/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.1801624]

[Anonymous No.1801643]

"So what exactly are we learning professor?" "I need you all to undress and pose for the camera."

[Anonymous No.1801651]

this is gonna make some fuckers mad

[Anonymous No.1801660]

>>1801651

[Anonymous No.1801661]

isnt computer science just learning how to use word, excell, and powerpoint. or was that just my 9th grade computer science class

[Anonymous No.1801701]

Computer science is related to computers in the same sense that astronomy is related to telescopes.

[Anonymous No.1801711]

so we found these "machines," if you will, lying around and stuff. These things are capable of great calculations. "Computer Science" is the science of figuring out how these machines work, through the use of experimentation and the scientific method. The transistor wasn't invented, it was discovered. It's called a "science" for a reason.

[Anonymous No.1801722]

>>1801711
>The transistor wasn't invented, it was discovered
No.

[Anonymous No.1801727]

Anyone have the link to the original video?

[Anonymous No.1801735]

Is this supposed to troll CSfags? Because anyone who actually knows what computer science means would agree with the picture.

[Anonymous No.1801737]

>>1801727

[Anonymous No.1801745]

I was thinking about Computer science for college. What is it exactly?

[Anonymous No.1801758]

>>1801745
At a shit-tier school: Programming.

At a God-tier school: Computer Math

[Anonymous No.1801773]

>>1801758

Damn, I wanted to program.

[Anonymous No.1802235]

Ugh am applying for CS this year, hopefully it isn't as bad as you guys make it out to be.

>>1801661
You're thinking of IT which is more vocational

[Anonymous No.1802260]

>>1802235
I thought my Computer Science class would be the most boring class I had and sort of regretted picking it. I am actually really enjoying it. We're learning Object-Oriented Programming with a focus on Java. It's really interesting.

[Anonymous No.1802270]

CS is basically programming. We come up with the algorithms and the lay out of the design, then we and the software engineers write the code.

[Anonymous No.1802271]

>>1801773
What, you think people who go to expensive colleges don't learn how to program either?

As far as undergrad goes, all schools are pretty much the same for CS anyways.

[Anonymous No.1802286]

CS is all about the run times of the programs. Which one is more better for speed, which one is more stable and works all around. Why use 400 "if, Then" statements when you can use one recursion.

[Anonymous No.1802300]

>computer science is not about computers
Let me stop you right there

[Anonymous No.1802357]

>>1802300
IT isn't about computers, but CS is. Computer science is IT's retarded younger brother who still wets his bed and drools while thinking, he was also molested as a child.

[Anonymous No.1802397]

>>1801661
>ICT <> Computer Science
>>1801701
True
>>1801711
Computer Science was around before the first computers were invented. Computer the science is basically how to process information (compute) easily, efficiently with a reliable method.
>>1801773
Programming is an art. You don't learn it in school. Get a freaking book and try it out. If you don't have a knack for solving problem you will never be a good programmer though.
>>1802357
You got it all wrong. IT is not even a profession just a driving a car isn't a profession. Good troll though. Just responded because of mislead /sci/ducks.
>>1802300
It isn't computers are a tool CS uses not the other way round.

[Anonymous No.1802401]

>>1802397
IT is a field of study just like CS is. Stop making up that stuff.

[Anonymous No.1802403]

>>1802357
What the fuck?

[Anonymous No.1802407]

Where is the video I wanna hear what dis nigga sayin

[Anonymous No.1802412]

>>1802401

It isn't.

Learning how to use computer is not a field of study.

It's like comparing bus drivers to engineers.

[Anonymous No.1802415]

>my face when I chose CS as a major and thought I was going to be a scientist

[Anonymous No.1802417]

>>1802412
IT isn't about learning how to use a computer, that's CS's field of interest. IT is about all math governing the processing of information.

[Anonymous No.1802418]

Computer science = learning how to use mspaint
Applied math = computer science
Therefore applied math = learning how to use mspaint

mathematicians = deviantart fellows

[Anonymous No.1802422]

>>1802415

You aren't a scientist. You are a mathematician. Happy?

Hey don't be sad. Being a scientist these days is nothing. You have to get a good science related job first (which is hard) and probably you won't ever work in R&D. CS is different. Jobs are easy to find and in this day and age with technology all around Computer "Scientists" are as much respected as anybody. Probably more respected than the guys with a master in Physics who are working in patent offices.

