910 Very lightly interwoven field. >>1812931 Biochemistry, but only if you get a PhD.

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 19:41:18 2010 No.1812939

>>1812931
Exactly. They say all artists will wind up being pathetic losers, but what are the chances every person here will discover the cure to some disease? Find living species of bacteria on another planet? Or come up with some new law for the universe?

The truth is, most people here will be just as big of losers are us /lit/ faggots.

>>1812886
Beautiful post is beautiful.

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>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 19:48:18 2010 No.1812979 >>1812936 No, they really aren't lightly interwoven. All my CS professors are in mathematical research. Theoretical CS is all math.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 19:50:18 2010 No.1812984 Threads like this really make me respect (good) writers even more. Those guys really do have the whole goddamn world against them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 19:50:18 2010 No.1812986 The 20 greatest Engineering achievements of the 20th century: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greatest_Engineering_Achievements_of_the_20th_Century We fucking get shit done. That's why we make more money than you.

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 19:51:18 2010 No.1812989

>>1812939
I'm in med school. While it's unlikely that I'm going to create an HIV vaccine, I'm certainly going to make a huge difference in people's lives.

That's a little more important than writing a shitty poem or any of the other majors involving intellectual onanism.

/I was a poli sci and history double major, so I think I can speak to uselessness.

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 19:54:18 2010 No.1813004

>>1812939
here's the difference.

90% of /lit/ fags will never write a novel. They'll never get published. They'll settle for getting some shit job in a cubicle and never actually use their degree.

On the other hand, 90% of engineering and science majors will create something. Maybe in a team, maybe it will be something as simple as a slightly better doorhinge, but it'll be something.

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 19:58:18 2010 No.1813024
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>>1812931
Here's an even better question. Where do all of you get off ranking careers based on how much they contribute to society when you obviously don't care about contribution to society in the first place?

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 19:59:18 2010 No.1813029

>>1813004

I think a good portion will teach. That's what I'm doing at least. If you're any good, that certainly benefits society.

(inb4 lol teaching shitty peoms to hihg scoolers LOL)

English teachers do way more than that. A large portion of the curriculum focuses on professional writing and expository writing. Also, regardless of your path through life, I'd hope we could at least agree studying literature/philosophy/history is key to your development as a person, especially during adolescence (I'm teaching high school, btw).

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 20:00:18 2010 No.1813036 >>1812939 Maybe it's just my faggy little intuition that's based purely on unquantifiable abstracts, but something makes me doubt that you used empirical methods to acquire those statistics.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 20:02:18 2010 No.1813044 >>1813036 Sorry, in this post, I meant to paste: >>1813004

>>	GL Pretentious Hipster !!NU1qDw5ZF2C Mon Sep 27 20:04:18 2010 No.1813055 Whoever made that Tier List is a dumbfuck; Archaeology is a SUBFIELD of Anthropology.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 20:10:18 2010 No.1813084 File: 8 KB, 381x400, at_first.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] ECONOMICS IS GOD TIER. WE DECIDE HOW MUCH MONEY GOES INTO RESEARCH.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 20:14:18 2010 No.1813100 >>1813084 "A GPA of 2.0 is required for entry into this major."

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 20:15:18 2010 No.1813105

>>1813029
well if you plan to teach then get an education degree.

Also yeah, teaching is pretty sub-par too. I think the majority of the headscratching we science types do is when we look at the tuition we pay and then look at job availability/pay afterward and then wonder why the fuck anyone would pay 30k a year to be a teacher.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 20:19:18 2010 No.1813120 I DONT SEE BIOLOGY I DONT SEE BIOLOGY I DONT SEE BIOLOGY I DONT SEE BIOLOGY I DONT SEE BIOLOGY WHERE IS IT ?

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 20:23:18 2010 No.1813137

>>1813105
I'm saying many liberal arts majors will end up teaching, in response to anons post.

Also, I totally get where you're coming from as far as finances, but in my situation the state paid for tuition. I followed my passions and majored in Lit/History because it was free. I'm working on a teaching certificate now, so it's only gonna be like $12,000 to make $30,000 per year.

If you continue your teacher education and earn the additional rankings (which the school district will probably help you pay) you could potentially earn $60,000-$70,000 per year. Plus mad benefits.

It's not a bad gig, in some states.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 20:24:18 2010 No.1813151 I find it funny how you guys divide science up into sub divisions but not engineering.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 20:25:18 2010 No.1813155 >>1813100 Still, your ass is ours.

>>	econguy !!d2Pzyp675d3 Mon Sep 27 20:26:18 2010 No.1813159 >>1813100 anyone with a 2.0 in econ isnt going farther than a bachelors.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 20:32:18 2010 No.1813200 >>1813137 Yeah, you can get up to like 90k in NY, but that's after like 20 or 30 years. And it's NY so the cost of living is usually crazy high. And the decent pay is in administration with usually requires a master's and often a PhD.

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>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 20:42:18 2010 No.1813251 This just in! Having a valued degree from a good school does not guarantee instant success. You could still have a good GPA and be a complete piece of shit that will never make it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 20:46:18 2010 No.1813276 File: 98 KB, 800x1107, majorhierarchy.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1813235 Whoops, almost missed these two.

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 20:50:18 2010 No.1813288

Majoring in Philosophy=
Good writing, logic, and critical reading skills=
Performing well on the GRE, GMAT,LSAT,MCAT=
Getting JD, MBA, PhD, MD=
Making decent to a lot of money=
Possibly living a decent to good life=
Eventually dying like everyone=
Wtf does it matter what you study?

/thread.

Conclusion:

It doesn't matter wtf you study. If you enjoy it, do it.

>>	GodofCider Mon Sep 27 20:51:18 2010 No.1813296 >>1813288 ...ya...not bad advise here.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 20:52:18 2010 No.1813298 >>1813288 Amen Brother! (From a Dual Bio/Chem Undergrad, nonetheless!)

>>	econguy !!d2Pzyp675d3 Mon Sep 27 20:55:18 2010 No.1813314 File: 23 KB, 300x468, tv_jamie.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1813276 >Economics below Mathematics and Statistics >mfw Economics is heavily based on Mathematics and uses statistics on a regular basis.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 20:58:18 2010 No.1813330 >>1813314 I agree with this. Economics extensively uses statistics and mathematics. Also, it has very interesting application( Psychohistory anyone?), game theory, etc.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 20:58:18 2010 No.1813331 Although it's medicine, where exactly would a Bachelors of Science in Nursing fall? From a four year university, not one of those nigger colleges. Also, a Masters in Public Health..seeing where /sci/ these two stand..

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 20:59:18 2010 No.1813332 File: 286 KB, 720x525, hatergunnahate.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1812325 Can't agree more.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 20:59:18 2010 No.1813334 >>1813331 */sci/ thinks.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 21:11:18 2010 No.1813395 Where does military science fall into this?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 21:13:18 2010 No.1813409 >>1813330 English requires numbers (since you need to remember what page you're on). So I guess it should be up with math

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 21:15:18 2010 No.1813422 >>1812325 doesn't apply to medicine, unfortunately

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 21:17:18 2010 No.1813428 >>1813409 >.> Way to troll faggot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 21:17:18 2010 No.1813431 >>1812402 >>1812381 retards detected

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 21:17:18 2010 No.1813433

>My face when I have a four year dramatic arts degree, and am currently working in Hollywood as a set assistant, getting paid 5,000 dollars a day to follow a cameraman around, holding the chords from his camera.

enjoy your years of wasted life while you try to put that useless geology degree to use, science fags

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 21:18:18 2010 No.1813436 >>1813428 pointing out flawed logic != trolling buddy

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 21:19:18 2010 No.1813445 anybody who takes this chart seriously has the mental capacity of a 12 year old. we effectively argued down this chart last night. anybody who still takes note of the chart is either a newfag or a dumbfuck

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 21:22:18 2010 No.1813461 >>1813445 >>1813445 fucking this, any real scientist appreciates other fields, even fucking philosophy..EVERYTHING...... except maybe engineering.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 21:24:18 2010 No.1813468 File: 48 KB, 300x300, 1284899759226.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1813461 another jelly scientist in the making