[Anonymous No.1802426]

>>1802417

ROFL. Ok you got me good.

Here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_science
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_technology

So people don't get mislead by this smart ass troll.

[Anonymous No.1802430]

>>1801701

this.

Good luck solving complex scientific problems with poor algorithms, in nowadays CS is nearly so much important for science as Math is.

[Anonymous No.1802431]

>>1802426
Not a troll, and you should stop linking to wikipedia, it doesn't help your credibility one bit.

[No.1802446]

>>1802431
I find Wikipedia more credible than 90% of the internet most notably you

[Anonymous No.1802477]

Computer science: Study computers
Information Technology: Learn how to make applications that people will understand, ie: big glossy buttons and touchscreens.

IT is a bit softer than CS.

[Anonymous No.1802509]

>>1802477

>IT is a bit softer than CS.
>a bit

How about A LOT?

Do you want a suggestion from a working CS major? Never get an IT degree. Never. Get a CS one instead. No matter how shitty you are we prefer CS majors to IT majors any day.

Pretty much any geek can surpass an IT major. Such IT jobs require no degree at all. Just learn you shit at home in a week and apply. If you are good you'll get in.

[Anonymous No.1802525]

>>1802509
Then I guess it depends on the country you live in because over here CS grads are the losers that know C++, Sql, UMLs and all that boring stuff and IT grads are the guys that do research in computer vision, artificial intelligence and pattern recognition.

[Anonymous No.1802537]

>>1802525
not sure if troll

[Anonymous No.1802540]

>>1802537
Not troll.

[Anonymous No.1802562]

>>1802525

This is not true anywhere in America

[Anonymous No.1802565]

>>1802562
I live in Europe.

[Anonymous No.1802570]

>>1802525
Doing the later without learning Computer Science is like doing mathematics without knowing Calculus.

[Anonymous No.1802585]

>>1802570
Not really. You don't have to know UML or C++ to work in Matlab and understand statistics.

[Anonymous No.1802597]

what's /sci/ opinion on computer engineering?

[Anonymous No.1802625]

>>1802585
High-end Artificial intelligence is, by far, THE most optimization-dependant field known to mankind. If you don't know your design perfectly you are worse than useless.

If you don't actually code, this is the equivalent of a guy drawing a bridge and then taking pride in it when the engineer runs the numbers and makes it a reality.

>>1802597
CS and Computer Engineering should really be taken together. You should get a basic background in the physics of electricity too. Afterwards, you can build about anything small-scale (though, obviously, if it has a great degree of physical interaction you will need to learn the proper physics. Weight-distribution etc).

[Anonymous No.1802640]

>>1802625

>CS
>Computer Engineering
>Physics

Dude, all three of those are different disciplines...

[Anonymous No.1802643]

>>1802625
What the fuck? Computer engineer does have physics and electricity classes.

[Anonymous No.1802646]

>>1802625
I agree, but optimizations come mostly from developing better algorithms rather than by optimizing existing ones. You can make every of the 100 iterations of a learning cycle perform 50% faster and still an algorithm that takes only 10 iterations will have you beat.

[Anonymous No.1802681]

>>1802640
Knowing CE makes you a better programmer, since you are better able to exploit architecture. Knowing CS makes you a better computer engineer, since you are able to design architecture better suited to the soft's needs.

As you know the pair already, all you need is a bit of physics and you can basically build nearly any machine, with robots becoming elementary.

>>1802646
It is not as if you can choose which you can employ - you search for the most efficient pattern you can find for each task, even if you need to develop it. Optimization not only refers to improving existing code.

[Anonymous No.1802712]

>>1802681
I was talking about doing research, you can and will choose what you employ. And unless it provides a severe change in performance, no one will waste time on miniscule optimizations.

[Anonymous No.1802718]

>Knowing CS makes you a better computer engineer, since you are able to design architecture better suited to the soft's needs.

This makes no sense. Hardware is not designed to meet the needs of software, it is more the other way around, e.g. software is molded to meet constraints imposed by hardware.

[Anonymous No.1802740]

>>1802712
The sentence itself is problematic. There is no such a thing as miniscule optimization in high-end AI (and some similar fields). Each cycle repeats itself so many times the 'miniscule' difference becomes huge over time. A milisecond can turn into wasted months over lifetime.

Worse, these add up.

This isn't OOP/Cost method country anymore, son.

[Anonymous No.1802752]

>>1802718
Computers are not only on the table top, or for personal use. Computers are in everything, and they are often designed to fit their specific task. Microprocessors are almost never generalists.

You could design a robot with an existing set of hardware that does not entirely fits your needs, but why did you learn CE at all, then? Put your skill to use and make a far better product.

[Anonymous No.1802753]

>>1802718

That depends wholly on what the hardware and software are doing. If you're building a PC, then it's more common that you see software molding to hardware. If you're building something that is only designed to do one thing, then you can be sure as sunrise that the hardware will be built to enmesh with the software as much as the reverse is true.

[Anonymous No.1802760]

ITT CS majors claim they're not trolled.

[Anonymous No.1802763]

>>1802718
Are you posting from 1980 or something?

[Anonymous No.1802772]

>>1802763

Have you heard about parallel programming by chance? It has caught on a bit in the last couple of years and is a good example of software programmers adapting to hardware needs.

[Anonymous No.1802779]

>>1801624

what's the story behind this?

[Anonymous No.1802789]

>>1802760
We are not mad. We are just sad, because we know its not actually trolling, and that people really have no fucking clue. A feeling similar to the one a physicist focusing on an obscure field experiences when talking with normalfags.

[Anonymous No.1802793]

>>1802779

Basically the story is don't become a CS major if you hate math and all you want to do is make video games

[Anonymous No.1802800]

>>1802793
Can anyone link the source? I'd like to send this to a friend.

[Anonymous No.1802807]

>>1802800
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQLUPjefuWA

IT'S FUCKING MAGIC

[Anonymous No.1802809]

god this thread is terrible.
so happy to be an EE.

[Anonymous No.1802818]

>>1802809
So, basically, utterly dependant on on CS majors for anything progressive.

[Anonymous No.1802848]

I don't get it. Label it however you like. The label has zero implications.

[Anonymous No.1802861]

>>1801711
>so we found these "machines," if you will, lying around and stuff. These things are capable of great calculations. "Computer Science" is the science of figuring out how these machines work, through the use of experimentation and the scientific method. The transistor wasn't invented, it was discovered. It's called a "science" for a reason.

Fuck no. Computer Engineering is how computers work and how to build (better) computers. CS is just glorified code monkeying, it rank with the same level as accounting.

And before anyone says it, no CS isn't math. Physicists and CEs do way more math than CS ever does. (yes that is including the shitty CS probability and discrete math courses)

[Anonymous No.1802883]

>>1802809

Fucking this.

[Anonymous No.1802884]

>>1802861
CS is more or less a branch of mathematics. It would be difficult to do less math.

A programmer and a code monkey are two very different things. They are very much like an engineer and a construction worker.

[Anonymous No.1802885]

>>1802818
you mean CS is utterly dependent on EE to do anything?

[Anonymous No.1802887]

A CS thread?

INB4 "WE DON'T CARE WHERE IT IS PHYSICALLY STORED IN THE MEMORY"

>>1802807
"CS isn't about science... or computers..."
lolwut? How do I datum?

"Think of it as magic within the computers, and magic spirits called processes... and our magic language let's us cast spells..."

N3333333333333333RRRRDS!!!!

[Anonymous No.1802894]

>>1801722
We discovered how to invent transistors.

[Anonymous No.1802906]

>>1802885
That is true, as well!

It is moronic to argue which of a pair of deeply inter-connected fields is 'better' when all of humanity's greatest achievements are the fruits of the labor they performed as one. It would be the equivalent of an expert in metallurgy and aerodynamics arguing who conributed more to the plane.

[Anonymous No.1802909]

>a focus on Java. It's really interesting
gtfo or learn a real language like C++ and not basic 2.0/objective basic

[Anonymous No.1802916]

>>1802909
Your picture kind of gives you away

[Anonymous No.1802923]

>>1802906
Good/most circuits don't need to be programed and for those that do, every EE major can easily do for himself.