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 21:24:18 2010 No.1813469 >>1813461 I real scientist appreciates engineering. It's up to them if they give a shit about humanities and nonsense like that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 21:24:18 2010 No.1813470 Why is Archaeology depicted so badly? I think it's an extremely interesting field. You are gonna sit there and tell me finding ancient civilizations and learning how they lived, worked, etc isn't interesting?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 21:27:18 2010 No.1813485 >>1813470 /sci/ completely ignores personal satisfaction in its analysis of things like this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 21:27:18 2010 No.1813488 >>1813470 enjoy flipping burgers for the rest of your life

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 21:28:18 2010 No.1813493

I am representing Education and Linguistics, but I feel no hate towards the other fields. I applaud every single student at my university for pursuing higher learning!

Also, Linguistics is really interesting. It might not be very hard, unless you think advanced grammar is hard, but I thoroughly enjoy it.

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 21:31:39 2010 No.1813506 [DELETED]

>>1813461
Well it's a joke because A) this chart is vague.

Is this about which careers are better? Business more lucrative than most on there. A doctor will certainly earn more than a mathematician, and astronomy should be near the low tier if that's the case.

Is it about intelligence? Chart is hilariously flawed, in that case.

See my post here and the following posts for that:

>>1811951

everything in this post is irrefutable, and it's astounding that people took this list seriously. Especially after the argument we had last night over the validity of the shitty list

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 21:32:18 2010 No.1813515

>>1813461
Well it's a joke because A) this chart is vague.

Is this about which careers are better? Business is more lucrative than most on there. A doctor will certainly earn more than a mathematician, and astronomy should be near the low tier if that's the case.

Is it about intelligence? Chart is hilariously flawed, in that case.

See my post here and the following posts for that:

>>1811951

everything in this post is irrefutable, and it's astounding that people took this list seriously. Especially after the argument we had last night over the validity of the shitty list

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 21:38:18 2010 No.1813544

>>1812515
Correction. Logic is Mathematics. Logic is a branch of Mathematics. Logic is studied in Philosophy, but is not spawned from Philosophy. People like Alan Turing/Kurt Godel were not studying Logic from a purely Philosophical standpoint, but from a Mathematical standpoint.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 21:41:18 2010 No.1813563 File: 329 KB, 1072x946, 1280 engineering.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1813151 > I find it funny how you guys divide science up into sub divisions but not engineering. different tier

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 21:41:18 2010 No.1813566

>>1813515

I propose that the chart is about:

a) How much a particular academic field of study / profession contributes to society; and

b) How pure the filed of study is. Maths is the most pure, since all other fields of study can be derived from or explained by mathematics. e.g. law is created by humans who's thoughts and emotions are dictated by psychology, which is applied biology, which is applied chemistry, which is applied physics, which is applied mathematics.

By this proposed selection criteria, the list is pretty much correct.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 21:43:18 2010 No.1813587 >>1813563 Your ranking of engineering disciplines is retarded.

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 21:58:18 2010 No.1813724

>>1813566
>a) How much a particular academic field of study / profession contributes to society; and

Then it's still a god awful list for obvious reasons. Your average electrician contributes more to day to day society than a fucking astronomer. An astronomer should be near the low tier, and Law, economics, business, etc. should be in god tier.

A few more are changeable as well but I don't feel like getting into it all

>How pure the filed of study is

full on retard logic, bro. Literally, when I was 8 years old I recall doing exactly what OP is doing. I, and wide array of other adolescent kids probably thought in tiers as well in regards to which career or subject is "better"

Still, even if we flirted with the notion of there being a plausible tier list, the list would still need be heavily modified.

So my point still stands, anybody who took this list seriously is a fundamental manchild or a 12 year old. there's no other way to look at this.

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 23:10:18 2010 No.1814214

>>1813724

Understanding the universe is almost of supreme consequence to society imo. Law, economics and business don't really contribute shit. Of course we need law, but studying it does shit all. Businessmen and economists just try to make money, they don't help people or further our understanding of the universe.

I think it's you who is taking the list too seriously. Nobody is suggesting that this is an objective ranking. It's just interesting to look at different careers. People should study whatever they enjoy studying

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 23:13:18 2010 No.1814233 HOW BOUT NO

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 23:14:18 2010 No.1814237 >>1813563 >Mechanical Engineering >Shit Tier Son, you are either trolling or retarded.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 23:18:18 2010 No.1814255 >>1813563 genetic engineering belongs in god tier

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 23:20:18 2010 No.1814269 >>1813563 >Genetic engineering in low tier Shit nigger, do you want Bioshock powers or not?

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 23:22:18 2010 No.1814282

>>1813563
>Projected job growth of Environmental Engineering over the next decade: 31%
>Projected job growth of Biomedical Engineering over the next decade: 72%
>Theyre both in waste of life tier
>Projected job growth of Chemical Engineering over the next decade: -2%
>God Tier

I don't think I'm totally understanding how this chart works. I mean, I guess if by god tier you mean unemployed, then yeah, great chart.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 23:23:18 2010 No.1814290 Fucking engineers. It's almost fun to watch you peons fight over which of your disciplines is least inferior to math and physics.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 23:24:18 2010 No.1814293 >>1814290 Engineers make more money

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 23:26:18 2010 No.1814304 File: 27 KB, 600x427, 1283489092828.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1814290 Yeah well, we have to pass the time somehow. Not all of us can waste a day on a $35k a year joke of a career.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 23:26:18 2010 No.1814305 >>1814290 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greatest_Engineering_Achievements_of_the_20th_Century We get shit done.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 23:27:18 2010 No.1814313 >>1814293 So do crime lords and porn stars, but those aren't exactly respectable niches in society now are they?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 23:28:18 2010 No.1814317 >>1813563 I assume computer science fits into god tier as well

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 23:30:18 2010 No.1814329 >>1814317 >Code monkeys Ha ha, no.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 23:37:18 2010 No.1814383 >>1814329 Oh dear, you sound mad

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 23:45:18 2010 No.1814441 i wonder if the person who made this image knew the permanent shitstorm they were starting.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 23:46:18 2010 No.1814452 >>1813563 >biomedical engineering >waste of life tier what

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 23:48:18 2010 No.1814460 >>1814452 I think it goes in opposite order. The disciplines with the worst job prospects are at the top, better job prospects are at the bottom

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 23:53:18 2010 No.1814497 >>1812373 Pssst, biochemists do that.

Anonymous Tue Sep 28 00:05:18 2010 No.1814574

Friendly reminder.

Just because you're studying something rated "god tier" by an anonymous imageboard filled with awkward antisocial introverts doesn't increase your worth as a human being. Don't get a huge dick, you awkward, misanthropic virgins.

alright continue

>>	0ZERO0 !!XIRv7+wAYMN Tue Sep 28 00:31:18 2010 No.1814727 I DONT KNOW WHETHER TO FILE THIS UNDER "POLITICAL TEXT" OR "TEXT"... GOING WITH JUST "TEXT". ITS LIKE I'M REALLY ON /NEW/. "WAKE UP!" HERP DERP OPINIONS DERP DERP.

Anonymous Tue Sep 28 00:35:18 2010 No.1814748

>>1812322
At my college, a lot of kids start out as compsci majors, realize it's too difficult (too much math for them) and become IS majors. I think that the retards may start as computer science majors, but they almost always go into IS after finding out how hard it is.
(I'm a Bio. major...)

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 00:42:18 2010 No.1814775 >>1812473 This. Social grognards dont realize its how you talk and who you know, not so much WHAT you know. I get to know the people in power. Then I am one.

Anonymous Tue Sep 28 00:51:18 2010 No.1814825
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>My face when all you mother fuckers are going to get a nuclear bomb dropped on your head because the world ISNT made of Engineers and is actually just human beings.

Hurr civilizations dont need an identity to assert themselves and operate, right? If we all study math, then its like every will, like, share the peace, man!

When will you brainless fucks realize these things are DEGREES for a reason and that every society needs each and every one to operate at a capacity to trade, develop, and consume?