[Anonymous No.1802924]

Average growth rate for all careers in the united states: 10%
Projected job growth of Computer Science over the next decade: 25%
Projected job growth of Computer hardware engineering over the next decade: 4%

food for thought

[Anonymous No.1802926]

>Projected job growth of Computer hardware engineering over the next decade: 4%

implying all CE is hardware focus.

[Anonymous No.1802927]

>>1802909
Love me some pointer arithmetics, multiple inheritance and tedious memory management.

[Anonymous No.1802930]

[Anonymous No.1802935]

>>1802924

Good thing computer engineers can easily do the job of computer scientists.

[Anonymous No.1802941]

>>1802935
Then you would become the very thing you are trying to insult, making you look like a hypocrite and a fool

[Anonymous No.1802945]

>>1802927
>tedious memory management

why doesn't my computer do the all work for me. Why do I even need to program it. Can't someone program a computer to program itself and wipe my ass too. wah wah wah

[Anonymous No.1802951]

>>1802941

Did you get a grade of C or better in propositional logic

[Anonymous No.1802955]

>>1802945
Those all look like very nice cars (aside from Java, what the fuck is that thing). I'm personally learning C++ as my very first language to get me prepared for college, where I plan on majoring in Computer Science. What do you think of C++ as a beginner language?

[Anonymous No.1802966]

>>1802924
>Biomedical engineers are expected to have employment growth of 72 percent over the projections decade

[Anonymous No.1802969]

>>1802923
Yes, but in a very mechanical way - like a codemonkey rather than a programmer. It works, but it is far from being optimal or even good. A good programmer can make hardware do things the man who made it thought impossible.

The programmer is the coefficient to the circuit.

Do you truly think that all programmers do, you learned yourself as part of EE? Learning some commands and giving a sequence does not a programmer makes.

[Anonymous No.1802976]

>>1802969
>Do you truly think that all programmers do, you learned yourself as part of EE? Learning some commands and giving a sequence does not a programmer makes.

[Anonymous No.1802980]

>>1802955
Great, if you can program in C/C++ you can learn to program anything. Unlike Jave/Basic the will hopeless corrupt your thought making impossible to do real programing. Nearly everything in real life/industry is in C/C++ (with some assembly) anyway so you don't really need to learn must of anything else.

[Anonymous No.1802984]

>>1802980
Java is very nice for portability.

[Anonymous No.1802991]

>>1802980
Alright, thanks

[Anonymous No.1802992]

>>1801727
10 seconds with Google

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQLUPjefuWA

[Anonymous No.1803002]

>>1802969
Do you really think EE care whether their simple programs take 5ms or 5.1ms when making remote control circuit or an electric thermometer?

[Anonymous No.1803007]

Does anyone have the pic where it says What i expected, with computer science, then it is crossed out on what I got?

if you have the picture, you will know which one I'm talking about.

[No.1803011]

>>1802984
Java is nice for small apps that run like shit and hog memory and processor time on everything. I guess if you throw a 1ghz cpu in every phone you can make it work.

[Anonymous No.1803020]

>>1803002
Yes, because any sufficiently complex machine will constantly absorb and output data. If you make coffee machines then have fun I guess.

[Anonymous No.1803021]

>>1802980

I agree with this. Most students start out learning Java and become retarded when it comes to understanding memory, machine instructions, etc.

[Anonymous No.1803022]

>>1802980

YOUUUUUUUUU MOOOOOOOTHER FUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

HE'S FUCKING LYING TO YOUR SHIT

FORTRAN AND MATLAB RULE THE INDUSTRIAL WORLD

C++ IS GREAT TO KNOW FOR STUFF THAT DOESN'T INVOLVE MUCH COMPUTATION

BUT FORTRAN AND MATLAB ARE THE WAY TO GO IF YOU'RE GONNA DO ANYTHING WITH MATH

HE'S FUCKING LYING TO YOUR SHIT

But C++ is a good language to learn to start off with. It's pretty easy to pick up as well.

[Anonymous No.1803025]

>>1803002
Yeah but a good CS major can make linux run on that thermometer which the EE that made it didn't think was possible!

[Anonymous No.1803034]

>>1802861
You don't know a goddamn thing. And engineers don't actually do math. They apply math. They DO computation. That's different.

[Anonymous No.1803038]

>>1802980
That is the most retarded thing to say. C++ has inherited so many problems for keeping it compatible with C.

All the relevant concepts and more are available in modern languages like Java (or C# if you must)

Started programming in Z80 assembler, then 80xxxxx assemblers, C/C++. While nice at the time and somewhat important for learning then people do not have time for it now. Also optimizing mindset for CISC had to be unlearned for RISC and mindset of time where L1&L2 caches were scarce had to be unlearned for new times, when they are plentiful.

By now C++ holds only a small performance edge over Java and due to being restrictive for optimizing compilers of the future it will lose it too.

[Anonymous No.1803047]

>>1803011
This is absolutely bullshit. Java is widely used exactly in that area, if nowhere else.

Thanks to modern optimization techniques, after the first few run-tims, Java runs as fast as C++ if you write it natively.

...It is a fucking memory hog, however.

>>1803021
Happened to me, before I got hit over the head and learned better.

[Anonymous No.1803055]

>>1803034
yeah because everyone knows math isn't solving equation all day, it writing a bunch of them and stopping with question marks...

Q:P=NP
A:?
Math

Q:x^2 =-1
A:x=i,-i
Not math!

[Anonymous No.1803072]

>>1803055
Alright. You win. I mad.

>Pogroms ineete

[Anonymous No.1803069]

>>1803021
What's the problem with starting out with Java as a first language, exactly?

I heard multiple griefs, but for every person, there are almost 5 different reasons for why i should start out with something different.

I'm learning Java at this moment. I enjoy working with computers and from what I know that's not the language that's going to get murdered all that quickly. Should I start learning another (C/C++) to supplement?

>ready, jechaker
Captcha, hush.

[Anonymous No.1803077]

>>1802955
It's great. Last year I took 3 university courses on c++. "Programming methodology", "software components in c++" and "usage and programming of game engines".
I'm now studying CS and learning Java. Wich is easy as fuck when you know c++.

[Anonymous No.1803093]

>>1802955
You find all other languages very similar to C++ or wildly homosexual. All of them will be easy to learn regardless.

[Anonymous No.1803100]

ITT

[Anonymous No.1803131]

>learn brainfuck
>conquer worlds

[Anonymous No.1803140]

>>1803069
There are no problems. It takes 10 years for you to become good anyway so by that time C/C++ will be obsolete.

I'll state some things, that I believe make Java better than C/C++.

* Good development and debugging tools for accelerated learning. Due to its nature Java can offer better tools support.
* Avoided many mistakes of C by eliminating such things as pointer arithmetics, multiple inheritance or poor exception handling and poor support for multithreading.
* Support for redefining and proxying classes at runtime adding possibility to use modern OO concepts, that are impossible in C++
* Automated memory management. You don't need to waste your energy for tedious things, that computer should do automatically. You get your stuff done quicker and avoid hard to find bugs.
* Well designed standard library designed with multithreading in mind.

There are some pitfalls also. Only one I can remember right now (4:30am) is memory issues. When choosing a naive approach you might waste a lot of memory on stuff like tree structures etc... You need to learn how to overcome these.

[Anonymous No.1803159]

>>1803140
C and C++ are never becoming obsolete. Do not listen to this man.

However, he might be right that Java will gain more marketshare at C and C++'s expense.

I make 100k a year doing C++ and Java programming. I know what the hell I'm talking about.

[Professional C++ and Java Programmer No.1803168]

>>1802884
CS and programming is not math nor applied math, using any sensible interpretation of those words.

[Anonymous No.1803172]

>>1803093
Clearly you have never used Haskell or Lisp, both which are far superior to C++, and very different.

fibs = unfoldr (\(a,b) -> Just (a,(b,a+b))) (0,1)

The above defines a function that calculates fibonacci numbers. Let's see you do that in one line using C++.

[Professional C++ and Java Programmer No.1803173]

>>1802980
Lies. Java is quite popular as well for higher level stuffs.

[Anonymous No.1803174]

>>1803159

>make 100k a year

>be at home on 4chan on a saturday night

[Anonymous No.1803181]

>>1803159
Might have expressed myself wrong. Of course C will be around, but the computer world will be quite different in 10-15 years. I mean COBOL is still around and people make good money on it.

C++ needs to solve some of it's problems especially regarding parallel processing. Compilers still have room for improvement, but due to some old mistakes it is much harder to add some hardcore optimizations to the language.