Youuuuu THICK mother fuckers

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 00:54:18 2010 No.1814848 >>1814748 there's usually about ten people in each graduating class at my uni in CS

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 00:56:18 2010 No.1814864 >>1814848 and about thirty people are in the first few classes from what i've seen the past few years

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 00:57:18 2010 No.1814867 >>1814825 Some of these majors are vestigial Also capitalism demands the death of art for the sake of art, and the use of art as advertisement So really the only reason to get a liberal arts degree is to go into advertising

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 01:04:18 2010 No.1814919 >>1814867 >implying capitalism isnt going to be the universal economic system of choice for a VERY VERY VERY long time also opinions, your shit could be my art. Therefore invalid.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 01:08:18 2010 No.1814969 >>1814848 what kind of shit school is that, tier 4?

Anonymous Tue Sep 28 01:12:18 2010 No.1815003
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>>1814919
never implied that but go ahead and think whatever you want
I'm of the opinion that Wall Street is just going to keep doing what it's doing and turn this planet into a wasteland of depleted resources before the end of the century
We've made mountains and seas disappear just to get our hands on the resources beneath and the ocean is filling with carbonic acid, which will destroy the bottom of the food chain and turn the ocean into a wasteland.
That shit takes millenia to replace at minimum.
But please, enlighten me on how capitalism will be around for a VERY, VERY, VERY long time when mankind starves to death at the end of this century

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 01:13:37 2010 No.1815010 File: 27 KB, 298x279, 15.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] ITT: Scrubs taking god-tiers at shit-tier schools. Worthless.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 01:14:18 2010 No.1815018 File: 27 KB, 298x279, 15.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] ITT: Scrubs taking god-tier majors at shit-tier schools. Worthless.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 01:14:18 2010 No.1815025 >>1815003 >earth is coming to an end fringe theories >exactly why we need science disregarded

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 01:16:18 2010 No.1815035 File: 728 KB, 1070x898, god magnets.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Fixed

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 01:18:18 2010 No.1815056 >>1815035 This!!!!!

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 01:19:18 2010 No.1815060 ITT: People who seem to think everyone else's opinion is wrong

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 01:20:18 2010 No.1815069 >>1815018 >Implying my school isn't highly ranked on Forbes list of best schools to get rich from. >Implying my school isn't the best Uni to attend in our entire region for engineering. >Implicating implications implying implicated fgsfgs

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 01:21:18 2010 No.1815074 >>1815069 >implying you named your school >implying you aren't looking to see if Forbes even has that classification when we call you out

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 01:22:18 2010 No.1815081 >>1815069 Missouri S&T. Ranked 12th in public universities.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 01:22:18 2010 No.1815082 >>1815069 >Thinks ITT comment was directed at him specifically >Starts going on about how much better he is than everyone >Will be lucky to finish degree

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 01:24:18 2010 No.1815098 >>1815082 Seeing as how I'm a junior and have a full ride, I figure I'll be fine.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 01:27:18 2010 No.1815114 File: 74 KB, 184x208, 22.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1815069 lol Forbes... "highly" "region" Definitely shit tier.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 01:28:18 2010 No.1815125 >>1815114 BAHAHA nigger please.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 01:29:18 2010 No.1815136 Why the fuck do you people care so much about what other people think of your degree? Do what you like a tell everyone else to fuck right off if they give you shit. That's what ALL the great scientists have done.

Anonymous Tue Sep 28 01:34:18 2010 No.1815161

>>1815125
>Admits that pointing out shit-rankings like Forbes which have nothing to do with academics, and ranking school withing its "region", instead of simply giving the name of the school, is a clear indicator that one is attending a shit-tier school with shit academics.

By the way, I'm attending Berkeley, shit-tier faggot.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 01:40:18 2010 No.1815187 >>1814214 >economists just try to make money are you feckin' serious, bro?

I Agree Anonymous Tue Sep 28 02:07:18 2010 No.1815272

Just my 2 cents:
All the science majors plus engineering are needed because it is what shaped most of the world around us and continues to push us forward.

>>1812635
Chemistry was needed to make the low melting point alloys for making the movable type in the printing press. Also engineering and physics were needed to make the motors that drive modern rotary presses.

Mind, I like reading books and listening to music but we don't need required classes that simply live of the work of hard working people like authors and composers. I had a english teacher once who talked about this GREAT professor who is famous for writing an essay about some of the characters in Anna Karenina. Write your own books or write you self a Need help bless you sign.

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