[Professional C++ and Java Programmer No.1803193]

>>1803172
You have got to be kidding.

int fib(int n) { if (n == 0) return 1; if (n == 1) return 1; return fib(n-2) + fib(n-1); }

Now, if you want it so that it will execute efficiently, then we need something slightly more complex.

int fib(int n) { if (n == 0) return 1; if (n == 1) return 1; int a = 1; int b = 1; while (--n) { int c = a + b; a = b; b = c; } return b; }

Give or take an off by one error.

[Professional C++ and Java Programmer No.1803197]

>>1803181
Your JVMs, drivers, operating systems, etc., will still likely be written in C (or C++)

Likely, a decent portion of performance critical code will be written in C and C++.

[Anonymous No.1803206]

>>1803197

nope, JVMs will soon be written in Java

[Professional C++ and Java Programmer No.1803207]

>>1803206
Lolno

[Anonymous No.1803212]

>>1803206
wtfamireading

[Anonymous No.1803213]

>>1803206

[Anonymous No.1803214]

>>1803193
Is that how you write your C++ code? if so, ugh. Ofc. you can put everything in one line, what I meant was obviously one statement. See this quicksort algorithm in haskell, for instance
qsort [] = []
qsort (x:xs) = qsort (filter (< x) xs) ++ [x] ++ qsort (filter (>= x) xs)
Two statements, nothing more. Also, it sorts all sorts of objects (that < have a meaning for). C++ doesnt even have higher order functions.

[Professional C++ and Java Programmer No.1803218]

>>1803214
Say what you mean. Sure, you can write code shorter maybe. I don't want to get into a language pissing match, nor will I claim that C++ is necessary as good as or better than Haskell and Lisp.

[Anonymous No.1803228]

>>1803197
True. I was replying to an anon who has now deleted his post. He was asking about first programming language to learn. Much of my answer was to the 'first language' part.

I believe that it is much easier to learn programming concepts in Java as there are less ways to do a stupid fuckup, that a beginner might keep looking for several hours. Also some concepts, like Dynamic proxies etc.. are not available for C++.

It is good to learn C++ also, but it comes easier, when you are comfortable with programming in general, i.e off by one error somewhere does not overwrite your random variable in stack and continue, but throws an exception.

[Anonymous No.1803229]

>>1803214

int fib(int n) { return (n == 0 || n == 1) ? 1 : fib(n-2) + fib(n-1);}

[Anonymous No.1803237]

>>1803214
functional languages are pain to debug though

[Anonymous No.1803243]

>>1803218
I mean that high level functional languages have a lot more power than C++/Java. Sure, they might be harder to learn, but when you know them, you can do a lot more with them easier than in C++/Java. Ofcourse, in many cases their power isn't really needed, but I still think people should learn them, it changes the way you think about programming slightly.

[Professional C++ and Java Programmer No.1803246]

>>1803243
Agreed in large part.

[Anonymous No.1803391]

>>1803206

[Anonymous No.1803450]

i enjoyed this thread

[Anonymous No.1803462]

I fucking hate java.. Goddamn buggy as shit. My parent's computer god all sorts of viruses because of a bug in Sun's shitty interpreter. Fuck java. Python is million times better

[Anonymous No.1803470]

>>1803197
>Likely, a decent portion of performance critical code will be written in C and C++.

No, most code is in C/C++, the performance critical code is in raw assembly.

[Anonymous No.1803474]

>>1803462
yea well it's java, what do you expect? quality? AHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.1803480]

>FORTRAN AND MATLAB RULE THE INDUSTRIAL WORLD
>C++ IS GREAT TO KNOW FOR STUFF THAT DOESN'T INVOLVE MUCH COMPUTATION

Programing =///= Doing math/computation

[Anonymous No.1803488]

[Anonymous No.1803490]

who cares what language you use. Once you become an expert programmer you can learn (and forget them) easily.

[Professional C++ and Java Programmer No.1803492]

>>1803470
That's patently false. Actually, IIRC, some reliable study showed that, by lines of code, more code has been written for Visual Basic than any other programming language. That was like 5 years ago at least, so I don't know if that's still true.

Most code is not written in assembly. Only very small portions are written in assembly.

[Anonymous No.1803505]

>>1803492
that's what I said. performance critical =/= the whole program.